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22 May 2006 02:59:12 PM |
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@ Anyone Who Knows Me - Help @ |
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom," by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
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22 May 2006 04:17:36 PM |
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Does anyone understand this.
yes, i think i do.
Below is an email I just received from an
old student
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This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently.
when i decide to stop doing something that harms me, and then i change my
mind and do it anyway, and am harmed, it can make me feel suicidal. it's the
hopelessness of feeling i have no control.
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22 May 2006 04:20:40 PM |
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Yes, no control. Insane. Pathetic. This letter from the student just
intensifies these feelings . . . I can't get out of this fucking
quicksand
R.
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| User: "cal" |
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22 May 2006 04:45:04 PM |
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, no control. Insane. Pathetic.
please don't beat yourself up. there's no need or reason to. it just makes
it hurt more.
This letter from the student just intensifies these feelings . . .
i understand.
I can't get out of this fucking quicksand
yes, you can. you will.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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22 May 2006 04:36:54 PM |
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148327952.158845.71160@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom," by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
Sometimes when our emotions shut down we are unable to appreciate what we
should. It does not mean you cannot or will not. It means you are not
ready yet. Save it and read at the end of every week. When you are ready -
and you will be - Adam Spence's beautifully expressed sentiments will hit
you like a brick. :)
--
Rhi
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| User: "" |
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22 May 2006 06:52:00 PM |
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Hi Rhi,
Thanks just bad right now
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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22 May 2006 08:19:43 PM |
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148327952.158845.71160@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom," by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
hi Rosena
please don't think of ending it all over some horrible person. I know how
HORRIBLE things seem. I've been in somewhat similar (yet still very
different) situations, where I wanted to end it all because other people in
my life turned out to be AWFUL and TOXIC. I try to live for myself now.
not around their poisoneous life. you gotta do the same. think of just
yourself even if not your daughter (of course you should think of her too).
realize that you are a better person than *he* is (he's not a good person)
you are vastly better. And from the letter you got, other people see and
appreciate that. If you get desperately close to suicidal, always call a
suicide hotline or 911. not that you don't already know this.
hang in there, and get stronger.
sorry if this does not help.
take care.
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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22 May 2006 08:27:37 PM |
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148327952.158845.71160@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom," by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
hi Rosena
please don't think of ending it all over some horrible person. I know
how
HORRIBLE things seem. I've been in somewhat similar (yet still very
different) situations, where I wanted to end it all because other people
in
my life turned out to be AWFUL and TOXIC. I try to live for myself now.
not around their poisoneous life. you gotta do the same. think of just
yourself even if not your daughter (of course you should think of her
too).
realize that you are a better person than *he* is (he's not a good person)
you are vastly better. And from the letter you got, other people see and
appreciate that. If you get desperately close to suicidal, always call a
suicide hotline or 911. not that you don't already know this.
hang in there, and get stronger.
sorry if this does not help.
take care.
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| User: "aaron from suburbia" |
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22 May 2006 08:28:17 PM |
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148327952.158845.71160@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom," by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
hi Rosena
please don't think of ending it all over some horrible person. I know
how
HORRIBLE things seem. I've been in somewhat similar (yet still very
different) situations, where I wanted to end it all because other people
in
my life turned out to be AWFUL and TOXIC. I try to live for myself now.
not around their poisoneous life. you gotta do the same. think of just
yourself even if not your daughter (of course you should think of her
too).
realize that you are a better person than *he* is (he's not a good person)
you are vastly better. And from the letter you got, other people see and
appreciate that. If you get desperately close to suicidal, always call a
suicide hotline or 911. not that you don't already know this.
hang in there, and get stronger.
sorry if this does not help.
take care.
P.S. I should listen to my -own- advice more! :/
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22 May 2006 08:30:40 PM |
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
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"aaron from suburbia" <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote in message
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148327952.158845.71160@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from
an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness
to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into
class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your
classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom,"
by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be
a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you
and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of
our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
hi Rosena
please don't think of ending it all over some horrible person. I know
how
HORRIBLE things seem. I've been in somewhat similar (yet still very
different) situations, where I wanted to end it all because other people
in
my life turned out to be AWFUL and TOXIC. I try to live for myself
now.
not around their poisoneous life. you gotta do the same. think of just
yourself even if not your daughter (of course you should think of her
too).
realize that you are a better person than *he* is (he's not a good
person)
you are vastly better. And from the letter you got, other people see
and
appreciate that. If you get desperately close to suicidal, always call a
suicide hotline or 911. not that you don't already know this.
hang in there, and get stronger.
sorry if this does not help.
take care.
P.S. I should listen to my -own- advice more! :/
p.s. again. sorry for the double (or triple) post. i hate that about
Outlook Express. grrrr.
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22 May 2006 07:00:14 PM |
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<elystormbringer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased.
Yes, they would.
But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently.
I thought you weren't going to do this any more. Whenever you
communicate with him, you fall a long ways.
Heard how the death of our baby meant nothing . . .
This tells you that he is vermin. I would much rather vermin
disapproved of me than approved of me. If he approved, I'd wonder what
I was doing wrong.
heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Please don't.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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22 May 2006 04:06:21 PM |
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wrote:
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom," by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
A nice letter caused you to feel bad?
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| User: "jill" |
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22 May 2006 05:52:54 PM |
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wrote:
Does anyone understand this. Below is an email I just received from an
old student
Prof.
I graduated Albany Law School this month, and I want you to know how
much I enjoyed your classes (Evidence and The History of Crime and
Punishment). Your passion for learning and teaching (and for your
daughter) is inspirational, as is your ability to combine humor and
compassion with serious study.
The one thing that I most appreciated about you was your willingness to
permit moral, theoretical, and historical questions to enter into class
discussions. It was rare, in my experience at Albany, for a professor
to emphasize not only construction but understanding -- to teach not
only the letter of the law, but the spirit, too. I'd take your classes
again, even with my J.D. in hand.
I am not the only one. Many of my classmates say the same things, and
say how much they missed you this year. Wherever you are, I hope
you're well, and I hope your students know how good they have it.
I always managed to read for pleasure during law school (my grades
probably suffered somewhat because of it) and I still do. It often
makes me think of you. Right now I'm reading "The Road to Serfdom," by
F.A. Hayek, and last month I read "The Tyranny of Good Intentions," by
Paul Craig Roberts. The latter, which is pretty light reading, is a
critique of overzealous prosecutors, and made me think of you
especially. I think to myself "Man, I bet she would like this." I
don't know that for sure, of course, but I think in any case you'd be a
fun person to have in a nerdy book club discussion!
Anyway, thank you for being good at what you do, and for sharing your
gift with Albany Law School for a little while. Best wishes to you and
your family always.
Sincerely,
Adam Spence
This should make me feel good right??? Any sane person would be
pleased. But I feel absolutely suicidal. I am seriously suicidal.
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently. Heard how the death of our
baby meant nothing . . .heard just . . .honest but brutal *****.
I can't "get up" - I can't muster strength, I can't go on. I am so
close even with Maria in the world of shooting myself.
Rosena
It is the whole I am not worthy thing, Self loathing is only
intensifyed by praise sometimes,,
keep this letter and read it again when you have some perspective ,,
its one of the best things I 've read in a long time,,,,,,,
best, jill
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22 May 2006 06:48:09 PM |
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Thanks Jill,
hard right now - just real hard.
R.
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23 May 2006 05:56:41 PM |
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In message <1148327952.158845.71160@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
elystormbringer@gmail.com writes
yes, yes, I had contact with John recently.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "used2be" |
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22 May 2006 07:08:29 PM |
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that is very high praise from your prior student, girl. i'd be honored.
i'm sorry that it's causing you such grief and making you not think
straight. because you CAN'T be thinking straight to even entertain the idea
of killing yourself over that LOSER, john. *sigh*
i know it's not that easy...i understand the desire to end it all. i hope,
for you, it lets up soon. that man is not worth it.
hold on...
~u2b
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