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11 Jun 2004 01:49:53 PM |
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16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
The following is from a mailing list from Advocates for Self-Government, a
Libertarian group (http://www.theadvocates.org/). BTW, if you visit that
site, be sure to take The World's Smallest Political Quiz.
Over 7 million children are in non-government schooling---
about 5.25 million conventional private and religious
schools, and 2 million in home schools.
Every parent who refuses to allow the state to school
his/her children wins a victory for quality education and
the cause of freedom from government school indoctrination.
If you're glad these parents have separated **their**
families from state schooling, you might get as excited as
I am about this development:
The largest Protestant denomination in America---Southern
Baptists, with 16 million members---will be voting next
week on a resolution calling on their members to remove
their children from government schools!
It's very consideration is already causing the beginning
of a stir: Favorable articles have shown up in the Boston
Globe, the Wall Street Journal, WorldNetDaily, the
Washington Times. And the O'Reilly Factor is trying to
schedule one of the Baptists who submitted the resolution.
And vastly more attention would undoubtedly result if the
Southern Baptists actually pass a "get the kids out"
resolution. This will be so appalling to the mainstream
news that "Mr. Dan" Rather will be whining on the 6:00 news
and "60 Minutes" is sure to do a hit piece.
Pray for a slow news week and Time and Newsweek might make
it a cover story, full of dire predictions of the demise
of America if the Baptists pull their 4 million children
from the schools.
If you're not a Southern Baptist, or a Protestant, or even
a Christian, you may think this has nothing to do with
you, but it does.
1) You probably know people who are Southern Baptists, or
2) For sure, you know people who belong to other
denominations that might be interested in passing a
similar resolution in the future in their group.
This could be an important new front in the fight for
educational choice. Religious and denominational
differences should not divide us in our common desire to
expand school choice ... ending federal interference in
local schools and taking a major step toward making all
schooling private.
I am setting up a new organization---initially as part of
the Alliance for Separation of School & State---to promote
this concept in other groups.
We call it GetTheKidsOut.org.
What can you do TODAY to help move the Baptists in the
freedom-in-schooling direction?
1) send this email to everybody on your personal email
list who is religious, or likes the freedom philosophy, or
both. Ask them to send it to their friends.
2) post this email to any online newsgroups or discussion
forums you frequent.
3) CALL any Southern Baptists you know and urge them to
advise any "Messengers" (SOBAPT lingo for delegates to
their convention in Indianapolis next week) of this
resolution.
4) visit www.GetTheKidsOut.org and sign up for the monthly
online update on Get The Kids Out.
Thank you for reading this. I get too much email, too. :-)
But this is important and URGENT.
Yours,
Marshall Fritz
Interim Director, GetTheKidsOut.org
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Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes and cannot
tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What
we continually think about eventually will manifest in our lives.
- Sidney Madwed
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 12:48:08 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
Thomas
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 01:59:11 AM |
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"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, an unborn child has committed no crime??????
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 02:01:22 AM |
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"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> squeezed her knees together and
said ,
hold the chicken
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| User: "used2be" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 02:15:23 AM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> spewed out
"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> squeezed her knees together and
said ,
hold the chicken
that's totally disgusting.
:-P
god, someone make me go to bed!!!!!!
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 02:25:32 AM |
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"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> wrote in message , i'll show you
my boobies
"%" <surfs@uniserve> gallantly offerd this info
"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> squeezed her knees together
and
said ,
hold the chicken
that's totally disgusting.
:-P
god, someone make me go to bed!!!!!!
well you did it
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| User: "used2be" |
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15 Jun 2004 02:34:12 AM |
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"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:10ct94nkcslmtf1@corp.supernews.com...
"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> wrote in message , i'll show you
my boobies
now i KNOW i never said THAT!
"%" <surfs@uniserve> gallantly offerd this info
yeah, right...
"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> squeezed her knees together
and
said ,
hold the chicken
that's totally disgusting.
:-P
god, someone make me go to bed!!!!!!
well you did it
did what?
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 02:45:42 AM |
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"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> >wrote : and mine are the biggest
did what?
you just did it without even saying
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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15 Jun 2004 09:19:15 AM |
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"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> wrote:
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:2j7gpmFuitu6U1@uni-berlin.de...
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, an unborn child has committed no crime??????
That is an opinion, not a fact. The unborn is too young and too
unconscious to be guilty of any crime, but it does cause the
pregnant woman quite some pain and other hardships which,
when intentionally caused by an adult, would be consider serious crimes.
But thats not the main point, the main points are all those innocents
executed for crimes they did not commit, or even for crimes which
do not exist, and that somebody who is imprisoned does not
cause any harm, and thus there is no reason to execute
that person other than bloodlust and revenge.
Thomas
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 04:21:40 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:19:15 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> wrote:
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:2j7gpmFuitu6U1@uni-berlin.de...
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, an unborn child has committed no crime??????
That is an opinion, not a fact. The unborn is too young and too
unconscious to be guilty of any crime, but it does cause the
pregnant woman quite some pain and other hardships which,
when intentionally caused by an adult, would be consider serious crimes.
That would really be the fault of the people who had sex, wouldn't it?
But thats not the main point, the main points are all those innocents
executed for crimes they did not commit, or even for crimes which
do not exist, and that somebody who is imprisoned does not
cause any harm, and thus there is no reason to execute
that person other than bloodlust and revenge.
I'm usually all for bloodlust and revenge... But the mistakes are what
makes me against the death penalty. "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" has been
a failure as the standard too many times, as DNA evidence is now showing.
Not to mention the fact that serving up the death penalty is, on average,
much more expensive than life in prison.
--
REASONABLE, adj. Accessible to the infection of our own opinions.
Hospitable to persuasion, dissuasion and evasion.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
16 Jun 2004 01:52:53 AM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:19:15 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> wrote:
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:2j7gpmFuitu6U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, an unborn child has committed no crime??????
That is an opinion, not a fact. The unborn is too young and too
unconscious to be guilty of any crime, but it does cause the
pregnant woman quite some pain and other hardships which,
when intentionally caused by an adult, would be consider serious crimes.
That would really be the fault of the people who had sex, wouldn't it?
Having sex is normal behaviour for adults. Any legal or ethical
approach which effectively requires adults not to have sex for
years simply because they cannot afford to raise children
is absurd. There is no obligation not to have sex.
Feel free to outlaw abortion for those few idiots who are
too stupid to use contraception - but they cause only
about half the unwanted pregnancies, and slightly less than
half of all abortions in the US and Western Europe.
I'm usually all for bloodlust and revenge... But the mistakes are what
makes me against the death penalty. "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" has been
a failure as the standard too many times, as DNA evidence is now showing.
There is a fundamental problem there: for any horrible crimes,
there is an incredible pressure on police forces, the prosecution,
judges, juries, and later on appeals courts and governors.
The police forces have to find the perpetrators, hence they will
present somebody as the criminal, even on thin or contradictory
evidence, or on very dubious evidence like testimony of
professional criminals who want to improve the outcome of
their own criminal trial. When not having much evidence,
police forces also might use torture to enforce confessions.
Ever heard of high profile cases where the prosecution did not
go to trial because they doubted that they had the right guy?
And the trials themselves frequently turn from detailed
evaluations of evidence into evaluations of the defendant's character.
Not to mention the fact that serving up the death penalty is, on average,
much more expensive than life in prison.
Thats an important point. The uninformed think that the death penalty
saves taxpayers' money. It does not.
Thomas
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
17 Jun 2004 03:06:01 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:52:53 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:19:15 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"used2be" <cindyb@ERASETHISaustin.rr.com> wrote:
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:2j7gpmFuitu6U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, an unborn child has committed no crime??????
That is an opinion, not a fact. The unborn is too young and too
unconscious to be guilty of any crime, but it does cause the
pregnant woman quite some pain and other hardships which,
when intentionally caused by an adult, would be consider serious crimes.
That would really be the fault of the people who had sex, wouldn't it?
Having sex is normal behaviour for adults. Any legal or ethical
approach which effectively requires adults not to have sex for
years simply because they cannot afford to raise children
is absurd. There is no obligation not to have sex.
Pregnancy is normal behavior when sperm meets egg, they hit it off, and
decide to become homesteaders in the uterus. Wait, but your standard that
isn't just a crime on the part of those having sex, it's a criminal
conspiracy. In America that would be two charges.
How about this. A normal child sustains a head injury on the playground
leaving him retarded and in need of a much greater level of care and
supervision. Would you support the parents right to euthanize him?
Flashfire would.
Feel free to outlaw abortion for those few idiots who are
too stupid to use contraception - but they cause only
about half the unwanted pregnancies, and slightly less than
half of all abortions in the US and Western Europe.
What about all the idiots who don't know that contraception isn't 100%
reliable, while knowing full well that abstinence, or oral sex even, is?
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We are here on earth to do good to others. What the others are here for
I don't know.
- W. H. Auden (1907-1973)
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15 Jun 2004 04:15:14 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:48:08 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
How can you oppose slavery but support jailing criminals? It's the same
argument.
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My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the
letters get in the wrong places.
- A. A. Milne (1882-1958)
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16 Jun 2004 01:08:29 AM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:48:08 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
How can you oppose slavery but support jailing criminals?
I oppose enslaving criminals. If you can't see the difference
between prison and slavery, I can't help you.
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
Thomas
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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17 Jun 2004 02:52:20 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:08:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:48:08 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
How can you oppose slavery but support jailing criminals?
I oppose enslaving criminals. If you can't see the difference
between prison and slavery, I can't help you.
And you obviously can't make sense of a simple comparison.
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
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IMPIETY, n. Your irreverence toward my deity.
- Ambrose Bierce
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17 Jun 2004 02:56:42 PM |
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CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
--
Claudia Engel (no emails please)
Rule #1: Don't ***** off the borderline when she's forgot her meds again...
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18 Jun 2004 12:53:23 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:56:42 GMT, Claudia Engel <engelchen@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
Exactly. I think some people miss the basic idea of three strikes laws.
In essence they are laws that make being a habitual criminal a crime in and
of itself.
It's pretty much the same as habitual offender laws for traffic violations.
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LOW-BRED, adj. "Raised" instead of brought up.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
27 Jun 2004 03:30:46 AM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:08:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
If the maximum sentence for theft is 25 years, then a three strike
laws leads to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
There is no huge black market where a few stolen pizza
can be sold at a high profit.
Somebody who steals a pizza here and there is not
a "habitual criminal", but hungry, or has hungry children.
I would go as far as saying that stealing the proverbial pizza
because you are hungry is illegal, but not a crime at all.
On this side of the atlantic, one would not get thrown
into prison for stealing food in small quantities.
Thomas
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27 Jun 2004 06:31:11 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:30:46 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:08:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
If the maximum sentence for theft is 25 years, then a three strike
laws leads to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
There is no huge black market where a few stolen pizza
can be sold at a high profit.
Somebody who steals a pizza here and there is not
a "habitual criminal", but hungry, or has hungry children.
*****. Theft of food in America is rarely due to hunger. The munchies
maybe, but not hunger.
I would go as far as saying that stealing the proverbial pizza
because you are hungry is illegal, but not a crime at all.
On this side of the atlantic, one would not get thrown
into prison for stealing food in small quantities.
What about stealing sex in small quantities? Most people consider intimacy
to be necessary for emotional health.
--
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
27 Jun 2004 09:40:15 AM |
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Subject: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State.
(politics)
From: CyberDroog
Date: 6/27/2004 4:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <orbtd01k5ug0jp1991mrqiiekas8144bju@4ax.com>
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:30:46 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" < > wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:08:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual
criminal.
If the maximum sentence for theft is 25 years, then a three strike
laws leads to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
There is no huge black market where a few stolen pizza
can be sold at a high profit.
Somebody who steals a pizza here and there is not
a "habitual criminal", but hungry, or has hungry children.
*****. Theft of food in America is rarely due to hunger. The munchies
maybe, but not hunger.
I would go as far as saying that stealing the proverbial pizza
because you are hungry is illegal, but not a crime at all.
On this side of the atlantic, one would not get thrown
into prison for stealing food in small quantities.
What about stealing sex in small quantities? Most people consider intimacy
to be necessary for emotional health.
I like how they always leave out the fact that it was a robbery, a violent
offense. Anyway, the three strikes law was new and there were no judicial
guidelines as yet. His sentence was reduced to six years.
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27 Jun 2004 10:40:29 AM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:30:46 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:08:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
If the maximum sentence for theft is 25 years, then a three strike
laws leads to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
There is no huge black market where a few stolen pizza
can be sold at a high profit.
Somebody who steals a pizza here and there is not
a "habitual criminal", but hungry, or has hungry children.
*****. Theft of food in America is rarely due to hunger.
The munchies maybe, but not hunger.
So its the munchies, not hunger, if somebody has 600 bucks per
month, the rent is 550, and electricity and phone have already
been shut off?
I would go as far as saying that stealing the proverbial pizza
because you are hungry is illegal, but not a crime at all.
On this side of the atlantic, one would not get thrown
into prison for stealing food in small quantities.
What about stealing sex in small quantities?
Looking at a gorgeous MOTAS for a few seconds does not
get anybody into prison, at least not on this side of
the Atlantic.
To avoid possible misunderstanding: "stealing pizza" means that,
when nobody is looking, you put a pizza or two under your coat,
or in your backback, and leave the store without paying. No knifes,
threats, or any violence involved. Just theft.
Thomas
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:40:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:30:46 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:08:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
If the maximum sentence for theft is 25 years, then a three strike
laws leads to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
There is no huge black market where a few stolen pizza
can be sold at a high profit.
Somebody who steals a pizza here and there is not
a "habitual criminal", but hungry, or has hungry children.
*****. Theft of food in America is rarely due to hunger.
The munchies maybe, but not hunger.
So its the munchies, not hunger, if somebody has 600 bucks per
month, the rent is 550, and electricity and phone have already
been shut off?
And those figures account for each and every case?
I would go as far as saying that stealing the proverbial pizza
because you are hungry is illegal, but not a crime at all.
On this side of the atlantic, one would not get thrown
into prison for stealing food in small quantities.
What about stealing sex in small quantities?
Looking at a gorgeous MOTAS for a few seconds does not
get anybody into prison, at least not on this side of
the Atlantic.
To avoid possible misunderstanding: "stealing pizza" means that,
when nobody is looking, you put a pizza or two under your coat,
or in your backback, and leave the store without paying. No knifes,
threats, or any violence involved. Just theft.
Theft which takes food out of the mouth of another person.
--
Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes and cannot
tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What
we continually think about eventually will manifest in our lives.
- Sidney Madwed
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06 Jul 2004 02:29:09 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:40:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
I also oppose three strike laws, and all that other nonsense which
can lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
A three strikes law does not lead to 25 year prison sentences for stealing
pizza. It leads to 25 year prison sentences for being a habitual criminal.
If the maximum sentence for theft is 25 years, then a three strike
laws leads to 25 year prison sentences for stealing pizza.
There is no huge black market where a few stolen pizza
can be sold at a high profit.
Somebody who steals a pizza here and there is not
a "habitual criminal", but hungry, or has hungry children.
*****. Theft of food in America is rarely due to hunger.
The munchies maybe, but not hunger.
So its the munchies, not hunger, if somebody has 600 bucks per
month, the rent is 550, and electricity and phone have already
been shut off?
And those figures account for each and every case?
Probably not. I have not seen any statistics crossrelating
income and pet "crime". But its pretty obvious that in the
US a double digit million number of residents does not have
enough income to pay for rent and food. And its also
pretty obvious that habitual criminals would aim
for more profitable targets than a $1.99 pizza.
I would go as far as saying that stealing the proverbial pizza
because you are hungry is illegal, but not a crime at all.
On this side of the atlantic, one would not get thrown
into prison for stealing food in small quantities.
What about stealing sex in small quantities?
Looking at a gorgeous MOTAS for a few seconds does not
get anybody into prison, at least not on this side of
the Atlantic.
To avoid possible misunderstanding: "stealing pizza" means that,
when nobody is looking, you put a pizza or two under your coat,
or in your backback, and leave the store without paying. No knifes,
threats, or any violence involved. Just theft.
Theft which takes food out of the mouth of another person.
Walmart is a person who is in the process of eating all those
pizzas they offer to customers?
Thomas
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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06 Jul 2004 03:37:16 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:29:09 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:40:29 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
So its the munchies, not hunger, if somebody has 600 bucks per
month, the rent is 550, and electricity and phone have already
been shut off?
And those figures account for each and every case?
Probably not. I have not seen any statistics crossrelating
income and pet "crime". But its pretty obvious that in the
US a double digit million number of residents does not have
enough income to pay for rent and food. And its also
pretty obvious that habitual criminals would aim
for more profitable targets than a $1.99 pizza.
Double digit millions? My *****.
Habitual criminals, by definition, can't bring themselves to avoid
committing crimes.
To avoid possible misunderstanding: "stealing pizza" means that,
when nobody is looking, you put a pizza or two under your coat,
or in your backback, and leave the store without paying. No knifes,
threats, or any violence involved. Just theft.
Theft which takes food out of the mouth of another person.
Walmart is a person who is in the process of eating all those
pizzas they offer to customers?
Why do some people have an inability to bring things down to essentials?
You're intelligent, so I know you can follow the path: theft costs money
and the bill rolls downhill. If a place such as WalMart has enough theft,
it can mean they do without that extra girl at the checkout, and a
reduction in profits means less goes to taxes and charities. You didn't
think the Wal family or WalMart stockholders suffer, did you?
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"He will place a tax on the air you breathe and on the bread you eat; he
will give you a legislation which is as legitimate as it is unjust and
instead of reasons, he'll give you laws. These will grow in the course of
time, until you no longer exist for yourselves but for others."
- Franz Grillparzer (1791-1872), Austrian author, from his play "Libussa"
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15 Jun 2004 09:53:33 AM |
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
Thomas
nice touch Tom
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15 Jun 2004 04:33:26 AM |
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
Thomas
Are you saying I support the death penalty? Maybe you should read more
of my posts.
There is a difference, though. If a fetus is human life, it is by
definition innocent of any crime. A guy who rapes a little girl and
then slits her throat can't make that same claim, now, can he?
I'm still undecided on the death penalty, I'm starting to lean against
it. But I'm always amazed at people who are so eager to defend scum,
and who don't at least comprehend why people would want someone like
Amber Haggerman's killer found, tried, and strung up on a rope. Why do
you seem to care about scum more than you do about innocent little kids?
THAT's the scary part. Doesn't surprise that comes from Europe
though. You guys are really wacky over there, you know?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Hagerman
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15 Jun 2004 09:39:41 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
Are you saying I support the death penalty?
You are uncertain about the death penalty, but many
US residents who call themselves pro-life vigorously
support the death penalty.
I distinguish between pro-life and pro-lie.
Pro-life is somebody who opposes abortion
because of deep respect for all human life.
Pro-lie is somebody who opposes abortion
because of misogynism, who denies any rights of
born children, and who generally advocates
the use of deadly violence.
Here a short checklist:
Pro-life Pro-lie
[X] [X] Opposes abortion
[_] [X] Supports the death penalty
[_] [X] Demands severe restrictions of appeals and pardons
[_] [X] Supports the right to own and use firearms
[_] [X] Suspected terrorists have no rights whatsoever
[_] [X] Torturing prisoners is just what they deserve
[_] [X] Being gay is a capital crime, homosexuals should be killed
[_] [X] Women have to obey their husbands
[_] [X] Sex is for procreation only
[_] [X] Sex is for marriage only
[_] [X] Opposes all use of contraception
[_] [X] Opposes sex education other than teaching abstinence
[_] [X] Supports firing pregnant women at will
[_] [X] Punish the woman because "she spread her legs"
[_] [X] Supports sniper attacks against abortion clinic workers
[_] [X] Opposes welfare
[_] [X] Opposes child support obligations
[_] [X] Opposes public funding of daycare, schools, and universities
[_] [X] Opposes using taxpayers' money to feed children
[X] [X] Supports adoption
[_] [X] Supports forced adoption
[_] [X] Would consider abortion for herself/his SO/pregnant daughter
[_] [X] Considers killing his daughter's boyfriend
Thomas
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15 Jun 2004 10:04:17 AM |
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a debate where neither side will convince the other. I don't
understand how anyone can intuitively accept abortion as something
acceptable. Completely baffles me.
And I will never understand how somebody can oppose
abortion but support the death penalty. "It is murder
except if I approve of it", eh?
Are you saying I support the death penalty?
You are uncertain about the death penalty, but many
US residents who call themselves pro-life vigorously
support the death penalty.
I distinguish between pro-life and pro-lie.
Pro-life is somebody who opposes abortion
because of deep respect for all human life.
Pro-lie is somebody who opposes abortion
because of misogynism, who denies any rights of
born children, and who generally advocates
the use of deadly violence.
Here a short checklist:
Pro-life Pro-lie
[X] [X] Opposes abortion
[_] [X] Supports the death penalty
[_] [X] Demands severe restrictions of appeals and pardons
[_] [X] Supports the right to own and use firearms
[_] [X] Suspected terrorists have no rights whatsoever
[_] [X] Torturing prisoners is just what they deserve
[_] [X] Being gay is a capital crime, homosexuals should be killed
[_] [X] Women have to obey their husbands
[_] [X] Sex is for procreation only
[_] [X] Sex is for marriage only
[_] [X] Opposes all use of contraception
[_] [X] Opposes sex education other than teaching abstinence
[_] [X] Supports firing pregnant women at will
[_] [X] Punish the woman because "she spread her legs"
[_] [X] Supports sniper attacks against abortion clinic workers
[_] [X] Opposes welfare
[_] [X] Opposes child support obligations
[_] [X] Opposes public funding of daycare, schools, and universities
[_] [X] Opposes using taxpayers' money to feed children
[X] [X] Supports adoption
[_] [X] Supports forced adoption
[_] [X] Would consider abortion for herself/his SO/pregnant daughter
[_] [X] Considers killing his daughter's boyfriend
Thomas
i like that check list..
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12 Jun 2004 08:51:49 PM |
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yes i agree with you. if the people in the anit-abortion movment spent
their time making aborting less neccassary it would be better
than blowing up medcial buildings and killing people in the name of 'god'.
"Flashfire" <ramblinin@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:40cbaa6e_1@127.0.0.1...
| SortaLily wrote:
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| > it is not 'convenience' if the mother will die if she carries to term.
| > what i want to know is do the pro-life people support adoption ....
| > adoption creats famlies. yes the birth mother must give up her
| > child .. but she is creating a family ... pain and joy at the same
| > time
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| I dont think its about convenience at all, I think its about
responsibility,
| the realisation that the woman is not CAPABLE of caring for a child,
neither
| emotionally, financially or physically. Then there is the question of rape
| induced pregnancy. Why should a woman have to go through the trauma of
| carrying and giving birth to a child, conceived in violence. Every child
| should be a wanted child, every child should be allowed the opportunity to
| grow and be loved and cherished. Personally I would rather see more
| effective contraception being made available so that the pregnancy is
| prevented rather than aborted. But I have no qualms about abortion for the
| right reasons.
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| Regards Lee
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| Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
| enthusiasm. ~ Sir Winston Churchill
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13 Jun 2004 11:23:46 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:51:49 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
yes i agree with you. if the people in the anit-abortion movment spent
their time making aborting less neccassary it would be better
than blowing up medcial buildings and killing people in the name of 'god'.
How are they suppose to make abortion less necessary? Pro-lifers aren't
the ones running around knocking up "unsuspecting" women left and right.
--
ACCUSE, v.t. To affirm another's guilt or unworth; most commonly as a
justification of ourselves for having wronged him.
- Ambrose Bierce
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14 Jun 2004 07:07:08 PM |
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no .... but work work and more work needs to be done to knock some f***ing
sense into these girls who sleep with boy just to
'keep' them .. and some serious butt needs to be kicked on these boy who
think it makes them 'men' if they can sleep with as many girls as they
can...
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m0aqc0p31al611aqob4fefhoefq4m0b4ds@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:51:49 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
|
| >yes i agree with you. if the people in the anit-abortion movment spent
| >their time making aborting less neccassary it would be better
| >than blowing up medcial buildings and killing people in the name of
'god'.
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| How are they suppose to make abortion less necessary? Pro-lifers aren't
| the ones running around knocking up "unsuspecting" women left and right.
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| ACCUSE, v.t. To affirm another's guilt or unworth; most commonly as a
| justification of ourselves for having wronged him.
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| - Ambrose Bierce
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