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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "the_dawggie"
Date: 14 Jun 2007 06:30:14 PM
Object: Cat lovers
Where I'm staying right now is a cat.
He is all affectionate when hungry or cold,
otherwise doesn't give a rat's arse about
you when fed and comfortable.
I'm not a cat lover or hater, just an
observation. Dawgs seem to differ
in this regard.
.

User: "Noon Cat Nick"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 14 Jun 2007 07:08:45 PM
the_dawggie wrote:

Where I'm staying right now is a cat.

He is all affectionate when hungry or cold,
otherwise doesn't give a rat's arse about
you when fed and comfortable.

I'm not a cat lover or hater, just an
observation. Dawgs seem to differ
in this regard.


Dogs are descended from pack animals. Having been thoroughly
domesticated, they regard their companion human(s) as the pack leader(s).
Cats, descended from the North African wild cat, are loners by nature,
and do most things on their own, although they do colonize as well.
Except for certain specific breeds, they aren't fully domesticated. What
they get from humans is the same thing a mother cat gives her kits:
food, warmth, affection, protection, etc. So cats regard humans as
surrogate mothers. Their behaviors around their human
companions--meowing, kneading, cuddling, to name the most obvious--are
things kittens do with their mothers, but aren't replicated by adult
cats on their own.
What you have is a cat that isn't fully attuned to dependency upon
humans. When he needs certain things he performs regression (kittenish)
behaviors. Once those needs are satisfied, he becomes more like his
adult self, and returns to his loner ways.
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: Cat lovers 14 Jun 2007 08:50:59 PM
Noon Cat Nick wrote...

the_dawggie wrote:

Where I'm staying right now is a cat.

He is all affectionate when hungry or cold,
otherwise doesn't give a rat's arse about
you when fed and comfortable.

I'm not a cat lover or hater, just an
observation. Dawgs seem to differ
in this regard.



Dogs are descended from pack animals. Having been
thoroughly domesticated, they regard their companion
human(s) as the pack leader(s).

Cats, descended from the North African wild cat, are loners
by nature, and do most things on their own, although they
do colonize as well. Except for certain specific breeds,
they aren't fully domesticated. What they get from humans
is the same thing a mother cat gives her kits: food,
warmth, affection, protection, etc. So cats regard humans
as surrogate mothers. Their behaviors around their human
companions--meowing, kneading, cuddling, to name the most
obvious--are things kittens do with their mothers, but
aren't replicated by adult cats on their own.

What you have is a cat that isn't fully attuned to
dependency upon humans. When he needs certain things he
performs regression (kittenish) behaviors. Once those needs
are satisfied, he becomes more like his adult self, and
returns to his loner ways.

All but one of my cats are Maine Coons, and they're incredibly
social, both with humans and each other. They sleep in piles
on the couch and spend a fair amount of time grooming each
other. The exception is our one non-cooncat. She's mostly a
loner, the way most cats are, and tries to put the coons in
their places. Then, they say that Maine Coons are the cats
that dog lovers like most.
-lisa
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 15 Jun 2007 01:31:56 AM
In message <Xns994FDE436D25Emccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in mass.
<mccats@rcn.com> writes

Noon Cat Nick wrote...

the_dawggie wrote:

Where I'm staying right now is a cat.

He is all affectionate when hungry or cold,
otherwise doesn't give a rat's arse about
you when fed and comfortable.

I'm not a cat lover or hater, just an
observation. Dawgs seem to differ
in this regard.


Dogs are descended from pack animals. Having been
thoroughly domesticated, they regard their companion
human(s) as the pack leader(s).

Cats, descended from the North African wild cat, are loners
by nature, and do most things on their own, although they
do colonize as well. Except for certain specific breeds,
they aren't fully domesticated. What they get from humans
is the same thing a mother cat gives her kits: food,
warmth, affection, protection, etc. So cats regard humans
as surrogate mothers. Their behaviors around their human
companions--meowing, kneading, cuddling, to name the most
obvious--are things kittens do with their mothers, but
aren't replicated by adult cats on their own.

What you have is a cat that isn't fully attuned to
dependency upon humans. When he needs certain things he
performs regression (kittenish) behaviors. Once those needs
are satisfied, he becomes more like his adult self, and
returns to his loner ways.


All but one of my cats are Maine Coons, and they're incredibly
social, both with humans and each other. They sleep in piles
on the couch and spend a fair amount of time grooming each
other. The exception is our one non-cooncat. She's mostly a
loner, the way most cats are, and tries to put the coons in
their places. Then, they say that Maine Coons are the cats
that dog lovers like most.

Cats put people in their rightful place.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "Noon Cat Nick"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 15 Jun 2007 02:32:48 AM
Alan Harding wrote:


Cats put people in their rightful place.

Just like the timeworn observation: Egyptians worshiped cats as gods;
cats have never forgotten this.
.
User: "Jesters mummy"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 15 Jun 2007 07:35:06 AM
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:32:48 GMT, Noon Cat Nick
<chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote:

<(((*>Alan Harding wrote:
<(((*>
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Cats put people in their rightful place.
<(((*>
<(((*>
<(((*>Just like the timeworn observation: Egyptians worshiped cats as gods;
<(((*>cats have never forgotten this.

My own favourite is the difference between how cats and dogs perceive humans:
Dog: They feed me, they shelter me, they love me, they must be God.
Cat: They feed me, they shelter me, they love me, I must be God.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
.
User: "Noon Cat Nick"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 15 Jun 2007 08:52:54 AM
Jester's mummy wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:32:48 GMT, Noon Cat Nick
<chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote:



<(((*>Alan Harding wrote:
<(((*>
<(((*>>
<(((*>> Cats put people in their rightful place.
<(((*>
<(((*>
<(((*>Just like the timeworn observation: Egyptians worshiped cats as gods;
<(((*>cats have never forgotten this.



My own favourite is the difference between how cats and dogs perceive humans:

Dog: They feed me, they shelter me, they love me, they must be God.

Cat: They feed me, they shelter me, they love me, I must be God.

Pithier version: Dogs have masters. Cats have staff.
.


User: "maybelle"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 15 Jun 2007 04:29:41 AM
On Jun 15, 3:32 pm, Noon Cat Nick <chatdemidiSPAMBEG...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Alan Harding wrote:

Cats put people in their rightful place.


Just like the timeworn observation: Egyptians worshiped cats as gods;
cats have never forgotten this.

I love my cat, she among the top things that make life palatable
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 15 Jun 2007 07:40:51 AM
In message <1181899781.366119.117370@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
maybelle <helluvapunch@gmail.com> writes

On Jun 15, 3:32 pm, Noon Cat Nick <chatdemidiSPAMBEG...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Alan Harding wrote:

Cats put people in their rightful place.


Just like the timeworn observation: Egyptians worshiped cats as gods;
cats have never forgotten this.


I love my cat, she among the top things that make life palatable

I can't imagine not having at least one cat. I had my breakdown when we
had no cat. I'm not saying it was only that...
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.




User: "Noon Cat Nick"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 14 Jun 2007 09:46:05 PM
lisa in mass. wrote:

All but one of my cats are Maine Coons, and they're incredibly
social, both with humans and each other. They sleep in piles
on the couch and spend a fair amount of time grooming each
other. The exception is our one non-cooncat. She's mostly a
loner, the way most cats are, and tries to put the coons in
their places. Then, they say that Maine Coons are the cats
that dog lovers like most.

Maine coons are among the few cat breeds that have a greater instinct
toward domesticity, by virtue of professional breeding. They're the most
popular cat breed in the U.S. Consequently, the demand for purebred
Maines is high. So over time, deliberate selective breeding of these
cats has reduced the wildness in them, making them more naturally
compatible toward humans, much like dogs. Purebred Siamese, Sphinx, and
Scottish fold cats are even more genetically domesticated.
The problem with Maines, as with any pure breed of domesticated animal,
is that they are commonly susceptible to contracting illnesses specific
to their breed. Maine coons often contract hyperthyroidism in their
later years, requiring at least a week or two of radiotherapy to treat
the condition. After that, there's a 50/50 chance they'll die within two
years due to liver damage caused by the radiation therapy.
This happened with my ex-wife's cat Moses, a Maine coon mix. At the end
(he was 18 years old by this time), his liver enzyme count was off the
chart, and he started continually throwing up bile. At that point, the
vet told her he only had a few hours to live, which would be spent
vomiting liver bile the whole time, so she had to make the decision to
have the poor little guy put down.
.
User: "lisa in mass."

Title: Re: Cat lovers 14 Jun 2007 10:19:46 PM
Noon Cat Nick wrote...

The problem with Maines, as with any pure breed of
domesticated animal, is that they are commonly susceptible
to contracting illnesses specific to their breed. Maine
coons often contract hyperthyroidism in their later years,
requiring at least a week or two of radiotherapy to treat
the condition. After that, there's a 50/50 chance they'll
die within two years due to liver damage caused by the
radiation therapy.

Actually, hyperthyroidism isn't any more common in MC's than in
other breeds. Maine Coons do tend to have hypertrophic
cardiomyopathy, and there's frequently hip dysplasia.
-lisa
(Mt Mineral Maine Coons)
.

User: "Judith Stillwater"

Title: Re: Cat lovers 15 Jun 2007 07:46:38 AM
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:46:05 GMT, Noon Cat Nick
<chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote:

The problem with Maines, as with any pure breed of domesticated animal,
is that they are commonly susceptible to contracting illnesses specific
to their breed. Maine coons often contract hyperthyroidism in their
later years, requiring at least a week or two of radiotherapy to treat
the condition. After that, there's a 50/50 chance they'll die within two
years due to liver damage caused by the radiation therapy.

I've controlled Gigi's hyperthyroid with oral medication since 2004.
The vet never mentioned radiation but she did offer the option of
surgery, which would have been mondo expensive. Pilling a cat is no
fun, but it's been affordable and effective for Gigi.
judith
.





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