Before writing the Divine Comedy, Dante said that in it he "hoped to say of
[Beatrice] what was never said of any woman." He fulfilled this promise in the
Comedy, the central figure of which is Beatrice glorified.
I am becoming quite overcome by the men and women I am studying. The large
quality of their hearts, the vastness of their intelligence, makes my stomach
have butterflies and at the same time makes my mind swim. For some reason,
their lives and ambition for their work bring me to tears.
Is there anyone out there who feels the same about some one like Dante or
Aquinas? I wish so much to know. I miss John so much -- his mind. I miss his
capacity to be moved by great thought. I do not want to be alone in my work. I
need to share.
Rosena
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11 Jun 2004 09:29:34 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2004 14:52:31 GMT, (Trishamolson)
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Before writing the Divine Comedy, Dante said that in it he "hoped to say of
[Beatrice] what was never said of any woman." He fulfilled this promise in the
Comedy, the central figure of which is Beatrice glorified.
I am becoming quite overcome by the men and women I am studying. The large
quality of their hearts, the vastness of their intelligence, makes my stomach
have butterflies and at the same time makes my mind swim. For some reason,
their lives and ambition for their work bring me to tears.
Is there anyone out there who feels the same about some one like Dante or
Aquinas? I wish so much to know. I miss John so much -- his mind. I miss his
capacity to be moved by great thought. I do not want to be alone in my work. I
need to share.
Rosena
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| User: "Trishamolson" |
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12 Jun 2004 06:08:49 AM |
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{{{Rosena}}}
Thanks Jeff -- hope that your grandmama is better and that you are not too
overwhelmed with her care.
Best
Rosena
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12 Jun 2004 08:32:26 PM |
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On 12 Jun 2004 11:08:49 GMT, (Trishamolson)
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{{{Rosena}}}
Thanks Jeff -- hope that your grandmama is better and that you are not too
overwhelmed with her care.
Best
Rosena
I am hoping to get at least three days in a row without her falling.
Today was a good day.
I think eliminating use of the stairway and moving her into the
familyroom is helping this process.
I moved this computer out of the familyroom and down to the basement.
Jeff
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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11 Jun 2004 01:45:18 PM |
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Trishamolson wrote:
Before writing the Divine Comedy, Dante said that in it he "hoped to say
of [Beatrice] what was never said of any woman." He fulfilled this
promise in the Comedy, the central figure of which is Beatrice glorified.
Why is 'Beatrice' in square brackets up there? I can't seem to get that
straight, the rule for doing that.
I am becoming quite overcome by the men and women I am studying.
Oh well, how about 'by the ideas I am reading'? The people you are studying
are dead, all that's left are relics, the 'hu' of the people, the memory.
Only ideas are left to overcome you. Best to make sure they are healthy
ones.
The large quality of their hearts, the vastness of their intelligence,
makes my stomach have butterflies and at the same time makes my mind swim.
That's good, eh?
For some reason, their lives and ambition for their work bring me to
tears.
Wouldn't that probably be just inspiration? Is there anything wrong with
those kinds of tears?
Is there anyone out there who feels the same about some one like Dante or
Aquinas?
Not a single person on Earth. Your feelings are unique, as are everyone
elses's. With more uniqueness than fingerprints.
People can have similar feelings.
That kind of idea about sameness is a product of cognitive distortion. So is
the idea of being overcome by people you only read and think about.
Logically, it is easy to know what is what, but the illness causes us to
trick ourselves through the everyday language we use in thought and speech.
I wish so much to know.
Inspiration can lead to aspiration.
I miss John so much -- his mind. I miss his capacity to be moved by great
thought. I do not want to be alone in my work. I need to share.
First you need to get well. Wellness is in the future. Leave illness in the
past. Stop clinging to what isn't real. Even John is not the black and
white absolute this or that that he seems to be. No one is. Ever. Not even
you.
You need never be alone in your work unless you want to be. But you have to
open yourself to others. To start sharing you have to give first. The
giving can identify the people you are looking for. That way you can find
healthy people who are moved by great thought and are ready to share.
Do you have a physician and all that arranged for when you get back to
America?
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| User: "Trishamolson" |
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12 Jun 2004 06:07:55 AM |
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Before writing the Divine Comedy, Dante said that in it he "hoped to say
of [Beatrice] what was never said of any woman." He fulfilled this
promise in the Comedy, the central figure of which is Beatrice glorified.
Why is 'Beatrice' in square brackets up there? I can't seem to get that
straight, the rule for doing that.
You use brackets when you have to add information that if you didn't would
render quote obscure or unclear.
I am becoming quite overcome by the men and women I am studying.
Oh well, how about 'by the ideas I am reading'? The people you are studying
are dead, all that's left are relics, the 'hu' of the people, the memory.
Only ideas are left to overcome you. Best to make sure they are healthy
ones.
Yes ideas are overcoming. But so too, one feels very close to the dead when
you read their works. They come alive in your mind for the work is so powerful.
The large quality of their hearts, the vastness of their intelligence,
makes my stomach have butterflies and at the same time makes my mind swim.
That's good, eh?
Yes. :) I suppose it surely is.
For some reason, their lives and ambition for their work bring me to
tears.
Wouldn't that probably be just inspiration? Is there anything wrong with
those kinds of tears?
No. That is it exactly -- inspiration.
Is there anyone out there who feels the same about some one like Dante or
Aquinas?
Not a single person on Earth. Your feelings are unique, as are everyone
elses's. With more uniqueness than fingerprints.
Yes. But so too, people share in ideas.
People can have similar feelings.
That kind of idea about sameness is a product of cognitive distortion. So is
the idea of being overcome by people you only read and think about.
Logically, it is easy to know what is what, but the illness causes us to
trick ourselves through the everyday language we use in thought and speech.
Yes, you have always been rightl cautious with modes of expression we all use.
I wish so much to know.
Inspiration can lead to aspiration.
I miss John so much -- his mind. I miss his capacity to be moved by great
thought. I do not want to be alone in my work. I need to share.
First you need to get well. Wellness is in the future. Leave illness in the
past. Stop clinging to what isn't real.
I try, Bev.
Even John is not the black and
white absolute this or that that he seems to be. No one is. Ever. Not even
you.
Yes -- I ponder this often, the complex color of people and how easy it is to
paint them with too broad a brush.
You need never be alone in your work unless you want to be. But you have to
open yourself to others. To start sharing you have to give first. The
giving can identify the people you are looking for. That way you can find
healthy people who are moved by great thought and are ready to share.
Yes, but I need to be not so isolated. I won't be in New York -- though dead
saints is not a common interest of people :)
Where is Brenda. She is ASD saint lady.
Do you have a physician and all that arranged for when you get back to
America?
Not yet, but it is one of the first things to do. For both legs and mind. Hope
you are well.
me
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12 Jun 2004 03:07:48 PM |
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Trishamolson wrote:
Before writing the Divine Comedy, Dante said that in it he "hoped to say
of [Beatrice] what was never said of any woman." He fulfilled this
promise in the Comedy, the central figure of which is Beatrice
glorified.
Why is 'Beatrice' in square brackets up there? I can't seem to get that
straight, the rule for doing that.
You use brackets when you have to add information that if you didn't would
render quote obscure or unclear.
Well, that makes it even more confusing. Because, "hoped to say of what was"
doesn't make any sense. Was 'of' supposed to be in the brackets too?
Yes ideas are overcoming. But so too, one feels very close to the dead
when you read their works. They come alive in your mind for the work is so
powerful.
You just did it again! They [seem to] come alive, eh? The 'seeming' part has
to be kept in mind until it comes out in speech and unbidden thought. All
the closeness sensed, which is relative, has to be considered relative too.
so you don't become close to someone you don't know, but do become close to
a relic they've left. The person those relics make you feel close to can
only be yourself. and that still may not be real, but it's closer.
The large quality of their hearts, the vastness of their intelligence,
makes my stomach have butterflies and at the same time makes my mind
swim.
That's good, eh?
Yes. :) I suppose it surely is.
Well, it surely is, because 'good' is a relative thing. And it works very
well, or else religious institutions and infantry regiments wouldn't have
catechisms. It's tried and true over the centuries.
For some reason, their lives and ambition for their work bring me to
tears.
Wouldn't that probably be just inspiration? Is there anything wrong with
those kinds of tears?
No. That is it exactly -- inspiration.
Yes, inspiration, everything can be turned into that. Always turn this sort
of thing into that. There is no sense in doing anything else, anything else
is either a waste of time at best or harmful at worst.
Is there anyone out there who feels the same about some one like Dante
or Aquinas?
Not a single person on Earth. Your feelings are unique, as are everyone
elses's. With more uniqueness than fingerprints.
Yes. But so too, people share in ideas.
Ideas yes, but even then only sort of and a bit.
Yes, you have always been rightl cautious with modes of expression we all
use.
The therapists teach it in cognitive-behavioural therapy and it can even be
learned from a book. I tend to go overboard sometimes, when I was young I
had a job where descriptive language had to super-precise, which sometimes
means vague. hahaha
Recently, last year, I was the sickest I'd ever been from mental illness,
much worse than in '99 but I was not as addled by it because I'd been doing
some meditation practices. Anyway, two things happened at the same time, I
learned some more yogas and I began psychotherapy, so I had a very good
chance to watch the therapy in action. It works just like the therapists
claim it does.
Mind, language and emotion are all bundled up in a single knot. Mind is the
only thing there. Emotions are interpretations of sensations, they are
interpreted in context by the mind, if the context is incongruous the mind
will tend to invent one. The interpretation appears in language, thought or
speech. Language is what tempers the interpretation. so, our only means to
change the whole situation is to change the language used by the mind. That
is what those cognitive-behavioural therapy language-use techniques are all
about.
First you need to get well. Wellness is in the future. Leave illness in
the past. Stop clinging to what isn't real.
I try, Bev.
It's difficult. A trick is to also forget the future, to just deal with the
present. No extension in either direction. It takes practice. you have to
practice deconstructing and then dismissing irrational thoughts related to
the past or future. Even ones involving real memories of real events.
Even John is not the black and
white absolute this or that that he seems to be. No one is. Ever. Not even
you.
Yes -- I ponder this often, the complex color of people and how easy it is
to paint them with too broad a brush.
A whole bunch of us have illnesses that cause exactly that to the point
where medical aid is required. It is possible to get past that too, but not
as common in technique as just dealing with cognitive distortions. CBT can
help with it, but heavy work on interpersonal issues may also be required.
Yes, but I need to be not so isolated. I won't be in New York -- though
dead saints is not a common interest of people :)
That depends on where you go. In NYC, there's probably even a cafe where the
regulars talk all day about saints and such.
Where is Brenda. She is ASD saint lady.
I really liked the saints posts.
Do you have a physician and all that arranged for when you get back to
America?
Not yet, but it is one of the first things to do. For both legs and mind.
Maybe you can find one who specializes in psychotherapy for both. There's
plenty of them here, I imagine even more in NYC.
Hope you are well.
I am getting well. For the first time since 1989, I am scoring in the 'mild'
depression range. Two years ago that seemed to me like Pollyannna country.
I am also recovering IQ, whatever that indicates. I have recently achieved
a major lifetime religious goal and with it came much more than I could
have expected and more is still coming. I am getting better everyday.
You can too.
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12 Jun 2004 08:25:28 PM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
Trishamolson wrote:
Before writing the Divine Comedy, Dante said that in it he "hoped to say
of [Beatrice] what was never said of any woman." He fulfilled this
promise in the Comedy, the central figure of which is Beatrice
glorified.
Why is 'Beatrice' in square brackets up there? I can't seem to get that
straight, the rule for doing that.
You use brackets when you have to add information that if you didn't would
render quote obscure or unclear.
Well, that makes it even more confusing. Because, "hoped to say of what was"
doesn't make any sense. Was 'of' supposed to be in the brackets too?
As I understand it, such brackets indicate, commonly, a subsitution to
the end Rosena indicated. So I assume that the quote would have read
"her" instead of "Beatrice" originally.
Kirby
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12 Jun 2004 09:21:02 PM |
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Kirby Cook wrote:
As I understand it, such brackets indicate, commonly, a subsitution to
the end Rosena indicated. So I assume that the quote would have read
"her" instead of "Beatrice" originally.
A substitution! Ok. Thanks.
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11 Jun 2004 02:58:14 PM |
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I am going to reply in more detail in just a bit, but I wanted to say quickly
that your reply moved my heart. It was so damn thoughtful, so engaged, to there
if you know what I mean. If you were in front of me I'd hug you tight (if so
allowed) just because you are Bev and I am glad you are in the world.
me
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