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"Thomas Dehn" |
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11 Jan 2004 05:47:26 AM |
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Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
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How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
Thomas
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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11 Jan 2004 09:44:23 PM |
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Bush's interest in removing Saddam Hussein was so secret he had this
to say about it on October 11, 2000:
MR. LEHRER: With Saddam Hussein, you mean?
GOV. BUSH: Yes, and --
MR. LEHRER: You could get him out of there?
GOV. BUSH: I'd like to, of course, and I presume this
administration would as well.
http://www.c-span.org/campaign2000/transcript/debate_101100.asp
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
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How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
Thomas
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
13 Jan 2004 10:00:36 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:47:26 +0100, "Thomas Dehn"
<thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote:
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How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
From my own very limited insider information, his accusation is most
likely credible (80% chance).
It's no secret the Bush family has strong ties to both other powers in
the region, as well as to the oil intests.
Not to mention the "Bush family honor" aspect, sounds stupid, but most
people are that stupid so it's plausable.
After 9/11, like days after, many special forces were deployed into
the Iraqi region to find the connection between Iraq and 9/11, it
never turned up, but these guys really really tried to pin it on
Saddam.
Our Monkey president really has to go, He's nothing more than a puppet
of the people who got him elected.
His loyalties are to at most 50,000 people in a country of over 250
Million.
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
14 Jan 2004 09:48:10 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:00:36 -0600, Joe User <NaCl@slug.gov> wrote:
Our Monkey president really has to go, He's nothing more than a puppet
of the people who got him elected.
His loyalties are to at most 50,000 people in a country of over 250
Million.
Who would you like to see as president (if you don't mind my asking)?
judith
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
14 Jan 2004 11:53:01 AM |
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"judith" <j_stillwater@excite.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:00:36 -0600, Joe User <NaCl@slug.gov> wrote:
Our Monkey president really has to go, He's nothing more than a puppet
of the people who got him elected.
His loyalties are to at most 50,000 people in a country of over 250
Million.
Who would you like to see as president (if you don't mind my asking)?
You can make your cross here:
[ ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[ ] Carol Moseley Brown
[ ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[ ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
Or there
[ ] George W. Bush
{{{{{US 2004 presidential election voters}}}}}
Thomas
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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14 Jan 2004 11:12:20 PM |
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First choice: George Bush.
Second choice: Joe Lieberman
Last choice: A three-way tie between Al Sharpton, Carol Moseley Brown,
and Mr. "Mind Altering Rays from Space Satellites" himself, Dennis
Kucinich.
Of the rest, I don't have any clear preferences.
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
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"judith" <j_stillwater@excite.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:00:36 -0600, Joe User <NaCl@slug.gov>
wrote:
Our Monkey president really has to go, He's nothing more than a
puppet
of the people who got him elected.
His loyalties are to at most 50,000 people in a country of over
250
Million.
Who would you like to see as president (if you don't mind my
asking)?
You can make your cross here:
[ ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[ ] Carol Moseley Brown
[ ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[ ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
Or there
[ ] George W. Bush
{{{{{US 2004 presidential election voters}}}}}
Thomas
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15 Jan 2004 01:53:41 AM |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:12:20 -0800, "Nom dePlume"
<nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
First choice: George Bush.
Second choice: Joe Lieberman
Last choice: A three-way tie between Al Sharpton, Carol Moseley Brown,
and Mr. "Mind Altering Rays from Space Satellites" himself, Dennis
Kucinich.
Of the rest, I don't have any clear preferences.
whoa. <head boggle> someone thinks like *I* do!
I'd prefer Lieberman over Gephardt, but I just don't think he'd be a
strong enough leader. Kinda Jimmy Carter-like.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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15 Jan 2004 10:10:31 AM |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:12:20 -0800, "Nom dePlume"
<nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
First choice: George Bush.
Second choice: Joe Lieberman
There's a difference?
judith
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14 Jan 2004 05:21:34 PM |
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Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
You can make your cross here:
[ ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[ ] Carol Moseley Brown
[ ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[ ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
Or there
[ ] George W. Bush
Please tell me that there is another page to this ballot.
--
The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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| User: "alvintchase" |
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
16 Jan 2004 01:14:05 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<bu4iu5$dulrp$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
You can make your cross here:
[ ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[ ] Carol Moseley Brown
[ ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[ ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
When Lieberman was picked by Gore,I was also excited because he was Jewish.
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16 Jan 2004 01:12:01 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message news:<bu4iu5$dulrp$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
You can make your cross here:
[1 ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[2 ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[3 ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
I think my first choice would be Dean or Kucinich,then
Edwards.My last choice would be Lieberman.When he was first chosen by
Gore as a V.P. canidate,I was very excited because he's from my
neighbor,he lives in the same city as me.However,I think he's too
conservative,and I wish he's stop attacking Dean...
Or there
[X] George W. Bush
Please tell me that there is another page to this ballot.
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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17 Jan 2004 01:37:01 AM |
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Dennis Kucinich has a thing about mind-controlling space weapons. He
introduced legislation
(http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html) to ban space-based
weaponry. Among those things he wanted banned were weapons acting
" (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based
systems using radiation, electromagnetic, *psychotronic,* sonic,
laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted
populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or
*mind control* of such persons or populations; "
Mind-control rays from outer space. Hmm. I really don't want this man
to become President.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"alvintchase" <relayer211@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:<bu4iu5$dulrp$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
You can make your cross here:
[1 ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[2 ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[3 ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
I think my first choice would be Dean or Kucinich,then
Edwards.My last choice would be Lieberman.When he was first chosen
by
Gore as a V.P. canidate,I was very excited because he's from my
neighbor,he lives in the same city as me.However,I think he's too
conservative,and I wish he's stop attacking Dean...
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17 Jan 2004 05:10:01 AM |
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Nom dePlume <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Dennis Kucinich has a thing about mind-controlling space weapons. He
introduced legislation
(http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html) to ban space-based
weaponry. Among those things he wanted banned were weapons acting
" (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based
systems using radiation, electromagnetic, *psychotronic,* sonic,
laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted
populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or
*mind control* of such persons or populations; "
Mind-control rays from outer space. Hmm. I really don't want this man
to become President.
Dennis Kucinich? Is he a candidate for the Democratic nomination? I've
never heard of him as far as I can remember.
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The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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18 Jan 2004 12:47:55 AM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:bub56m$fik2n$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de...
Nom dePlume <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Dennis Kucinich has a thing about mind-controlling space weapons.
He
introduced legislation
(http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html) to ban
space-based
weaponry. Among those things he wanted banned were weapons acting
" (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based
systems using radiation, electromagnetic, *psychotronic,* sonic,
laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or
targeted
populations for the purpose of information war, mood management,
or
*mind control* of such persons or populations; "
Mind-control rays from outer space. Hmm. I really don't want this
man
to become President.
Dennis Kucinich? Is he a candidate for the Democratic nomination?
I've
never heard of him as far as I can remember.
Would that I could say the same. Yes, he is a candidate.
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
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17 Jan 2004 03:38:29 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:37:01 -0800, "Nom dePlume"
<nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
Dennis Kucinich has a thing about mind-controlling space weapons. He
introduced legislation
(http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html) to ban space-based
weaponry. Among those things he wanted banned were weapons acting
" (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based
systems using radiation, electromagnetic, *psychotronic,* sonic,
laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted
populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or
*mind control* of such persons or populations; "
Mind-control rays from outer space. Hmm. I really don't want this man
to become President.
we need to get Awaa and her tinfoil hats to chime in on this one.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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17 Jan 2004 07:05:09 AM |
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"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
Dennis Kucinich has a thing about mind-controlling space weapons. He
introduced legislation
(http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html) to ban space-based
weaponry. Among those things he wanted banned were weapons acting
" (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based
systems using radiation, electromagnetic, *psychotronic,* sonic,
laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted
populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or
*mind control* of such persons or populations; "
*lol*
I guarantee that I won't vote for Kucinich. *g*
Thomas
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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18 Jan 2004 12:46:48 AM |
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Whew! That's reassuring. I was worried for a while there! :)
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
"Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote in message
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"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
Dennis Kucinich has a thing about mind-controlling space weapons.
He
introduced legislation
(http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html) to ban
space-based
weaponry. Among those things he wanted banned were weapons acting
" (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based
systems using radiation, electromagnetic, *psychotronic,* sonic,
laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or
targeted
populations for the purpose of information war, mood management,
or
*mind control* of such persons or populations; "
*lol*
I guarantee that I won't vote for Kucinich. *g*
Thomas
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16 Jan 2004 04:10:05 PM |
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alvintchase <relayer211@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote in message
news:<bu4iu5$dulrp$1@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
You can make your cross here:
[1 ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[2 ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[3 ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
I think my first choice would be Dean or Kucinich,then
Edwards.My last choice would be Lieberman.When he was first chosen by
Gore as a V.P. canidate,I was very excited because he's from my
neighbor,he lives in the same city as me.However,I think he's too
conservative,and I wish he's stop attacking Dean...
I wish they all could stop attacking each other and Bush and actually talk
about the issues for a change but I will not be holding my breath waiting
for that to happen.
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The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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16 Jan 2004 10:59:13 PM |
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The typical debate which explains the obsession to destroy Kerry
through Howard Dean:
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Kerry supporter: Why does Kerry terrify you?
Bush supporter: Because he might win.
Kerry supporter: Thanks for your honesty.
Bush supporter: No problem. Anyone who is endorsed by the drunken,
murdering Senator from Kerry's homestate, can't be good for the
country.
Kerry supporter: And what makes you think you have the right to
determine what is good for the country?
Bush supporter: no response.
Another Bush supporter came to the rescue and offered this response:
"I sir, am a member in good standing of this much beloved country's
citizenry. 'Tis better that we the people make the decisions than fat
old farts like Senator Kennedy."
This hostile, anti-Kennedy rhetoric is not an isolated incident, and
it is safe to conclude that the fanatics who fear the candidacy of
John Kerry are responsible for creating the perception that Dean's
political candidacy is unstoppable.
http://www.geocities.com/bobeshope/howard.htm
Just in case you are wondering why Aaron Brown is scratching his head,
now that John Kerry is leading Iowa.
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16 Jan 2004 12:51:33 PM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
You can make your cross here:
[ ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[ ] Carol Moseley Brown
[ ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[ ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
Or there
[ ] George W. Bush
Please tell me that there is another page to this ballot.
Sure there is
[ ] Ralph Nader
Thomas
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16 Jan 2004 04:08:48 PM |
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Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
You can make your cross here:
[ ] Howard Dean
[ ] Rev. Al Sharpton
[ ] Carol Moseley Brown
[ ] Dennis Kucinich
[ ] Joe Lieberman
[ ] John Kerry
[ ] John Edwards
[ ] ***** Gephardt
[ ] Wesley Clark
Or there
[ ] George W. Bush
Please tell me that there is another page to this ballot.
Sure there is
[ ] Ralph Nader
Thanks but that's no help. :-)
I guess I will have to stay with Bush if the above are my only choices.
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The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1
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12 Jan 2004 11:00:49 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:47:26 +0100, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
Given the large number of young German's who actually believe that Bush
planned and ordered the attacks on 9/11, credibility isn't really required.
They'll swallow anything.
It's old news that Bush and company believed Saddam had to go long before
Bush was elected.
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REASONABLE, adj. Accessible to the infection of our own opinions. Hospitable to
persuasion, dissuasion and evasion.
- Ambrose Bierce
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13 Jan 2004 09:12:13 AM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@anon.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:47:26 +0100, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
Given the large number of young German's who actually believe that Bush
planned and ordered the attacks on 9/11,
Interesting. Each time that German poll is quoted again, it
is misquoted even further. This time, "Bush administration"
got replaced with "Bush" ("planned and ordered" had crept
in earlier).
credibility isn't really required.
They'll swallow anything.
It's old news that Bush and company believed Saddam
had to go long before Bush was elected.
Thats not the point here. I'm quite sure that Bush also
thinks that Kim Yong II and a few others have to go.
The question is whether an actual political decision for action
was made, rather than
- opinions were voiced that the world would be a
better place if Saddam were not president of Iraq
- it was evaluated whether Saddam could be removed
Thomas
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11 Jan 2004 07:44:27 AM |
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Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
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How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
A digruntled former employee who also happens to be promoting a book that is
very critical of his former employer? I would say not very credible.
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For I determined not to know any thing among
you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2
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11 Jan 2004 10:10:58 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:44:27 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
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How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
A digruntled former employee who also happens to be promoting a book that is
very critical of his former employer?
"By the end of next week, Paul O'Neill's own grandchildren (assuming
he has any) are going to think his first name is "Disgruntled."
-- Tom Tomorrow
http://www.thismodernworld.com/
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
11 Jan 2004 08:17:49 AM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
A digruntled former employee who also happens to be promoting
a book that is very critical of his former employer?
I would not call a former treasure secretary a 'former employee'.
Treasure secretary is a high position within a government.
It is not an 'employee position', it is a high profile political position.
Thomas
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
11 Jan 2004 08:32:35 AM |
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Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
A digruntled former employee who also happens to be promoting
a book that is very critical of his former employer?
I would not call a former treasure secretary a 'former employee'.
Treasure secretary is a high position within a government.
It is not an 'employee position', it is a high profile political position.
I agree with you. When I said employee I only meant that he worked for the
Bush administration. I wasn't intending to downplay the importance of his
job or his position in the government. And who knows? Maybe some of what
he says is true. Maybe a lot of it is even. I can't name one politician
either now or in the past whom I totally trust and I certainly do not
totally trust Bush (or O'Neill). It's just that as far as credibility goes,
O'Neill does not have much IMHO, considering the circumstances.
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For I determined not to know any thing among
you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
11 Jan 2004 09:11:31 AM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
How credibly is former treasure secretary O'Neill?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108013,00.html
A digruntled former employee who also happens to be promoting
a book that is very critical of his former employer?
I would not call a former treasure secretary a 'former employee'.
Treasure secretary is a high position within a government.
It is not an 'employee position', it is a high profile political position.
I agree with you. When I said employee I only meant that he worked for the
Bush administration. I wasn't intending to downplay the importance of his
job or his position in the government. And who knows? Maybe some of what
he says is true. Maybe a lot of it is even. I can't name one politician
either now or in the past whom I totally trust and I certainly do not
totally trust Bush (or O'Neill).
I don't know O'Neill, I have no idea whether he is trustworthy.
Probably he is not. But I don't see any reason for him to come
up with complete fabrications. The guy is worth at least 50 million.
He does not need to promote a book.
BTW, back then when O'Neill "resigned", Lindsay, a Bush loyalist member
of the Bush administration was fired because he publicly said
that the Iraq war would cost $200 million. A good estimate of
the costs of that war, one must say.
Thomas
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
11 Jan 2004 09:21:07 AM |
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Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
I don't know O'Neill, I have no idea whether he is trustworthy.
Probably he is not. But I don't see any reason for him to come
up with complete fabrications. The guy is worth at least 50 million.
He does not need to promote a book.
What is even more perplexing to me is that, according to the cbsnews.com
article you gave the url for (I think it was that one) he is not getting any
money at all for the book. Now, I don't know if he's getting paid for the
interviews he's been giving or not but I thought it was odd that he's
getting nothing from the book. Does that mean perhaps that his motive is
revenge?
BTW, back then when O'Neill "resigned", Lindsay, a Bush loyalist member
of the Bush administration was fired because he publicly said
that the Iraq war would cost $200 million. A good estimate of
the costs of that war, one must say.
Yeah, resigned. I like that. heh. I wish the war was only 200 million.
That would be great. We are already at 87 billion plus whatever was spent
before the 87 billion was approved.
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For I determined not to know any thing among
you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
11 Jan 2004 10:08:42 AM |
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"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
I don't know O'Neill, I have no idea whether he is trustworthy.
Probably he is not. But I don't see any reason for him to come
up with complete fabrications. The guy is worth at least 50 million.
He does not need to promote a book.
What is even more perplexing to me is that, according to the cbsnews.com
article you gave the url for (I think it was that one) he is not getting any
money at all for the book. Now, I don't know if he's getting paid for the
interviews he's been giving or not but I thought it was odd that he's
getting nothing from the book.
Forget that money. Thats pocket money for somebody like O'Neill.
Does that mean perhaps that his motive is revenge?
Thats possible, of course. But after two years at a high
position within the Bush government he should know enough
internals to exert revenge without complete making up stuff.
He might perturb the truth a little bit, of course, but why
should he make that up completely if there must be dozens
of pieces of correct critical information he has.
BTW, back then when O'Neill "resigned", Lindsay, a Bush loyalist member
of the Bush administration was fired because he publicly said
that the Iraq war would cost $200 million. A good estimate of
the costs of that war, one must say.
Yeah, resigned. I like that. heh. I wish the war was only 200 million.
That would be great.
Typo by me. Should have been 'billion', not million.
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11? (spoiler: politics) |
11 Jan 2004 10:15:02 AM |
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Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> spake thusly:
Forget that money. Thats pocket money for somebody like O'Neill.
Yeah, I didn't realize he was that rich already.
Does that mean perhaps that his motive is revenge?
Thats possible, of course. But after two years at a high
position within the Bush government he should know enough
internals to exert revenge without complete making up stuff.
He might perturb the truth a little bit, of course, but why
should he make that up completely if there must be dozens
of pieces of correct critical information he has.
Well, according to the stories you quoted he gave the guy who wrote the book
a ton of documentation from meetings and stuff, including stuff that was
classified. Why he is not in trouble for having and distributing classified
info is beyond me. Unless the Bush administration is too scared of what he
knows to push him.
Typo by me. Should have been 'billion', not million.
Oh wow, yeah. And now it looks like 200 billion will be exceeded easily.
Interesting. I can't remember what was spent before the additional $87
billion was approved so I don't know what the current total is but is
probably well over $100 billion already I'd guess.
--
For I determined not to know any thing among
you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:2
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