Should not sing the US National Anthem
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| User: "Millipede Man" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
04 Feb 2007 09:25:46 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
I think nobody should sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl. Since
these games are not international, I don't see any need for a national
anthem.
Speaking of unnecessary, I think the "pledge of allegiance" in American
schools should be eliminated. Since the children in most foreign schools
don't "pledge allegiance" to their countries' flags, why is it done
here? It's a ceremony that might be appropriate in a military setting,
but in a school?
Regarding holding the hand over the heart while pledging, Wikipedia
writes:
"Before World War II, the Pledge was begun with the right hand over the
heart during the phrase "I pledge allegiance". The arm was then extended
toward the Flag at the phrase "to the Flag", and it remained
outstretched during the rest of the pledge, with the palm facing upward,
as if to lift the flag. An earlier version, the Bellamy salute,
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began
with the right hand in a military salute, not over the heart. Both of
these salutes differed from the Roman salute, where the palm was toward
the ground. However, during the war the outstretched arm became
identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today
the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the
heart."
If the "pledge of allegiance" is to be kept, the ridiculous "hand over
heart" gesture (which I don't think is used anywhere else in the world)
should at least be replaced with the Roman salute (arm raised and
extended towards the flag, palm facing downward).
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- Millipede Man
Human adoptive father of Millie and Mollie
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
04 Feb 2007 09:30:09 PM |
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"Millipede Man" <milliman@millipede.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98CDC5A79B7B2qwertyasdfgzxcvbuiop@207.115.17.102...
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
I think nobody should sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl.
Since
these games are not international, I don't see any need for a national
anthem.
Speaking of unnecessary, I think the "pledge of allegiance" in
American
schools should be eliminated. Since the children in most foreign
schools
don't "pledge allegiance" to their countries' flags, why is it done
here? It's a ceremony that might be appropriate in a military setting,
but in a school?
Regarding holding the hand over the heart while pledging, Wikipedia
writes:
"Before World War II, the Pledge was begun with the right hand over
the
heart during the phrase "I pledge allegiance". The arm was then
extended
toward the Flag at the phrase "to the Flag", and it remained
outstretched during the rest of the pledge, with the palm facing
upward,
as if to lift the flag. An earlier version, the Bellamy salute,
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began
with the right hand in a military salute, not over the heart. Both of
these salutes differed from the Roman salute, where the palm was
toward
the ground. However, during the war the outstretched arm became
identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today
the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the
heart."
If the "pledge of allegiance" is to be kept, the ridiculous "hand over
heart" gesture (which I don't think is used anywhere else in the
world)
should at least be replaced with the Roman salute (arm raised and
extended towards the flag, palm facing downward).
--
- Millipede Man
Human adoptive father of Millie and Mollie
nice cut and paste job
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
04 Feb 2007 10:07:27 PM |
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then % wrote, On 2/4/2007 8:30 PM:
"Millipede Man" <milliman@millipede.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98CDC5A79B7B2qwertyasdfgzxcvbuiop@207.115.17.102...
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
I think nobody should sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl.
Since
these games are not international, I don't see any need for a national
anthem.
Speaking of unnecessary, I think the "pledge of allegiance" in
American
schools should be eliminated. Since the children in most foreign
schools
don't "pledge allegiance" to their countries' flags, why is it done
here? It's a ceremony that might be appropriate in a military setting,
but in a school?
Regarding holding the hand over the heart while pledging, Wikipedia
writes:
"Before World War II, the Pledge was begun with the right hand over
the
heart during the phrase "I pledge allegiance". The arm was then
extended
toward the Flag at the phrase "to the Flag", and it remained
outstretched during the rest of the pledge, with the palm facing
upward,
as if to lift the flag. An earlier version, the Bellamy salute,
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began
with the right hand in a military salute, not over the heart. Both of
these salutes differed from the Roman salute, where the palm was
toward
the ground. However, during the war the outstretched arm became
identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today
the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the
heart."
If the "pledge of allegiance" is to be kept, the ridiculous "hand over
heart" gesture (which I don't think is used anywhere else in the
world)
should at least be replaced with the Roman salute (arm raised and
extended towards the flag, palm facing downward).
--
- Millipede Man
Human adoptive father of Millie and Mollie
nice cut and paste job
<ctrl-v> Heil!
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
04 Feb 2007 09:33:12 PM |
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Don't change my threat into your political *****!
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| User: "%" |
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04 Feb 2007 09:48:51 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qeednWdKCYbxOFvYnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Don't change my threat into your political *****!
i wish i knew who this was to
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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05 Feb 2007 01:53:59 AM |
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In message <Xns98CDC5A79B7B2qwertyasdfgzxcvbuiop@207.115.17.102>,
Millipede Man <milliman@millipede.net> writes
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
I think nobody should sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl. Since
these games are not international, I don't see any need for a national
anthem.
Speaking of unnecessary, I think the "pledge of allegiance" in American
schools should be eliminated. Since the children in most foreign schools
don't "pledge allegiance" to their countries' flags, why is it done
here? It's a ceremony that might be appropriate in a military setting,
but in a school?
Regarding holding the hand over the heart while pledging, Wikipedia
writes:
"Before World War II, the Pledge was begun with the right hand over the
heart during the phrase "I pledge allegiance". The arm was then extended
toward the Flag at the phrase "to the Flag", and it remained
outstretched during the rest of the pledge, with the palm facing upward,
as if to lift the flag. An earlier version, the Bellamy salute,
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began
with the right hand in a military salute, not over the heart. Both of
these salutes differed from the Roman salute, where the palm was toward
the ground. However, during the war the outstretched arm became
identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today
the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the
heart."
If the "pledge of allegiance" is to be kept, the ridiculous "hand over
heart" gesture (which I don't think is used anywhere else in the world)
should at least be replaced with the Roman salute (arm raised and
extended towards the flag, palm facing downward).
You're back, then, Marty.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
04 Feb 2007 09:41:15 PM |
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On Feb 4, 10:25 pm, Millipede Man <milli...@millipede.net> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nos...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
I think nobody should sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl. Since
these games are not international, I don't see any need for a national
anthem.
Speaking of unnecessary, I think the "pledge of allegiance" in American
schools should be eliminated. Since the children in most foreign schools
don't "pledge allegiance" to their countries' flags, why is it done
here? It's a ceremony that might be appropriate in a military setting,
but in a school?
Regarding holding the hand over the heart while pledging, Wikipedia
writes:
"Before World War II, the Pledge was begun with the right hand over the
heart during the phrase "I pledge allegiance". The arm was then extended
toward the Flag at the phrase "to the Flag", and it remained
outstretched during the rest of the pledge, with the palm facing upward,
as if to lift the flag. An earlier version, the Bellamy salute,
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute
also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began
with the right hand in a military salute, not over the heart. Both of
these salutes differed from the Roman salute, where the palm was toward
the ground. However, during the war the outstretched arm became
identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today
the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the
heart."
If the "pledge of allegiance" is to be kept, the ridiculous "hand over
heart" gesture (which I don't think is used anywhere else in the world)
should at least be replaced with the Roman salute (arm raised and
extended towards the flag, palm facing downward).
--
- Millipede Man
Human adoptive father of Millie and Mollie
Eins Veit In Dleter Reicht!!!!
At ease, youngster. The days of your sniper ways will be here soon.
The first attack will be a pincer move....and hand on heart, with a
millipede on my face, I will join you and your Star Trek brothers in
combat against The Romulans. Those pricks.
But for now, stay out of Jane's thread. Kay?
--Frett
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| User: "Bacon" |
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05 Feb 2007 07:39:18 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 03:25:46 GMT, Millipede Man
<milliman@millipede.net> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
I think nobody should sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl. Since
these games are not international, I don't see any need for a national
anthem.
Speaking of unnecessary, I think the "pledge of allegiance" in American
schools should be eliminated. Since the children in most foreign schools
don't "pledge allegiance" to their countries' flags, why is it done
here? It's a ceremony that might be appropriate in a military setting,
but in a school?
Didn't read on, a little long...but I have to agree on these
ceremonious (is that a word) renditions of national pride. They lose
meaning, who really thinks about the anthem at the ball game, all
you're thinking is whether it's impolite to sip your beer.
And I don't pledge allegiance to anything, that's just some leftover
ritual that kids never even knew what meant...all remnants of WWII era
probably.
How've you been MM? I've always respected your opinions, just not the
way they are sometimes expressed.
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| User: "Millipede Man" |
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05 Feb 2007 11:20:09 PM |
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Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in news:0rmfs2h5qn793cogi1ikn7gcsgrjgrfqno@
4ax.com:
Didn't read on, a little long...but I have to agree on these
ceremonious (is that a word) renditions of national pride. They lose
meaning, who really thinks about the anthem at the ball game, all
you're thinking is whether it's impolite to sip your beer.
And I don't pledge allegiance to anything, that's just some leftover
ritual that kids never even knew what meant...all remnants of WWII era
probably.
How've you been MM? I've always respected your opinions, just not the
way they are sometimes expressed.
Thanks for asking. I'm neither worse nor better than before.
I wish I could be as carefree as Millie and Mollie.
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- Millipede Man
Human adoptive father of Millie and Mollie
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| User: "slunky" |
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06 Feb 2007 02:20:09 PM |
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_/ Millipede Man wrote \_
I wish I could be as carefree as Millie and Mollie.
It's hard to be as carefree as something that doesn't exist.
--
-slunky
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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05 Feb 2007 11:17:32 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:39:18 -0600, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:
How've you been MM? I've always respected your opinions, just not the
way they are sometimes expressed.
I hope you don't agree with MM's opinion that all Jews should be killed.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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05 Feb 2007 11:33:39 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:17:32 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:39:18 -0600, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:
How've you been MM? I've always respected your opinions, just not the
way they are sometimes expressed.
I hope you don't agree with MM's opinion that all Jews should be killed.
I'm glad you posted so I can clarify. I don't respect his opinions of
course, just his right to have them and post about them...
I value his perspective because its out there, and it's part of our
world and I don't want to dismiss hatred and racism but live it and
try to better understand it.
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| User: "jordy" |
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06 Feb 2007 05:10:42 PM |
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On Feb 6, 12:33 am, Bacon <rbkf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:17:32 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDr...@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:39:18 -0600, Bacon <rbkf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
How've you been MM? I've always respected your opinions, just not the
way they are sometimes expressed.
I hope you don't agree with MM's opinion that all Jews should be killed.
I'm glad you posted so I can clarify. I don't respect his opinions of
course, just his right to have them and post about them...
I value his perspective because its out there, and it's part of our
world and I don't want to dismiss hatred and racism but live it and
try to better understand it.
I agree in theory, but it is hard to put into practise... as it sais
somewhere in "the world according to garp", how do you tolerate the
intolerant? maybe non violent communication is a great idea, but
people like Marty certainly put that idea to the test... this is a
topic I think about a great deal, and there are no easy answers...
sometimes I think that everyone, no matter how horrible and hateful
there behavior is, should have at least a few people be supportive of
them, as long as the majority of people don't tolerate the person's
behavior... maybe everyone should have at least one or two friends, or
they will be even worse behaved due to the extreme isolation that
results from their behavior...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "%" |
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04 Feb 2007 07:36:31 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Should not sing the US National Anthem
or should only do studio stuff so they can fix it before you hear it
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| User: "Kereluk, Darren L." |
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04 Feb 2007 08:18:21 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Should not sing the US National Anthem
As God/Allah/Buddha et al, or not, are my witnesses, neither should Rosanne.
If she did so again, it would surely lend aid and comfort to terrorists
everywhere.
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| User: "Jesters mummy" |
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05 Feb 2007 06:55:39 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:18:21 -0600, "Kereluk, Darren L."
<dlkereluk@NOTsasktel.netxO> wrote:
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<(((*>"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<(((*>news:I5qdnfgeVpVfFVvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@adelphia.com...
<(((*>> Should not sing the US National Anthem
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<(((*>As God/Allah/Buddha et al, or not, are my witnesses, neither should Rosanne.
<(((*>If she did so again, it would surely lend aid and comfort to terrorists
<(((*>everywhere.
Darren! How are you, man?
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "" |
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04 Feb 2007 09:21:37 PM |
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On Feb 4, 8:28 pm, "Jane" <jarsenal66nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
Oh my, did he do that? Where's whitney when ya need her.
trivia: his homestead, oyster bay,NY 9 miles by boat from my
homestead in CT.
"They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank
Manhatten out to sea."
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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05 Feb 2007 02:17:09 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:28:35 -0500, "Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
No male should ever sing that song. Get Christina Aguilera to sing it. The
song is so hideous I could just fixate on her exposed belly button to drown
it out.
I think America The Beautiful should be the national anthem. It's a much
better tune. It'll never happen because it mentions God though.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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06 Feb 2007 05:22:33 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
CyberDroog wrote:
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:28:35 -0500, "Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
No male should ever sing that song. Get Christina Aguilera to sing it. The
song is so hideous I could just fixate on her exposed belly button to drown
it out.
I think America The Beautiful should be the national anthem. It's a much
better tune. It'll never happen because it mentions God though.
"God Bless America" - just for our European & Canadian friends. :-)
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| User: "jordy" |
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07 Feb 2007 10:53:41 AM |
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On Feb 6, 6:22 pm, Janithor <Janit...@comcast.net> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
CyberDroog wrote:
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:28:35 -0500, "Jane" <jarsenal66nos...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Should not sing the US National Anthem
No male should ever sing that song. Get Christina Aguilera to sing it. The
song is so hideous I could just fixate on her exposed belly button to drown
it out.
I think America The Beautiful should be the national anthem. It's a much
better tune. It'll never happen because it mentions God though.
"God Bless America" - just for our European & Canadian friends. :-)
I always think saying the pledge of allegiance and "god bless
america" is terrible... What's inclusive is "god bless the world", or
the earth, or the universe, actually, as cyberdroog pointed out, "god
bless ALL universes" is the best way to say it... that's what's most
inclusive...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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07 Feb 2007 04:22:41 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2007 08:53:41 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
I always think saying the pledge of allegiance and "god bless
america" is terrible... What's inclusive is "god bless the world", or
the earth, or the universe, actually, as cyberdroog pointed out, "god
bless ALL universes" is the best way to say it... that's what's most
inclusive...
Who says you have to be inclusive? When someone says "God bless America",
it isn't like they are saying "***** everyone else." Charity, and love,
begins at home. We all have very personal attachments to our homes. Hoping
your own apartment building doesn't burn down while you sleep doesn't mean
you want it to happen to someone else.
There is also the point that when people say it, they intend it to mean God
blessing the fundamental principles of our nation, whether we have lived up
to them or not. (Usually not - but isn't that the case with most prayer; we
usually start by apologizing for our shortcomings before asking for
favors.) Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and (no matter how much
you may disagree) every man keeping the fruits of his labor.
Granted there are many, many countries that need these blessings more than
America. But God is a busy man and doesn't get around to it, so we send the
Marines. Maybe God ignores the requests because he wants more Marines in
heaven.
I don't care to say it personally because I know for a fact that God
doesn't bless anything based on my requests. In that sense it seems silly.
Pray or flip a coin, you'll get the same results on average.
Here, I'll do it right now. I'm flipping a quarter. Heads up, there is no
suicide bombing in Iraq tomorrow killing dozens of people.
It's heads. Let's keep an eye on the news and trust in George Washington.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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07 Feb 2007 05:51:30 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:0djks29j7qlnkn6c5otmuk5la0435od0q0@news.easynews.com...
On 7 Feb 2007 08:53:41 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
I always think saying the pledge of allegiance and "god bless
america" is terrible... What's inclusive is "god bless the world", or
the earth, or the universe, actually, as cyberdroog pointed out, "god
bless ALL universes" is the best way to say it... that's what's most
inclusive...
Who says you have to be inclusive? When someone says "God bless America",
it isn't like they are saying "***** everyone else." Charity, and love,
begins at home. We all have very personal attachments to our homes. Hoping
your own apartment building doesn't burn down while you sleep doesn't mean
you want it to happen to someone else.
There is also the point that when people say it, they intend it to mean
God
blessing the fundamental principles of our nation, whether we have lived
up
to them or not. (Usually not - but isn't that the case with most prayer;
we
usually start by apologizing for our shortcomings before asking for
favors.) Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and (no matter how much
you may disagree) every man keeping the fruits of his labor.
Granted there are many, many countries that need these blessings more than
America. But God is a busy man and doesn't get around to it, so we send
the
Marines. Maybe God ignores the requests because he wants more Marines in
heaven.
This reminds me of that Chris Rock comedy in which he runs for President.
His opponent ends every interview, campaign ad, and public appearance with,
"God Bless America! And nobody else!" :-)
--
Rhi
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
08 Feb 2007 01:21:43 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:51:30 -0500, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
Granted there are many, many countries that need these blessings more than
America. But God is a busy man and doesn't get around to it, so we send
the
Marines. Maybe God ignores the requests because he wants more Marines in
heaven.
This reminds me of that Chris Rock comedy in which he runs for President.
His opponent ends every interview, campaign ad, and public appearance with,
"God Bless America! And nobody else!" :-)
Heh... well, perhaps there are a very few who feel that way. But I doubt it
is many. I wish well for every country on earth. I do feel that life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness really *are* inalienable rights, and
despise dictatorial regimes that treat their citizens like chattel. So when
I wish them well, I am always wishing they have more of what I enjoy.
So I'm intolerant of dictatorial regimes. Oh well. We all have our faults.
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| User: "jordy" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
07 Feb 2007 04:42:36 PM |
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On Feb 7, 5:22 pm, CyberDroog <CyberDr...@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 08:53:41 -0800, "jordy" <I...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I always think saying the pledge of allegiance and "god bless
america" is terrible... What's inclusive is "god bless the world", or
the earth, or the universe, actually, as cyberdroog pointed out, "god
bless ALL universes" is the best way to say it... that's what's most
inclusive...
Who says you have to be inclusive? When someone says "God bless America",
it isn't like they are saying "***** everyone else." Charity, and love,
begins at home. We all have very personal attachments to our homes. Hoping
your own apartment building doesn't burn down while you sleep doesn't mean
you want it to happen to someone else.
that's true, but I think the world would be a better place if we
considered all of the universes to be our home, not just the place we
happen to reside in... the other thing is that this attachment seems
very old fashioned to me... and I'm trying to speak out against old
fashioned thinking, partly I think, because I have a lot of parts of
myself that are old fashioned... the truth is that I'm trying to
change myself more then I am trying to change anyone else... I'M the
one who wants to be less old fashioned... maybe there is a place for
old fashioned ideas and values in the world.. certainly not all modern
ideas are beneficial... but still, so many people speak up for old
fashioned ideas... I think we need more people to be an advocate for
alternative ideas, and I'm happy to join those people...
-"Jordy"
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
07 Feb 2007 04:48:56 PM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170888156.347562.269410@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 5:22 pm, CyberDroog <CyberDr...@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 08:53:41 -0800, "jordy" <I...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I always think saying the pledge of allegiance and "god bless
america" is terrible... What's inclusive is "god bless the world",
or
the earth, or the universe, actually, as cyberdroog pointed out,
"god
bless ALL universes" is the best way to say it... that's what's
most
inclusive...
Who says you have to be inclusive? When someone says "God bless
America",
it isn't like they are saying "***** everyone else." Charity, and
love,
begins at home. We all have very personal attachments to our homes.
Hoping
your own apartment building doesn't burn down while you sleep
doesn't mean
you want it to happen to someone else.
that's true, but I think the world would be a better place if we
considered all of the universes to be our home, not just the place we
happen to reside in... the other thing is that this attachment seems
very old fashioned to me... and I'm trying to speak out against old
fashioned thinking, partly I think, because I have a lot of parts of
myself that are old fashioned... the truth is that I'm trying to
change myself more then I am trying to change anyone else... I'M the
one who wants to be less old fashioned... maybe there is a place for
old fashioned ideas and values in the world.. certainly not all modern
ideas are beneficial... but still, so many people speak up for old
fashioned ideas... I think we need more people to be an advocate for
alternative ideas, and I'm happy to join those people...
-"Jordy"
why stop at the universe lets make it one big family too ,
the we can all be related , how does it feel to know you and Bin Laden
are kin
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| User: "jordy" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
08 Feb 2007 03:17:23 PM |
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On Feb 7, 5:48 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"jordy" <I...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170888156.347562.269410@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 5:22 pm, CyberDroog <CyberDr...@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 08:53:41 -0800, "jordy" <I...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I always think saying the pledge of allegiance and "god bless
america" is terrible... What's inclusive is "god bless the world",
or
the earth, or the universe, actually, as cyberdroog pointed out,
"god
bless ALL universes" is the best way to say it... that's what's
most
inclusive...
Who says you have to be inclusive? When someone says "God bless
America",
it isn't like they are saying "***** everyone else." Charity, and
love,
begins at home. We all have very personal attachments to our homes.
Hoping
your own apartment building doesn't burn down while you sleep
doesn't mean
you want it to happen to someone else.
that's true, but I think the world would be a better place if we
considered all of the universes to be our home, not just the place we
happen to reside in... the other thing is that this attachment seems
very old fashioned to me... and I'm trying to speak out against old
fashioned thinking, partly I think, because I have a lot of parts of
myself that are old fashioned... the truth is that I'm trying to
change myself more then I am trying to change anyone else... I'M the
one who wants to be less old fashioned... maybe there is a place for
old fashioned ideas and values in the world.. certainly not all modern
ideas are beneficial... but still, so many people speak up for old
fashioned ideas... I think we need more people to be an advocate for
alternative ideas, and I'm happy to join those people...
-"Jordy"
why stop at the universe lets make it one big family too ,
the we can all be related , how does it feel to know you and Bin Laden
are kin
maybe we should all think of ourselves as kin... including Bin
Laden... true, Bin Laden's actions have been dispicable... what he did
was unbelievably terrible and destructive, maybe even "evil" is the
right word for it... but still, neverending back and forth violence
and war and bloodshed is not the awnser... we have to find ways to get
along, somehow...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
08 Feb 2007 03:28:06 PM |
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"jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170969443.283339.85050@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 5:48 pm, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
"jordy" <I...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170888156.347562.269410@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 5:22 pm, CyberDroog <CyberDr...@ClockworkOrange.com>
wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 08:53:41 -0800, "jordy" <I...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I always think saying the pledge of allegiance and "god
bless
america" is terrible... What's inclusive is "god bless the
world",
or
the earth, or the universe, actually, as cyberdroog pointed
out,
"god
bless ALL universes" is the best way to say it... that's what's
most
inclusive...
Who says you have to be inclusive? When someone says "God bless
America",
it isn't like they are saying "***** everyone else." Charity,
and
love,
begins at home. We all have very personal attachments to our
homes.
Hoping
your own apartment building doesn't burn down while you sleep
doesn't mean
you want it to happen to someone else.
that's true, but I think the world would be a better place if
we
considered all of the universes to be our home, not just the place
we
happen to reside in... the other thing is that this attachment
seems
very old fashioned to me... and I'm trying to speak out against
old
fashioned thinking, partly I think, because I have a lot of parts
of
myself that are old fashioned... the truth is that I'm trying to
change myself more then I am trying to change anyone else... I'M
the
one who wants to be less old fashioned... maybe there is a place
for
old fashioned ideas and values in the world.. certainly not all
modern
ideas are beneficial... but still, so many people speak up for old
fashioned ideas... I think we need more people to be an advocate
for
alternative ideas, and I'm happy to join those people...
-"Jordy"
why stop at the universe lets make it one big family too ,
the we can all be related , how does it feel to know you and Bin
Laden
are kin
maybe we should all think of ourselves as kin... including Bin
Laden... true, Bin Laden's actions have been dispicable... what he did
was unbelievably terrible and destructive, maybe even "evil" is the
right word for it... but still, neverending back and forth violence
and war and bloodshed is not the awnser... we have to find ways to get
along, somehow...
-"Jordy"
now let me see you say , hi Uncle Adolf
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
08 Feb 2007 07:06:02 PM |
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On 8 Feb 2007 13:17:23 -0800, "jordy" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
maybe we should all think of ourselves as kin... including Bin
Laden... true, Bin Laden's actions have been dispicable... what he did
was unbelievably terrible and destructive, maybe even "evil" is the
right word for it... but still, neverending back and forth violence
and war and bloodshed is not the awnser... we have to find ways to get
along, somehow...
Tough idea. Israel and Hezbollah et al have been trying it for years and it
never works. Who puts down their gun first? No me. But I *trust* me. You
put down your gun first and we'll talk.
I don't think Middle Eastern culture is open to the idea. Isrealis vs
muslims, and muslims cults against each other. Too much blood lust and
vendettas. I suppose I'd feel the same if my family were killed. But at
some point they have to draw the line and think about those in their
families who are still alive.
The U.S. dropped the only atomic bombs ever used in war on Japan. Talk
about a root for bloodlust. Yet the U.S. and Japan are pretty good friends
now. And you don't see German suicide bombers hitting England and the U.S.
because of what happened in Dresden. We're pretty good friends with Germany
also. Economically at least, not as much philosophically.
But we let it go and aren't violently at each others throats all the time.
I suppose it helped that, unlike WWI, after WWII the allies paid a lot of
money to help rebuild Germany and not leave her hamstrung and destined for
runaway inflation. We helped rebuilt Japan also.
At this point I don't think muslims will ever accept anything of the kind.
Even if the Israelis offered to pay (with American cash...) to help build
Gaza into an economic paradise, the Palestinians, Hezbollah, and the like
would still be firing off rockets.
It looks like a cage match, to the death.
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| User: "slunky" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
08 Feb 2007 03:22:13 PM |
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_/ jordy wrote \_
maybe we should all think of ourselves as kin... including Bin
Laden... true, Bin Laden's actions have been dispicable... what he did
was unbelievably terrible and destructive, maybe even "evil" is the
right word for it... but still, neverending back and forth violence
and war and bloodshed is not the awnser... we have to find ways to get
along, somehow...
Yea, so let's just let him blow people up. Sure, civilian lives will be
lost every few years, but it's a small price to pay for a big world hug.
--
-slunky
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| User: "jordy" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Joel |
08 Feb 2007 04:42:57 PM |
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On Feb 8, 4:22 pm, slunky <slu...@globalzero.org> wrote:
_/ jordy wrote \_
maybe we should all think of ourselves as kin... including Bin
Laden... true, Bin Laden's actions have been dispicable... what he did
was unbelievably terrible and destructive, maybe even "evil" is the
right word for it... but still, neverending back and forth violence
and war and bloodshed is not the awnser... we have to find ways to get
along, somehow...
Yea, so let's just let him blow people up. Sure, civilian lives will be
lost every few years, but it's a small price to pay for a big world hug.
--
-slunky
the problem is that no matter what we do, civilians will be blown
up... If we are agressive, it only aggravates the terriorists more
then they already are... Is there a solution? maybe not... but it
wouldn't hurt to try to change our policies around the world that
create such hatred... Is there an excuse for terrorist acts? is
terrorism ever justified? definatly not. but that doesn't mean we
can't try to change ourselves in order to generate less animosity
around the world...
-"Jordy"
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