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"Rosena" |
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25 Sep 2005 03:15:17 PM |
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@ Having Hard Time @ |
To start in the middle:
1. Too much work - have to write difficult 10 page paer on postmodern
and modernists theory of history that involves work on Heiddeger and
Nietzsche and my mind is mush and slow. Latin test on Thursday. A book
reeview due on Wednesday. Reading in two classes assigned for now. No
time for Latin review. I am genuinely deeply worried I cannot keep up
and that "it" (life) is over. My game is played, the play has ended -
however the allusion should be framed -- and I am done for. I am
scared.
2. Maria is going insane. She is mean, lazy, and failing in school.
She talks of suicide and depression occassionally, and I am desperate
to get her into talk therapy notwithstaning that I have lost all fait
in it. From my standpoint, I feel I failed her in taking her to Mass
etc., and that my own illness has caused all current problems. I am at
wits end.
3. My arm looks like I was in a massive fire. I do not like to talk
about this on ASD for I do not wish you all to get a picture of me as
an ugly icky woman. But . . I need to speak. Whenever there is
enormous tension I physically react, and terrible wounds appear on my
body. Now it is all over the left arm and there are bloody, raised,
terrible wounds -five at least - that hurt and make me feel . . .
distorted, ugly, used up, near death . . .old.
They look like burns.
So?? Just at a loss - lonley - not able to reach out (no time to reach
out so much work) and distressed. I am tierd of loathing myself and
must escape it but I am trapped in my interior.
Rosena
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: @ Having Hard Time @ |
25 Sep 2005 04:48:59 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Hi Rosena,
2. Maria is going insane. She is mean, lazy, and failing in school.
She talks of suicide and depression occassionally, and I am desperate
to get her into talk therapy notwithstaning that I have lost all fait
in it. From my standpoint, I feel I failed her in taking her to Mass
etc., and that my own illness has caused all current problems. I am at
wits end.
I don't know about the value of talk therapy, I think it can make things
worse. Perhaps some sort of art therapy would be good for her, she sounds
like a creative little demon, artistically bent. If you have Aware 1 in your
address book, she'd be the one to talk to about that.
My other advice will sound weird but - ignore her. Force her to be
independent and to find her own motivation. Talk a little about the value
of education and maybe let her know she should plan on saving, getting a
part time job as soon as she's of age and putting money aside.
Give her a goal and then let her figure it out. Tempt her with some
exposure to what you think her passion is - art, writing, world domination -
whatever it may be - and then expect her to make it on her own. Ignore the
nihilism as much as you safely can.
Jean
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| User: "Rosena" |
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| Title: Re: @ Having Hard Time @ |
25 Sep 2005 06:33:09 PM |
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Great minds think alike :) I am doing exactly what you say. On
brighter side, she is taking drum lessons and I actually put out the
bucks to get her a drum kit - she is pretty good and into it, and we
make regular trips to library and bookstore (books remain a passion)
and we are going to see Weezer and Foo Fighters together (music is big
on her list). Yep, drawing too. She just came in and was real sweet -
she will be thirteen in November and I know it is partly "age". I am
just a bit overwhelmed.
Thanks for as always wonderful advice. How are you and kids?? BTW -
exactly how do you make your lving if you don't mind me asking? I'd say
teacher but I recall something about sales?
xo
Rosena
Luna wrote:
"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Hi Rosena,
2. Maria is going insane. She is mean, lazy, and failing in school.
She talks of suicide and depression occassionally, and I am desperate
to get her into talk therapy notwithstaning that I have lost all fait
in it. From my standpoint, I feel I failed her in taking her to Mass
etc., and that my own illness has caused all current problems. I am at
wits end.
I don't know about the value of talk therapy, I think it can make things
worse. Perhaps some sort of art therapy would be good for her, she sounds
like a creative little demon, artistically bent. If you have Aware 1 in your
address book, she'd be the one to talk to about that.
My other advice will sound weird but - ignore her. Force her to be
independent and to find her own motivation. Talk a little about the value
of education and maybe let her know she should plan on saving, getting a
part time job as soon as she's of age and putting money aside.
Give her a goal and then let her figure it out. Tempt her with some
exposure to what you think her passion is - art, writing, world domination -
whatever it may be - and then expect her to make it on her own. Ignore the
nihilism as much as you safely can.
Jean
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: @ Having Hard Time @ |
25 Sep 2005 07:20:35 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1127691189.130556.266190@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Great minds think alike :) I am doing exactly what you say. On
brighter side, she is taking drum lessons and I actually put out the
bucks to get her a drum kit - she is pretty good and into it, and we
make regular trips to library and bookstore (books remain a passion)
and we are going to see Weezer and Foo Fighters together (music is big
on her list). Yep, drawing too. She just came in and was real sweet -
she will be thirteen in November and I know it is partly "age". I am
just a bit overwhelmed.
Oh, thirteen! Too young for a job, really. I am happy to hear about the
drums, I knew that before - she sounds like an artistic, bright, angsty
girl. Best to get her mad before she gets all black notebook sad. ***** her
off. Provide her with Prismacolor pencils and sketch pads first, though.
Color of angst: Black Grape.
Thanks for as always wonderful advice. How are you and kids?? BTW -
exactly how do you make your lving if you don't mind me asking? I'd say
teacher but I recall something about sales?
I maintain a few websites that sell fine art supplies on Canadian and US
sites on the internet, we also have a store and a wholesale operation in
Canada. I'd be happy to send you a gift certificate to get Maria started.
:) My email is good but I get to provide Maria with an inspirational
message type gift certificate if you decide to take me up on my offer.
Love you Rosena,
Jean
xo
Rosena
Luna wrote:
"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1127679317.067885.67490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
Hi Rosena,
2. Maria is going insane. She is mean, lazy, and failing in school.
She talks of suicide and depression occassionally, and I am desperate
to get her into talk therapy notwithstaning that I have lost all fait
in it. From my standpoint, I feel I failed her in taking her to Mass
etc., and that my own illness has caused all current problems. I am at
wits end.
I don't know about the value of talk therapy, I think it can make things
worse. Perhaps some sort of art therapy would be good for her, she
sounds
like a creative little demon, artistically bent. If you have Aware 1 in
your
address book, she'd be the one to talk to about that.
My other advice will sound weird but - ignore her. Force her to be
independent and to find her own motivation. Talk a little about the
value
of education and maybe let her know she should plan on saving, getting a
part time job as soon as she's of age and putting money aside.
Give her a goal and then let her figure it out. Tempt her with some
exposure to what you think her passion is - art, writing, world
domination -
whatever it may be - and then expect her to make it on her own. Ignore
the
nihilism as much as you safely can.
Jean
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: @ Having Hard Time @ |
25 Sep 2005 04:19:11 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1127679317.067885.67490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
To start in the middle:
Hello, Rosena. It's nice to see you, but I'm sorry you are having
trouble.
1. Too much work - have to write difficult 10 page paer on
postmodern
and modernists theory of history that involves work on Heiddeger and
Nietzsche and my mind is mush and slow. Latin test on Thursday. A
book
reeview due on Wednesday. Reading in two classes assigned for now.
No
time for Latin review. I am genuinely deeply worried I cannot keep
up
and that "it" (life) is over. My game is played, the play has
ended -
however the allusion should be framed -- and I am done for. I am
scared.
This, too, shall pass. Everyone feels like this at times. Eventually,
you get to look back on those times, and realize they are in the past.
2. Maria is going insane. She is mean, lazy, and failing in school.
She talks of suicide and depression occassionally, and I am
desperate
to get her into talk therapy notwithstaning that I have lost all
fait
in it. From my standpoint, I feel I failed her in taking her to
Mass
etc., and that my own illness has caused all current problems. I am
at
wits end.
This is more serious. By all means, take her to a therapist. Since
she's a minor, you don't need her permission (though the more
cooperative she's feeling, the better), which helps.
It's isn't your illness that has caused all the problems. It's life.
Life is full of problems. She would have some no matter what you did,
or where you went. The selection of problems may be context dependent,
but their general availability is not.
3. My arm looks like I was in a massive fire. I do not like to talk
about this on ASD for I do not wish you all to get a picture of me
as
an ugly icky woman. But . . I need to speak. Whenever there is
enormous tension I physically react, and terrible wounds appear on
my
body. Now it is all over the left arm and there are bloody, raised,
terrible wounds -five at least - that hurt and make me feel . . .
distorted, ugly, used up, near death . . .old.
They look like burns.
Good gracious. You sound like a character from your own researches!
Hie the to a doctor immediately. A brief course of steroid medication
might be just the thing. Don't wait.
So?? Just at a loss - lonley - not able to reach out (no time to
reach
out so much work) and distressed. I am tierd of loathing myself and
must escape it but I am trapped in my interior.
I've suggested this before, but now I'm going to, well, suggest it
more loudly: Find a *psychologist* who specializes in *trauma* and
*dissociative disorders.* This is an unusual area of specialization,
and not one that most handle. Talk therapy of the wrong type isn't
going to (and didn't) do you any good.
Get a move on, girl!
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Rosena" |
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| Title: Re: @ Having Hard Time @ |
25 Sep 2005 06:40:41 PM |
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Hi Nom,
Good to see you too! I told Jean that I would get into talk therapy
here, and I am going to. Just three weeks in and not settled on
schedule yet to do, but you are right, it has to be someone who
specializes. I never thought of steroid treatment . . . what kind of
doctor should I see?? A skin doctor or just a regular GP? I am at a
loss and it is so ugly and painful (yep, right of my research eh? I
SWEAR no connection Freud)
How are you??
P.S. I know Maria is just going through pre-teen angst - but I am not
great at coping with it. Wednesday is my birthday and we will go out
just the two of us for a nice dinner - I love her so much. Just hard
to see her suffer. But she has made some very nice friends so I am not
completely in despair for her.
Best
me
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| User: "Used2be" |
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| Title: Re: @ Having Hard Time @ |
26 Sep 2005 09:07:42 AM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote
P.S. I know Maria is just going through pre-teen angst -
to be honest, it sounds like a bit more than "pre-teen" angst, rosena. get
that baby some HELP!!!!!
wishing things were better,
u2b
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: @ Having Hard Time @ |
25 Sep 2005 10:34:57 PM |
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Nom dePlume <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1127679317.067885.67490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hello, Rosena. It's nice to see you, but I'm sorry you are having
trouble.
Second that. I forgot to say -- it's good to hear from you.
I've suggested this before, but now I'm going to, well, suggest it
more loudly: Find a *psychologist* who specializes in *trauma* and
*dissociative disorders.* This is an unusual area of specialization,
and not one that most handle. Talk therapy of the wrong type isn't
going to (and didn't) do you any good.
Trauma and dissociative disorders, betrayal and bonding.
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "millipede man" |
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25 Sep 2005 04:39:33 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1127679317.067885.67490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
To start in the middle:
1. Too much work - have to write difficult 10 page paer on postmodern
and modernists theory of history that involves work on Heiddeger and
Nietzsche and my mind is mush and slow. Latin test on Thursday. A book
reeview due on Wednesday. Reading in two classes assigned for now. No
time for Latin review. I am genuinely deeply worried I cannot keep up
and that "it" (life) is over. My game is played, the play has ended -
however the allusion should be framed -- and I am done for. I am
scared.
You have accomplished so much in the past. Why do you think you will fail
this time? Even if this should be too much for you, you will probably be
able to find another career path that will be a better fit.
2. Maria is going insane. She is mean, lazy, and failing in school.
She talks of suicide and depression occassionally, and I am desperate
to get her into talk therapy notwithstaning that I have lost all fait
in it. From my standpoint, I feel I failed her in taking her to Mass
etc., and that my own illness has caused all current problems. I am at
wits end.
I think this needs immediate attention. I don't know if it would be helpful,
but have you considered family therapy? If her problems are related to
yours, that might be a useful option.
3. My arm looks like I was in a massive fire. I do not like to talk
about this on ASD for I do not wish you all to get a picture of me as
an ugly icky woman. But . . I need to speak. Whenever there is
enormous tension I physically react, and terrible wounds appear on my
body. Now it is all over the left arm and there are bloody, raised,
terrible wounds -five at least - that hurt and make me feel . . .
distorted, ugly, used up, near death . . .old.
They look like burns.
Isn't there anything the doctors can do about this? If it is caused by
stress, maybe you have to find a way to cope better with the stress, or
change to less stressful circumstances?
So?? Just at a loss - lonley - not able to reach out (no time to reach
out so much work) and distressed. I am tierd of loathing myself and
must escape it but I am trapped in my interior.
Rosena
I see no reason why you should loath yourself.
Best wishes,
Millipede Man
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| User: "Rosena" |
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25 Sep 2005 06:36:27 PM |
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Hi you! What a nice reply. Thank you. I just finished one project so
a bit better. Need more to do lists like you - one thing at a time eh?
How are you?? I think of you often and hope you are doing okay. How
are the mils?
Best
Rosena
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| User: "millipede man" |
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25 Sep 2005 07:34:11 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hi you! What a nice reply. Thank you. I just finished one project so
a bit better.
Good.
Need more to do lists like you - one thing at a time eh?
How are you?? I think of you often and hope you are doing okay. How
are the mils?
The millis are fine - better than me. They probably never get anxious or
depressed. They have become used to me, so they aren't particularly afraid
of me any more, either.
- millipede man
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| User: "jill" |
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26 Sep 2005 10:06:26 AM |
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Hey you, Be strong, try to keep some prespective , you been thru
worse. You can do it. Repeat after me "I am woman"!!!
Does Maria like to read? There is a book by Laurie Halse Anderson.
It's called Speak. Its a story about a 9th grader who has a
traumatic experience and a crazy home life. She finds her voice in the
end of the story. Maybe you could order that for maria from amazon?
reading can be a way thru.
I read these books , I am hoplessly immature.
I will be hoping good things for you!! jill
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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26 Sep 2005 11:26:55 AM |
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"jill" <janeohara50@msn.com> wrote in message
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Hey you, Be strong, try to keep some prespective , you been thru
worse. You can do it. Repeat after me "I am woman"!!!
Does Maria like to read? There is a book by Laurie Halse Anderson.
It's called Speak. Its a story about a 9th grader who has a
traumatic experience and a crazy home life. She finds her voice in the
end of the story. Maybe you could order that for maria from amazon?
reading can be a way thru.
I read these books , I am hoplessly immature.
I will be hoping good things for you!! jill
Oh! That's an excellent book and suggestion. Good on you Jill! Hope
things smooth out Rosena. If your young'un wants to talk about drawing or
art she can e-mail me. :)
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
The Labyrinth
http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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25 Sep 2005 10:30:13 PM |
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Rosena <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
To start in the middle:
1. Too much work - have to write difficult 10 page paer on postmodern
and modernists theory of history that involves work on Heiddeger and
Nietzsche and my mind is mush and slow.
This is a *major* current contribution to your current state.
Nietszche and Heidegger. Pathology rampant IMO (and in the
O's of those much better than I) Nietszche picked up on the
trickster stylist aspect of Plato, being unfortunately a
classicist of competence.
2. Maria is going insane. She is mean, lazy, and failing in school.
:-(
3. My arm looks like I was in a massive fire. I do not like to talk
about this on ASD for I do not wish you all to get a picture of me as
an ugly icky woman. But . . I need to speak. Whenever there is
enormous tension I physically react, and terrible wounds appear on my
body.
just bc it's psychogenic doesn't mean it can't be treated.
and you are not the only one.
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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