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"wombn" |
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18 Feb 2005 10:18:42 PM |
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Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
For the record... (because I don't have my own husband killfiled, I
do end up finding out some of the things being said about me).
I'm not against belly shirts. I have a few, myself. But I learned
that I cannot dictate who gawks or where or how long. So I don't want
that kind of attention, then I'm careful about where I wear them.
When I *do* want that kind of attention, I *do* wear them and I don't
complain about the attention I get. That would be utterly stupid.
I don't *thinik* I have cellulite. But then I haven't looked at
myself in a full-length mirror since I gained 30 lbs. (in the past 2
years). But even if I do have cellulite, who cares? I'm 43. I'm not
out looking for beauty points.
And I've had a few obese friends over the years.
But--and I consider this to be the most important part--I've had male
friends & partners who have *complained* about women dressing in
clearly provocatives ways. None of them were Christian, or prudish in
any way. They just didn't like the manipulation.
and Luna, I don't talk to you because:
1) I don't need the aggravation. Stress is bad for depression.
2) Life is too short to waste on people who use the tactics that you
do
3) You have seemed to be incapable of being fair, courteous, and
diplomatic towards me in our disagreements.
4) I won't stoop to your methods. And that's what you require in
order to respect someone. I won't play that game with you.
When I "hear hear" and "me too", I'm most definitely not thinking of
you at all--unless the post I'm replying to is talking ABOUT YOU
SPECIFICALLY. You don't enter my thoughts all that often. And usually
only because *Thor* brings you to my attention.
I don't bake cookies. I eat them before they're baked. And I can
count on one hand the items I've baked in the last 2.5 years.
Now that that's cleared up.....
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
18 Feb 2005 10:29:19 PM |
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message news:eped115c4h92tksd2euj276lok36hnatiq@4ax.com...
:
: For the record... (because I don't have my own husband killfiled, I
: do end up finding out some of the things being said about me).
funny , he's the one that talks the baddest about you
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: I'm not against belly shirts. I have a few, myself. But I learned
: that I cannot dictate who gawks or where or how long. So I don't want
: that kind of attention, then I'm careful about where I wear them.
why buy what you are ashamed to wear ?
:
: When I *do* want that kind of attention, I *do* wear them and I don't
: complain about the attention I get. That would be utterly stupid.
buying them in the first place was already utterly stupid if you can't wear them
:
: I don't *thinik* I have cellulite. But then I haven't looked at
: myself in a full-length mirror since I gained 30 lbs. (in the past 2
: years). But even if I do have cellulite, who cares? I'm 43. I'm not
: out looking for beauty points.
everyone has some cellulite except me and i like my mirror
:
: And I've had a few obese friends over the years.
it's important to like yourself atta girl
:
: But--and I consider this to be the most important part--I've had male
: friends & partners who have *complained* about women dressing in
: clearly provocatives ways. None of them were Christian, or prudish in
: any way. They just didn't like the manipulation.
they lied to you to support and win you over by not insulting your cottage cheese
:
:
:
:
: and Luna, I don't talk to you because:
:
: 1) I don't need the aggravation. Stress is bad for depression.
: 2) Life is too short to waste on people who use the tactics that you
: do
: 3) You have seemed to be incapable of being fair, courteous, and
: diplomatic towards me in our disagreements.
: 4) I won't stoop to your methods. And that's what you require in
: order to respect someone. I won't play that game with you.
:
: When I "hear hear" and "me too", I'm most definitely not thinking of
: you at all--unless the post I'm replying to is talking ABOUT YOU
: SPECIFICALLY. You don't enter my thoughts all that often. And usually
: only because *Thor* brings you to my attention.
:
: I don't bake cookies. I eat them before they're baked. And I can
: count on one hand the items I've baked in the last 2.5 years.
:
: Now that that's cleared up.....
:
: --
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:
: If laughter is the best medicine,
: then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Nina" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
19 Feb 2005 06:25:28 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:18:42 -0800, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
But--and I consider this to be the most important part--I've had male
friends & partners who have *complained* about women dressing in
clearly provocatives ways. None of them were Christian, or prudish in
any way. They just didn't like the manipulation.
Just for whatever it's worth... I don't see clothing as
manipulation, but maybe I'm sitting on the wrong side of the fence.
What I *do* see is women dressing with NO sense of what is appropriate
to the occasion (yes, men do this too, but they seem to have a smaller
range of choices).
I was typing an exam key yesterday (sitting down), and I turned my
head and found myself face to face (so to speak) with my teaching
assistant's navel (she was standing up). Now, there's really only one
person with whom I'm willing to have that close a relationship to the
navel, and it isn't her.
If you're on your own time, wear whatever you want. If you're in a
work environment, I just don't want to know about your body parts,
however nice they may be.
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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| User: "chaptal" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
19 Feb 2005 06:50:09 AM |
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"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:lpbe111a9g2u96rlhc9mkehovli63rt4u4@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:18:42 -0800, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
But--and I consider this to be the most important part--I've had male
friends & partners who have *complained* about women dressing in
clearly provocatives ways. None of them were Christian, or prudish in
any way. They just didn't like the manipulation.
Just for whatever it's worth... I don't see clothing as
manipulation, but maybe I'm sitting on the wrong side of the fence.
What I *do* see is women dressing with NO sense of what is appropriate
to the occasion (yes, men do this too, but they seem to have a smaller
range of choices).
I was typing an exam key yesterday (sitting down), and I turned my
head and found myself face to face (so to speak) with my teaching
assistant's navel (she was standing up). Now, there's really only one
person with whom I'm willing to have that close a relationship to the
navel, and it isn't her.
If you're on your own time, wear whatever you want. If you're in a
work environment, I just don't want to know about your body parts,
however nice they may be.
True, there is clothing that's not workplace appropriate. I get to see a
co-worker's buttcrack. woo-hoo...
I generally like skin, buttcrack in the workplace though is not necessary.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
19 Feb 2005 11:26:00 AM |
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In message <5CGRd.34344$XY5.3109@fe2.columbus.rr.com>, chaptal
<eplunket@columbus.rr.com> writes
"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:lpbe111a9g2u96rlhc9mkehovli63rt4u4@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:18:42 -0800, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
But--and I consider this to be the most important part--I've had male
friends & partners who have *complained* about women dressing in
clearly provocatives ways. None of them were Christian, or prudish in
any way. They just didn't like the manipulation.
Just for whatever it's worth... I don't see clothing as
manipulation, but maybe I'm sitting on the wrong side of the fence.
What I *do* see is women dressing with NO sense of what is appropriate
to the occasion (yes, men do this too, but they seem to have a smaller
range of choices).
I was typing an exam key yesterday (sitting down), and I turned my
head and found myself face to face (so to speak) with my teaching
assistant's navel (she was standing up). Now, there's really only one
person with whom I'm willing to have that close a relationship to the
navel, and it isn't her.
If you're on your own time, wear whatever you want. If you're in a
work environment, I just don't want to know about your body parts,
however nice they may be.
True, there is clothing that's not workplace appropriate. I get to see a
co-worker's buttcrack. woo-hoo...
I generally like skin, buttcrack in the workplace though is not necessary.
Builders' cleavage.
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
19 Feb 2005 10:12:17 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:25:28 -0500, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I was typing an exam key yesterday (sitting down), and I turned my
head and found myself face to face (so to speak) with my teaching
assistant's navel (she was standing up). Now, there's really only one
person with whom I'm willing to have that close a relationship to the
navel, and it isn't her.
eek.
I've been fortunate, I guess. The places I've worked ... I guess
they were fairly formal. Jeans only on fridays, kind of thing.
Although, there were some fairly short skirts now and then. My boss
had great legs and did show them off a bit. I rarely notice what
anyone's wearing, but I did notice her legs and remember thinking,
"isn't that skirt just a bit too short?"
ah well. It was part of a business suit, so I figured I just dind't
know what the latest fashions were.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Nina" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
20 Feb 2005 05:43:26 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:12:17 -0800, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:25:28 -0500, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I was typing an exam key yesterday (sitting down), and I turned my
head and found myself face to face (so to speak) with my teaching
assistant's navel (she was standing up). Now, there's really only one
person with whom I'm willing to have that close a relationship to the
navel, and it isn't her.
eek.
I've been fortunate, I guess. The places I've worked ... I guess
they were fairly formal. Jeans only on fridays, kind of thing.
Although, there were some fairly short skirts now and then. My boss
had great legs and did show them off a bit. I rarely notice what
anyone's wearing, but I did notice her legs and remember thinking,
"isn't that skirt just a bit too short?"
ah well. It was part of a business suit, so I figured I just dind't
know what the latest fashions were.
I have this argument with my students all the time, because they want
to wear business suits with, basically, miniskirts. And spike heels.
And they look really cute... actually, to me, they look like little
kids dressing up in mom's clothes, but that's me. But that's not what
the idea is, and it does NOT help you get hired.
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
20 Feb 2005 06:42:16 AM |
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Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:12:17 -0800, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:25:28 -0500, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I was typing an exam key yesterday (sitting down), and I turned my
head and found myself face to face (so to speak) with my teaching
assistant's navel (she was standing up).
feh.
anyone's wearing, but I did notice her legs and remember thinking,
I have this argument with my students all the time, because they want
to wear business suits with, basically, miniskirts. And spike heels.
And they look really cute... actually, to me, they look like little
kids dressing up in mom's clothes, but that's me. But that's not what
the idea is, and it does NOT help you get hired.
no it doesn't, I've heard some ppl say "can't find young women
I care to hire" (bc the dress/undress is too extreme)
they can pose for office supply catalogs, that's one real
opportunity ...
do you also discourage the net stockings? they should hear some
tapes of all-male conversations (about young women in heels and net s.)
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| User: "Nina" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
20 Feb 2005 06:56:13 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:42:16 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com>
wrote:
Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:12:17 -0800, wombn
<wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:25:28 -0500, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I was typing an exam key yesterday (sitting down), and I turned my
head and found myself face to face (so to speak) with my teaching
assistant's navel (she was standing up).
feh.
anyone's wearing, but I did notice her legs and remember thinking,
I have this argument with my students all the time, because they want
to wear business suits with, basically, miniskirts. And spike heels.
And they look really cute... actually, to me, they look like little
kids dressing up in mom's clothes, but that's me. But that's not what
the idea is, and it does NOT help you get hired.
no it doesn't, I've heard some ppl say "can't find young women
I care to hire" (bc the dress/undress is too extreme)
they can pose for office supply catalogs, that's one real
opportunity ...
do you also discourage the net stockings? they should hear some
tapes of all-male conversations (about young women in heels and net s.)
Oh god. I've never seen them do that. Yet. <internal gasp of
horror>
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
20 Feb 2005 01:55:21 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:43:26 -0500, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
ah well. It was part of a business suit, so I figured I just dind't
know what the latest fashions were.
I have this argument with my students all the time, because they want
to wear business suits with, basically, miniskirts. And spike heels.
And they look really cute... actually, to me, they look like little
kids dressing up in mom's clothes, but that's me. But that's not what
the idea is, and it does NOT help you get hired.
well the boss wasn't a little kid. Mid-40's, I think. And it wasn't
*quite* a miniskirt. But it was a few inches above the knees. Still.
When someone as fashion unobservant as me notices it......
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: Belly shirts, etc, For The Record. |
20 Feb 2005 01:57:37 PM |
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message news:8nqh11t1bgrnclcpap8kfb7a3rfr8vkjuh@4ax.com...
: On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:43:26 -0500, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
: wrote:
:
: >
: >>ah well. It was part of a business suit, so I figured I just dind't
: >>know what the latest fashions were.
: >
: >I have this argument with my students all the time, because they want
: >to wear business suits with, basically, miniskirts. And spike heels.
: >And they look really cute... actually, to me, they look like little
: >kids dressing up in mom's clothes, but that's me. But that's not what
: >the idea is, and it does NOT help you get hired.
:
: well the boss wasn't a little kid. Mid-40's, I think. And it wasn't
: *quite* a miniskirt. But it was a few inches above the knees. Still.
: When someone as fashion unobservant as me notices it......
:
:
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: If laughter is the best medicine,
: then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
everybody should just be naked
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