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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Michael Christ"
Date: 12 Nov 2003 04:30:27 PM
Object: You did not and do not create yourselves...3
This is about truth and deliverance...that is why I write.
From my recent visit to April last year on Google...
The evil spirit writes:

But you are required by God to be full of grace and mercy and love.

Can you see how its feet go down to hell?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Holy Spirit has come.
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My Sons are born of Me. They are My Spirit.
In them is no darkness at all.
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Only One Spirit loves...and loves indeed.
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User: "David Matthieu P.P."

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 12 Nov 2003 06:18:57 PM
"Michael Christ" <jesus_au@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7wysb.8720$aT.7280@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

This is about truth and deliverance...that is why I write.

From my recent visit to April last year on Google...

The evil spirit writes:

But you are required by God to be full of grace and mercy and love.



Can you see how its feet go down to hell?

The readers who are not familiar with alt.christnet.christianlife may not
understand, Michael is referring to the poster Griz who claimed that God
sent him to take control of this Christian Newsgroup as his personal
Ministry. For about two years now Griz is fighting to rule this Usenet
newsgroup alt.christnet.christianlife and is hoping to transform and use
this public forum as his Church and priavate Ministry. So Griz and a group
of his followers have been continually harassing, intimidating, and
insulting all other posters, pressuring them to leave and stop posting on
alt.christnet.christianlife. I pasted below a few posts that may help to
understand this peculiar situation which is presently developing on a public
unmoderated Usenet Newsgroup. I also pasted below a few samples out of over
a thousand incriminating posts from Griz threatening and harsassing unwanted
posters.
From: "Griz" <griz1@mail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ for this group?
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:33:13 -0400
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We don't know who originally started this NG; but it was dead for a
prolonged period of time when amidst prayers for a place to meet, this
community came to it and after a period of waiting and praying, set up this
ministry here. The current community here is the inheritor of this NG. In
2 years no human "originator" has showed up to lay claim to this group --
and if the originator is Christ Jesus, then I believe He has the right to
say what community lives here, ce n'est pas?

From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: For Enigma - a History of the New ACC
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:06:04 -0400
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2001 is when ACC was reborn. Before that I was testing the waters of
Christian Usenet and wondering why most of the groups were useless. ACC

had

languished after some great spiritual war for a number of months before God
led me here. FP was the only other "regular poster" for the months that I
watched ACC to make sure some other community or vision had not laid claim
to it. I was led to it after a heartfelt prayer about the generally sorry
state of affairs of most 'Christian' NG's and a question of "what can one
man do". One must be careful of questions like that asked before God!
"Salvage rights" were claimed and nobody stepped forward in a long time to
challenge that (actually, save for FP, there WAS nobody here) -- and after
that time the challenges only came from trolls who wanted to cut their

teeth

on a virgin group.

From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Curses of Christianity
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Have you really nothing original to say woz? Is this the extent of your
repetoir?

You have been asked to follow Christ's example and leave where you are not
welcomed. You refuse.

Get behind us.

Griz,
ACC

From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Surrender And Trust
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You have been officially asked to leave warren.
That you cannot follow Christ's example in this is to your own

condemnation.


Griz
ACC

From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: HOW TO TEST A TEACHER'S SPIRIT
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:09:48 -0400
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Donna, if your saviour is but a title to you - a word you trot out when
so-prompted. . .
then that is all your salvation will be.

Yours in Christ,

Griz

From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: What Would Jesus Do? (acc)
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Please leave Harold and Donna Kupp.
This is not your flock - you have already admitted that we are not the
"flock" but the "lost". And as you have been asked to leave, you have no
authority before God to remain here. Even Jesus Christ honoured a request
(even from the "lost") to depart. Why are you unable to? The "Great
Commission" does not give you license to contravene the example of Christ.

.
User: "Mike Bugal"

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 12 Nov 2003 09:20:12 PM
"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bouill$1iq9fb$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...
<snip>
This message was crossposted to alt.religion.christian.pentecostal (among many
others obviously). It caused me to go to alt.christnet.christianlife to see just
how accurate David's view of what is happening there is. David has a reputation
for taking Scripture out of context and bending reality to make both fit his
particular (and peculiar) views (primarily, it seems, that all
Charismatics/Pentecostals are going to hell). After reading scores of posts from
many of the regulars of that newsgroup I have to say that David is up to his
usual tricks. In short, he libels griz and the other folks on the newsgroup by
claiming that they seek to allow only those who agree with their views to remain
on the group... in fact the very FAQ posted on the newsgroup says just the
opposite. The fact is that they are only trying to encourage those who only wish
to beat the same old dead horses year after year after year to do so elsewhere.
Given that David's posting history on Google shows that he is indeed one of
those.
That some Christians would want a place where they can encourage one another
rather than engage in endless, mindless tirades against one another is a mortal
sin in the eyes of folks like David. Personally, I wish griz and the others all
the best and pray that they'll succeed in creating such a group... although
their chances for such would be better in a ".soc" moderated group. In any
event, I think I'll hang around and see how it goes. :)
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Chapel Ministries
http://www.heartlandchapel.org
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User: "David Matthieu P.P."

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 12 Nov 2003 09:46:21 PM
"Mike Bugal" <mbugalNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bouill$1iq9fb$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...

<snip>

This message was crossposted to alt.religion.christian.pentecostal (among

many

others obviously). It caused me to go to alt.christnet.christianlife to

see just

how accurate David's view of what is happening there is.

( By the way Mike is mad that I have been posting on many Christian
Newsgroups articles about the worship of demonic spirits in pentecostal and
Charismatic Churches, and also for showing scandalous videos of anointed
believers on four legs barking!)
Mike Bugal wants the readers to believe in just couple hours he investigated
two years of manipulation, intimidations and gave his Blessing to Griz to
perpetuate his harassment on innocent posters of ACC. Unfortunately for Mike
I personally witnessed all the manipulations of Griz who publicly posed as
the Owner and Moderator of a public unmoderated Usenet Newsgroup. Griz even
organized once a collect of funds on alt.christnet.christianlife, for the
readers who may not know: this is totally illegal! By manipulating the
facts Mike Bugal has surely tried to block the trruth from being revealed
and he has publicly gave his support to a group of individuals who are
engaged in illegal acttivities on Usenet. Unfotunately for Mike there are
thousands of posts that can be easily retrieved through Google proving the
collect of funds and the long process of misappropriation of this public
forum. Let us consider the Case of Woz.
Woz from Australia was among the first posters who detected that Griz was a
Fraud! Woz was young but he clearly understood the deceptive tactics of
Griz. The young Australian did not buy the phony discourse of Griz that God
sent him to take control of alt.christnet.christianlife. Woz made himself a
duty to regularly expose Griz and his Scams. He openly denounced the self
appointed "Originator", "Owner" and "Moderator" of the "New ACC" as an
Imposter. This was getting quite embarrassing for Griz who in the name of
Jesus repeatedly asked Woz to heave ACC. On the search engine Google there
are over one hundred recorded posts from Griz insulting this young poster
and
asking him to leave ACC. Conjointly, Griz, TBC and Fervent cooked up the
accusation that Woz in reprisals was sending Viruses to their mail boxes.
Finally the so called leader of the "New ACC" proclaimed that Woz also
posted couple counterfeited messages using his poster name "Griz". Under the
pretense that Woz was using his posting ID, Griz with the help of an
individual called Brian from the Australian Internet Service Provider
Omninet, managed to get the phone number of Woz parents and contacted them.
I pasted below a post by Griz when he deceitfully acquired the personal
information of the Poster Woz whose real name isWarren:
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Griz wrote:

Warren,
This has gone far enough.
I trust my friend Brian at Omninet has talked to you father about this
already; and there are other actions in the process. You have done a very
serious thing by committing ID fraud and it is something that could end up
on your permanent record. Police everywhere are really starting to crack
down on it. Most country's intelligence agencies take a very dim view of

it

and are just itching to act.
If you stop pestering this NG I will cease all other actions against you

and

you will not have the embarassment of having to explain all the hullabaloo
to your dad.

Griz

After the disgusting maneuver of Griz pestering an Australian Family,
blackmailing and threatening their young son to stop him from posting on
this public newsgroup, the Master Manipulator had more dirty tricks in his
repertoire. To definitely get rid of this young but determined poster, Griz
illegally posed as a federal policeman of Canada, and called Australia
threatening Warren with prosecution for fraud by "stealing" a posting
nickname.
To the readers who may not see yet the big picture why Griz would do
anything to force discerning posters to leave ACC and why he is claiming
this Newsgroup is a Church, I will simply say this: do not be surprised, one
day Griz shall surely try to collect the tithes of this so called Ministry!
For the readers who may be interested in learning more about Griz
blackmailing this poster, I posted below several relevant posts:
From: "And you wonder why Woz was so disillusioned with you."
<freely@tpg.com.au>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Loving your enemies Griz style?
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:20:52 +1000
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Tell me that this is not true Griz.
Woz reports to me that he was contacted by the federal police of
Canada threatening prosecution for fraud - stealing of a nickname.
Is that loving your enemies? Using the world and what it stands for
to get what you want? What does loving your enemies mean?
Does it mean when the going gets tough you toss it out the window?
And what of me, Griz? You accused me of false name posting.
Have I received an apology for that lie?
Should I be as you are and use the federal police of Australia to
complain to your ISP for the falsification levelled at me? Or should I
love my enemies?
You forget, Woz also took my name and misrepresented it too.
Should I be like you Griz? Should I walk in the acknowledgement that
the ways of man are Lord? Or, should I walk in the acknowledgement
that Jesus is Lord?
Michael Christ
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Curse of Woz
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:18:40 -0400
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Hi Mike Horn.
Woz is a spirit-troll who is under discipline of ACC. We all know he twists
Scripture and context to his own agenda, ranting and raving like a man
possessed. I know he makes himself a very easy target for even a 3rd year
Sunday School student, but I would ask you to refrain from engaging him on
his own level.
Any posts directed at him should use small words of no uncertaintly to
transmit the message that the spirit he represents is unwelcomed here, that
we reject him and his words, and encourage him to leave our shore.
Thanks
Griz
ACC
woz, what you represent is not welcomed here. We do not heed your words, we
do not accept you as a messenger of Truth.
The disciples were admonished to depart any house, city, or region where
their were not accepted and their words heeded, and even Jesus himself left
Gersenes when requested to.
Do you reject this message of Christ?
If so, leave.
If no, leave anyways. Your power here is broken.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Curses of Christianity
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:14:21 -0400
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Have you really nothing original to say woz? Is this the extent of your
repetoir?
You have been asked to follow Christ's example and leave where you are not
welcomed. You refuse.
Get behind us.
Griz,
ACC
The spirit-troll woz is under discipline from ACC. Please refrain from
posting to him no matter how he blusters and baits. Oh, and make sure your
virus definitions are up to date.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: R : Surrender And Trust
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You have been officially asked to leave warren.
That you cannot follow Christ's example in this is to your own condemnation.
Griz
ACC
The spirit-troll woz is under sanction from ACC.
Please refrain from replying to him no matter how he rage, bait, and
bluster.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Remember that love is the true spiritual warfare
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Jesus Christ himself left Gerasenes when so-requested.
That you are uable to follow He who's name you claim to post in is very
telling.
The spirit-troll woz is under discipline from ACC. Please refrain from
replying to his posts, I urge you by the meekness of Christ.
Let him rage as he will. He is but a clanging gong.
Griz
ACC
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Just about iving in Faith - if you have no good works it means
that everything you are will disappear - get to work
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Two witnesses will come forward and testify that within hours of woz's first
public rebuke, several viruses suddenly showed up in the inboxes of those
who were the strongest in their outcry against him in Christ's name.
The spirit-troll known as woz is under discipline from ACC. Please do not
reply to him no matter how he rages. He is an invisible man. Let our
silence and our solidarity in the unity of the Holy Spirit speak volumes
against woz.
Griz
ACC
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Re:Legion exposed - Fraud confesses then gets nasty coz it's
been seen for what it is
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The spirit you post for is no welcomed here woz.
Do the godly thing - follow Christ's example and leave where you are not
welcomed. If you would like, I could have a truck-load of dust delivered to
your front door so you can practice shaking it off your feet against ACC.
Griz
The spirit-troll woz is under sanction by ACC for numerous attrocities
apparently committed in Jesus name. Name-calling and rampant cross-posting
to garner support, along with ignoring Scriptural context or creating it at
his will to support his agenda, and spiritual bullying.
Please refrain from responding to his posts. He is as an invisible man.
Let him rage.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Peace
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:23:20 -0400
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The spirit-troll woz is under official sanction from ACC for twisting
Scriptures, trying to confuse with OT prophecy, saying that the Holy Spirit
was unable to protect the integrity of God's word from the demon-Paul,
calling names, cross-posting in an attempt to curry the favour of men
towards his agenda and to import contentions into groups speaking against
him, trying to use the suffering of those posting genuine spiritual
questions to advance his agenda for his greater glory, rejecting Godly
leadership, refusing Biblical correction from multiple sources, and the
appearance of sending multiple viruses to those who he could not subvert to
his agenda. (there are 2 witnesses to this, but he maintains his innocence
even in the face of the fact that all attacks originated from his corner of
cyber-space)
He is as a man invisible. Please refrain from posting to him no matter how
he blusters or rejects God's ultimate authority in his life. Make sure your
virus definitions are up-to-date.
Griz
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Prophecy Paradox - Bible Predicts First Century Christians saw
the Second Coming and so shall all.
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so be it - then I shall have to cut your coat tail as I have done to Saul.

So be it woz.
For acts of disrespect against the Holy Spirit, in the form of implying you
are able to correct the mistakes God made by including the books of Paul in
the Bible, you are under official sanction by ACC.
When given the opportunity to walk away clean, even as Jesus modelled for us
in Gerasenes, you refused.
You have also been accused of name-calling, abusing the posts of those who
write in for help by mocking to your own agenda's glory, and show a
condemning guilt manifest in your need to defend yourself with vile
name-calling whenever the incident of sending viruses in revenge is
mentioned. Aren't you fond of saying a witness of 2 is all that is required
against a man? Both fervent and I confirm that viruses were received
(several in my case), just hours after a major confrontation with you - all
originating from your corner of cyber-space.
Leave woz. The spirit you represent is not welcomed here. Your words are
as nothing.
I would call upon all those posting to ACC to treat woz as invisible. His
words are as weighty as hot air and we hear them not.
Griz
.
User: "Mike Bugal"

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 12:19:55 AM
"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bouuqg$1ict0v$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...


"Mike Bugal" <mbugalNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vr5n4dk7m0tq3e@corp.supernews.com...

"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bouill$1iq9fb$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...

<snip>

This message was crossposted to alt.religion.christian.pentecostal (among

many

others obviously). It caused me to go to alt.christnet.christianlife to

see just

how accurate David's view of what is happening there is.


( By the way Mike is mad that I have been posting on many Christian
Newsgroups articles about the worship of demonic spirits in pentecostal and
Charismatic Churches, and also for showing scandalous videos of anointed
believers on four legs barking!)

By the way, as I previously stated, David is a liar and perverts truth for his
own purposes. He knows full well that I am as much against such abuses as he
is... except I believe in withstanding such things with the truth rather than
twisting God's Word and telling lies. Others have also withstood David on his
lies and Scripture twisting... all to no avail.
Whatever the personal axe that he feels he must grind with griz he should take
it to e-mail rather than posting these things to a public forum and throwing
dung on the cross of Christ.
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Chapel Ministries
http://www.heartlandchapel.org


Mike Bugal wants the readers to believe in just couple hours he investigated
two years of manipulation, intimidations and gave his Blessing to Griz to
perpetuate his harassment on innocent posters of ACC. Unfortunately for Mike
I personally witnessed all the manipulations of Griz who publicly posed as
the Owner and Moderator of a public unmoderated Usenet Newsgroup. Griz even
organized once a collect of funds on alt.christnet.christianlife, for the
readers who may not know: this is totally illegal! By manipulating the
facts Mike Bugal has surely tried to block the trruth from being revealed
and he has publicly gave his support to a group of individuals who are
engaged in illegal acttivities on Usenet. Unfotunately for Mike there are
thousands of posts that can be easily retrieved through Google proving the
collect of funds and the long process of misappropriation of this public
forum. Let us consider the Case of Woz.

Woz from Australia was among the first posters who detected that Griz was a
Fraud! Woz was young but he clearly understood the deceptive tactics of
Griz. The young Australian did not buy the phony discourse of Griz that God
sent him to take control of alt.christnet.christianlife. Woz made himself a
duty to regularly expose Griz and his Scams. He openly denounced the self
appointed "Originator", "Owner" and "Moderator" of the "New ACC" as an
Imposter. This was getting quite embarrassing for Griz who in the name of
Jesus repeatedly asked Woz to heave ACC. On the search engine Google there
are over one hundred recorded posts from Griz insulting this young poster
and
asking him to leave ACC. Conjointly, Griz, TBC and Fervent cooked up the
accusation that Woz in reprisals was sending Viruses to their mail boxes.
Finally the so called leader of the "New ACC" proclaimed that Woz also
posted couple counterfeited messages using his poster name "Griz". Under the
pretense that Woz was using his posting ID, Griz with the help of an
individual called Brian from the Australian Internet Service Provider
Omninet, managed to get the phone number of Woz parents and contacted them.
I pasted below a post by Griz when he deceitfully acquired the personal
information of the Poster Woz whose real name isWarren:

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Griz wrote:

Warren,


This has gone far enough.
I trust my friend Brian at Omninet has talked to you father about this
already; and there are other actions in the process. You have done a very
serious thing by committing ID fraud and it is something that could end up
on your permanent record. Police everywhere are really starting to crack
down on it. Most country's intelligence agencies take a very dim view of

it

and are just itching to act.
If you stop pestering this NG I will cease all other actions against you

and

you will not have the embarassment of having to explain all the hullabaloo
to your dad.

Griz


After the disgusting maneuver of Griz pestering an Australian Family,
blackmailing and threatening their young son to stop him from posting on
this public newsgroup, the Master Manipulator had more dirty tricks in his
repertoire. To definitely get rid of this young but determined poster, Griz
illegally posed as a federal policeman of Canada, and called Australia
threatening Warren with prosecution for fraud by "stealing" a posting
nickname.

To the readers who may not see yet the big picture why Griz would do
anything to force discerning posters to leave ACC and why he is claiming
this Newsgroup is a Church, I will simply say this: do not be surprised, one
day Griz shall surely try to collect the tithes of this so called Ministry!

For the readers who may be interested in learning more about Griz
blackmailing this poster, I posted below several relevant posts:



From: "And you wonder why Woz was so disillusioned with you."
<freely@tpg.com.au>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Loving your enemies Griz style?
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Tell me that this is not true Griz.

Woz reports to me that he was contacted by the federal police of
Canada threatening prosecution for fraud - stealing of a nickname.

Is that loving your enemies? Using the world and what it stands for
to get what you want? What does loving your enemies mean?
Does it mean when the going gets tough you toss it out the window?

And what of me, Griz? You accused me of false name posting.

Have I received an apology for that lie?

Should I be as you are and use the federal police of Australia to
complain to your ISP for the falsification levelled at me? Or should I
love my enemies?

You forget, Woz also took my name and misrepresented it too.

Should I be like you Griz? Should I walk in the acknowledgement that
the ways of man are Lord? Or, should I walk in the acknowledgement
that Jesus is Lord?


Michael Christ


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Curse of Woz
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Hi Mike Horn.

Woz is a spirit-troll who is under discipline of ACC. We all know he twists
Scripture and context to his own agenda, ranting and raving like a man
possessed. I know he makes himself a very easy target for even a 3rd year
Sunday School student, but I would ask you to refrain from engaging him on
his own level.

Any posts directed at him should use small words of no uncertaintly to
transmit the message that the spirit he represents is unwelcomed here, that
we reject him and his words, and encourage him to leave our shore.

Thanks

Griz
ACC

woz, what you represent is not welcomed here. We do not heed your words, we
do not accept you as a messenger of Truth.
The disciples were admonished to depart any house, city, or region where
their were not accepted and their words heeded, and even Jesus himself left
Gersenes when requested to.
Do you reject this message of Christ?
If so, leave.
If no, leave anyways. Your power here is broken.


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: Curses of Christianity
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Have you really nothing original to say woz? Is this the extent of your
repetoir?

You have been asked to follow Christ's example and eave where you are not
welcomed. You refuse.

Get behind us.

Griz,
ACC

The spirit-troll woz is under discipline from ACC. Please refrain from
posting to him no matter how he blusters and baits. Oh, and make sure your
virus definitions are up to date.


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: Surrender And Trust
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You have been officially asked to leave warren.
That you cannot follow Christ's example in this is to your own condemnation.

Griz
ACC

The spirit-troll woz is under sanction from ACC.
Please refrain from replying to him no matter how he rage, bait, and
bluster.


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: Remember that love is the true spiritual warfare
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Jesus Christ himself left Gerasenes when so-requested.
That you are uable to follow He who's name you claim to post in is very
telling.

The spirit-troll woz is under discipline from ACC. Please refrain from
replying to his posts, I urge you by the meekness of Christ.
Let him rage as he will. He is but a clanging gong.

Griz
ACC


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Just about iving in Faith - if you have no good works it means
that everything you are will disappear - get to work
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Two witnesses will come forward and testify that within hours of woz's first
public rebuke, several viruses suddenly showed up in the inboxes of those
who were the strongest in their outcry against him in Christ's name.

The spirit-troll known as woz is under discipline from ACC. Please do not
reply to him no matter how he rages. He is an invisible man. Let our
silence and our solidarity in the unity of the Holy Spirit speak volumes
against woz.

Griz
ACC


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: Re:Legion exposed - Fraud confesses then gets nasty coz it's
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The spirit you post for is no welcomed here woz.
Do the godly thing - follow Christ's example and leave where you are not
welcomed. If you would like, I could have a truck-load of dust delivered to
your front door so you can practice shaking it off your feet against ACC.

Griz

The spirit-troll woz is under sanction by ACC for numerous attrocities
apparently committed in Jesus name. Name-calling and rampant cross-posting
to garner support, along with ignoring Scriptural context or creating it at
his will to support his agenda, and spiritual bullying.
Please refrain from responding to his posts. He is as an invisible man.
Let him rage.


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: Peace
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The spirit-troll woz is under official sanction from ACC for twisting
Scriptures, trying to confuse with OT prophecy, saying that the Holy Spirit
was unable to protect the integrity of God's word from the demon-Paul,
calling names, cross-posting in an attempt to curry the favour of men
towards his agenda and to import contentions into groups speaking against
him, trying to use the suffering of those posting genuine spiritual
questions to advance his agenda for his greater glory, rejecting Godly
leadership, refusing Biblical correction from multiple sources, and the
appearance of sending multiple viruses to those who he could not subvert to
his agenda. (there are 2 witnesses to this, but he maintains his innocence
even in the face of the fact that all attacks originated from his corner of
cyber-space)
He is as a man invisible. Please refrain from posting to him no matter how
he blusters or rejects God's ultimate authority in his life. Make sure your
virus definitions are up-to-date.

Griz


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Prophecy Paradox - Bible Predicts First Century Christians saw
the Second Coming and so shall all.
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so be it - then I shall have to cut your coat tail as I have done to Saul.


So be it woz.

For acts of disrespect against the Holy Spirit, in the form of implying you
are able to correct the mistakes God made by including the books of Paul in
the Bible, you are under official sanction by ACC.
When given the opportunity to walk away clean, even as Jesus modelled for us
in Gerasenes, you refused.
You have also been accused of name-calling, abusing the posts of those who
write in for help by mocking to your own agenda's glory, and show a
condemning guilt manifest in your need to defend yourself with vile
name-calling whenever the incident of sending viruses in revenge is
mentioned. Aren't you fond of saying a witness of 2 is all that is required
against a man? Both fervent and I confirm that viruses were received
(several in my case), just hours after a major confrontation with you - all
originating from your corner of cyber-space.
Leave woz. The spirit you represent is not welcomed here. Your words are
as nothing.

I would call upon all those posting to ACC to treat woz as invisible. His
words are as weighty as hot air and we hear them not.

Griz








.
User: "David Matthieu P.P."

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 08:24:23 AM
"Mike Bugal" <mbugalNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vr61lrc7cs2se6@corp.supernews.com...

By the way, as I previously stated, David is a liar and perverts truth for

his

own purposes. He knows full well that I am as much against such abuses as

he

is... except I believe in withstanding such things with the truth rather

than

twisting God's Word and telling lies. Others have also withstood David on

his

lies and Scripture twisting... all to no avail.

"And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.And his
tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the
earth"
Mike Bugal is accusing me because I posted that Satan is portrayed as a star
in the book of Revelation and was seen fallen on the earth with his angels.
Even though what I wrote is clearly written by Saint John himself in his
Apocalyptical vision, Mike Bugal claimed this could mean something else:
Rv:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the
earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Mike Bugal, B.A. Religious Studies Central Christian College of the Bible,
wrote the following concerning the third part of the stars of heaven falling
on the earth:
"There may be a 100 possibilities of what this event will turn out to be
(nuclear explosion, actual asteroid/meteor, etc.)... but David's is not one
of them."
So Mr. Mike Bugal who claims to have 30 years overall experience in
"Christian" Ministry, believes that the truth concerning the falling stars
could be a nuclear explosion or also 100 possibilities. Let suppose, like
Mike Bugal wrote, that "may be" the truth is among his 100 possibilities,
this certainly rates his interpretation of the Bible at a staggering 99% of
falsity. This so called "Christian" Minister wants to convince the readers,
based on his own interpretation of the Bible which he admits could be only
1% accurate, that I have a reputation for taking Scriptures out of context
and bending reality. Obviously Mike Bugal posted his replies with the clear
intent to deceive the readers, he wanted to portray me as a liar,
unfortunately by his own words he unequivocally proved that for 30 years he
himself has been twisting God's Word and telling a whole lot of lies.
During the discussion about the fallen stars, that Mike Bugal, the expert
with outstanding credentials, claimed to be a nuclear explosion, he was
joined by another poster "vince garcia:" who publicly stated he would be
glad if I was jailed. For revealing the practice of sorcery in Pentecostal
and Charismatic Chuches, I have made myself a lot of enemies. Some have
clearly called for my death, many would like to see me sued for posting the
Truth, others are wishing and praying that I become blind or fall extremely
ill, but among all my detractors Mike Bugal is the most sly, he wants to
make sure that he gives to the readers the impression that he is also
against these abuses I am exposing. However the truth is, if stoning was
permitted in our time, Mike Bugal would the first one to violently cast
stones at me.
Mike Bugal claimed I am obsessed and apparently have a sin depraved mind and
I should not have made public the information about Griz. So according to
Mike I should have contacted his Protege, and for re-posting to public
forums a sample of Griz posts I am throwing dung on the cross of Christ. For
two years I have confronted Griz while he was posting on
alt.christnet.christianlife thousands of posts harassing, insulting and
demeaning innocent posters, unfortunately until this day he kept pursuing
his reprehensible activities. Publicly now by "E-mails", Mike Bugal is now
blaming me after he himself carefully took the time to bless and cover the
Dung.
Christian Readers beware of Dung Blessing Ministries!
PS. Since Mike Bugal gave his blessing and approval to Griz for claiming
alt.christnet.christianlife, a public Usenet Newsgroup, as his Church and
private Ministry, I would not be surprised at all when the tithes are
collected if a percentange is sent to Mike Bugal for his good works:
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: A note of thanks to the regulars of ACC
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:44:11 -0400
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Hello everyone.
Many here will know that one of our own regular contributors is experiencing
some financial difficulties right now.
I would like to stand up and acknowledge with heartfelt thanks, those who
came forth to help out in an exercise of community that was unique, a wonder
to behold, and was used by God in a powerful way to bless the recipients of
such an outreach of love.
I would thank all who participated through their prayers for Doc and his
family -- for we all know that nothing is accomplished without prayer. That
was probably the most important part of the equation.
Let it be known that the regulars of ACC raise up over $119 and paid off in
it's entirely one of their utility bills and gave them some pocket-money for
emergencies. As a direct result of hearing about our actions to assist him,
a local came forth with another $92 to totally eradicate one of their other
bills. And this outflow of love may not yet be over!
My deepest personal and heart-felt thanks to those of you who participated
in this rather unusual venture. God has indeed blessed and multiplied the
actions of those who cheerfully stood up to help when they saw a need.
I would call the first exercise of the ACC "Hope Fund" a very great success.
I also wonder if it might be a unique occurance in the history of Christian
Usenet as well? I know that many of us anguish over the appearance that
these groups seem only good for fighting and contending -- but this week ACC
has proven that to be a mistaken assumption!
It is good for other things -- for demonstrating love and building hope and
showing that faith is not just something that we dress up in on Sundays, or
wear on our sleeves or pay service to with our lips.
May the many blessings of God abound to all -- and especially to those who
came together to make this wonderful exercise possible.
I now understand the blessings Paul talked about when he boasted in the Lord
about the faithfullness of the churches he had been used to plant for God's
greater glory.
May the eyes of the LORD and His Divine protection be upon ACC and all of
those who work to make it a holy and pleasing thing in His sight.
Lord, light the fire again and show us that our faith is not something we
fight and argue with, but something we live and demonstrate so that You
might be magnified and lifted up.
Yours prayerfully,
Craig
.
User: "David Matthieu P.P."

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 08:31:44 AM
"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp046r$1j9qp9$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...


Publicly now by "E-mails", Mike Bugal is now
blaming me after he himself carefully took the time to bless and cover the
Dung.

Correction to the above sentence:
Publicly now NOT by "E-mails", Mike Bugal is now blaming me after he himself
carefully took the time to bless and cover the Dung.
.

User: "twice-born child"

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 08:42:55 AM
"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[Snipped allot]

PS. Since Mike Bugal gave his blessing and approval to Griz for claiming
alt.christnet.christianlife, a public Usenet Newsgroup, as his Church and
private Ministry, I would not be surprised at all when the tithes are
collected if a percentange is sent to Mike Bugal for his good works:


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: A note of thanks to the regulars of ACC
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:44:11 -0400
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Hello everyone.

Many here will know that one of our own regular contributors is

experiencing

some financial difficulties right now.

I would like to stand up and acknowledge with heartfelt thanks, those who
came forth to help out in an exercise of community that was unique, a

wonder

to behold, and was used by God in a powerful way to bless the recipients

of

such an outreach of love.

I would thank all who participated through their prayers for Doc and his
family -- for we all know that nothing is accomplished without prayer.

That

was probably the most important part of the equation.

Let it be known that the regulars of ACC raise up over $119 and paid off

in

it's entirely one of their utility bills and gave them some pocket-money

for

emergencies. As a direct result of hearing about our actions to assist

him,

a local came forth with another $92 to totally eradicate one of their

other

bills. And this outflow of love may not yet be over!

My deepest personal and heart-felt thanks to those of you who participated
in this rather unusual venture. God has indeed blessed and multiplied the
actions of those who cheerfully stood up to help when they saw a need.
I would call the first exercise of the ACC "Hope Fund" a very great

success.


I also wonder if it might be a unique occurance in the history of

Christian

Usenet as well? I know that many of us anguish over the appearance that
these groups seem only good for fighting and contending -- but this week

ACC

has proven that to be a mistaken assumption!
It is good for other things -- for demonstrating love and building hope

and

showing that faith is not just something that we dress up in on Sundays,

or

wear on our sleeves or pay service to with our lips.

May the many blessings of God abound to all -- and especially to those who
came together to make this wonderful exercise possible.
I now understand the blessings Paul talked about when he boasted in the

Lord

about the faithfulness of the churches he had been used to plant for

God's

greater glory.

May the eyes of the LORD and His Divine protection be upon ACC and all of
those who work to make it a holy and pleasing thing in His sight.
Lord, light the fire again and show us that our faith is not something we
fight and argue with, but something we live and demonstrate so that You
might be magnified and lifted up.

Yours prayerfully,

Craig

TBC's response......
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and
glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(Matthew 5:16 KJV)
As far as I know at no time was ever any money solicited for this either on
our group, Acc, or by email, the gifts of love were given because of the
pressing needs of one of our regular posters who had suffered an heart
attack. Griz, took the gift to our brother in Christ himself. I don't know
how anyone could see this as anything but an act of love.
As part of our guideline we are not to crosspost to other news groups unless
lead by the Lord to do so but I wanted everyone to know that good things are
happening here at Alternative Christnet Christianlife.
We love you all,
Twice-born Child
~
~~
~~
~~~
~~~~~ {tbc}
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~ *BLESSED JESUS* ~~~~~
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
################################
You can email tbc
by removing
"Haniah nospam"
Be sure to place
an underscore
between the 3 and 18
zephaniah3_18@nospamfuse.net
################################
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment,
That we should believe on the name
of his Son Jesus Christ,
and love one another,
as he gave us commandment. [KJV]
################################
Please be careful when replying to these people,
they have shown themselves by their words to be outside our faith.
Be loving, be respectful, but be wary.
"David Matthieu P.P."
<johnrevelation@yahoo.com>
"Donna Kupp"
<dkupp@harborside.com>
"Harold Kupp"
<hkupp@harborside.com>
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
<Nospamever@.com.>
"Willie Martin"
<texan13@earthlink.net>
"YHVH"
<creator_of_the_multiverse@yahoo.com>
.
User: "Mike Bugal"

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 11:55:53 AM
"twice-born child" <zephaniah3_18nospam@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:3fb398d3$0$92699$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...


"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp046r$1j9qp9$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...

[Snipped allot]


PS. Since Mike Bugal gave his blessing and approval to Griz for claiming
alt.christnet.christianlife, a public Usenet Newsgroup, as his Church and
private Ministry, I would not be surprised at all when the tithes are
collected if a percentange is sent to Mike Bugal for his good works:


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: A note of thanks to the regulars of ACC
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:44:11 -0400
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Hello everyone.

Many here will know that one of our own regular contributors is

experiencing

some financial difficulties right now.

I would like to stand up and acknowledge with heartfelt thanks, those who
came forth to help out in an exercise of community that was unique, a

wonder

to behold, and was used by God in a powerful way to bless the recipients

of

such an outreach of love.

I would thank all who participated through their prayers for Doc and his
family -- for we all know that nothing is accomplished without prayer.

That

was probably the most important part of the equation.

Let it be known that the regulars of ACC raise up over $119 and paid off

in

it's entirely one of their utility bills and gave them some pocket-money

for

emergencies. As a direct result of hearing about our actions to assist

him,

a local came forth with another $92 to totally eradicate one of their

other

bills. And this outflow of love may not yet be over!

My deepest personal and heart-felt thanks to those of you who participated
in this rather unusual venture. God has indeed blessed and multiplied the
actions of those who cheerfully stood up to help when they saw a need.
I would call the first exercise of the ACC "Hope Fund" a very great

success.


I also wonder if it might be a unique occurance in the history of

Christian

Usenet as well? I know that many of us anguish over the appearance that
these groups seem only good for fighting and contending -- but this week

ACC

has proven that to be a mistaken assumption!
It is good for other things -- for demonstrating love and building hope

and

showing that faith is not just something that we dress up in on Sundays,

or

wear on our sleeves or pay service to with our lips.

May the many blessings of God abound to all -- and especially to those who
came together to make this wonderful exercise possible.
I now understand the blessings Paul talked about when he boasted in the

Lord

about the faithfulness of the churches he had been used to plant for

God's

greater glory.

May the eyes of the LORD and His Divine protection be upon ACC and all of
those who work to make it a holy and pleasing thing in His sight.
Lord, light the fire again and show us that our faith is not something we
fight and argue with, but something we live and demonstrate so that You
might be magnified and lifted up.

Yours prayerfully,

Craig


TBC's response......

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and
glorify your Father which is in heaven.

(Matthew 5:16 KJV)



As far as I know at no time was ever any money solicited for this either on
our group, Acc, or by email, the gifts of love were given because of the
pressing needs of one of our regular posters who had suffered an heart
attack. Griz, took the gift to our brother in Christ himself. I don't know
how anyone could see this as anything but an act of love.

"Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and
unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They
profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and
disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:15)
That's how!

As part of our guideline we are not to crosspost to other news groups unless
lead by the Lord to do so but I wanted everyone to know that good things are
happening here at Alternative Christnet Christianlife.

Thanks, tbc. After this I will trim the headers to only the two groups in which
I actually participate... and really try to just stick to the threads in this
newsgroup.


We love you all,

Twice-born Child

~
~~
~~
~~~
~~~~~ {tbc}
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~ *BLESSED JESUS* ~~~~~
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

################################

You can email tbc
by removing

"Haniah nospam"

Be sure to place
an underscore
between the 3 and 18

zephaniah3_18@nospamfuse.net


################################

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment,
That we should believe on the name
of his Son Jesus Christ,
and love one another,
as he gave us commandment. [KJV]

################################


Please be careful when replying to these people,
they have shown themselves by their words to be outside our faith.
Be loving, be respectful, but be wary.

I very rarely respond to these folks unless what they post is just so far wrong
that rebuttal must be made lest any be led astray by them.
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Chapel Ministries
http://www.heartlandchapel.org

"David Matthieu P.P."
<johnrevelation@yahoo.com>

"Donna Kupp"
<dkupp@harborside.com>

"Harold Kupp"
<hkupp@harborside.com>

"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
<Nospamever@.com.>

"Willie Martin"
<texan13@earthlink.net>

"YHVH"
<creator_of_the_multiverse@yahoo.com>
















.

User: "David Matthieu P.P."

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 12:48:37 PM
"twice-born child" <zephaniah3_18nospam@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:3fb398d3$0$92699$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...

Please be careful when replying to these people,
they have shown themselves by their words to be outside our faith.
Be loving, be respectful, but be wary.


"David Matthieu P.P."
<johnrevelation@yahoo.com>

"Donna Kupp"
<dkupp@harborside.com>

"Harold Kupp"
<hkupp@harborside.com>

"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
<Nospamever@.com.>

"Willie Martin"
<texan13@earthlink.net>

"YHVH"
<creator_of_the_multiverse@yahoo.com>

I am certain nobody had the slightest idea that this poster called TBC
carried for about two years a much longer hate list and asked other readers
to use their block sender list so they do not read the posters he loathed.
TBC is very unique Usenet Character, all posters should be aware of his
story that I pasted below:

From: "twice-born child" <zephaniah3_18nospam@fuse.net> Newsgroups:
alt.christnet.christianlife References:
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abuse@fuse.net

My favorite song, no doubt. It sounds something like a scene in a movie, I
was handcuffed and put in the back of a sheriff car and did not know where

I

was going till we pulled up in front of the hospital and I saw the sign. I
though I was being arrested for some trump up charge but then my worst

fears

came true, a psychiatric hospital. I had been awake for over a week

because

of fear. God had started talking to me in that still small voice and it
shock me up pretty good but then the devil chimed in and that was it for

me,

I couldn't go to sleep. Seven days later, wham, I was in the hospital. I

was

misdiagnosed as a mantic depressant and given anti psychotic drugs which
caused depression after the fear finally wore off. I was clinically

depress

for five months till I stopped taking the meds.

Please pray for TBC he had done drugs and alcohol for about 20 years. He was
recruited into witchcraft at twelve years of age. He studied occult sciences
and new age thought for 20 years. He practiced sorcery and magic daily for
over fifteen years. He believes he was set free from demonic possessions in
a church when he saw two large "ghostly looking" black things fly out from
his body and shot straight through the roof. While he was desperately trying
to break free from the occult, his parents decided to put him in a mental
institution. He believes that his parents made a mistake and told the
doctors some misinformation to have him committed in the mental hospital.
After twenty one days he escaped from the Mental Institution. He believes
that he worked a miracle in the Hospital and had all the patients, Nurses
and Doctors converted. Please pray for TBC that he may finally get the
proper cares that his state requires.
"twice-born child" <zephaniah3_18nospam@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:3f2b0342$0$74083$a04e5680@nnrp.fuse.net...


"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bget28$o4ud9$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...

Please pray for TBC he had done drugs and alcohol for about 20 years.


TBC> Correct!

He was
recruited into witchcraft at twelve years of age. He studied occult

sciences

and new age thought for 20 years. He practiced sorcery and magic daily

for

over fifteen years.


TBC> Correct again, oh hateful one.

He believes he was set free from demonic possessions in
a church when he saw two large "ghostly looking" black things fly out

from

his body and shot straight through the roof.


TBC> Yes, Praise God, Fifteen years ago next month. Your on a roll there
David, three in a row, that's more truth than you ever had occasion to

share

on usernet, I'm impressed, sincerely. Yes Jesus still set captives free.
Maybe you should read, "He came to set the captives free" by Dr. Rebecca
Brown.

While he was desperately trying
to break free from the occult, his parents decided to put him in a

mental

institution.


TBC> Small correction here, it was my family not my parents, Mom's in
Heaven. Thank you Jesus!!!

He believes that his parents made a mistake and told the doctors some
misinformation to have him committed in the mental hospital.


TBC> Yes and the drug screen test confirmed this....

After twenty
one days he walked out from the Mental Institution. He believes that he
worked a miracle in the Hospital....


TBC> No, all I did was pray for a woman who could not speak nor walk, she
was in a wheelchair.




and had all the patients, Nurses and
Doctors converted.



TBC> No, not all the doctors and nurses were converted but conviction

fell

on the whole hospital. I'm not the one who said it was a miracle when the
woman regain the use of her speech and could walk, that's what the doctor
in charge of the whole hospital said, and I quote,
"It's a miracle, It, is, a, miracle!"

Please pray for TBC that he may finally get the proper

cares that his state requires.


Yes, God is Mighty to save, Mighty to heal, and Mighty to deliver thru

Jesus

Christ my Lord. He is a faithful God and I've found him to be a help in
times of trouble.

David, what secret organization do you belong to?
I'm familiar with most of them, witch is yours?

~~~ {tbc}





"twice-born child" <zephaniah3_18nospam@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:3e998e76$0$60194$a04e5680@nnrp.fuse.net...

I can not go back to that
hospital for twenty one day after I was "thrown" into the hospital, I

was

"thrown out" of the state hospital in a attempt to restore order after

I

prayed for a woman and she regain the ability to both speak and walk.

This

prayer took place in front of both doctors and nurse and many patients

and

after the woman began walking and talking there was domino effect of

open

repentance with patients and staff. The overseer of the hospital felt

that

for the good of all that I should be released immediately.

.

User: "Barry OGrady"

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 08:04:02 PM
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:42:55 -0500, "twice-born child" <zephaniah3_18nospam@fuse.net> wrote:


"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp046r$1j9qp9$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...

[Snipped allot]

"Allot" means an allocation. What allocation did you snip?
-Barry
========
Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
.




User: "David Matthieu P.P."

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 12 Nov 2003 10:08:24 PM
Good Job Mike! For outstanding rendered services, you may get a fair
percentage on the next collect of funds organized by Griz on ACC.
I pasted below more posts from Griz the potege of Mike Bugal:
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: MODERN CHRISTIANITY IS A HOAX!
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:11:45 -0400
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The Lord rebuke you Donna Kupp; both you and the man who sold you this
false-gospel are twice-cursed before God.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: THE GREAT APOSTASY IS HERE -- IN ACC!
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 07:55:56 -0400
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
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If they are indeed a couple, Donna wears the pants and Harold is the
emotional one!
(And no, that is not a condemnation.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: ACC Posting Guidelines - Periodic Repost (THIS IS A PUBLIC
FORUM!)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:07:33 -0400
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Donna sez:

Whoa, yourself! This is a public newsgroup --and you
have no authority to reject anyone.

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and
disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Tit 3:10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
Tit 3:11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being
self-condemned.
We have authority from on High to reject a factious person Madame Kupp.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: HOW TO TEST A TEACHER'S SPIRIT
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:09:48 -0400
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Donna, if your saviour is but a title to you - a word you trot out when
so-prompted. . .
then that is all your salvation will be.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: What Would Jesus Do? (acc)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:26:59 -0400
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The Shepherd protects His flock by exposing and driving
away the wolves.

Exactly.
Please leave Harold and Donna Kupp.
This is not your flock - you have already admitted that we are not the
"flock" but the "lost". And as you have been asked to leave, you have no
authority before God to remain here. Even Jesus Christ honoured a request
(even from the "lost") to depart. Why are you unable to? The "Great
Commission" does not give you license to contravene the example of Christ.
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: THE GREAT LIE~OH DONNA I AM PISSED AT YOU!
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:37:51 -0500
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And the strongest statement the Kupps will make against themselves follows:
Harold and Donna Kupp.
What command did Jesus give to his disciples when they were sent out in His
name - on a ministry ordained by Him - when they confronted those who would
not listen to or heed their words? (Matt 10:14, Mar 6:11, and Luke 9:5).
Are you on a ministry ordained by Christ? Have we not rejected your words?
What is your only recourse?
What command did Jesus show that He Himself -- the Lord of all Creation --
was willing to follow in Mar 5:1-20? What is the only course a genuine
follower of Christ can take when asked to leave? Can a "ministry of Christ"
overshadow both a command and a practical demonstration from Christ?
You are officially asked to leave ACC. We as a group reject what you offer.
Let God stand in judgment on us for this.
It remains, will you disregard both the command AND the example of Christ
and remain when asked to leave?
Remember, a genuine ministry of Christ will not disobey the commandment AND
the example of Christ.
Any spirit that would, is anti-Christ.
Show us who you serve Kupps.
It is time to give it a rest; and it's not even the 7th.
Yours in service,
Griz
ACC
From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: To whom *it* may "concern"...
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According to the Bible:

Jesus Christ is Yahweh (God) of the Old Testament who
who was incarnated as a man, died on the cross, was ressurected,
and sits at the right hand of the Father.

HK

Then if Jesus Christ is Yahweh God, why can you not follow His command and
later example of leaving where He was not welcomed?
If God Himself could get up and depart Gerasenes, why can the mighty Kupps
not bring themselves to get up and depart a group that even their Messianic
Sabbatarian fellows agree that they should not even be associated with?
Pride is a wicked master.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
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User: "Mike Bugal"

Title: Re: You did not and do not create yourselves...3 13 Nov 2003 01:07:25 AM
"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bov03r$1isums$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...

Good Job Mike! For outstanding rendered services, you may get a fair
percentage on the next collect of funds organized by Griz on ACC.

I pasted below more posts from Griz the potege of Mike Bugal:

So now, in the obsessed and apparently sin depraved mind of David, Griz is my
"protege"... despite the fact that we have never met, never talked and never
even e-mailed one another (in fact, I don't think I have ever even responded to
one of Griz posts in other newsgroups)?? How pitiful!

From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: MODERN CHRISTIANITY IS A HOAX!
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The Lord rebuke you Donna Kupp; both you and the man who sold you this
false-gospel are twice-cursed before God.

So, Griz is out of line for standing up to folks who teach that we must keep the
Sabbath... and that those who don't are lost?
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp/ Does this mean that David believe the same
thing that Donna and Harold Kupp do?



From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: THE GREAT APOSTASY IS HERE -- IN ACC!
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If they are indeed a couple, Donna wears the pants and Harold is the
emotional one!
(And no, that is not a condemnation.

To what was this in response? In other words, why did David have to rip this out
of context? Did it not serve his purpose IN context? I realize that David does
it to God's Word... so why should he care about doing it to Griz?


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: ACC Posting Guidelines - Periodic Repost (THIS IS A PUBLIC
FORUM!)
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Donna sez:

Whoa, yourself! This is a public newsgroup --and you
have no authority to reject anyone.


Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and
disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Tit 3:10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
Tit 3:11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being
self-condemned.

We have authority from on High to reject a factious person Madame Kupp.

I'm not going to take the time to withstand each and every one of these foolish
snippings. Griz is rejecting a gospel that includes Sabbath keeping as a
requirement for salvation... and doesn't want this newsgroup bogged down with
theological arguments that have been done over and over and over again, ad
infinitum, ad nauseum, ever since Usenet was born. As I've pointed out, David is
one who does exactly that... and has for years. He consider mindless repetition
and perversion of truth "ministry".
Obviously, Griz and the others want to try to get the christianlife newsgroup as
a place where Christians can encourage and edify one another. Why is that so
offensive to David and the Kupps? Aren't there enough other newsgroups where
they can continue their decade long repetition and talking *at* people (rather
than *with* them) without alt.christnet.christianlife??
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Chapel Ministries
http://www.heartlandchapel.org


From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: HOW TO TEST A TEACHER'S SPIRIT
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Donna, if your saviour is but a title to you - a word you trot out when
so-prompted. . .
then that is all your salvation will be.

Yours in Christ,

Griz


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The Shepherd protects His flock by exposing and driving
away the wolves.


Exactly.
Please leave Harold and Donna Kupp.
This is not your flock - you have already admitted that we are not the
"flock" but the "lost". And as you have been asked to leave, you have no
authority before God to remain here. Even Jesus Christ honoured a request
(even from the "lost") to depart. Why are you unable to? The "Great
Commission" does not give you license to contravene the example of Christ.



From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: THE GREAT LIE~OH DONNA I AM PISSED AT YOU!
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And the strongest statement the Kupps will make against themselves follows:

Harold and Donna Kupp.
What command did Jesus give to his disciples when they were sent out in His
name - on a ministry ordained by Him - when they confronted those who would
not listen to or heed their words? (Matt 10:14, Mar 6:11, and Luke 9:5).
Are you on a ministry ordained by Christ? Have we not rejected your words?
What is your only recourse?
What command did Jesus show that He Himself -- the Lord of all Creation --
was willing to follow in Mar 5:1-20? What is the only course a genuine
follower of Christ can take when asked to leave? Can a "ministry of Christ"
overshadow both a command and a practical demonstration from Christ?

You are officially asked to leave ACC. We as a group reject what you offer.
Let God stand in judgment on us for this.

It remains, will you disregard both the command AND the example of Christ
and remain when asked to leave?
Remember, a genuine ministry of Christ will not disobey the commandment AND
the example of Christ.
Any spirit that would, is anti-Christ.

Show us who you serve Kupps.
It is time to give it a rest; and it's not even the 7th.

Yours in service,

Griz
ACC



From: "Griz" <griz@cois.on.ca>
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According to the Bible:

Jesus Christ is Yahweh (God) of the Old Testament who
who was incarnated as a man, died on the cross, was ressurected,
and sits at the right hand of the Father.

HK


Then if Jesus Christ is Yahweh God, why can you not follow His command and
later example of leaving where He was not welcomed?

If God Himself could get up and depart Gerasenes, why can the mighty Kupps
not bring themselves to get up and depart a group that even their Messianic
Sabbatarian fellows agree that they should not even be associated with?

Pride is a wicked master.

Yours in Christ,

Griz





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