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31 Oct 2005 06:31:14 PM |
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100, 000 dead - civilains |
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
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| User: "slunky" |
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| Title: Re: 100, 000 dead - civilains |
31 Oct 2005 06:36:26 PM |
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On 2005-11-01, <literallypours@yahoo.com> crapped this out:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs Americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
In Soviet Russia, bombs drop you!
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| User: "Brianversion" |
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31 Oct 2005 07:35:27 PM |
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slunky wrote:
On 2005-11-01, <literallypours@yahoo.com> crapped this out:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs Americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
In Soviet Russia, bombs drop you!
Is that a Simpsons thing? I love that show. That was when they went
to Branson.
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| User: "slunky" |
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31 Oct 2005 07:48:38 PM |
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On 2005-11-01, Brianversion <brianguitar@gmail.com> wrote this gem:
Is that a Simpsons thing? I love that show. That was when they went
to Branson.
It's actually a reference to comedian Yakov Smirnoff (sp?) who used to
bits like that, but yes in that episode of The Simpsons they're making a
reference to the same person.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: 100, 000 dead - civilains |
31 Oct 2005 07:29:37 PM |
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On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
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| User: "Used2be" |
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| Title: Re: 100, 000 dead - civilains |
31 Oct 2005 08:25:02 PM |
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"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many subjects. it
just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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02 Nov 2005 12:35:38 AM |
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In message <2mA9f.61568$GQ.49445@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Used2be
<used2be@nowhere.com> writes
"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many subjects. it
just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
The lowest figure I've seen is still tens of thousands of non-combatant
deaths. Imagine if the war was being in fought in Texas...
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: 100, 000 dead - civilains |
31 Oct 2005 08:40:43 PM |
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On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many subjects. it
just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
Doesn't matter when they're buying and selling lives. One is too many.
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| User: "Used2be" |
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31 Oct 2005 08:56:17 PM |
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"Bev Thornton" <1031184013.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdle1.mjb.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many subjects.
it
just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
Doesn't matter when they're buying and selling lives. One is too many.
spoken like a true liberal...
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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01 Nov 2005 03:38:19 AM |
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On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031184013.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdle1.mjb.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many
subjects. it just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
Doesn't matter when they're buying and selling lives. One is too many.
spoken like a true liberal...
It's not a matter of politics. Buying and selling is business and living
and dying is life. Oil is not worth anyone's life.
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| User: "jill" |
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| Title: Re: 100, 000 dead - civilains |
01 Nov 2005 09:56:31 AM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031184013.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdle1.mjb.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many
subjects. it just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
Doesn't matter when they're buying and selling lives. One is too many.
spoken like a true liberal...
It's not a matter of politics. Buying and selling is business and living
and dying is life. Oil is not worth anyone's life.
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there is so much blood in the ground over there it must be red dirt
everywhere. jill
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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02 Nov 2005 12:33:53 AM |
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In message <1130860591.860074.247520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, jill
<janeohara50@msn.com> writes
Bev Thornton wrote:
On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031184013.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdle1.mjb.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many
subjects. it just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
Doesn't matter when they're buying and selling lives. One is too many.
spoken like a true liberal...
It's not a matter of politics. Buying and selling is business and living
and dying is life. Oil is not worth anyone's life.
there is so much blood in the ground over there it must be red dirt
everywhere. jill
I don't know the most blood-stained piece of land on earth, but the
French and Germans lost over a million men each fighting for Verdun in
1916. The battlefield wasn't more than a few square miles across. The
Salient near Ypres in Belgium had three major battles during that war,
and was fought over for four years.
These days life has a much higher value, in the West, though not yet
high enough.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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01 Nov 2005 01:57:38 PM |
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On 2005-11-01, jill wrote:
there is so much blood in the ground over there it must be red dirt
everywhere. jill
Oh, things can get worse. Syria and Iran are both in the paths of the
planned pipelines.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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02 Nov 2005 03:07:56 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:25:02 +0000, Used2be wrote:
"Bev Thornton" <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net> wrote in message
news:slrndmdh8n.jdo.1.4.bev@xoxy.net...
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
yes, a great many of the statistics have been greatly exaggerated by
politicians and/or the media. on both sides. on a great many subjects.
it just depends on "who" is trying to sell "what" that day.
During the first gulf war the official Iraqi death toll was estimated to
be less than 30,000... turns out it was really around 150,000.
It's easy to keep the numbers low when you stop counting.
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political stance... A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys
the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of
security while you're being screwed.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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02 Nov 2005 06:50:37 PM |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:07:56 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
During the first gulf war the official Iraqi death toll was estimated to
be less than 30,000... turns out it was really around 150,000.
I always forget the conversion rate. How many Iraqi lives does it take to
equal one American life?
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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03 Nov 2005 01:54:40 AM |
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In message <clnim1tf2vtkivcjdpnqtoqkrcclfog5p7@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:07:56 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
During the first gulf war the official Iraqi death toll was estimated to
be less than 30,000... turns out it was really around 150,000.
I always forget the conversion rate. How many Iraqi lives does it take to
equal one American life?
They were called gooks in Vietnam. What are the current dehumanising
words? I'm assuming the US and UK troops have different ones.
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just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "slunky" |
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03 Nov 2005 03:37:39 PM |
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On 2005-11-03, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote this gem:
They were called gooks in Vietnam. What are the current dehumanising
words?
I've heard towel-heads and sand niggers. I don't use these though. I'd
rather just refer to people by their nationality. (Iraqi)
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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03 Nov 2005 06:13:47 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:54:40 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
They were called gooks in Vietnam. What are the current dehumanising
words? I'm assuming the US and UK troops have different ones.
I believe "Camel Jockey" and "Towel Head" are the officially accepted
terms. Many of the lighter skinned troops call them "Sand Niggers", but
it's frowned upon by the brass because it might offend black troops.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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04 Nov 2005 01:13:35 AM |
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In message <vo9lm157o7svgfrl9oloceg6ag7539on28@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:54:40 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
They were called gooks in Vietnam. What are the current dehumanising
words? I'm assuming the US and UK troops have different ones.
I believe "Camel Jockey" and "Towel Head" are the officially accepted
terms. Many of the lighter skinned troops call them "Sand Niggers", but
it's frowned upon by the brass because it might offend black troops.
Towel head has been used by racists here for decades. Maybe it goes back
as far as world war 2's North African campaign.
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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03 Nov 2005 10:39:35 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:50:37 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:07:56 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
During the first gulf war the official Iraqi death toll was estimated to
be less than 30,000... turns out it was really around 150,000.
I always forget the conversion rate. How many Iraqi lives does it take
to equal one American life?
Apparently quite a few.
The exchange rate that bothers me is how many Iraqi civilians are worth
one terrorist/insurgent/suspected bad guy?
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The U.S. Government today announced that it is changing its emblem from an
Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's
political stance... A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys
the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of
security while you're being screwed.
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| User: "Charles" |
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01 Nov 2005 01:08:03 AM |
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On 01 Nov 2005 01:29:37 GMT, Bev Thornton <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net>
wrote:
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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01 Nov 2005 03:41:57 AM |
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On 2005-11-01, Charles wrote:
On 01 Nov 2005 01:29:37 GMT, Bev Thornton <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net>
wrote:
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
Hmmm, I can't find the Lancet article, but it seems that the 100,000
figure includes all deaths where the figure on iraqbodycount indicates
those directly attributable to and reported as caused by the combat.
Infant mortality increases, for instance.
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| User: "Charles" |
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01 Nov 2005 10:40:27 AM |
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On 01 Nov 2005 09:41:57 GMT, Bev Thornton <1101013845.4.bev@xoxy.net>
wrote:
On 2005-11-01, Charles wrote:
On 01 Nov 2005 01:29:37 GMT, Bev Thornton <1031172817.4.bev@xoxy.net>
wrote:
On 2005-11-01, wrote:
civilains dead Iraq the majority of which are civilians dead by the
50,000 bombs americans used (I won't capitlize it, doesn't deserve")
Where is the figure of 100,000 published?
<http://www.iraqbodycount.net/> shows twenty-six to thirty thousand.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
Hmmm, I can't find the Lancet article, but it seems that the 100,000
figure includes all deaths where the figure on iraqbodycount indicates
those directly attributable to and reported as caused by the combat.
Infant mortality increases, for instance.
Lancet article is proported to be here:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673604174412/fulltext
The site requires login, but says it is free. I didn't go there.
Weren't there something like 50,000 Iraki childred starving every
month due to the embargo before the invasion? Some number like that
sticks in my head.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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01 Nov 2005 02:18:30 PM |
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On 2005-11-01, Charles wrote:
Lancet article is proported to be here:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673604174412/fulltext
The site requires login, but says it is free. I didn't go there.
I tried to register but got a 404.
Weren't there something like 50,000 Iraki childred starving every
month due to the embargo before the invasion? Some number like that
sticks in my head.
I think it was around three to five thousand. But, it got worse since
then. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4395525.stm>
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