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"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
Hello!
I hope you had a great week and weekend.
This is devotional number 400. I'm thankful to God that we have come this
far! We've been sending our devotional messages for 7 1/2 years, now. I
pray that you have been blessed. Thanks for letting us enter your email box
twice a week.
We just put over 100 pictures of animals on the internet! Last week, I went
to the Wild Animal Park and took lots and lots of digital pictures. If
you'd like to see them, then go here: http://jcsm.org/WildAnimalPark/.
In case you didn't read our midweek message, we extended our pre-order
period for Maximizing the Internet: 12 Keys to Success (ISBN:
0-9732797-6-1). We are going to give a 10% discount up until March 14 and
the book will be released on March 15. See
http://jcsm.org/MaximizingtheInternet/ for details!
Last week, I saw a doctor about my shoulder and she diagnosed my problem as
tendonitis. I still have full strength, so that's great. I don't need a
cortisone shot and I'm going to attend two physical therapy sessions, so I
can discover how to help it recover on its own. Please pray that the
inflammation goes away and that it fully recovers. It did well after I
began taking some Ibuprofen.
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Welcome to the new readers of this message! Here is your Devotion, A Moment
of Introspection, JCSM's Challenge, the Word of the Week, a faith-builder
from "The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained," and the
Quotes of the Week. Have a fantastic week and God bless you!
Love in Christ,
Dr. Jason Gastrich
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JCSM's Weekly Devotions (click http://ada.jcsm.org to listen!)
"Your Thought Life"
Isaiah 55:8, 9 "'For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways
My ways,' says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So
are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts."
Romans 12:1,2 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God,
which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world,
but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is
that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."
2 Corinthians 10:5 ". . . (bring) every thought into captivity to the
obedience of Christ."
Revelation 2:23 ". . . I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I
will give to each one of you according to your works."
Insight: God cares about our thoughts. He wants us to have pure thoughts.
He knows what we are thinking, so have good intentions. God will reward the
thoughts that we put into action if they are obedient to Him.
Prayer: "Dear Lord, bless us. Thank you for loving us more than we deserve
and more than we even understand. Help us to take every thought captive.
Turn our minds toward You. Forgive us for our sins. Purify us. Thank you
for your faithfulness. Remind us that You are near and ready to help us
whenever we need You. Thank you for Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the
cross for our sins. Thank you for His perfect life and how it can teach us
so much. Praise You for your awesome Word. In Jesus' name, Amen."
America's Foundation
One of our computers just went down, so there won't be a quote for this
section this week. However, if you'd like to read past quotes from
America's founders and framers, then please go to http://michaelnewdow.com.
A Moment of Introspection
Have you ever stopped to think that God knows your thoughts? Let this
knowledge be encouraging to you and keep your mind on pure things that love
God and others.
JCSM's Challenge
Do something to bless someone you don't know. Here is one way you could do
this. Bring a snack in your car and give it to a homeless person.
In my city, homeless people hold signs and stand by the road. It's very
easy to hand them a granola bar and even a Bible.
God bless you as you meet this week's challenge!
Word of the Week
makh-ash-awbaw (Hebrew, see Isaiah 55:9): (abstractly) intention, plan, a
plot, thought
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained
"The Skeptic's Annotated Bible" claims:
Genesis 21:32 - "And they returned to the land of the Philistines." But the
Philistines didn't arrive in the region of Canaan until around 1200 BCE --
800 years after Abraham's supposed migration from Ur.
"The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained" responds:
There are no scriptures to support this alternative interpretation or
alleged inaccuracy. As far as I can tell, you're considering modern science
to be correct on dating the Philistines to this region circa 1200 B.C.
Therefore, your error is apparently not a biblical one (this time), but a
scientific one.
(This explanation came from "The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and
Explained", by Jason Gastrich. This book is on CD and explains over 3,000
difficulties regarding the entire Bible at
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.org. There is also a 300 question
workbook that accompanies the CD-ROM.)
Quotes of the Week
Prepare to give an answer for your hope to believers and unbelievers.
Begin praying against the evil one.
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
* Go to http://jcsm.org/Devos/Devos400.htm to read these online in
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Whoopee!
"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
< snip >
In case you didn't read our midweek message, we extended our
pre-order
period for Maximizing the Internet: 12 Keys to Success (ISBN:
0-9732797-6-1). We are going to give a 10% discount up until March
14 and
the book will be released on March 15. See
http://jcsm.org/MaximizingtheInternet/ for details!
Jason, I'm curious.
Now, you say that this book was written, in part, because you created
this "successful" method back in 1997, when you started JCSM online
with, what was it? Just one page and one person on your email list?
And so on and so on and so on?
But you went bankrupt in 1999.
And as recently as late last year, you were telling others and, I
think, including in some of your fasting prayers that your income is
not that great. I got the impression that it was pretty low, actually,
from what you were saying.
After all, you needed God to repair your CD-recorder - which you claim
he did - and keep your car running, in between the jokes he told you, I
guess.
You refused to send Lenny Flank a form 990 last year when he requested
it - as anyone has a right to do in situations such as this - yet the
only reason you can refuse is if your ministry income levels are well
below what most of us would consider "successful."
So tell me, Jason, just so potential customers can get an idea, what is
your definition of "success?"
What, for example, did your web sites bring in in income last year and
from what sources?
You don't have to be specific or give away any of the details - just
some round figures and maybe a general idea.
Last week, I saw a doctor about my shoulder and she diagnosed my
problem as
tendonitis. I still have full strength, so that's great. I don't
need a
cortisone shot and I'm going to attend two physical therapy sessions,
so I
can discover how to help it recover on its own. Please pray that the
inflammation goes away and that it fully recovers. It did well after
I
began taking some Ibuprofen.
But if the ibuprofen is working, why waste God's time with it?
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The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained
"The Skeptic's Annotated Bible" claims:
Genesis 21:32 - "And they returned to the land of the Philistines."
But the
Philistines didn't arrive in the region of Canaan until around 1200
BCE --
800 years after Abraham's supposed migration from Ur.
"The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained" responds:
There are no scriptures to support this alternative interpretation or
alleged inaccuracy. As far as I can tell, you're considering modern
science
to be correct on dating the Philistines to this region circa 1200
B.C.
Therefore, your error is apparently not a biblical one (this time),
but a
scientific one.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, Jason.
So let me see if I understand your argument correctly.
Historical science has determined a problem here, and you simply ASSUME
that it's wrong?
Do you have any EVIDENCE that it's wrong?
No?
Well, then, you're assuming your conclusion, aren't you, that is, that
the Bible is right and that if there is a disagreement, it must be that
science is in error?
There is an error, and it's a "scientific one?"
THAT'S your "correction?"
Jason, people who already agree with you that the Bible is inerrant
might buy that. Certainly they will do so without giving it any
thought.
But I thought you said your e-book - a "masterpiece," as you called it
- was a great tool to answer skeptics.
Let's take a poll. Any skeptics buying this "correction?"
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07 Mar 2005 06:02:29 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Almost nothing except for where he asks for money.
The rest seems to be cut and paste from other sources.
A far cry from what other call weekly devotion.
But most don't want the attention on themselves.
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07 Mar 2005 02:08:11 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:26 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
Hello!
I hope you had a great week and weekend.
This is devotional number 400. I'm thankful to God that we have come this
far! We've been sending our devotional messages for 7 1/2 years, now. I
pray that you have been blessed. Thanks for letting us enter your email box
twice a week.
We just put over 100 pictures of animals on the internet! Last week, I went
to the Wild Animal Park and took lots and lots of digital pictures. If
you'd like to see them, then go here: http://jcs...sniiip
<Snip>
I was just wondering. I mean, I wouldn't want "Dr." Jason to get into
any trouble.
According to their website, they require full written consent to use
images taken at the park. It doesn't *say* on "Dr." Jason's site that
he's received expressed written consent or has entered into a
licensing agreement.
Oh well, I guess I'll just notify the appropriate people at the
zoo...just in case, I'm sure they'll know. It's hard to believe that
they would allow use of images from their fine park to promote "Dr."
Jason's books, cds, phone cards... especially if they don't get a
piece of the pie.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Does "Dr." Gasterich have written permission to use images he took at the Wild Animal Park? Was: Re: Your Thought Life - #400 - JCSM's Weekly Devotions |
07 Mar 2005 04:14:43 PM |
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<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:paap21tq0i1395bmlfd32h4dnhmkn88o8l@4ax.com...
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:26 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
Hello!
I hope you had a great week and weekend.
This is devotional number 400. I'm thankful to God that we have come this
far! We've been sending our devotional messages for 7 1/2 years, now. I
pray that you have been blessed. Thanks for letting us enter your email
box
twice a week.
We just put over 100 pictures of animals on the internet! Last week, I
went
to the Wild Animal Park and took lots and lots of digital pictures. If
you'd like to see them, then go here: http://jcs...sniiip
<Snip>
I was just wondering. I mean, I wouldn't want "Dr." Jason to get into
any trouble.
According to their website, they require full written consent to use
images taken at the park. It doesn't *say* on "Dr." Jason's site that
he's received expressed written consent or has entered into a
licensing agreement.
Oh well, I guess I'll just notify the appropriate people at the
zoo...just in case, I'm sure they'll know. It's hard to believe that
they would allow use of images from their fine park to promote "Dr."
Jason's books, cds, phone cards... especially if they don't get a
piece of the pie.
The Park people can't legally do that. If they allow cameras at the park
and a patron brings their own camera and their own film, it's their pictures
and they own the copyrights regardless of what the web site says.
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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08 Mar 2005 07:49:41 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:14:43 -0600 in free.christians, Bill Gamelson
("Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:paap21tq0i1395bmlfd32h4dnhmkn88o8l@4ax.com...
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:26 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
Hello!
I hope you had a great week and weekend.
This is devotional number 400. I'm thankful to God that we have come this
far! We've been sending our devotional messages for 7 1/2 years, now. I
pray that you have been blessed. Thanks for letting us enter your email
box
twice a week.
We just put over 100 pictures of animals on the internet! Last week, I
went
to the Wild Animal Park and took lots and lots of digital pictures. If
you'd like to see them, then go here: http://jcs...sniiip
<Snip>
I was just wondering. I mean, I wouldn't want "Dr." Jason to get into
any trouble.
According to their website, they require full written consent to use
images taken at the park. It doesn't *say* on "Dr." Jason's site that
he's received expressed written consent or has entered into a
licensing agreement.
Oh well, I guess I'll just notify the appropriate people at the
zoo...just in case, I'm sure they'll know. It's hard to believe that
they would allow use of images from their fine park to promote "Dr."
Jason's books, cds, phone cards... especially if they don't get a
piece of the pie.
The Park people can't legally do that. If they allow cameras at the park
and a patron brings their own camera and their own film, it's their pictures
and they own the copyrights regardless of what the web site says.
Are you sure about that?
After all the zoo is private property, and by buying a ticket you're
de-facto consenting to the terms and conditions of entrance which may
entail conditions as regards commercial use of images taken there.
That said, if that's the case, to my mind, the main point at issue in
any lawsuit would be "do paid-for ads on the same page as the photos
constitute commercial use"?
Personally, I'd be inclined to think "yes," but other opinions may
differ: one imagines it'd be a long, complex and expensive lawsuit if
it ever came to it.
And that said, unless the zoo wanted to make a point, in the way that
the film and music industry has picked a few people to make examples
of "pour encourager les autres," they're very unlikely to do anything
about it. Or at least nothing more than a threatening letter from
their lawyer.
If prompted enough:
Something along the lines of "I've seen pictures from your zoo on
[Jason ref]. I presume that making commercial use of photos [specify
commercial interest] taken at the zoo is not a problem and requires no
permission" one imagines.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." - Attrib: Pauline Reage.
! Sell your video over the Internet. Demo? http://www.video2cd.co.uk/sctrl/asx/demo.wvx
Even Jason could make money with this one! ** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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08 Mar 2005 04:01:27 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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Are you sure about that?
After all the zoo is private property, and by buying a ticket you're
de-facto consenting to the terms and conditions of entrance which may
entail conditions as regards commercial use of images taken there.
An agreement has to be made in writing and signed. The words "this ticket
constitutes an agreement" does not hold water as a patron has already bought
the ticket and was not given the opportunity to agree or even read the
agreement before purchasing the ticket. It is the equivelant of forcing a
contract on someone which is unconstitutional as hell. Also, these words
are most often so small that the average person needs a magnifying glass to
read it anyway. Then there's the factor of illiteracy and non English
people etc.
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www.globalnetministries.com
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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09 Mar 2005 07:55:37 PM |
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In article <YgpXd.4730$ju.127@okepread07>, Bill Gamelson
<bgamelson@cox.net> declared...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:00ar21ta9tfrq62lkae31j89iidpba24n1@4ax.com...
Are you sure about that?
After all the zoo is private property, and by buying a ticket you're
de-facto consenting to the terms and conditions of entrance which may
entail conditions as regards commercial use of images taken there.
An agreement has to be made in writing and signed.
This is totally untrue. The vast majority of contracts are not in
writing. Still, they are completely enforceable in court. (To the
best of my knowledge, the only exception is that contracts
involving real estate must be in writing to be enforceable. Also,
my comments only apply to contracts that are enforceable
otherwise.)
The words "this ticket
constitutes an agreement" does not hold water as a patron has already bought
the ticket and was not given the opportunity to agree or even read the
agreement before purchasing the ticket.
Again untrue. Courts have written that software user license
agreements are enforceable, even though the user often cannot see
them until after he's bought the product. Personally, I think
that's stupid, but none of the judges ever bothered to ask my
opinion.
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Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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08 Mar 2005 01:27:17 PM |
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Therion Ware let us taste his wares:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:14:43 -0600 in free.christians, Bill Gamelson
("Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:paap21tq0i1395bmlfd32h4dnhmkn88o8l@4ax.com...
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:26 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
Hello!
I hope you had a great week and weekend.
This is devotional number 400. I'm thankful to God that we have come
this
far! We've been sending our devotional messages for 7 1/2 years, now.
I
pray that you have been blessed. Thanks for letting us enter your
email
box
twice a week.
We just put over 100 pictures of animals on the internet! Last week, I
went
to the Wild Animal Park and took lots and lots of digital pictures. If
you'd like to see them, then go here: http://jcs...sniiip
<Snip>
I was just wondering. I mean, I wouldn't want "Dr." Jason to get into
any trouble.
According to their website, they require full written consent to use
images taken at the park. It doesn't *say* on "Dr." Jason's site that
he's received expressed written consent or has entered into a
licensing agreement.
Oh well, I guess I'll just notify the appropriate people at the
zoo...just in case, I'm sure they'll know. It's hard to believe that
they would allow use of images from their fine park to promote "Dr."
Jason's books, cds, phone cards... especially if they don't get a
piece of the pie.
The Park people can't legally do that. If they allow cameras at the park
and a patron brings their own camera and their own film, it's their
pictures
and they own the copyrights regardless of what the web site says.
Are you sure about that?
After all the zoo is private property, and by buying a ticket you're
de-facto consenting to the terms and conditions of entrance which may
entail conditions as regards commercial use of images taken there.
That said, if that's the case, to my mind, the main point at issue in
any lawsuit would be "do paid-for ads on the same page as the photos
constitute commercial use"?
Personally, I'd be inclined to think "yes," but other opinions may
differ: one imagines it'd be a long, complex and expensive lawsuit if
it ever came to it.
And that said, unless the zoo wanted to make a point, in the way that
the film and music industry has picked a few people to make examples
of "pour encourager les autres," they're very unlikely to do anything
about it. Or at least nothing more than a threatening letter from
their lawyer.
If prompted enough:
Something along the lines of "I've seen pictures from your zoo on
[Jason ref]. I presume that making commercial use of photos [specify
commercial interest] taken at the zoo is not a problem and requires no
permission" one imagines.
That zoo does valuable conservation work and bullying them into making moves
that will reduce their gate fees when people stop going there for fear of
getting sued when they take photos is not helping the planet.
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:14:43 -0600, "Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net>
wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:paap21tq0i1395bmlfd32h4dnhmkn88o8l@4ax.com...
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:26 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
Hello!
I hope you had a great week and weekend.
This is devotional number 400. I'm thankful to God that we have come this
far! We've been sending our devotional messages for 7 1/2 years, now. I
pray that you have been blessed. Thanks for letting us enter your email
box
twice a week.
We just put over 100 pictures of animals on the internet! Last week, I
went
to the Wild Animal Park and took lots and lots of digital pictures. If
you'd like to see them, then go here: http://jcs...sniiip
<Snip>
I was just wondering. I mean, I wouldn't want "Dr." Jason to get into
any trouble.
According to their website, they require full written consent to use
images taken at the park. It doesn't *say* on "Dr." Jason's site that
he's received expressed written consent or has entered into a
licensing agreement.
Oh well, I guess I'll just notify the appropriate people at the
zoo...just in case, I'm sure they'll know. It's hard to believe that
they would allow use of images from their fine park to promote "Dr."
Jason's books, cds, phone cards... especially if they don't get a
piece of the pie.
The Park people can't legally do that. If they allow cameras at the park
and a patron brings their own camera and their own film, it's their pictures
and they own the copyrights regardless of what the web site says.
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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07 Mar 2005 05:45:25 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:19:25 -0600,
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:14:43 -0600, "Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net>
wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:paap21tq0i1395bmlfd32h4dnhmkn88o8l@4ax.com...
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:14:26 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Your Thought Life" - #400
JCSM's Weekly Devotions
March 7, 2005
Hello!
I hope you had a great week and weekend.
This is devotional number 400. I'm thankful to God that we have come this
far! We've been sending our devotional messages for 7 1/2 years, now. I
pray that you have been blessed. Thanks for letting us enter your email
box
twice a week.
We just put over 100 pictures of animals on the internet! Last week, I
went
to the Wild Animal Park and took lots and lots of digital pictures. If
you'd like to see them, then go here: http://jcs...sniiip
<Snip>
I was just wondering. I mean, I wouldn't want "Dr." Jason to get into
any trouble.
According to their website, they require full written consent to use
images taken at the park. It doesn't *say* on "Dr." Jason's site that
he's received expressed written consent or has entered into a
licensing agreement.
Oh well, I guess I'll just notify the appropriate people at the
zoo...just in case, I'm sure they'll know. It's hard to believe that
they would allow use of images from their fine park to promote "Dr."
Jason's books, cds, phone cards... especially if they don't get a
piece of the pie.
The Park people can't legally do that. If they allow cameras at the park
and a patron brings their own camera and their own film, it's their pictures
and they own the copyrights regardless of what the web site says.
Sorry, itchy send button finger.
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the tickets
and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you just can't
use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your house, show
them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to lure customers to
your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm sure they have a
legal department that tells them what they can and cannot do. They
might even know more about the issue than you do. (I know that might
be difficult to believe.)
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07 Mar 2005 06:16:42 PM |
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<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the tickets
and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you just can't
use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your house, show
them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to lure customers to
your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm sure they have a
legal department that tells them what they can and cannot do. They
might even know more about the issue than you do. (I know that might
be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron uses
their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally control what
they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only way they can control
that is if they did not allow cameras, therefore the photos you take will
not legally be yours and you cannot claim copyrights. They could say
anything they want on their website or their tickets but they cannot get
around copyright laws. I know what I'm talking about.
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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| User: "David Sienkiewicz" |
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| Title: Re: Does "Dr." Gasterich have written permission to use images he took at the Wild Animal Park? Was: Re: Your Thought Life - #400 - JCSM's Weekly Devotions |
07 Mar 2005 07:31:13 PM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets
and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you just
can't
use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your house, show
them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to lure customers
to
your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm sure they have a
legal department that tells them what they can and cannot do. They
might even know more about the issue than you do. (I know that
might
be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may
be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron
uses
their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally control
what
they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only way they can
control
that is if they did not allow cameras, therefore the photos you take
will
not legally be yours and you cannot claim copyrights. They could say
anything they want on their website or their tickets but they cannot
get
around copyright laws. I know what I'm talking about.
Which copyright laws are they trying to get around?
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07 Mar 2005 09:58:59 PM |
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On 7 Mar 2005 17:31:13 -0800, "David Sienkiewicz"
<hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets
and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you just
can't
use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your house, show
them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to lure customers
to
your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm sure they have a
legal department that tells them what they can and cannot do. They
might even know more about the issue than you do. (I know that
might
be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may
be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron
uses
their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally control
what
they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only way they can
control
that is if they did not allow cameras, therefore the photos you take
will
not legally be yours and you cannot claim copyrights. They could say
anything they want on their website or their tickets but they cannot
get
around copyright laws. I know what I'm talking about.
Which copyright laws are they trying to get around?
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not use
them for commercial endeavors. Even if it were, in public spaces, in
California at least, that would require a permit in advance, and
possibly a fee, depending on the locale. In this case it is not even
public land. If the photographer cannot agree with the terms before
entering the park...leave the camera in the car. Mmmmkay.
(Bill, how long have you practiced law? In California? Apparently,
Sacramento disagrees with you.)
There have been others but I found this page, pretty much, first.
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/photo-permits/
Obviously, private property, photographed from within said private
property would enjoy even greater protection.
Google away.
They would not be attempting to enforce a copyright, they are simply
stating that you cannot profit from images of their property without
stating your intent, in advance, and of course cutting them in. Stop
trying to work that angle, it's making you look even more foolish.
Why are some Christians always looking for legal loopholes? You would
think that they would *want* to do the right thing. Maybe it comes
from their biblical studies. Pick and choose what they agree with.
Maybe their god won't notice. "Screw Jesus, I'll do what *I* want to
do."...huh?
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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08 Mar 2005 05:53:53 AM |
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<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h17q215f8fa1skcqo5d1mu6knbdhj3sq2l@4ax.com...
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not use
them for commercial endeavors. Even if it were, in public spaces, in
California at least, that would require a permit in advance, and
possibly a fee, depending on the locale. In this case it is not even
public land. If the photographer cannot agree with the terms before
entering the park...leave the camera in the car.
Cite this said law.
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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08 Mar 2005 06:04:27 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:tngXd.4621$ju.819@okepread07...
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h17q215f8fa1skcqo5d1mu6knbdhj3sq2l@4ax.com...
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not use
them for commercial endeavors. Even if it were, in public spaces, in
California at least, that would require a permit in advance, and
possibly a fee, depending on the locale. In this case it is not even
public land. If the photographer cannot agree with the terms before
entering the park...leave the camera in the car.
Cite this said law.
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Does "Dr." Gasterich have written permission to use images he took at the Wild Animal Park? Was: Re: Your Thought Life - #400 - JCSM's Weekly Devotions |
08 Mar 2005 06:05:41 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:nxgXd.4624$ju.3812@okepread07...
"Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:tngXd.4621$ju.819@okepread07...
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h17q215f8fa1skcqo5d1mu6knbdhj3sq2l@4ax.com...
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not use
them for commercial endeavors.
Do you know what the word "commercial" means?
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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| User: "David Sienkiewicz" |
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| Title: Re: Does "Dr." Gasterich have written permission to use images he took at the Wild Animal Park? Was: Re: Your Thought Life - #400 - JCSM's Weekly Devotions |
08 Mar 2005 06:08:53 AM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:nxgXd.4624$ju.3812@okepread07...
"Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:tngXd.4621$ju.819@okepread07...
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h17q215f8fa1skcqo5d1mu6knbdhj3sq2l@4ax.com...
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not
public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not
use
them for commercial endeavors.
Do you know what the word "commercial" means?
Didn't you just announce that you killfiled zamboni?
So why are you asking him questions AFTER you killfiled him?
Oh, and what's YOUR definition of "commercial," Bill, and why do you
think zamboni would presume it applies here?
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08 Mar 2005 12:57:58 AM |
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wrote:
On 7 Mar 2005 17:31:13 -0800, "David Sienkiewicz"
<hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions
on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets
and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you just
can't
use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your house,
show
them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to lure
customers
to
your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm sure they have
a
legal department that tells them what they can and cannot do.
They
might even know more about the issue than you do. (I know that
might
be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that
may
be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron
uses
their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally
control
what
they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only way they can
control
that is if they did not allow cameras, therefore the photos you
take
will
not legally be yours and you cannot claim copyrights. They could
say
anything they want on their website or their tickets but they
cannot
get
around copyright laws. I know what I'm talking about.
Which copyright laws are they trying to get around?
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill.
Yes, it would seem so, and that's one reason I asked.
I suspect we won't be hearing any more on the matter from Bill.
And that seems to happen a lot, too.
< snip >
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08 Mar 2005 12:46:43 AM |
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wrote:
On 7 Mar 2005 17:31:13 -0800, "David Sienkiewicz"
<hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures,
you just can't use them on your commercial website. Hang them in
your house, show them to friends, just don't sell them or use them
to lure customers to your website to sell them books, cds, etc. .
I'm sure they have a legal department that tells them what they
can and cannot do. They might even know more about the issue than
you do. (I know that might be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may
be difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a
patron uses their own camera with their own film, the park cannot
legally control what they do with the pictures. Simple as that.
The only way they can control that is if they did not allow
cameras, therefore the photos you take will not legally be yours
and you cannot claim copyrights. They could say
anything they want on their website or their tickets but they
cannot get around copyright laws. I know what I'm talking about.
Which copyright laws are they trying to get around?
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not use
them for commercial endeavors. Even if it were, in public spaces, in
California at least, that would require a permit in advance, and
possibly a fee, depending on the locale. In this case it is not even
public land. If the photographer cannot agree with the terms before
entering the park...leave the camera in the car. Mmmmkay.
(Bill, how long have you practiced law? In California? Apparently,
Sacramento disagrees with you.)
There have been others but I found this page, pretty much, first.
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/photo-permits/
Obviously, private property, photographed from within said private
property would enjoy even greater protection.
Google away.
They would not be attempting to enforce a copyright, they are simply
stating that you cannot profit from images of their property without
stating your intent, in advance, and of course cutting them in. Stop
trying to work that angle, it's making you look even more foolish.
Why are some Christians always looking for legal loopholes? You would
think that they would *want* to do the right thing. Maybe it comes
from their biblical studies. Pick and choose what they agree with.
Maybe their god won't notice. "Screw Jesus, I'll do what *I* want to
do."...huh?
I know that cameras and film may be taken from patrons if they take picturs
of performers when it has been announced that such actions are forbidden and
in general a model release must be obtained before anybody's picture can be
used in most cases (news stories are an exception.)
I would side with zamboni.
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| Title: Re: Does "Dr." Gasterich have written permission to use images he took at the Wild Animal Park? Was: Re: Your Thought Life - #400 - JCSM's Weekly Devotions |
08 Mar 2005 05:55:44 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:nTbXd.13101$OU1.3703@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com wrote:
On 7 Mar 2005 17:31:13 -0800, "David Sienkiewicz"
<hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures,
you just can't use them on your commercial website. Hang them in
your house, show them to friends, just don't sell them or use them
to lure customers to your website to sell them books, cds, etc. .
I'm sure they have a legal department that tells them what they
can and cannot do. They might even know more about the issue than
you do. (I know that might be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may
be difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a
patron uses their own camera with their own film, the park cannot
legally control what they do with the pictures. Simple as that.
The only way they can control that is if they did not allow
cameras, therefore the photos you take will not legally be yours
and you cannot claim copyrights. They could say
anything they want on their website or their tickets but they
cannot get around copyright laws. I know what I'm talking about.
Which copyright laws are they trying to get around?
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not use
them for commercial endeavors. Even if it were, in public spaces, in
California at least, that would require a permit in advance, and
possibly a fee, depending on the locale. In this case it is not even
public land. If the photographer cannot agree with the terms before
entering the park...leave the camera in the car. Mmmmkay.
(Bill, how long have you practiced law? In California? Apparently,
Sacramento disagrees with you.)
There have been others but I found this page, pretty much, first.
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/photo-permits/
Obviously, private property, photographed from within said private
property would enjoy even greater protection.
Google away.
They would not be attempting to enforce a copyright, they are simply
stating that you cannot profit from images of their property without
stating your intent, in advance, and of course cutting them in. Stop
trying to work that angle, it's making you look even more foolish.
Why are some Christians always looking for legal loopholes? You would
think that they would *want* to do the right thing. Maybe it comes
from their biblical studies. Pick and choose what they agree with.
Maybe their god won't notice. "Screw Jesus, I'll do what *I* want to
do."...huh?
I know that cameras and film may be taken from patrons if they take
picturs of performers when it has been announced that such actions are
forbidden and in general a model release must be obtained before anybody's
picture can be used in most cases (news stories are an exception.)
I would side with zamboni.
That is because it states on the ticket that cameras are not allowed. I
have mentioned this.
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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08 Mar 2005 06:35:57 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:46:43 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com wrote:
On 7 Mar 2005 17:31:13 -0800, "David Sienkiewicz"
<hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures,
you just can't use them on your commercial website. Hang them in
your house, show them to friends, just don't sell them or use them
to lure customers to your website to sell them books, cds, etc. .
I'm sure they have a legal department that tells them what they
can and cannot do. They might even know more about the issue than
you do. (I know that might be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may
be difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a
patron uses their own camera with their own film, the park cannot
legally control what they do with the pictures. Simple as that.
The only way they can control that is if they did not allow
cameras, therefore the photos you take will not legally be yours
and you cannot claim copyrights. They could say
anything they want on their website or their tickets but they
cannot get around copyright laws. I know what I'm talking about.
Which copyright laws are they trying to get around?
The law, at least in California, disagrees with Bill. The park
basically owns the scenery and wildlife. San Diego Zoo is not public
property. You may use the photos for personal use, but you may not use
them for commercial endeavors. Even if it were, in public spaces, in
California at least, that would require a permit in advance, and
possibly a fee, depending on the locale. In this case it is not even
public land. If the photographer cannot agree with the terms before
entering the park...leave the camera in the car. Mmmmkay.
(Bill, how long have you practiced law? In California? Apparently,
Sacramento disagrees with you.)
There have been others but I found this page, pretty much, first.
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/photo-permits/
Obviously, private property, photographed from within said private
property would enjoy even greater protection.
Google away.
They would not be attempting to enforce a copyright, they are simply
stating that you cannot profit from images of their property without
stating your intent, in advance, and of course cutting them in. Stop
trying to work that angle, it's making you look even more foolish.
Why are some Christians always looking for legal loopholes? You would
think that they would *want* to do the right thing. Maybe it comes
from their biblical studies. Pick and choose what they agree with.
Maybe their god won't notice. "Screw Jesus, I'll do what *I* want to
do."...huh?
I know that cameras and film may be taken from patrons if they take picturs
of performers when it has been announced that such actions are forbidden and
in general a model release must be obtained before anybody's picture can be
used in most cases (news stories are an exception.)
I would side with zamboni.
It depends on the state. I've done a bit of travelling camera in hand,
and in some states which shall remain nameless (Florida <G>), it
almost seems like a pro photographer needs a permit just to take his
camera out of the bag, while in others, my home state of Ohio for
example, there are few restrictions.
As for model releases, they're not actually required by law, but they
*are* required by most agencies, and it's just a good idea. It
protects the photographer from a possible lawsuit at very least.
However, in several cases where celebrities have attempted to sue
paparazzi for "invasion of privacy", courts have ruled that
celebrities don't have the same right to privacy as "normal" people,
having voluntarily relinquished that right by deliberately choosing a
career that places them in the public eye. But it depends on the
judge. When in doubt, get a signature. <G>
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you
just can't use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your
house, show them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to
lure customers to your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm
sure they have a legal department that tells them what they can and
cannot do. They might even know more about the issue than you do. (I
know that might be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron
uses their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally
control what they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only
way they can control that is if they did not allow cameras, therefore
the photos you take will not legally be yours and you cannot claim
copyrights. They could say anything they want on their website or
their tickets but they cannot get around copyright laws. I know what
I'm talking about.
Thanks for your posts, Bill. I'm certainly interested in following and
obeying every law.
I'm glad you know about copyright law and cameras. Is there a place where
you learned or what made you find out these things?
God bless,
Jason
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm glad you know about copyright law and cameras. Is there a place where
you learned or what made you find out these things?
As much as I know you prefer having things handed to you on a silver
platter, Google is your friend.
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08 Mar 2005 05:52:36 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you
just can't use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your
house, show them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to
lure customers to your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm
sure they have a legal department that tells them what they can and
cannot do. They might even know more about the issue than you do. (I
know that might be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron
uses their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally
control what they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only
way they can control that is if they did not allow cameras, therefore
the photos you take will not legally be yours and you cannot claim
copyrights. They could say anything they want on their website or
their tickets but they cannot get around copyright laws. I know what
I'm talking about.
Thanks for your posts, Bill. I'm certainly interested in following and
obeying every law.
I'm glad you know about copyright law and cameras. Is there a place where
you learned or what made you find out these things?
I've been into photography since I was a kid. I also know a person who is a
hired photog for a major rock band. I also follow along as much as I can
with copyright infringment cases that wind up in court and how they turn
out. Even signed contracts can be nullified by a judge in favor of the law.
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www.globalnetministries.com
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08 Mar 2005 12:49:41 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
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Thanks for your posts, Bill. I'm certainly interested in following
and obeying every law.
Unless he does not want to.
Is there a place
where you learned or what made you find out these things?
He's got a dock-tor-ate so this must be real good English
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| User: "David Sienkiewicz" |
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08 Mar 2005 01:02:19 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions
on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures,
you
just can't use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your
house, show them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to
lure customers to your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm
sure they have a legal department that tells them what they can
and
cannot do. They might even know more about the issue than you do.
(I
know that might be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may
be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron
uses their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally
control what they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only
way they can control that is if they did not allow cameras,
therefore
the photos you take will not legally be yours and you cannot claim
copyrights. They could say anything they want on their website or
their tickets but they cannot get around copyright laws. I know
what
I'm talking about.
Thanks for your posts, Bill.
One post, Jason - singular.
I'm certainly interested in following and
obeying every law.
When you recently posted that article about the decline of atheism, did
you have permission?
Who owns the copyright on the photo of Michael Newdow that appears on
your website, michaelnewdow.com?
I'm glad you know about copyright law and cameras.
How did you determine that, Jason?
Is there a place where
you learned or what made you find out these things?
If you ever had the courage to ask ME, I could answer "law school" and
the practice of law.
But you knew that, didn't you?
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:25:18 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8nop21t95sp2mvtvct4jumn9o75goajh9r@4ax.com...
I wanted to check up on it. Actually the park can set conditions on
admittance. Possibly, or probably the rules are printed on the
tickets and posted at the park.They don't mind taking pictures, you
just can't use them on your commercial website. Hang them in your
house, show them to friends, just don't sell them or use them to
lure customers to your website to sell them books, cds, etc. . I'm
sure they have a legal department that tells them what they can and
cannot do. They might even know more about the issue than you do. (I
know that might be difficult to believe.)
I do know about copyright laws concerning cameras. I know that may be
difficult for you to believe. If cameras are allowed and a patron
uses their own camera with their own film, the park cannot legally
control what they do with the pictures. Simple as that. The only
way they can control that is if they did not allow cameras, therefore
the photos you take will not legally be yours and you cannot claim
copyrights. They could say anything they want on their website or
their tickets but they cannot get around copyright laws. I know what
I'm talking about.
Thanks for your posts, Bill. I'm certainly interested in following and
obeying every law.
I'm glad you know about copyright law and cameras. Is there a place where
you learned or what made you find out these things?
God bless,
Jason
No, he's just pulling it from out of his *****. Follow his advice, and
you'll be trying to pull "Bubba" out of your *****.
Too bad you killfiled all the smart people. Oh weelll! I hope it was
worth it. (Squeeeel like a pig, preacher!)
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zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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08 Mar 2005 05:57:01 AM |
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<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, he's just pulling it from out of his *****.
I should have known you were trolling.
[plonk]
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08 Mar 2005 09:32:21 AM |
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Bill Gamelson gammelnorsked:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mo8q21p36sa2kua9nh89nufh0er6iv6knh@4ax.com...
No, he's just pulling it from out of his *****.
I should have known you were trolling.
[plonk]
Even the article he linked to to "back up" his argument didn't really agree
with what he was saying. It said that specific equipment, such as a tripod,
or specific activities, such as going off track, were more likely to be
prohibited. He said he had gotten the original info off of the Sandy Huevos
Zoo website, but never gave the URL, which woulda seemed the like natural
like thing to like do, were there any substance in it, rather than the
obfuscation he anyway promises at the end of his sig, which is such a
trollbuster anyway that who you gonna call?
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| User: "David D." |
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08 Mar 2005 01:02:10 PM |
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David wrote:
Bill Gamelson gammelnorsked:
<zamboni30000@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mo8q21p36sa2kua9nh89nufh0er6iv6knh@4ax.com...
No, he's just pulling it from out of his *****.
I should have known you were trolling.
[plonk]
Even the article he linked to to "back up" his argument didn't really
agree
with what he was saying. It said that specific equipment, such as a
tripod,
or specific activities, such as going off track, were more likely to
be
prohibited. He said he had gotten the original info off of the Sandy
Huevos
Zoo website, but never gave the URL, which woulda seemed the like
natural
like thing to like do, were there any substance in it, rather than
the
obfuscation he anyway promises at the end of his sig, which is such a
trollbuster anyway that who you gonna call?
Troll? Then why would the San Diego web site state:
"You are prohibited from using our images and text without obtaining a
license to do so. The commercial use of photographs, video and film you
may have taken during your visits to the San Diego Zoo and the San
Diego Zoo's Wild Animal Park is strictly prohibited without the full
written
consent of the Zoological Society of San Diego."
I know, I know, "SHOW ME THE LINK".
http://zoocf.console.net/wildbeasts_photo/image_search.cfm
Satisfied?
But what is commercial? Making profit from said photo's would come
under such a category. Does Jason have advertising on his pages?
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