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"Rosena" |
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09 Apr 2005 05:49:19 PM |
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@ One of those "updates" @ |
So, if I went to a therapist and she/he was trying to understand the
last 7 or 8 days and asked questions, don't know exactly how to explain
jumble of feelings and thoughts . . .
So Thursday was still depressed and brain-mixed-up (don't know another
phrase) from communication with John last week. BTW, if you do not
like reading about someone struggling through a mire of *****, don't
read further.
But, I felt proud got it back together enough to teach two good classes
Wednesday. So said, shaky or not, going to conference in Sewanee TN.
Went with scooter, landed Nashville, rented car drove the distance,
showed up and did paper, attended three different sessions and went to
the dinner. Got home a few moments ago.
Yes, left a day early to get together for class and nurse my depression
a bit more. Yes, kept hoping John would respond etc. etc. (beyond curt
"I am not callous to the seriousness of your surgery" then silence).
Checked email. But STILL, I did do it and was functional and
"together" (thg so shy at these things). Several history professors
said thrilled with hearing Robin Hood paper, and yeah, I felt a bit of
lift.
So, now I am home and I am clearly much much better than last week.
There is distance again -- not the sense of immediacy I was feeling
that nullified the passage of 8 years -- and that distance lets me gain
some perspective beyond just feeling hurt. So, I think I can refrain
from writing or replying again. It also became clear to me that when I
am involved talking to others with like interests and such and act - I
am - much much healthier. It is isolation that contributes a large
part to my inability to "get on."
That being said, I had a long serious talk with my ex who has witnessed
all and who has known me for 25 years intimately and knows all details
of my history (which I can't bring myself to share on ASD) and the talk
scared me. He said, in his most objective and considered judgment, he
thinks that at some point I will committ suicide in some quiet way if I
do not find a way to mend my heartbreak about John in a real kick *****,
solid closure, inner turn, kind of way.
I sense why he says this. He knows the emotional details and particular
texture of that relationship and what bonds were formed and why . . .
so we both think that maybe I have to once again try to find a
therapist -- not a counsler or social worker - but a good
psychoanalyist to break through what I seem compelled to resist. For
Maria's sake, as well as my own, I guess I will do this soon after
surgery.
What I am most in distress about concerning John right now is that
someone I love appears to not only have used me to be truly and deeply
indifferent to whether I am alive or dead. I faced this indifference
with my father who loved to harm me in unmentionable ways but who never
cared a twit for me til the day he died. My mom signing me away and
cutting me from her will crushed me. So I put all that childish trust
here -- in John - and the grief is from not being cared about by the
one I thought did care.
Other people come to grips with people hating them or wishing them
dead. They hurt but move on and do not mentally collaspe because of it.
I need these skills.
But - today is better than last Saturday. And all I can think of is
having some time with Maria and perhaps to doing some research tonight.
I MUST learn to accept what I cannot change, and DAMN'T I will in the
end somehow. So that is my update, sorry so long.
Rosena
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| User: "Catybu" |
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| Title: Re: @ One of those "updates" @ |
09 Apr 2005 07:07:21 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1113086959.699876.128130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
So, if I went to a therapist and she/he was trying to understand the
last 7 or 8 days and asked questions, don't know exactly how to explain
jumble of feelings and thoughts . . .
So Thursday was still depressed and brain-mixed-up (don't know another
phrase) from communication with John last week. BTW, if you do not
like reading about someone struggling through a mire of *****, don't
read further.
But, I felt proud got it back together enough to teach two good classes
Wednesday. So said, shaky or not, going to conference in Sewanee TN.
Went with scooter, landed Nashville, rented car drove the distance,
showed up and did paper, attended three different sessions and went to
the dinner. Got home a few moments ago.
Yes, left a day early to get together for class and nurse my depression
a bit more. Yes, kept hoping John would respond etc. etc. (beyond curt
"I am not callous to the seriousness of your surgery" then silence).
Checked email. But STILL, I did do it and was functional and
"together" (thg so shy at these things). Several history professors
said thrilled with hearing Robin Hood paper, and yeah, I felt a bit of
lift.
So, now I am home and I am clearly much much better than last week.
There is distance again -- not the sense of immediacy I was feeling
that nullified the passage of 8 years -- and that distance lets me gain
some perspective beyond just feeling hurt. So, I think I can refrain
from writing or replying again. It also became clear to me that when I
am involved talking to others with like interests and such and act - I
am - much much healthier. It is isolation that contributes a large
part to my inability to "get on."
That being said, I had a long serious talk with my ex who has witnessed
all and who has known me for 25 years intimately and knows all details
of my history (which I can't bring myself to share on ASD) and the talk
scared me. He said, in his most objective and considered judgment, he
thinks that at some point I will committ suicide in some quiet way if I
do not find a way to mend my heartbreak about John in a real kick *****,
solid closure, inner turn, kind of way.
I sense why he says this. He knows the emotional details and particular
texture of that relationship and what bonds were formed and why . . .
so we both think that maybe I have to once again try to find a
therapist -- not a counsler or social worker - but a good
psychoanalyist to break through what I seem compelled to resist. For
Maria's sake, as well as my own, I guess I will do this soon after
surgery.
What I am most in distress about concerning John right now is that
someone I love appears to not only have used me to be truly and deeply
indifferent to whether I am alive or dead. I faced this indifference
with my father who loved to harm me in unmentionable ways but who never
cared a twit for me til the day he died. My mom signing me away and
cutting me from her will crushed me. So I put all that childish trust
here -- in John - and the grief is from not being cared about by the
one I thought did care.
Other people come to grips with people hating them or wishing them
dead. They hurt but move on and do not mentally collaspe because of it.
I need these skills.
But - today is better than last Saturday. And all I can think of is
having some time with Maria and perhaps to doing some research tonight.
I MUST learn to accept what I cannot change, and DAMN'T I will in the
end somehow. So that is my update, sorry so long.
Rosena
I know that it is hard but you I'm glad you were able to get through the
classes and the conference. You should be proud of yourself. I hope you
are able to find a good therapist to help you work through these issues.
You have come a long way.
--
"What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind.
Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is."
(Dan Quayle)
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| User: "Rosena" |
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| Title: Re: @ One of those "updates" @ |
09 Apr 2005 07:16:41 PM |
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Thanks Catybu. It is nice to come home and check in with ASD, and read
everyone. Hope all goes well with you.
Rosena
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ One of those "updates" @ |
09 Apr 2005 05:54:03 PM |
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On 9 Apr 2005 15:49:19 -0700, "Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
->
->So, if I went to a therapist and she/he was trying to understand the
->last 7 or 8 days and asked questions, don't know exactly how to explain
->jumble of feelings and thoughts . . .
->
->So Thursday was still depressed and brain-mixed-up (don't know another
->phrase) from communication with John last week. BTW, if you do not
->like reading about someone struggling through a mire of *****, don't
->read further.
->
->But, I felt proud got it back together enough to teach two good classes
->Wednesday. So said, shaky or not, going to conference in Sewanee TN.
->Went with scooter, landed Nashville, rented car drove the distance,
->showed up and did paper, attended three different sessions and went to
->the dinner. Got home a few moments ago.
->
->Yes, left a day early to get together for class and nurse my depression
->a bit more. Yes, kept hoping John would respond etc. etc. (beyond curt
->"I am not callous to the seriousness of your surgery" then silence).
->Checked email. But STILL, I did do it and was functional and
->"together" (thg so shy at these things). Several history professors
->said thrilled with hearing Robin Hood paper, and yeah, I felt a bit of
->lift.
->
->So, now I am home and I am clearly much much better than last week.
->There is distance again -- not the sense of immediacy I was feeling
->that nullified the passage of 8 years -- and that distance lets me gain
->some perspective beyond just feeling hurt. So, I think I can refrain
->from writing or replying again. It also became clear to me that when I
->am involved talking to others with like interests and such and act - I
->am - much much healthier. It is isolation that contributes a large
->part to my inability to "get on."
->
->That being said, I had a long serious talk with my ex who has witnessed
->all and who has known me for 25 years intimately and knows all details
->of my history (which I can't bring myself to share on ASD) and the talk
->scared me. He said, in his most objective and considered judgment, he
->thinks that at some point I will committ suicide in some quiet way if I
->do not find a way to mend my heartbreak about John in a real kick *****,
->solid closure, inner turn, kind of way.
->
->I sense why he says this. He knows the emotional details and particular
->texture of that relationship and what bonds were formed and why . . .
->so we both think that maybe I have to once again try to find a
->therapist -- not a counsler or social worker - but a good
->psychoanalyist to break through what I seem compelled to resist. For
->Maria's sake, as well as my own, I guess I will do this soon after
->surgery.
->
->What I am most in distress about concerning John right now is that
->someone I love appears to not only have used me to be truly and deeply
->indifferent to whether I am alive or dead. I faced this indifference
->with my father who loved to harm me in unmentionable ways but who never
->cared a twit for me til the day he died. My mom signing me away and
->cutting me from her will crushed me. So I put all that childish trust
->here -- in John - and the grief is from not being cared about by the
->one I thought did care.
->
->Other people come to grips with people hating them or wishing them
->dead. They hurt but move on and do not mentally collaspe because of it.
->I need these skills.
->
->But - today is better than last Saturday. And all I can think of is
->having some time with Maria and perhaps to doing some research tonight.
-> I MUST learn to accept what I cannot change, and DAMN'T I will in the
->end somehow. So that is my update, sorry so long.
Wow. This is amazing.
You're halfway there. To freedom.
Good work. I'll keep you in my thoughts.
--
I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
- %
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| User: "Rosena" |
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| Title: Re: @ One of those "updates" @ |
09 Apr 2005 06:02:58 PM |
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Thanks Claudia - hope you are doing okay too. Saw that you said you
signed up for school?? That is great.
Rosena
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ One of those "updates" @ |
09 Apr 2005 06:51:36 PM |
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On 9 Apr 2005 16:02:58 -0700, "Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
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->Thanks Claudia - hope you are doing okay too. Saw that you said you
->signed up for school?? That is great.
->
->Rosena
Yep. Classes registered, grants in place. Have a big headache
coming. Asking State Voc. Rehab. for assistance with books ($175).
They seem to think I should be content with an $8/hr. job for the rest
of my life. I disagree.
I am glad to give praise as well as criticism. Carry on.
--
I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
- %
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: @ One of those "updates" @ |
10 Apr 2005 12:29:03 AM |
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Rosena <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
So Thursday was still depressed and brain-mixed-up (don't know another
phrase) from communication with John last week.
Yes, I believe it. And am not scolding you for the attempt,
bc I know a bit about breaking those bonds. Umm, have you
tried the Carnes book? Hint hint.
But, I felt proud got it back together enough to teach two good classes
Wednesday.
And me? You do an amazing amount of work for one suffering
with the betrayal you have to live with you know.
So, now I am home and I am clearly much much better than last week.
There is distance again -- not the sense of immediacy I was feeling
that nullified the passage of 8 years
Time is cyclical not just linear. One ends up "near" to an event
that happened years ago. Actually there's all sorts of mathematical
analogies possible. So, this episode this week happened. It's
not a sign you are a failure, it's a sign that you are umm alive
or something.
do not find a way to mend my heartbreak about John in a real kick *****,
solid closure, inner turn, kind of way.
That's ummm scary. Hope you can find the way, I need you!
What I am most in distress about concerning John right now is that
someone I love appears to not only have used me to be truly and deeply
indifferent to whether I am alive or dead. I faced this indifference
with my father who loved to harm me in unmentionable ways but who never
cared a twit for me til the day he died. My mom signing me away and
cutting me from her will crushed me. So I put all that childish trust
here -- in John - and the grief is from not being cared about by the
one I thought did care.
Yes. I had an episode of being reminded of lovelessness, ppl who
say they do but don't (not romantic at all) today too. But not
as bad as yours.
Other people come to grips with people hating them or wishing them
dead. They hurt but move on and do not mentally collaspe because of it.
I need these skills.
Don't compare your insides with other ppl's outsides. But keeping
on keeping on is a good thing to learn how to do.
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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