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"CyberDroog" |
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11 Jun 2004 01:49:53 PM |
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16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
The following is from a mailing list from Advocates for Self-Government, a
Libertarian group (http://www.theadvocates.org/). BTW, if you visit that
site, be sure to take The World's Smallest Political Quiz.
Over 7 million children are in non-government schooling---
about 5.25 million conventional private and religious
schools, and 2 million in home schools.
Every parent who refuses to allow the state to school
his/her children wins a victory for quality education and
the cause of freedom from government school indoctrination.
If you're glad these parents have separated **their**
families from state schooling, you might get as excited as
I am about this development:
The largest Protestant denomination in America---Southern
Baptists, with 16 million members---will be voting next
week on a resolution calling on their members to remove
their children from government schools!
It's very consideration is already causing the beginning
of a stir: Favorable articles have shown up in the Boston
Globe, the Wall Street Journal, WorldNetDaily, the
Washington Times. And the O'Reilly Factor is trying to
schedule one of the Baptists who submitted the resolution.
And vastly more attention would undoubtedly result if the
Southern Baptists actually pass a "get the kids out"
resolution. This will be so appalling to the mainstream
news that "Mr. Dan" Rather will be whining on the 6:00 news
and "60 Minutes" is sure to do a hit piece.
Pray for a slow news week and Time and Newsweek might make
it a cover story, full of dire predictions of the demise
of America if the Baptists pull their 4 million children
from the schools.
If you're not a Southern Baptist, or a Protestant, or even
a Christian, you may think this has nothing to do with
you, but it does.
1) You probably know people who are Southern Baptists, or
2) For sure, you know people who belong to other
denominations that might be interested in passing a
similar resolution in the future in their group.
This could be an important new front in the fight for
educational choice. Religious and denominational
differences should not divide us in our common desire to
expand school choice ... ending federal interference in
local schools and taking a major step toward making all
schooling private.
I am setting up a new organization---initially as part of
the Alliance for Separation of School & State---to promote
this concept in other groups.
We call it GetTheKidsOut.org.
What can you do TODAY to help move the Baptists in the
freedom-in-schooling direction?
1) send this email to everybody on your personal email
list who is religious, or likes the freedom philosophy, or
both. Ask them to send it to their friends.
2) post this email to any online newsgroups or discussion
forums you frequent.
3) CALL any Southern Baptists you know and urge them to
advise any "Messengers" (SOBAPT lingo for delegates to
their convention in Indianapolis next week) of this
resolution.
4) visit www.GetTheKidsOut.org and sign up for the monthly
online update on Get The Kids Out.
Thank you for reading this. I get too much email, too. :-)
But this is important and URGENT.
Yours,
Marshall Fritz
Interim Director, GetTheKidsOut.org
--
Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes and cannot
tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What
we continually think about eventually will manifest in our lives.
- Sidney Madwed
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 05:36:12 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6vjc0925qk54efmc9q6a43gp3ifq1iuc8@4ax.com...
The following is from a mailing list from Advocates for Self-Government, a
Libertarian group (http://www.theadvocates.org/). BTW, if you visit that
site, be sure to take The World's Smallest Political Quiz.
Okay, but what I want to know is..
Did you cut and paste the subject header from the text of the article? Cuz if
so..
Bwahahaha!
Jean
Over 7 million children are in non-government schooling---
about 5.25 million conventional private and religious
schools, and 2 million in home schools.
Every parent who refuses to allow the state to school
his/her children wins a victory for quality education and
the cause of freedom from government school indoctrination.
If you're glad these parents have separated **their**
families from state schooling, you might get as excited as
I am about this development:
The largest Protestant denomination in America---Southern
Baptists, with 16 million members---will be voting next
week on a resolution calling on their members to remove
their children from government schools!
It's very consideration is already causing the beginning
of a stir: Favorable articles have shown up in the Boston
Globe, the Wall Street Journal, WorldNetDaily, the
Washington Times. And the O'Reilly Factor is trying to
schedule one of the Baptists who submitted the resolution.
And vastly more attention would undoubtedly result if the
Southern Baptists actually pass a "get the kids out"
resolution. This will be so appalling to the mainstream
news that "Mr. Dan" Rather will be whining on the 6:00 news
and "60 Minutes" is sure to do a hit piece.
Pray for a slow news week and Time and Newsweek might make
it a cover story, full of dire predictions of the demise
of America if the Baptists pull their 4 million children
from the schools.
If you're not a Southern Baptist, or a Protestant, or even
a Christian, you may think this has nothing to do with
you, but it does.
1) You probably know people who are Southern Baptists, or
2) For sure, you know people who belong to other
denominations that might be interested in passing a
similar resolution in the future in their group.
This could be an important new front in the fight for
educational choice. Religious and denominational
differences should not divide us in our common desire to
expand school choice ... ending federal interference in
local schools and taking a major step toward making all
schooling private.
I am setting up a new organization---initially as part of
the Alliance for Separation of School & State---to promote
this concept in other groups.
We call it GetTheKidsOut.org.
What can you do TODAY to help move the Baptists in the
freedom-in-schooling direction?
1) send this email to everybody on your personal email
list who is religious, or likes the freedom philosophy, or
both. Ask them to send it to their friends.
2) post this email to any online newsgroups or discussion
forums you frequent.
3) CALL any Southern Baptists you know and urge them to
advise any "Messengers" (SOBAPT lingo for delegates to
their convention in Indianapolis next week) of this
resolution.
4) visit www.GetTheKidsOut.org and sign up for the monthly
online update on Get The Kids Out.
Thank you for reading this. I get too much email, too. :-)
But this is important and URGENT.
Yours,
Marshall Fritz
Interim Director, GetTheKidsOut.org
--
Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes and cannot
tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What
we continually think about eventually will manifest in our lives.
- Sidney Madwed
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 11:02:17 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:36:12 -0400, "Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6vjc0925qk54efmc9q6a43gp3ifq1iuc8@4ax.com...
The following is from a mailing list from Advocates for Self-Government, a
Libertarian group (http://www.theadvocates.org/). BTW, if you visit that
site, be sure to take The World's Smallest Political Quiz.
Okay, but what I want to know is..
Did you cut and paste the subject header from the text of the article? Cuz if
so..
Bwahahaha!
Heh, no I typed it myself. Separate is one of my personal demons when it
comes to spelling. And my spell checker doesn't check subject lines.
Hey, I'm no worse off than public school teachers. I posted a message a
while back with an article about how they are failing their own
certification tests in large numbers.
--
"'Stupid' means one thing: threatening to the interests of the Democratic
Party. The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and
hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be."
- Ann Coulter
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| User: "kerfoker" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
12 Jun 2004 10:34:26 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
Heh, no I typed it myself. Separate is one of my personal demons when it
comes to spelling. And my spell checker doesn't check subject lines.
There's always 'a rat' in separate.
-Fred
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| User: "Kirby Cook" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
12 Jun 2004 12:14:26 PM |
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kerfoker wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
Heh, no I typed it myself. Separate is one of my personal demons when it
comes to spelling. And my spell checker doesn't check subject lines.
There's always 'a rat' in separate.
-Fred
When I misspell separate I alway feel sub-par.
Kirby
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 04:35:55 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
CyberDroog wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:36:12 -0400, "Luna" <jean_collins@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6vjc0925qk54efmc9q6a43gp3ifq1iuc8@4ax.com...
The following is from a mailing list from Advocates for Self-Government, a
Libertarian group (http://www.theadvocates.org/). BTW, if you visit that
site, be sure to take The World's Smallest Political Quiz.
Okay, but what I want to know is..
Did you cut and paste the subject header from the text of the article? Cuz if
so..
Bwahahaha!
Heh, no I typed it myself. Separate is one of my personal demons when it
comes to spelling. And my spell checker doesn't check subject lines.
Hey, I'm no worse off than public school teachers. I posted a message a
while back with an article about how they are failing their own
certification tests in large numbers.
--
"'Stupid' means one thing: threatening to the interests of the Democratic
Party. The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and
hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be."
- Ann Coulter
Dude, you're quoting Coulter. Did you put your flame-proof jammies on
today?
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| User: "RGBs Neighbot" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 05:15:59 AM |
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In article <40CACE7B.1000402@comcast.net>,
Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
you're quoting Coulter. Did you put your flame-proof jammies on today?
I think you will find the dictum "consider the source" very relevant in
explaining the lack of said predicted flaming.
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http://asdwiki.2y.net -- wiki wiki!
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Jun 2004 03:03:53 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:35:55 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
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"'Stupid' means one thing: threatening to the interests of the Democratic
Party. The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and
hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be."
- Ann Coulter
Dude, you're quoting Coulter. Did you put your flame-proof jammies on
today?
Just my kevlar underwear. I figure everything else is easy to repair...
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He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself.
- Thomas Paine
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| User: "Pain Devine" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 04:56:51 PM |
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Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6vjc0925qk54efmc9q6a43gp3ifq1iuc8@4ax.com...
The following is from a mailing list from Advocates for Self-Government, a
Libertarian group (http://www.theadvocates.org/). BTW, if you visit that
site, be sure to take The World's Smallest Political Quiz.
Over 7 million children are in non-government schooling---
about 5.25 million conventional private and religious
schools, and 2 million in home schools.
Every parent who refuses to allow the state to school
his/her children wins a victory for quality education and
the cause of freedom from government school indoctrination.
If you're glad these parents have separated **their**
families from state schooling, you might get as excited as
I am about this development:
The largest Protestant denomination in America---Southern
Baptists, with 16 million members---will be voting next
week on a resolution calling on their members to remove
their children from government schools!
It's very consideration is already causing the beginning
of a stir: Favorable articles have shown up in the Boston
Globe, the Wall Street Journal, WorldNetDaily, the
Washington Times. And the O'Reilly Factor is trying to
schedule one of the Baptists who submitted the resolution.
And vastly more attention would undoubtedly result if the
Southern Baptists actually pass a "get the kids out"
resolution. This will be so appalling to the mainstream
news that "Mr. Dan" Rather will be whining on the 6:00 news
and "60 Minutes" is sure to do a hit piece.
Pray for a slow news week and Time and Newsweek might make
it a cover story, full of dire predictions of the demise
of America if the Baptists pull their 4 million children
from the schools.
If you're not a Southern Baptist, or a Protestant, or even
a Christian, you may think this has nothing to do with
you, but it does.
1) You probably know people who are Southern Baptists, or
2) For sure, you know people who belong to other
denominations that might be interested in passing a
similar resolution in the future in their group.
This could be an important new front in the fight for
educational choice. Religious and denominational
differences should not divide us in our common desire to
expand school choice ... ending federal interference in
local schools and taking a major step toward making all
schooling private.
I am setting up a new organization---initially as part of
the Alliance for Separation of School & State---to promote
this concept in other groups.
We call it GetTheKidsOut.org.
What can you do TODAY to help move the Baptists in the
freedom-in-schooling direction?
1) send this email to everybody on your personal email
list who is religious, or likes the freedom philosophy, or
both. Ask them to send it to their friends.
2) post this email to any online newsgroups or discussion
forums you frequent.
3) CALL any Southern Baptists you know and urge them to
advise any "Messengers" (SOBAPT lingo for delegates to
their convention in Indianapolis next week) of this
resolution.
4) visit www.GetTheKidsOut.org and sign up for the monthly
online update on Get The Kids Out.
Thank you for reading this. I get too much email, too. :-)
But this is important and URGENT.
Yours,
Marshall Fritz
Interim Director, GetTheKidsOut.org
--
Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes and cannot
tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What
we continually think about eventually will manifest in our lives.
- Sidney Madwed
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 05:18:47 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine"
<noway@jose.com> wrote:
<(((*> Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Spelling and grammar errors, such as appear in the topic line,
don't make me want to join the movement.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "pat" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 05:23:31 PM |
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<waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
news:rrbkc0l1m8nufe6ir4jd5g1ui1tmhgim8a@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine"
<noway@jose.com> wrote:
<(((*> Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Spelling and grammar errors, such as appear in the topic line,
don't make me want to join the movement.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
To me it sounded cool many years ago. Then when I checked into the party
about 2 or 3 USA general elections ago, I thought "they're just a bunch of
selfish b*stards" and I lost interest. Guess I stay Democrat.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 10:55:30 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:23:31 -0500, "pat" <pat@aol.com> wrote:
<waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
news:rrbkc0l1m8nufe6ir4jd5g1ui1tmhgim8a@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine"
<noway@jose.com> wrote:
<(((*> Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Spelling and grammar errors, such as appear in the topic line,
don't make me want to join the movement.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
To me it sounded cool many years ago. Then when I checked into the party
about 2 or 3 USA general elections ago, I thought "they're just a bunch of
selfish b*stards" and I lost interest. Guess I stay Democrat.
Ambrose Bierce defined selfishness as: devoid of consideration for the
selfishness of others. He was right.
The more "selfless" any political system expects people to be, the more
abuses those people eventually suffer.
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If there is something to gain and nothing to lose by asking, by all means
ask!
- W. Clement Stone
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 10:50:42 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:18:47 -0400, waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine"
<noway@jose.com> wrote:
<(((*> Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
Spelling and grammar errors, such as appear in the topic line,
don't make me want to join the movement.
My bad. But then I'm a product of public schools... ;)
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HERMIT, n. A person whose vices and follies are not sociable.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 07:30:22 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
hm. I guess I'm extremist. Although an R, not an L. And not a
Southern Baptist either.
But I have long thought that if I was lucky enough to have kids, I
would try hard to put them in a private school. Homeschooling
wouldn't be good for them cuz I tend to be reclusive.
Yeah, and my bro who is working for his teaching degree knows this.
We just made sure we knew where we stand and then we talk about it any
further. Keeps us from killing each other.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. |
11 Jun 2004 11:15:29 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:30:22 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
hm. I guess I'm extremist. Although an R, not an L. And not a
Southern Baptist either.
But I have long thought that if I was lucky enough to have kids, I
would try hard to put them in a private school. Homeschooling
wouldn't be good for them cuz I tend to be reclusive.
My brother's kids were home schooled for most of their lives. All of them
(with the exception of the infant) have higher reading levels than the
average public school kid. Amazing, considering that six of the kids are
adoptees who all had emotional problems and the trauma of abuse/neglect.
In public school the adoptees all would have been warehoused in "special"
class and neglected even more.
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To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
- Bruce Lee
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 04:34:32 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
wombn wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:56:51 -0500, "Pain Devine" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
Extremist ***** like this is why I'm not a Libertarian anymore.
hm. I guess I'm extremist. Although an R, not an L. And not a
Southern Baptist either.
But I have long thought that if I was lucky enough to have kids, I
would try hard to put them in a private school. Homeschooling
wouldn't be good for them cuz I tend to be reclusive.
Yeah, and my bro who is working for his teaching degree knows this.
We just made sure we knew where we stand and then we talk about it any
further. Keeps us from killing each other.
Monopoly on internet browser software = evil
Monopoly on the education of the vast majority of children in the US = good
I don't get it. I also don't get why the Pro-Choice crowd doesn't
support the choice of where to send your kids to school.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 03:02:23 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:34:32 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
I don't get it. I also don't get why the Pro-Choice crowd doesn't
support the choice of where to send your kids to school.
Pro-choice is all about murdering kids for convenience. Public schools are
all about having to pay no attention to a kid's are education... again for
convenience.
--
If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think
little of robbing; and from robbing, he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-
breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination.
- Thomas DeQuincy
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 03:07:26 PM |
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it is not 'convenience' if the mother will die if she carries to term.
what i want to know is do the pro-life people support adoption ....
adoption creats famlies. yes the birth mother must give up her child ..
but she is creating a family ... pain and joy at the same time
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:34:32 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
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| >I don't get it. I also don't get why the Pro-Choice crowd doesn't
| >support the choice of where to send your kids to school.
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| Pro-choice is all about murdering kids for convenience. Public schools
are
| all about having to pay no attention to a kid's are education... again for
| convenience.
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| If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think
| little of robbing; and from robbing, he comes next to drinking and
Sabbath-
| breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 05:29:03 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
it is not 'convenience' if the mother will die if she carries to term.
That is pretty rare. A minute portion of the millions of abortions. But I
agree that in such a case, it is not a matter of convenience. When it's a
matter of either the mother's life or the child's, that should be left up
to the mother to decide.
But I can't help but admire women who choose to let fate take it's course.
Who didn't like Julia Robert's in Steel Magnolias?
what i want to know is do the pro-life people support adoption ....
adoption creats famlies. yes the birth mother must give up her child ..
but she is creating a family ... pain and joy at the same time
My brother is pro-life and he has adopted six children.
--
POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of
principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 08:58:46 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:ff0nc0tem1sb9qba12ukaejm6bqanhmqk4@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
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| >it is not 'convenience' if the mother will die if she carries to term.
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| That is pretty rare. A minute portion of the millions of abortions. But
I
| agree that in such a case, it is not a matter of convenience. When it's a
| matter of either the mother's life or the child's, that should be left up
| to the mother to decide.
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| But I can't help but admire women who choose to let fate take it's course.
| Who didn't like Julia Robert's in Steel Magnolias?
that was fiction ... please cyberdroorg .. are you not smarter than that?
mixing up fiction and reality?
.... you are not marty after all.
| >what i want to know is do the pro-life people support adoption ....
| >adoption creats famlies. yes the birth mother must give up her child ..
| >but she is creating a family ... pain and joy at the same time
|
| My brother is pro-life and he has adopted six children.
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| POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of
| principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
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| - Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
13 Jun 2004 11:27:09 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:58:46 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
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| >it is not 'convenience' if the mother will die if she carries to term.
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| That is pretty rare. A minute portion of the millions of abortions. But
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| agree that in such a case, it is not a matter of convenience. When it's a
| matter of either the mother's life or the child's, that should be left up
| to the mother to decide.
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| But I can't help but admire women who choose to let fate take it's course.
| Who didn't like Julia Robert's in Steel Magnolias?
that was fiction ... please cyberdroorg .. are you not smarter than that?
mixing up fiction and reality?
... you are not marty after all.
It was an example from a movie... I just assumed the reader would know
that.
But women make such choices every day. I'll never understand why so many
people want to deny the mothering instinct.
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APPEAL, v.t. In law, to put the dice into the box for another throw.
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
14 Jun 2004 07:08:44 PM |
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i have a veru strong mothering instinct, but am unable to become
pregnant.,.. does that make me less of a good mother if i can adopt?
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:58:46 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
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| >"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| >| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far>
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| >| >it is not 'convenience' if the mother will die if she carries to term.
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| >| That is pretty rare. A minute portion of the millions of abortions.
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| >| agree that in such a case, it is not a matter of convenience. When
it's a
| >| matter of either the mother's life or the child's, that should be left
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| >| to the mother to decide.
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| >| But I can't help but admire women who choose to let fate take it's
course.
| >| Who didn't like Julia Robert's in Steel Magnolias?
| >that was fiction ... please cyberdroorg .. are you not smarter than
that?
| >mixing up fiction and reality?
| >... you are not marty after all.
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| It was an example from a movie... I just assumed the reader would know
| that.
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| But women make such choices every day. I'll never understand why so many
| people want to deny the mothering instinct.
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| APPEAL, v.t. In law, to put the dice into the box for another throw.
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| - Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
14 Jun 2004 11:23:35 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:08:44 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
i have a veru strong mothering instinct, but am unable to become
pregnant.,.. does that make me less of a good mother if i can adopt?
Of course not. It seems to me that the mothering instinct is what *makes*
you want to adopt.
Humans are lucky to have that primate instinct to protect any child, even
if not their own.
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MONDAY, n. In Christian countries, the day after the baseball game.
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
12 Jun 2004 10:45:04 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
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|| >what i want to know is do the pro-life people support adoption ....
| >adoption creats famlies. yes the birth mother must give up her child ..
| >but she is creating a family ... pain and joy at the same time
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| My brother is pro-life and he has adopted six children.
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wow .. good for him. was it in or out of the country adoption? not that it
matters .. kids are kids ..
i happen to know many people who have adopted children and a good friend of
mine was adopted when she was just a baby.
after almost 40 years she found her birthmother (almot by chance) and the
two of them have gotten close. i'm such a sap .. i get all misty eyed just
thinking about it.
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| POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of
| principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
13 Jun 2004 11:31:55 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:45:04 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
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|| >what i want to know is do the pro-life people support adoption ....
| >adoption creats famlies. yes the birth mother must give up her child ..
| >but she is creating a family ... pain and joy at the same time
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| My brother is pro-life and he has adopted six children.
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wow .. good for him. was it in or out of the country adoption? not that it
matters .. kids are kids ..
All in state adoptions. All the kids have a history of abuse/neglect, with
the exception of the infant who was taken from his mother's womb straight
to the custody of social services. Actually all the crack cocaine the kid
had done in the womb would be considered abuse.
They already had the infant's twin nine year old sisters, and 10 year old
brother.
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Life... is like a grapefruit. It's orange and squishy, and has a few pips
in it, and some folks have half a one for breakfast.
- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Flashfire" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
13 Jun 2004 11:50:49 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
All in state adoptions. All the kids have a history of abuse/neglect,
with the exception of the infant who was taken from his mother's womb
straight
to the custody of social services. Actually all the crack cocaine
the kid had done in the womb would be considered abuse.
They already had the infant's twin nine year old sisters, and 10 year
old brother.
I am afraid all you are doing here is proving my point. The woman who was
indiscriminately breeding unwanted children, should be sterilized. Every
child born, should be a wanted child, a loved child, not the product of
neglect, abuse and state intervention.
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Regards Lee
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enthusiasm. ~ Sir Winston Churchill
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
14 Jun 2004 07:07:27 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:50:49 +1000, "Flashfire" <ramblinin@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
All in state adoptions. All the kids have a history of abuse/neglect,
with the exception of the infant who was taken from his mother's womb
straight
to the custody of social services. Actually all the crack cocaine
the kid had done in the womb would be considered abuse.
They already had the infant's twin nine year old sisters, and 10 year
old brother.
I am afraid all you are doing here is proving my point. The woman who was
indiscriminately breeding unwanted children, should be sterilized. Every
child born, should be a wanted child, a loved child, not the product of
neglect, abuse and state intervention.
Sterilized, perhaps. But I can't believe in eradicating already conceived
life is a good solution. The fact is that all of the children *are* wanted
and loved. Not by their biological mother, who was far more interested in
the welfare checks. But all children are wanted by somebody.
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REFORM, v. A thing that mostly satisfies reformers opposed to
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| User: "Flashfire" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
14 Jun 2004 10:07:52 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
Sterilized, perhaps. But I can't believe in eradicating already
conceived life is a good solution. The fact is that all of the
children *are* wanted and loved. Not by their biological mother, who
was far more interested in the welfare checks. But all children are
wanted by somebody.
I cant believe that forcing a child to be born into poverty, neglect,
malnourishment and abuse, is a good solution either. And the fact is NOT ALL
are wanted and loved. Children are rejected often by "potential" parents
because they are problem children, mentally ill children, handicapped, to
old, wrong gender and so of and so forth. If every child is a wanted child,
check the statistics of how many children are in care, with no possiblity of
ever being adopted.
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
14 Jun 2004 11:30:30 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:07:52 +1000, "Flashfire" <ramblinin@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
Sterilized, perhaps. But I can't believe in eradicating already
conceived life is a good solution. The fact is that all of the
children *are* wanted and loved. Not by their biological mother, who
was far more interested in the welfare checks. But all children are
wanted by somebody.
I cant believe that forcing a child to be born into poverty, neglect,
malnourishment and abuse, is a good solution either. And the fact is NOT ALL
are wanted and loved. Children are rejected often by "potential" parents
because they are problem children, mentally ill children, handicapped, to
old, wrong gender and so of and so forth. If every child is a wanted child,
check the statistics of how many children are in care, with no possiblity of
ever being adopted.
Death before poverty? Kind of harsh.
Judging how many children really need to be institutionalized is difficult
in America since the laws make adoption so difficult and expensive. When
it's cheaper to import an Indian or Chinese baby, something is very, very
wrong.
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Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live
at the expense of everybody else.
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| User: "Flashfire" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
15 Jun 2004 12:04:51 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:07:52 +1000, "Flashfire"
<ramblinin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
Sterilized, perhaps. But I can't believe in eradicating already
conceived life is a good solution. The fact is that all of the
children *are* wanted and loved. Not by their biological mother, who
was far more interested in the welfare checks. But all children are
wanted by somebody.
I cant believe that forcing a child to be born into poverty, neglect,
malnourishment and abuse, is a good solution either. And the fact is
NOT ALL are wanted and loved. Children are rejected often by
"potential" parents because they are problem children, mentally ill
children, handicapped, to old, wrong gender and so of and so forth.
If every child is a wanted child, check the statistics of how many
children are in care, with no possiblity of ever being adopted.
Death before poverty? Kind of harsh.
Not at all, you are managed to pick and choose which concept to highlight,
the words are poverty, neglect, malnourishment and abuse, not just poverty.
And you are assigning the realisation of life to beings that have no
consciousness in thier embryonic state.
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: Re: 16 Million Considering the Seperation of SCHOOL and State. (politics) |
14 Jun 2004 07:09:36 PM |
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damn what some women do to damage their kids before they are even born ..
sick
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:45:04 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote:
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| >"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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| >| On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400, "SortaLily" <up.down@near.far>
wrote:
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| >|| >what i want to know is do the pro-life people support adoption ....
| >| >adoption creats famlies. yes the birth mother must give up her child
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| >| >but she is creating a family ... pain and joy at the same time
| >|
| >| My brother is pro-life and he has adopted six children.
| >|
| >wow .. good for him. was it in or out of the country adoption? not that
it
| >matters .. kids are kids ..
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| All in state adoptions. All the kids have a history of abuse/neglect, with
| the exception of the infant who was taken from his mother's womb straight
| to the custody of social services. Actually all the crack cocaine the kid
| had done in the womb would be considered abuse.
|
| They already had the infant's twin nine year old sisters, and 10 year old
| brother.
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| Life... is like a grapefruit. It's orange and squishy, and has a few pips
| in it, and some folks have half a one for breakfast.
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