I have to work harder to see and understand the pattern of what is
tumbling in my mind or I will eventually drift into utter madness and
then Maria will be alone . . .
Eight years ago when the breakdown was complete, the doctor told me
firmly and almost in a nasty tone that I had had one foot in true
madness already. I knew that. When one's persona is shattered, and
one is speaking gibberish and lacking in luicidity, there is for some a
small self awareness -- a bit of persona left -- that is watching in
horror as the rest disinegrates. A by product of this cracking up was
that I lost knowledge I had once had. As I got better it did not come
back. Total memory loss of a storehouse of knowledge, thought, and
work, from the ten years previous. I have been running -- almost
desperate -- no truly desperate -- to re learn and/or recall ever since
.. . .
I taught John Oresteia. He had never heard of the tragedy before I
taught it to him. It is a deeply troubling and profound myth of
suffering into light, of the way the Furies are tamed, and vengeance
becomes ordered moral punishment. But, truth?? It was one of the
things that was lost. I cannot recall its lessons or text with any
concentration of thought, or detail. It is -- in effect -- as lost to
me now as it was to him before I taught it.
Now he is teaching it in his History of Punishment course which is
essentially a literary philosophical course covering Scripture, Greek
tragedy, Dante, and other great works that speak to inflicting pain for
wrong. What upset me the most in learning this is not him really --
but all all that was lost because of him.
I can't let it be in the sense that now he "recalls" Oresteia and I
cannot fathom it. It makes the sense of the world topsy turvy and
tragically sad -- to leave that as a written line on the page of life.
So, now I have ordered a good critical edition and will teach the
tragedy over to myself once more. No one (except ASD) need know of the
motive, or how it smells of a bit of twistedness, or at least low self
esteem. I simply need BACK the woman I lost, and part of that -- a
large part -- is the knowledge that died and became lost to a person
who lost all cogency.
I am tierd of the fight -- the inner fight. I am not Rocky. And the
self-focus is disgusting.
Rosena (terrified of slipping back to gibberish)
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I UNERSTAND LOST IDENTITY, NO PRESENT TENSE, AND I FEAR THAT
HAPPENING AGAIN TOO. I WOULD MUCH RATHER JUST DIE THEN GO THROUGH THAT
AGAIN, It will not happen again to you or I, It won't because we
won't let it!!! hang in there , you are so worth saving! so save
yourself and be well, jill
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08 Mar 2005 11:03:53 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1110316567.874556.35820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I have to work harder to see and understand the pattern of what is
tumbling in my mind or I will eventually drift into utter madness
and
then Maria will be alone . . .
Eight years ago when the breakdown was complete, the doctor told me
firmly and almost in a nasty tone that I had had one foot in true
madness already. I knew that. When one's persona is shattered, and
one is speaking gibberish and lacking in luicidity, there is for
some a
small self awareness -- a bit of persona left -- that is watching in
horror as the rest disinegrates. A by product of this cracking up
was
that I lost knowledge I had once had. As I got better it did not
come
back. Total memory loss of a storehouse of knowledge, thought, and
work, from the ten years previous. I have been running -- almost
desperate -- no truly desperate -- to re learn and/or recall ever
since
. . .
I have found that my memories are often linked to the emotional
context in which they were developed. On losing the ability to recall
the emotional context, I also lose the memories themselves. I wonder
if that is what happened in your case?
[Deletia]
So, now I have ordered a good critical edition and will teach the
tragedy over to myself once more. No one (except ASD) need know of
the
motive, or how it smells of a bit of twistedness, or at least low
self
esteem. I simply need BACK the woman I lost, and part of that -- a
large part -- is the knowledge that died and became lost to a person
who lost all cogency.
I am tierd of the fight -- the inner fight. I am not Rocky. And the
self-focus is disgusting.
I see nothing even vaguely disgusting about wanting to recover part of
your past knowledge by relearning it. It seems healthy enough to me.
And if part of your motivation is not wanting to be one-upped by
someone you don't like, so what? There are worse motivations.
As for me, I admire you. Always have.
Rosena (terrified of slipping back to gibberish)
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000
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09 Mar 2005 02:55:24 AM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1110316567.874556.35820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I have to work harder to see and understand the pattern of what is
tumbling in my mind or I will eventually drift into utter madness and
then Maria will be alone . . .
Eight years ago when the breakdown was complete, the doctor told me
firmly and almost in a nasty tone that I had had one foot in true
madness already. I knew that. When one's persona is shattered, and
one is speaking gibberish and lacking in luicidity, there is for some a
small self awareness -- a bit of persona left -- that is watching in
horror as the rest disinegrates. A by product of this cracking up was
that I lost knowledge I had once had. As I got better it did not come
back. Total memory loss of a storehouse of knowledge, thought, and
work, from the ten years previous. I have been running -- almost
desperate -- no truly desperate -- to re learn and/or recall ever since
. . .
I taught John Oresteia. He had never heard of the tragedy before I
taught it to him. It is a deeply troubling and profound myth of
suffering into light, of the way the Furies are tamed, and vengeance
becomes ordered moral punishment. But, truth?? It was one of the
things that was lost. I cannot recall its lessons or text with any
concentration of thought, or detail. It is -- in effect -- as lost to
me now as it was to him before I taught it.
Now he is teaching it in his History of Punishment course which is
essentially a literary philosophical course covering Scripture, Greek
tragedy, Dante, and other great works that speak to inflicting pain for
wrong. What upset me the most in learning this is not him really --
but all all that was lost because of him.
I can't let it be in the sense that now he "recalls" Oresteia and I
cannot fathom it. It makes the sense of the world topsy turvy and
tragically sad -- to leave that as a written line on the page of life.
So, now I have ordered a good critical edition and will teach the
tragedy over to myself once more. No one (except ASD) need know of the
motive, or how it smells of a bit of twistedness, or at least low self
esteem. I simply need BACK the woman I lost, and part of that -- a
large part -- is the knowledge that died and became lost to a person
who lost all cogency.
I am tierd of the fight -- the inner fight. I am not Rocky. And the
self-focus is disgusting.
Rosena (terrified of slipping back to gibberish)
I suspect that for you - a highly intellectual and gifted educator - you
equate knowledge with power. Do you feel that when you gave away your
knowledge - you gave away your power?
--
rhianon@sympatico.ca
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09 Mar 2005 08:29:32 AM |
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Rhiannon wrote:
"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1110316567.874556.35820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I have to work harder to see and understand the pattern of what is
tumbling in my mind or I will eventually drift into utter madness
and
then Maria will be alone . . .
Eight years ago when the breakdown was complete, the doctor told me
firmly and almost in a nasty tone that I had had one foot in true
madness already. I knew that. When one's persona is shattered,
and
one is speaking gibberish and lacking in luicidity, there is for
some a
small self awareness -- a bit of persona left -- that is watching
in
horror as the rest disinegrates. A by product of this cracking up
was
that I lost knowledge I had once had. As I got better it did not
come
back. Total memory loss of a storehouse of knowledge, thought, and
work, from the ten years previous. I have been running -- almost
desperate -- no truly desperate -- to re learn and/or recall ever
since
. . .
I taught John Oresteia. He had never heard of the tragedy before I
taught it to him. It is a deeply troubling and profound myth of
suffering into light, of the way the Furies are tamed, and
vengeance
becomes ordered moral punishment. But, truth?? It was one of the
things that was lost. I cannot recall its lessons or text with any
concentration of thought, or detail. It is -- in effect -- as lost
to
me now as it was to him before I taught it.
Now he is teaching it in his History of Punishment course which is
essentially a literary philosophical course covering Scripture,
Greek
tragedy, Dante, and other great works that speak to inflicting pain
for
wrong. What upset me the most in learning this is not him really
--
but all all that was lost because of him.
I can't let it be in the sense that now he "recalls" Oresteia and I
cannot fathom it. It makes the sense of the world topsy turvy and
tragically sad -- to leave that as a written line on the page of
life.
So, now I have ordered a good critical edition and will teach the
tragedy over to myself once more. No one (except ASD) need know of
the
motive, or how it smells of a bit of twistedness, or at least low
self
esteem. I simply need BACK the woman I lost, and part of that -- a
large part -- is the knowledge that died and became lost to a
person
who lost all cogency.
I am tierd of the fight -- the inner fight. I am not Rocky. And
the
self-focus is disgusting.
Rosena (terrified of slipping back to gibberish)
I suspect that for you - a highly intellectual and gifted educator -
you
equate knowledge with power. Do you feel that when you gave away
your
knowledge - you gave away your power?
You know, I hadn't thought of this exactly, but when you said it I
realized you hit the nail square on the head. A loss of potency and it
makes me feel not in control (of my life and maria's) and a bit
helpless though I try to proceed as if neither of these things are
true. Is it icky to equate one's knowledge with one's power??? What
to hear what you think.
Best to you
Rosena
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09 Mar 2005 07:20:48 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1110378572.161124.102210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Rhiannon wrote:
I suspect that for you - a highly intellectual and gifted educator - you
equate knowledge with power. Do you feel that when you gave
away your knowledge - you gave away your power?
You know, I hadn't thought of this exactly, but when you said it I
realized you hit the nail square on the head. A loss of potency and it
makes me feel not in control (of my life and maria's) and a bit
helpless though I try to proceed as if neither of these things are
true. Is it icky to equate one's knowledge with one's power???
What to hear what you think.
Oh no. Absolutely nothing wrong in that equation. Knowledge IS power. And
that's a good thing. But there is far more to it than just that. Knowledge
is also your passion. Your life blood. Your driving force. I also suspect
it is the means by which you validate yourself. Gauge your self worth. You
took that knowledge so tightly bound with so much intensity, an incredible
fervour, and you offered it up as a gift to someone you loved. In a very
real sense you offered up your soul. Is it any wonder you continue to mourn
and cannot break the chains that bind you to that other life? You have
often expressed confusion over the fact that obsessive thoughts of him
return again and again. How can they not if academia itself is a constant
and persistent reminder of him? The thing of it is, sometimes we look at
our lives through a dirty window. We all do it. Squinting to see beyond
the grime we lose clarity, narrowing our view of what lay beyond, and
distorting that which we do see. I think for you knowledge needs to be
re-defined. Change your vantage point. Alter your view. Sever the
connection between them. Seek a new perspective and it may cease to be what
it is and becomes something new. Something that you can fall in love with
all over again.
Knowledge given is not power lost. In fact, quite the opposite. Knowledge
breeds knowledge breeds knowledge. Like a boulder careening down a mountain
side its momentum grows until it becomes a force to be reckoned with. What
he teaches lives on in the minds of countless others. Perhaps they go on to
teach countless others. Perhaps they become better people for having
learned it. Perhaps they go on to great things with the gift they have been
given. *But understand this.* He teaches what he knows but he only knows
it because you gave it to him. You and only you are the essential part -
the beginning of - the birth of - what becomes the destiny of everyone who
leaves his class. He is nothing more than your messenger. A mere errand
boy. He has no power. He certainly does have yours. He left a mark on
you - yes - but like footprints in soft sand it is momentary. Fleeting.
Lasting only as long as it takes for the tide to come in and wash it clean
once more. You spoke of re-teaching yourself. I think it more a
re-cleansing. And a good place to start. Dig deep and I bet you will
discover that what you thought was lost was simply misplaced and that you
can regain your sense of person. You are incredibly strong. So much
stronger than I think you give yourself credit for. It is there. You will
find it. And when you do you will finally be free.
rhianon@sympatico.ca
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12 Mar 2005 01:23:07 AM |
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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He certainly does have yours.
errrr...He certainly does *NOT* have yours.
rhianon@sympatico.ca
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08 Mar 2005 03:45:09 PM |
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Rosena wrote:
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I am tierd of the fight -- the inner fight. I am not Rocky. And the
self-focus is disgusting.
Rosena (terrified of slipping back to gibberish)
Terrifying indeed. I don't know what to say, other than hope the best
for you.
This madness thing... I've been thinking of re-reading "Zen And The Art
Of Motorcycle Maintenance" for some time now. Not that I think you can
graps what it must feel like unless you've experienced it yourself, of
course.
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"Junto al estanque me atrapó la ilusión
escuchando el lenguaje de las plantas" - Santiago Auserón
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08 Mar 2005 05:46:57 PM |
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neoholistic <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote:
Rosena wrote:
I am tierd of the fight -- the inner fight. I am not Rocky. And the
self-focus is disgusting.
Terrifying indeed. I don't know what to say, other than hope the best
for you.
R. that kind of loss is terrifying to hear. I cannot imagine
what it would be to try to live with it.
This madness thing... I've been thinking of re-reading "Zen And The Art
Of Motorcycle Maintenance" for some time now.
neo, you recall this discussing this sort of state of being?
maybe I'll give taht book another look.
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but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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08 Mar 2005 06:14:45 PM |
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Contrarian wrote:
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This madness thing... I've been thinking of re-reading "Zen And The Art
Of Motorcycle Maintenance" for some time now.
neo, you recall this discussing this sort of state of being?
I'm afraid not. Was it a long time ago?
maybe I'll give taht book another look.
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