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04 Jan 2004 04:10:49 AM |
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And some of you think *I'm* a troll. |
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oi, what dreck.
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04 Jan 2004 08:24:39 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
that's in croatian too.
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05 Jan 2004 06:14:37 PM |
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oy and drek?
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oi, what dreck.
that's in croatian too.
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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04 Jan 2004 10:30:34 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
A troll? A chingao!!
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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04 Jan 2004 07:18:09 PM |
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
A troll? A chingao!!
Excuse my ignorance ;) isn't 'chingar' (as a verb) slang for 'to *****'? Then what would 'chingao' mean?
My guess: 'fucked-up person'. But that sounds like an insult to me. What's the right translation?
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04 Jan 2004 08:07:39 PM |
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"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote in message
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
A troll? A chingao!!
Excuse my ignorance ;) isn't 'chingar' (as a verb) slang for 'to *****'?
Then what would 'chingao' mean?
My guess: 'fucked-up person'. But that sounds like an insult to me. What's
the right translation?
You are partially right. Chingar ----->to *****. but it has many more
meanings, and is not necessarily a verb. Chinga'o as I wrote is translated
as a vulgar: "good grief".
This is one of the most perplexing words to insult ant to refer to things
for the non-native Mexican speaker. I'll give you some examples:
Que chingados! ------> You confront someone about a possible problem.
Me chingaron ------> You lose, or something non-legal (in the moral or
legislative way) was done to you.
Me lleva la chingada! -------> something bad is happening to you.
Soy un chingón ------> You are very good at something (ej physics)
Chingonería ------> Something super-nice.
Chingaderita ------> something of no value
Chingadazo ------> a real big hit to your body or a thing (like your car)
Chinga a tu madre! The worst insult ever in Mexico, mother fucker would be
close enough.
I could be sitting here all night giving you examples. There are much more.
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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05 Jan 2004 02:55:32 AM |
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote in message
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
A troll? A chingao!!
Excuse my ignorance ;) isn't 'chingar' (as a verb) slang for 'to *****'?
Then what would 'chingao' mean?
My guess: 'fucked-up person'. But that sounds like an insult to me. What's
the right translation?
You are partially right. Chingar ----->to *****. but it has many more
meanings, and is not necessarily a verb. Chinga'o as I wrote is translated
as a vulgar: "good grief".
This is one of the most perplexing words to insult ant to refer to things
for the non-native Mexican speaker. I'll give you some examples:
Que chingados! ------> You confront someone about a possible problem.
Me chingaron ------> You lose, or something non-legal (in the moral or
legislative way) was done to you.
Me lleva la chingada! -------> something bad is happening to you.
Soy un chingón ------> You are very good at something (ej physics)
ChingonerÃa ------> Something super-nice.
Chingaderita ------> something of no value
Chingadazo ------> a real big hit to your body or a thing (like your car)
Chinga a tu madre! The worst insult ever in Mexico, mother fucker would be
close enough.
I could be sitting here all night giving you examples. There are much more.
Amazing. Plasticity made word, it seems. I stand in awe :O
I don't think we have anything that flexible over here... 'joder' comes to mind, but for what you describe it doesn't even come close.
I bet you play at your heart's desire with the clueless spanish tourists over there... but I won't be confused that easily. When I visit Mexico, I'll hire a local translator ;)
I couldn't sleep, so I did a quick search on the word to kill some time. It didn't look like latin to me, I suspected a native american word. Wrong, as usual. It's not latin, but it isn't american either:
From the Dictionary of the Royal Academy:
Chingar:
From gypsy language Äingarár, to fight.
1. To importunate, to bother.
2. (Vulgar) To have intercourse.
3. (Colloquial) To drink spirits often.
4. (Central America) To cut an animal's tail.
5. (Canary Islands) To splash, to spatter, to sprinkle.
6. To tinkle.
7. (Argentina, Uruguay) To hang a garment's selvage in an odd way (what?).
8. To get drunk.
9. (Canary Islands, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia) To fail, to not aim, to get frustrated.
I only knew nº 2, 'to shag'.
It doesn't even mention Mexico. Stupid dictionary.
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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05 Jan 2004 02:23:57 PM |
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"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote in message
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote in message
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
A troll? A chingao!!
Excuse my ignorance ;) isn't 'chingar' (as a verb) slang for 'to *****'?
Then what would 'chingao' mean?
My guess: 'fucked-up person'. But that sounds like an insult to me.
What's
the right translation?
You are partially right. Chingar ----->to *****. but it has many more
meanings, and is not necessarily a verb. Chinga'o as I wrote is
translated
as a vulgar: "good grief".
This is one of the most perplexing words to insult ant to refer to
things
for the non-native Mexican speaker. I'll give you some examples:
Que chingados! ------> You confront someone about a possible problem.
Me chingaron ------> You lose, or something non-legal (in the moral or
legislative way) was done to you.
Me lleva la chingada! -------> something bad is happening to you.
Soy un chingón ------> You are very good at something (ej physics)
Chingonería ------> Something super-nice.
Chingaderita ------> something of no value
Chingadazo ------> a real big hit to your body or a thing (like your
car)
Chinga a tu madre! The worst insult ever in Mexico, mother fucker would
be
close enough.
I could be sitting here all night giving you examples. There are much
more.
Amazing. Plasticity made word, it seems. I stand in awe :O
Yes, people are ingenious here.
I don't think we have anything that flexible over here... 'joder' comes to
mind, but for what you describe it doesn't even come close.
I bet you play at your heart's desire with the clueless spanish tourists
over there...
What we do with foreigners is to teach them. We want them swearing as we do,
;o)
but I won't be confused that easily. When I visit Mexico, I'll hire a local
translator ;)
You wouldn't need it. Anyone you come across with will be more than willing
to help you with that.
I couldn't sleep, so I did a quick search on the word to kill some time.
It didn't look like latin to me, I suspected a native american word. Wrong,
as usual. It's not latin, but it isn't american either:
From the Dictionary of the Royal Academy:
Chingar:
From gypsy language cingarár, to fight.
1. To importunate, to bother.
2. (Vulgar) To have intercourse.
3. (Colloquial) To drink spirits often.
4. (Central America) To cut an animal's tail.
5. (Canary Islands) To splash, to spatter, to sprinkle.
6. To tinkle.
7. (Argentina, Uruguay) To hang a garment's selvage in an odd way (what?).
8. To get drunk.
9. (Canary Islands, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia) To fail, to not
aim, to get frustrated.
I only knew nº 2, 'to shag'.
It doesn't even mention Mexico. Stupid dictionary.
There are there some meanings we do not give to the word. Maybe in a
Larouse?
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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07 Jan 2004 05:20:15 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:55:32 +0000, neoholistic <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote:
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7. (Argentina, Uruguay) To hang a garment's selvage in an odd way (what?).
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'Selvege' is the edge of woven cloth, treated (with glue?) so that it
doesn't un-ravel before it is made into a garment (at which point the
selvege usually gets cut off). Perhaps the dictionary means 'garment made
from cloth cut on the bias', ie with the 'warp' and 'weft' going
diagonally instead of vertically and horizontaly; that makes the garment
soft and clingy and slightly stretchy, which can be quite sexy.
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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08 Jan 2004 05:53:17 AM |
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Whiskers wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:55:32 +0000, neoholistic <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote:
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7. (Argentina, Uruguay) To hang a garment's selvage in an odd way (what?).
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'Selvege' is the edge of woven cloth, treated (with glue?) so that it
doesn't un-ravel before it is made into a garment (at which point the
selvege usually gets cut off). Perhaps the dictionary means 'garment made
from cloth cut on the bias', ie with the 'warp' and 'weft' going
diagonally instead of vertically and horizontaly; that makes the garment
soft and clingy and slightly stretchy, which can be quite sexy.
Thanks for the explanation, Mr Whiskers!! ;)
(Actually the dictionary was in spanish, but knowing absolutely nothing about cloths, weaving or garment-making, I didn't quite understand the original... my translation was thus the best I could come with of something I didn't quite get in the first place, so it's not a surprise it looks even more garbled in english ;)
BTW, long time no read... holidays off the computer?
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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08 Jan 2004 07:57:27 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:53:17 +0000, neoholistic <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote:
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Thanks for the explanation, Mr Whiskers!! ;)
(Actually the dictionary was in spanish, but knowing absolutely nothing
about cloths, weaving or garment-making, I didn't quite understand the
original... my translation was thus the best I could come with of
something I didn't quite get in the first place, so it's not a surprise it
looks even more garbled in english ;)
I suspected that something of the sort might be involved. I'm impressed
that you managed to translate it at all, let alone well enough for me to
make an 'educated guess' at a different rendering.
Speaking of translations - I downloaded the mp3 of 'Un anyo Mas' that you
linked to recently; I like the performance, and the song :)) I did think
I might have a go at some English words, but so far I haven't been up to
it.
BTW, long time no read... holidays off the computer?
More a case of a med switch leaving me rather iffy; I've concentrated my
efforts in a more local support group, and some days haven't even looked
at ASD/F, but I am trying to keep up.
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09 Jan 2004 07:50:58 AM |
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In message
<pan.2004.01.09.01.57.24.894016@ID-107770.user.uni-berlin.de>, Whiskers
<catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:53:17 +0000, neoholistic <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote:
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BTW, long time no read... holidays off the computer?
More a case of a med switch leaving me rather iffy; I've concentrated my
efforts in a more local support group, and some days haven't even looked
at ASD/F, but I am trying to keep up.
More local than in your PC? Where do you keep it? :)
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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09 Jan 2004 03:31:08 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:50:58 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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More a case of a med switch leaving me rather iffy; I've concentrated my
efforts in a more local support group, and some days haven't even looked
at ASD/F, but I am trying to keep up.
More local than in your PC? Where do you keep it? :)
Erm - spread out all over the planet, but it's got a local flavour :))
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| User: "Janithor" |
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05 Jan 2004 03:57:28 PM |
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
A troll? A chingao!!
Lo siento, pero creo que soy mas chingon que tu, Senor.
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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05 Jan 2004 09:05:12 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Teilhard Knight wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
A troll? A chingao!!
Lo siento, pero creo que soy mas chingon que tu, Senor.
In your dreams. ;o)
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| User: "Jamal Chapultapec" |
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05 Jan 2004 07:23:09 PM |
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Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in news:3FF7E6A9.5000800@comcast.net:
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oi, what dreck.
Well you ARE a troll.
I mean ... look at you ... hammering things like that ... y'know?
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04 Jan 2004 06:09:51 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:10:49 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net>
wrote:
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oi, what dreck.
fee fi fo fum.... oh wait, that's giant ;)
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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04 Jan 2004 06:11:37 AM |
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oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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04 Jan 2004 10:01:31 AM |
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In message <3ff802fa$0$6754$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, SortaLily
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
Janithor's posting styles have generated some adverse opinions in the
past, but I don't recall anyone suggesting he was racist, so I'm sure
the local synagogue will be willing to convert him, if he's persistent
enough. Of course, his children wouldn't be Jewish unless wombn converts
too. Still, it'll give them something to do in the evenings. And
Shabbat. And Sunday (main day for classes). For a year or two. Then he
can look around for a Shul that uses Yiddish; I'll bet there are some in
the USA.
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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04 Jan 2004 07:38:08 PM |
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His kids could be jewish if he took the baby boys in for a little 'sinp
snip'. I don't know about the girls. A blessing from a rabbi? Would that
do it?
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In message <3ff802fa$0$6754$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, SortaLily
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
Janithor's posting styles have generated some adverse opinions in the
past, but I don't recall anyone suggesting he was racist, so I'm sure
the local synagogue will be willing to convert him, if he's persistent
enough. Of course, his children wouldn't be Jewish unless wombn converts
too. Still, it'll give them something to do in the evenings. And
Shabbat. And Sunday (main day for classes). For a year or two. Then he
can look around for a Shul that uses Yiddish; I'll bet there are some in
the USA.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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05 Jan 2004 01:33:34 AM |
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In message <3ff8c002$0$6750$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, SortaLily
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <3ff802fa$0$6754$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, SortaLily
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
Janithor's posting styles have generated some adverse opinions in the
past, but I don't recall anyone suggesting he was racist, so I'm sure
the local synagogue will be willing to convert him, if he's persistent
enough. Of course, his children wouldn't be Jewish unless wombn converts
too. Still, it'll give them something to do in the evenings. And
Shabbat. And Sunday (main day for classes). For a year or two. Then he
can look around for a Shul that uses Yiddish; I'll bet there are some in
the USA.
His kids could be jewish if he took the baby boys in for a little 'sinp
snip'. I don't know about the girls. A blessing from a rabbi? Would that
do it?
Jewishness is passed down the mother's line. A Jewish mother has Jewish
children, whatever her partner is. A Jewish father only has Jewish
children if his partner is Jewish, or if they convert. Conversion may be
easier for children, but it's a long process for adults like Janithor -
unlike Christians and Moslems, Jews aren't usually after converts.
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04 Jan 2004 02:35:16 PM |
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SortaLily wrote:
oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
In my residence hall when I was in college, out of 50 guys on my floor,
I think 2 of us weren't jewish. Herr Martinstein would have shat his pants.
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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04 Jan 2004 07:36:32 PM |
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Always thought you were a little mushgna .. (spelling?)
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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SortaLily wrote:
oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
In my residence hall when I was in college, out of 50 guys on my floor,
I think 2 of us weren't jewish. Herr Martinstein would have shat his
pants.
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| User: "harakiri" |
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05 Jan 2004 07:12:20 PM |
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m'suganach?
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
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Always thought you were a little mushgna .. (spelling?)
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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SortaLily wrote:
oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
In my residence hall when I was in college, out of 50 guys on my floor,
I think 2 of us weren't jewish. Herr Martinstein would have shat his
pants.
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06 Jan 2004 05:47:18 AM |
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/me smacks head! That is how you spell it. Thanks : )
"harakiri" <m.d.wittenberg@att.net> wrote in message
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m'suganach?
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
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Always thought you were a little mushgna .. (spelling?)
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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SortaLily wrote:
oi? Dreck? A little Yiddish?
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oi, what dreck.
In my residence hall when I was in college, out of 50 guys on my
floor,
I think 2 of us weren't jewish. Herr Martinstein would have shat his
pants.
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