Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it as a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used (as well as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would be greatly
appreciated.
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Dayge
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| User: "La Reina" |
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30 May 2004 06:00:35 PM |
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"Dayge" <dayge@mail.com> wrote in message
news:QWsuc.97642$hH.1740086@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it as a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used (as well
as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would be
greatly
appreciated.
--
Dayge
there are a few of us with BPD and it is treatable with meds and some also
see a therapist. You just need to find the right meds for you. There is
another NG alt.support.depression.manic and there are a lot of wonderful ppl
there that can answer all your questions.
Becky
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| User: "used2be" |
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30 May 2004 06:35:39 PM |
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"Dayge" <dayge@mail.com> wrote in message
news:QWsuc.97642$hH.1740086@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it as a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used (as well
as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would be
greatly
appreciated.
--
do you mean bipolar disorder, or borderline personality disorder? my guess
is the 2nd since it's what's usually called BPD, but i could be wrong...
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| User: "." |
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30 May 2004 07:36:50 PM |
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Dayge wrote...
Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it as a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used (as well as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would be greatly
appreciated.
If you mean Borderline Personality Disorder, I just created a news group
called alt.support.borderline. If your news server doesn't have it yet,
ask your news server administrator to add it to his news server.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30. Drugs often used include antidepressants (probably for
the mood component), mood stabilizers (lithium, valproate),
antipsychotics (seroquel, zyprexa)....basically anything the
psychiatrist can throw at your brain, s/he will :)
From what I've read, psychiatrists don't like treating borderline
patients, because they're often non-compliant, hostile, or otherwise
difficult.
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Regards,
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| User: "Terje Henriksen" |
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08 Jun 2004 03:44:11 AM |
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.. wrote:
Dayge wrote...
Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it
as a "diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used
(as well as to what success or failure they've been). Any
information would be greatly appreciated.
If you mean Borderline Personality Disorder, I just created a news
group called alt.support.borderline. If your news server doesn't have
it yet, ask your news server administrator to add it to his news
server.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30. Drugs often used include antidepressants (probably
for the mood component), mood stabilizers (lithium, valproate),
antipsychotics (seroquel, zyprexa)....basically anything the
psychiatrist can throw at your brain, s/he will :)
From what I've read, psychiatrists don't like treating borderline
patients, because they're often non-compliant, hostile, or otherwise
difficult.
Yes, because psychiatrists have not understood the problem or not-problem.
They are not qualified in dealing with spritual difficulties. All they can
do is describe the symptoms of something they do not know anything about.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
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| User: "sole" |
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08 Jun 2004 04:07:14 AM |
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BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30. .....
Regards,
.
Diminished Impulsivity in Older Patients With Borderline Personality
Disorder
Stevenson J, Meares R, Comerford A
The American Journal of Psychiatry. 2003;160(1):165-166
Clinical lore indicates that patients with borderline personality "burn out"
as they get older. The authors attempted to examine this hypothesis by
looking at 123 individuals with a diagnosis of borderline personality
disorder. By utilizing the Revised Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines (The
DIB-R), they were able to assess these patients in terms of the core
features of borderline personality disorder: affective disturbance,
relationship problems, cognitive disturbance, and impulsivity. They
discovered that the older patients showed significantly less impulsivity
than the younger patients, but in terms of the other parameters, such as an
affective instability, relationship problems, and cognitive disturbance,
there appeared to be no changes in the varying age groups. The authors
concluded that while impulsivity did seem to diminish as borderline patients
became older, the other disturbances in the disorder continue to cause
significant problems in the ability to interface with the world. Also, the
authors noted that the popular notion that affective instability and
impulsivity were connected did not seem to hold up in this study, and they
felt that this relationship needed to be further explored and studied.
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| User: "Dayge" |
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30 May 2004 08:59:38 PM |
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Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it as a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used (as well
as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would be
greatly
appreciated.
If you mean Borderline Personality Disorder,
Yes I do.
I just created a news group
called alt.support.borderline. If your news server doesn't have it yet,
ask your news server administrator to add it to his news server.
No they don't and yes I shall do that, thanks.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30. Drugs often used include antidepressants (probably for
the mood component), mood stabilizers (lithium, valproate),
antipsychotics (seroquel, zyprexa)....basically anything the
psychiatrist can throw at your brain, s/he will :)
I've been on various antidepressants for major depression and anti-anxiety
meds and I hate them enough to want to find another method of treatment. (I
have enough other ingestible crap I have to take outside of this little
problem.) I'm not current with the latest research on BPD though, which is
why I was asking. The last few things I read about BPD were about a year
ago and then I stopped looking. So is there no other alternative to drugs?
From what I've read, psychiatrists don't like treating borderline
patients, because they're often non-compliant, hostile, or otherwise
difficult.
Yeah, no kidding. (Sorry, don't mean to sound sarcastic, but you aren't the
first one to say that.) What do you mean by "From what I've read"? What
about PE?
--
Dayge
There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason
in madness.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), "On Reading and Writing"
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| User: "Pablo" |
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30 May 2004 10:11:51 PM |
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"Dayge" <dayge@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ekwuc.12867$_k3.298087@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it as
a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used (as
well
as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would be
greatly
appreciated.
If you mean Borderline Personality Disorder,
Yes I do.
I just created a news group
called alt.support.borderline. If your news server doesn't have it yet,
ask your news server administrator to add it to his news server.
No they don't and yes I shall do that, thanks.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30. Drugs often used include antidepressants (probably for
the mood component), mood stabilizers (lithium, valproate),
antipsychotics (seroquel, zyprexa)....basically anything the
psychiatrist can throw at your brain, s/he will :)
I've been on various antidepressants for major depression and anti-anxiety
meds and I hate them enough to want to find another method of treatment.
(I
have enough other ingestible crap I have to take outside of this little
problem.) I'm not current with the latest research on BPD though, which
is
why I was asking. The last few things I read about BPD were about a year
ago and then I stopped looking. So is there no other alternative to
drugs?
There is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. It is currently considered the
standard treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder.
From what I've read, psychiatrists don't like treating borderline
patients, because they're often non-compliant, hostile, or otherwise
difficult.
That's because many clinicians don't know how to work with them.
Yeah, no kidding. (Sorry, don't mean to sound sarcastic, but you aren't
the
first one to say that.) What do you mean by "From what I've read"? What
about PE?
--
Dayge
There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason
in madness.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), "On Reading and Writing"
Pablo
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| User: "mariav" |
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01 Jun 2004 03:42:13 PM |
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"Pablo" <nono@yes.com> wrote in message news:<Xnxuc.17620$be.2549@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Dayge" <dayge@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ekwuc.12867$_k3.298087@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat it as
a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used (as
well
as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would be
greatly
appreciated.
If you mean Borderline Personality Disorder,
Yes I do.
I just created a news group
called alt.support.borderline. If your news server doesn't have it yet,
ask your news server administrator to add it to his news server.
No they don't and yes I shall do that, thanks.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30. Drugs often used include antidepressants (probably for
the mood component), mood stabilizers (lithium, valproate),
antipsychotics (seroquel, zyprexa)....basically anything the
psychiatrist can throw at your brain, s/he will :)
I've been on various antidepressants for major depression and anti-anxiety
meds and I hate them enough to want to find another method of treatment.
(I
have enough other ingestible crap I have to take outside of this little
problem.) I'm not current with the latest research on BPD though, which
is
why I was asking. The last few things I read about BPD were about a year
ago and then I stopped looking. So is there no other alternative to
drugs?
There is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. It is currently considered the
standard treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder.
From what I've read, psychiatrists don't like treating borderline
patients, because they're often non-compliant, hostile, or otherwise
difficult.
That's because many clinicians don't know how to work with them.
Yeah, no kidding. (Sorry, don't mean to sound sarcastic, but you aren't
the
first one to say that.) What do you mean by "From what I've read"? What
about PE?
--
Dayge
There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason
in madness.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), "On Reading and Writing"
Pablo
I have never met a BP who was BPD.I think someone got the Dx wrong.
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| User: "Pablo" |
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01 Jun 2004 11:21:58 PM |
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"mariav" <obviouslymariav@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0be10ab.0406011242.5890cec1@posting.google.com...
"Pablo" <nono@yes.com> wrote in message
news:<Xnxuc.17620$be.2549@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Dayge" <dayge@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ekwuc.12867$_k3.298087@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Any posters diagnosed with BPD? I'm wondering how doctors treat
it as
a
"diagnosable condition" and also what treatments are being used
(as
well
as
to what success or failure they've been). Any information would
be
greatly
appreciated.
If you mean Borderline Personality Disorder,
Yes I do.
I just created a news group
called alt.support.borderline. If your news server doesn't have it
yet,
ask your news server administrator to add it to his news server.
No they don't and yes I shall do that, thanks.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by
the
age of about 30. Drugs often used include antidepressants (probably
for
the mood component), mood stabilizers (lithium, valproate),
antipsychotics (seroquel, zyprexa)....basically anything the
psychiatrist can throw at your brain, s/he will :)
I've been on various antidepressants for major depression and
anti-anxiety
meds and I hate them enough to want to find another method of
treatment.
(I
have enough other ingestible crap I have to take outside of this
little
problem.) I'm not current with the latest research on BPD though,
which
is
why I was asking. The last few things I read about BPD were about a
year
ago and then I stopped looking. So is there no other alternative to
drugs?
There is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. It is currently considered the
standard treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder.
From what I've read, psychiatrists don't like treating borderline
patients, because they're often non-compliant, hostile, or otherwise
difficult.
That's because many clinicians don't know how to work with them.
Yeah, no kidding. (Sorry, don't mean to sound sarcastic, but you
aren't
the
first one to say that.) What do you mean by "From what I've read"?
What
about PE?
--
Dayge
There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some
reason
in madness.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), "On Reading and Writing"
Pablo
I have never met a BP who was BPD.I think someone got the Dx wrong.
Maybe, maybe not. We, as usenet posters, might not be in a position to
tell.
For what it's worth...
"Borderline Personality Disorder often co-occurs with Mood Disorders, and
when criteria for both are met, both may be diagnosed. Because the
cross-sectional presentation of Borderline Personality Disorder can be
mimicked by an episode of Mood Disorder, the clinician should avoid giving
an additional diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder based only on an
a cross-sectional presentation without having documented that the pattern of
behavior has an early onset and a long-standing course."
DSM IV-TR, p. 709.
Pablo
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| User: "." |
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30 May 2004 10:07:56 PM |
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Dayge wrote...
I've been on various antidepressants for major depression and anti-anxiety
meds and I hate them enough to want to find another method of treatment. (I
have enough other ingestible crap I have to take outside of this little
problem.) I'm not current with the latest research on BPD though, which is
why I was asking. The last few things I read about BPD were about a year
ago and then I stopped looking. So is there no other alternative to drugs?
My understanding is the Dialectic Behavioural Therapy may be effective
in the treatment of BPD. Have you tried any therapy to date, or just
medication?
Also, I wouldn't dismiss medication altogether just yet -
antidepressants and mood stabilisers may not fix BPD, but could help
with the mood swings and other affective problems associated with it.
The abstract and citation for info on DBT is below:
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Effectiveness of inpatient dialectical behavioral therapy for borderline
personality disorder: a controlled trial
Martin Bohus, Brigitte Haaf, Timothy Simms, Matthias F. Limberger,
Christian Schmahl, Christine Unckel, Klaus Lieb and Marsha M. Linehan.
Abstract
Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) was initially developed and
evaluated as an outpatient treatment program for chronically suicidal
individuals meeting criteria for borderline personality disorder (BPD).
Within the last few years, several adaptations to specific settings have
been developed. This study aims to evaluate a three-month DBT inpatient
treatment program. Clinical outcomes, including changes on measures of
psychopathology and frequency of self-mutilating acts, were assessed for
50 female patients meeting criteria for BPD. Thirty-one patients had
participated in a DBT inpatient program, and 19 patients had been placed
on a waiting list and received treatment as usual in the community.
Post-testing was conducted four months after the initial assessment
(i.e. four weeks after discharge for the DBT group). Pre?post-comparison
showed significant changes for the DBT group on 10 of 11
psychopathological variables and significant reductions in self-
injurious behavior. The waiting list group did not show any significant
changes at the four-months point. The DBT group improved significantly
more than participants on the waiting list on seven of the nine
variables analyzed, including depression, anxiety, interpersonal
functioning, social adjustment, global psychopathology and self-
mutilation. Analyses based on Jacobson?s criteria for clinically
relevant change indicated that 42% of those receiving DBT had clinically
recovered on a general measure of psychopathology. The data suggest that
three months of inpatient DBT treatment is significantly superior to
non-specific outpatient treatment. Within a relatively short time frame,
improvement was found across a broad range of psychopathological
features. Stability of the recovery after one month following discharge,
however, was not evaluated and requires further study.
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| User: "Celt" |
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02 Jun 2004 07:17:41 AM |
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In article <MPG.1b252928fdf3ca04989874@news.individual.net>,
asspunch@punkass.com carefully typed...
Dayge wrote...
If your news server doesn't have it yet,
My ISP server does, but Google doesn't.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30.
What if it's still around at 40?
From what I've read, psychiatrists don't like treating borderline
patients, because they're often non-compliant, hostile, or otherwise
difficult.
I believe you.
Walk tall,
Celt.
--
"If you can't change your place, you gotta change your attitude."
- 'The Kitchen God's Wife', Amy Tan.
Remove .spamoff & noserver. to reply.
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| User: "." |
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02 Jun 2004 07:17:27 AM |
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Celt wrote...
My ISP server does, but Google doesn't.
Yeah I don't know where google gets its articles from.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30.
What if it's still around at 40?
Hmm. I don't think I have an answer to that question.
I believe you.
Walk tall,
Celt.
On the other hand, some psychiatrists might get their kicks from
treating borderline folk...
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Regards,
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| User: "Terje Henriksen" |
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08 Jun 2004 03:45:12 AM |
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.. wrote:
Celt wrote...
My ISP server does, but Google doesn't.
Yeah I don't know where google gets its articles from.
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by
the age of about 30.
What if it's still around at 40?
Hmm. I don't think I have an answer to that question.
I believe you.
Walk tall,
Celt.
On the other hand, some psychiatrists might get their kicks from
treating borderline folk...
If they are terrorists.
--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes
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| User: "Hannes Lau" |
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03 Jun 2004 05:45:05 AM |
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:17:41 +1000, Celt wrote:
Hi,
BPD is very difficult to treat. It usually goes away by itself by the
age of about 30.
Sorry about my bad english, it's not my native language.
It's not correctly, that it goes away. Quite the contrary, like me,
show me. I'm over 40 and i must say: Nothing was better, nothing. O.k.
more decent i also must say: I know my problems, the name, a diagnosis
since one year now. Over 30 years i know nothing, i know only this:
Hey, there's a problem, but what is it? I don't know...
CU A.
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