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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "Janithor"
Date: 13 Dec 2007 12:27:19 AM
Object: 70 years ago
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NANJING, China (Reuters) - China marked 70 years since Japan's Nanjing
massacre on Thursday, invoking memories of the atrocity to remind Tokyo
that the wartime past remains a bitter backdrop to an improving
relationship.
Sirens wailed, calling citizens to silence, a bell tolled, and tens of
thousands of people, including frail survivors, gathered for the
reopening of a newly expanded massacre memorial in the former national
capital in eastern China.
The six-week wave of killing by Japanese soldiers after Nanjing fell was
among the bloodiest episodes of Japan's invasion of China. Official
Chinese accounts say 300,000 were killed.
For China, how Japan remembers the "Rape of Nanking" -- as the city was
then called in English -- has become a test of how contrite its neighbor
is about its brutal occupation of much of the country from the 1930s up
to 1945.
Aged survivors came out to remind the world of the event. Chen Fubao,
75, clutched a black-and-white photo of his father, who was killed in
the slaughter.
"We hope that the Japanese government, especially those in the
nationalist factions, will admit the truth in history and learn from the
Germans," he told Reuters. "They should not cover up their crimes any more."
Beijing and Tokyo have been moving in recent months to ease long-running
tensions over history, territory and energy and commemorative propaganda
has avoided harsh words about Japan's current leaders.
PEACE BELL
Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda is due in China soon, more than a
year after his predecessor, Shinzo Abe, broke the ice with a visit. Top
Chinese leaders stayed away from the memorial activities in Nanjing.
But the potency of wartime memories was clear in Thursday's ceremonies.
Tearful survivors, officials and young people struck a "peace bell" that
rang out over the crowd.
Qiu Xiuying, 80, said her mother had been killed in the massacre and an
aunt injured. "So every time there is a memorial, my tears will
naturally flow," she told Reuters.
While China insists that Japanese troops killed 300,000 men, women and
children in the weeks that followed Nanjing's capture, raping, torturing
and mutilating many victims, some Japanese historians say the number was
much lower. Some apologists for Tokyo's military past deny the massacre
even happened.
An Allied war tribunal put the Nanjing death toll at about 142,000.
Zhu Chengshan, curator of the Nanjing Massacre Memorial, told Xinhua
news agency that there was no doubting that 300,000 died.
Xinhua accused Japanese doubters of "selective amnesia."
"Curing this disease is not hard and sufferers often fully recover," it
said. "But when it strikes a country or a nation, treating it is not easy."
.

User: "%"

Title: Re: 70 years ago 13 Dec 2007 10:26:49 AM
Janithor wrote:

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NANJING, China (Reuters) - China marked 70 years since Japan's Nanjing
massacre on Thursday, invoking memories of the atrocity to remind
Tokyo that the wartime past remains a bitter backdrop to an improving
relationship.

Sirens wailed, calling citizens to silence, a bell tolled, and tens of
thousands of people, including frail survivors, gathered for the
reopening of a newly expanded massacre memorial in the former national
capital in eastern China.

The six-week wave of killing by Japanese soldiers after Nanjing fell
was among the bloodiest episodes of Japan's invasion of China.
Official
Chinese accounts say 300,000 were killed.

For China, how Japan remembers the "Rape of Nanking" -- as the city
was then called in English -- has become a test of how contrite its
neighbor
is about its brutal occupation of much of the country from the 1930s
up
to 1945.

Aged survivors came out to remind the world of the event. Chen Fubao,
75, clutched a black-and-white photo of his father, who was killed in
the slaughter.

"We hope that the Japanese government, especially those in the
nationalist factions, will admit the truth in history and learn from
the Germans," he told Reuters. "They should not cover up their crimes
any more."

Beijing and Tokyo have been moving in recent months to ease
long-running tensions over history, territory and energy and
commemorative propaganda has avoided harsh words about Japan's
current leaders.

PEACE BELL

Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda is due in China soon, more than a
year after his predecessor, Shinzo Abe, broke the ice with a visit.
Top Chinese leaders stayed away from the memorial activities in
Nanjing.

But the potency of wartime memories was clear in Thursday's
ceremonies. Tearful survivors, officials and young people struck a
"peace bell" that rang out over the crowd.

Qiu Xiuying, 80, said her mother had been killed in the massacre and
an aunt injured. "So every time there is a memorial, my tears will
naturally flow," she told Reuters.

While China insists that Japanese troops killed 300,000 men, women and
children in the weeks that followed Nanjing's capture, raping,
torturing and mutilating many victims, some Japanese historians say
the number was much lower. Some apologists for Tokyo's military past
deny the massacre even happened.

An Allied war tribunal put the Nanjing death toll at about 142,000.

Zhu Chengshan, curator of the Nanjing Massacre Memorial, told Xinhua
news agency that there was no doubting that 300,000 died.

Xinhua accused Japanese doubters of "selective amnesia."

"Curing this disease is not hard and sufferers often fully recover,"
it said. "But when it strikes a country or a nation, treating it is
not easy."

i remember this
.

User: "BoredToTears"

Title: Re: 70 years ago 13 Dec 2007 12:32:46 PM
On 13 Dec, 06:27, Janithor <Janithor...@comcast.net> wrote:

x-no-archive: yes

NANJING, China (Reuters) - China marked 70 years since Japan's Nanjing
massacre on Thursday, invoking memories of the atrocity to remind Tokyo
that the wartime past remains a bitter backdrop to an improving
relationship.

Sirens wailed, calling citizens to silence, a bell tolled, and tens of
thousands of people, including frail survivors, gathered for the
reopening of a newly expanded massacre memorial in the former national
capital in eastern China.

The six-week wave of killing by Japanese soldiers after Nanjing fell was
among the bloodiest episodes of Japan's invasion of China. Official
Chinese accounts say 300,000 were killed.

For China, how Japan remembers the "Rape of Nanking" -- as the city was
then called in English -- has become a test of how contrite its neighbor
is about its brutal occupation of much of the country from the 1930s up
to 1945.

Aged survivors came out to remind the world of the event. Chen Fubao,
75, clutched a black-and-white photo of his father, who was killed in
the slaughter.

"We hope that the Japanese government, especially those in the
nationalist factions, will admit the truth in history and learn from the
Germans," he told Reuters. "They should not cover up their crimes any more."

Beijing and Tokyo have been moving in recent months to ease long-running
tensions over history, territory and energy and commemorative propaganda
has avoided harsh words about Japan's current leaders.

PEACE BELL

Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda is due in China soon, more than a
year after his predecessor, Shinzo Abe, broke the ice with a visit. Top
Chinese leaders stayed away from the memorial activities in Nanjing.

But the potency of wartime memories was clear in Thursday's ceremonies.
Tearful survivors, officials and young people struck a "peace bell" that
rang out over the crowd.

Qiu Xiuying, 80, said her mother had been killed in the massacre and an
aunt injured. "So every time there is a memorial, my tears will
naturally flow," she told Reuters.

While China insists that Japanese troops killed 300,000 men, women and
children in the weeks that followed Nanjing's capture, raping, torturing
and mutilating many victims, some Japanese historians say the number was
much lower. Some apologists for Tokyo's military past deny the massacre
even happened.

An Allied war tribunal put the Nanjing death toll at about 142,000.

Zhu Chengshan, curator of the Nanjing Massacre Memorial, told Xinhua
news agency that there was no doubting that 300,000 died.

Xinhua accused Japanese doubters of "selective amnesia."

"Curing this disease is not hard and sufferers often fully recover," it
said. "But when it strikes a country or a nation, treating > it is not easy."

WARNING: The site linked to below contains very graphic descriptions
and images of atrocities carried out by Japanese soldiers on Chinese
civilians and POWs. Use discretion.
http://prion.bchs.uh.edu/~zzhang/1/Nanking_Massacre/preface.html
.
User: "Jesters mummy"

Title: Re: 70 years ago 13 Dec 2007 07:20:17 PM
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:32:46 -0800 (PST), BoredToTears <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

<(((*>WARNING: The site linked to below contains very graphic descriptions
<(((*>and images of atrocities carried out by Japanese soldiers on Chinese
<(((*>civilians and POWs. Use discretion.
<(((*>
<(((*>http://prion.bchs.uh.edu/~zzhang/1/Nanking_Massacre/preface.html

I've visited this site before, but this time for reasons I cannot understand, I
simply can't take it.
It's odd, I've seen all the photos in the gallery, but this time I just can't
make myself look at them. It hurts too much.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail - Stephen Fry
.
User: "BoredToTears"

Title: Re: 70 years ago 14 Dec 2007 04:46:52 AM
On 14 Dec, 01:20, Jester's mummy <coc...@nest.egg> wrote:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:32:46 -0800 (PST), BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

<(((*>WARNING: The site linked to below contains very graphic descriptions
<(((*>and images of atrocities carried out by Japanese soldiers on Chinese
<(((*>civilians and POWs. Use discretion.
<(((*>
<(((*>http://prion.bchs.uh.edu/~zzhang/1/Nanking_Massacre/preface.html


I've visited this site before, but this time for reasons I cannot understand, I
simply can't take it.

It's odd, I've seen all the photos in the gallery, but this time I just can't
make myself look at them. It hurts too much.

Strangely enough, when I clicked on the gallery to refresh my memory
before I posted the link again I couldn't go any further than that
first picture of the abandoned baby crying amidst the rubble. Too
difficult to look at.
.



User: "Contrarian"

Title: Re: 70 years ago 13 Dec 2007 11:57:59 AM
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Janithor <JanithorHAW@comcast.net> wrote:

NANJING, China (Reuters) - China marked 70 years since Japan's Nanjing
massacre on Thursday, invoking memories of the atrocity to remind Tokyo
that the wartime past remains a bitter backdrop to an improving
relationship.

I sometimes wonder why "WWII" is commonly believed to
have begun in 1939, not 1938 or 1937.

.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: 70 years ago 13 Dec 2007 04:13:03 PM
In message <Hoe8j.263$lU5.260@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> writes

Janithor <JanithorHAW@comcast.net> wrote:

NANJING, China (Reuters) - China marked 70 years since Japan's Nanjing
massacre on Thursday, invoking memories of the atrocity to remind Tokyo
that the wartime past remains a bitter backdrop to an improving
relationship.


I sometimes wonder why "WWII" is commonly believed to
have begun in 1939, not 1938 or 1937.

Because it wasn't a WORLD war till 1939. Until 1941, they were separate
wars.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.

User: "Jesters mummy"

Title: Re: 70 years ago 13 Dec 2007 07:10:24 PM
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:57:59 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:

<(((*>x-no-archive: yes
<(((*>
<(((*>Janithor <JanithorHAW@comcast.net> wrote:
<(((*>
<(((*>> NANJING, China (Reuters) - China marked 70 years since Japan's Nanjing
<(((*>> massacre on Thursday, invoking memories of the atrocity to remind Tokyo
<(((*>> that the wartime past remains a bitter backdrop to an improving
<(((*>> relationship.
<(((*>
<(((*>
<(((*> I sometimes wonder why "WWII" is commonly believed to
<(((*> have begun in 1939, not 1938 or 1937.

My FIL insists that it started a lot earlier than '39.
I believe he's right.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail - Stephen Fry
.



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