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"CyberDroog" |
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11 Jun 2004 01:49:53 PM |
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16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
The following is from a mailing list from Advocates for Self-Government, a
Libertarian group (http://www.theadvocates.org/). BTW, if you visit that
site, be sure to take The World's Smallest Political Quiz.
Over 7 million children are in non-government schooling---
about 5.25 million conventional private and religious
schools, and 2 million in home schools.
Every parent who refuses to allow the state to school
his/her children wins a victory for quality education and
the cause of freedom from government school indoctrination.
If you're glad these parents have separated **their**
families from state schooling, you might get as excited as
I am about this development:
The largest Protestant denomination in America---Southern
Baptists, with 16 million members---will be voting next
week on a resolution calling on their members to remove
their children from government schools!
It's very consideration is already causing the beginning
of a stir: Favorable articles have shown up in the Boston
Globe, the Wall Street Journal, WorldNetDaily, the
Washington Times. And the O'Reilly Factor is trying to
schedule one of the Baptists who submitted the resolution.
And vastly more attention would undoubtedly result if the
Southern Baptists actually pass a "get the kids out"
resolution. This will be so appalling to the mainstream
news that "Mr. Dan" Rather will be whining on the 6:00 news
and "60 Minutes" is sure to do a hit piece.
Pray for a slow news week and Time and Newsweek might make
it a cover story, full of dire predictions of the demise
of America if the Baptists pull their 4 million children
from the schools.
If you're not a Southern Baptist, or a Protestant, or even
a Christian, you may think this has nothing to do with
you, but it does.
1) You probably know people who are Southern Baptists, or
2) For sure, you know people who belong to other
denominations that might be interested in passing a
similar resolution in the future in their group.
This could be an important new front in the fight for
educational choice. Religious and denominational
differences should not divide us in our common desire to
expand school choice ... ending federal interference in
local schools and taking a major step toward making all
schooling private.
I am setting up a new organization---initially as part of
the Alliance for Separation of School & State---to promote
this concept in other groups.
We call it GetTheKidsOut.org.
What can you do TODAY to help move the Baptists in the
freedom-in-schooling direction?
1) send this email to everybody on your personal email
list who is religious, or likes the freedom philosophy, or
both. Ask them to send it to their friends.
2) post this email to any online newsgroups or discussion
forums you frequent.
3) CALL any Southern Baptists you know and urge them to
advise any "Messengers" (SOBAPT lingo for delegates to
their convention in Indianapolis next week) of this
resolution.
4) visit www.GetTheKidsOut.org and sign up for the monthly
online update on Get The Kids Out.
Thank you for reading this. I get too much email, too. :-)
But this is important and URGENT.
Yours,
Marshall Fritz
Interim Director, GetTheKidsOut.org
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Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes and cannot
tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What
we continually think about eventually will manifest in our lives.
- Sidney Madwed
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
14 Jun 2004 11:21:27 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:07:08 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
no .... but work work and more work needs to be done to knock some f***ing
sense into these girls who sleep with boy just to
'keep' them .. and some serious butt needs to be kicked on these boy who
think it makes them 'men' if they can sleep with as many girls as they
can...
I agree.
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SELF-EVIDENT, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 10:49:48 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Extremist? Well, I suppose so... private and home schooled kids are
performing *extremely* well when compared to their public schooled
counter-parts. And at much less cost.
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POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of
principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Platypus Rex" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
12 Jun 2004 03:45:04 AM |
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CyberDroog coughed this up:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Extremist? Well, I suppose so... private and home schooled kids are
performing *extremely* well when compared to their public schooled
counter-parts. And at much less cost.
In some subjects, I have no doubt this is true. One problem that
hobbles the chances for success of public school students (and,
some studies argue, the *biggest* problem) is the rampant lack
of interest and involvement from kids' parents. If the parents
are arranging home-schooling, then that's obviously not going to
be the case; obviously, they're interested. And because of
points like this, I don't know whether any performance differences
can be attributed to the typical quality of education available,
as opposed to other differences between the two populations.
In mathematics and the sciences, though, when it comes to home
schooled kids, I wonder. I've had the opportunity to instruct
some home schooled kids at the collegiate level. Their math
and physical science preparation seemed awful.
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| User: "Pain Devine" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
13 Jun 2004 01:36:30 AM |
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You wanna put your kids in a private school fine... do it. But what about
the people living down the block making minimum wage? Where the hell are
their kids going to go to school? You CAN put your kid in private school,
you CAN home school your child... The only thing you don't have the right to
do is force everyone else to do things the same way you do. Yes, if your
born in this country you have the right to an edgucation and after your done
you're also obligated to pay, via taxes, for others to get that very same
edgucation. God bless the USA.
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:c2vkc0dv8q4vad6eksao7ajkdb310skpj7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Extremist? Well, I suppose so... private and home schooled kids are
performing *extremely* well when compared to their public schooled
counter-parts. And at much less cost.
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POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of
principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
13 Jun 2004 08:59:15 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:36:30 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
You wanna put your kids in a private school fine... do it. But what about
the people living down the block making minimum wage? Where the hell are
their kids going to go to school?
vouchers. oh wait, we can't have that kind of choice, right?
You CAN put your kid in private school,
you CAN home school your child... The only thing you don't have the right to
do is force everyone else to do things the same way you do. Yes, if your
born in this country you have the right to an edgucation and after your done
you're also obligated to pay, via taxes, for others to get that very same
edgucation. God bless the USA.
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:c2vkc0dv8q4vad6eksao7ajkdb310skpj7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Extremist? Well, I suppose so... private and home schooled kids are
performing *extremely* well when compared to their public schooled
counter-parts. And at much less cost.
--
POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of
principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
- Ambrose Bierce
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
13 Jun 2004 11:17:11 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:36:30 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
You wanna put your kids in a private school fine... do it. But what about
the people living down the block making minimum wage? Where the hell are
their kids going to go to school? You CAN put your kid in private school,
you CAN home school your child... The only thing you don't have the right to
do is force everyone else to do things the same way you do. Yes, if your
born in this country you have the right to an edgucation and after your done
you're also obligated to pay, via taxes, for others to get that very same
edgucation. God bless the USA.
"The only thing you don't have the right to do is force everyone else to do
things the same way you do" ??? But forcing people to *pay* for what
*you* do is just fine?
The poor will send their children to better schools by not having to pay
property taxes for lousy public schools. For right now, we have school
choice movements.
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EDUCATION, n. That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the
foolish their lack of understanding.
- Ambrose Bierce
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