| Topic: |
Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Pastor Dave" |
| Date: |
27 May 2004 06:38:18 AM |
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ZAPHOD ACCUSES PASTOR DAVE |
Zaphod,
You have accused me of being a false pastor (i.e., that
I am not really a pastor). You have claimed it as if
it were fact. When called on this, you snipped my
responses to your claims and accused me of ranting. I
will now repost the message you wrote, with my
responses to your statements. Let's see if this time,
you can back up your claims or not.
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Dave can I ask you why you fell the need to portray your self as a pastor?
I'm sure you feel you are spreading God's words and sheparding to the masses
BUT
The masses understand that when someone says he is a pastor, priest,
minister or rabbi that
they have studied and are recognized by an established religious institution
as one of their own.
A pastor is not limited to a denomination. A pastor
may be ordained by a denomination, but is not bound by
that denomination for life. A pastor may also be
ordained by any non-denominational church.
You are under the false impression that people make
people what they are. God makes men what they are.
I have a bogus degree that says I'm a minister and can call myself a pastor
or minister with as much truth and conviction as you do.
That is an accusation against me, not proof.
This is the type of intellectual dishonestly that drives people away from
Christianity.
Christianity is only for intellectuals? Intellectuals
set the standard for what Christianity is? And what
evidence do you offer of dishonesty regarding my
position?
You are driving more people away by using false credentials then you will
attract.
That is an accusation against me, not proof.
When you told me your credentials, right or wrong I dismissed you as a
flake.
So you dismissed me, whether you were right or wrong.
Interesting. You admit that you may be wrong and that
you didn't care about that and just chose to dismiss me
regardless and now make accusation after accusation
against, even though you may be wrong and we are
supposed to consider YOU to be "intellectually honest"?
HYPOCRISY!
If you honestly want to lead people to Christ, it should start with honesty
and you should NOT make you're self out to be something you're not.
Again, an accusation without proof.
I put out the flames on my stove each and every day, that doesn't make me a
firemen.
I hope not. Then you'd be plural. :)
Here's a clue.
If you can't legally marry people in the eyes of the state you live in then
you are not a legit minister or pastor.
Who says I can't marry people? That's another
accusation against me, without proof.
The fact is, that you look to the state to verify
whether or not someone is a pastor. The state does not
have control over the church. Nor does the state
require a state certificate to be able to marry people.
All the state requires is that a pastor be ordained, so
that they know that the marriage was performed by a
pastor and not just some dude. In fact, you can be a
pastor of the "Church of the Great and Shiny Beer Keg".
In fact, at one point in my life, many people would
have voted me in as such. :) I think someone else I
knew was voted into that position, because he
worshipped the porcelain gods more often. :)
The point is, it really doesn't matter what the church
is, nor what it believes, as far as marrying people is
concerned, as long as it's a church and no, that church
does not have to be registered with the state, nor set
up as a non-profit organization by the government.
"Congress shall make no law...".
Now, if you wish to claim "intellectual honesty", then
either back up your claims, or retract them.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/}
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"...we have a prior commitment, a commitment to
materialism. It is not that the methods and
institutions of science somehow compel us to accept
a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but,
on the contrary, that we are forced by our 'a priori'
adherence to material causes to create a set of
concepts that produce material explanations, no matter
how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the
uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an
absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the
door." - Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions
of Demons, The New York Review of Books,
January 9, 1997, p. 31
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