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11 Oct 2004 12:37:27 AM |
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christopher reeve died. |
man i am so bummed.
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han solo shot first.
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| Title: Re: christopher reeve died. |
11 Oct 2004 05:45:19 PM |
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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man i am so bummed.
Yea, it hits extra hard when you see someone go, who keeps trying to have
hope and keeps fighting to get better.
It seems like it's not just the person that dies, but hope dies too.
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: christopher reeve died. |
11 Oct 2004 11:09:17 PM |
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DaKitty <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
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man i am so bummed.
Small comfort that it is, his passing was announced on many NGs,
OT and other.
Yea, it hits extra hard when you see someone go, who keeps trying to have
hope and keeps fighting to get better.
Yes.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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12 Oct 2004 01:55:27 AM |
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In message <207km0d03v19fsqg9groeh2vloa0hhocqo@4ax.com>, elegy
<elegy@shattering.org> writes
man i am so bummed.
My first thought was that I hoped the fundies do better by his widow
than they did by Carl Sagan's. Reeve supported stem cell research,
didn't he?
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "dennis" |
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11 Oct 2004 07:06:00 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
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man i am so bummed.
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han solo shot first.
http://shattering.org
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man
after his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was
great hoopla because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice
did he have?
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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11 Oct 2004 11:28:31 PM |
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"dennis" <later@notnow.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
wrote:
man i am so bummed.
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han solo shot first.
http://shattering.org
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man
after his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was
great hoopla because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice
did he have?
It's his superhero status in our minds that got profoundly shaken.
Superheroes don't have accidents, Superheroes don't die, especially not
before their time.
Finding courage to persevere is not such a common thing, not to be
underestimated.
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| User: "wombn" |
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12 Oct 2004 02:09:02 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:06:00 +0000, dennis <later@notnow.net> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
wrote:
man i am so bummed.
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man
after his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was
great hoopla because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice
did he have?
I usually am not the slightest bit interested in an actor's private
life, but in this case, I did take a bit more notice. You see, I had
a crush on him from Somewhere In Time and then Superman 1 & 2. And
I'd just barely begun horse riding lessons a couple months before
fell. So everyone asked me if that changed my interest. No, it
didn't. Not until my own fall the following October. I felt
incredibly lucky not to have fallen on my head.
So anyway. This one hits me a little harder.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Oct 2004 10:17:30 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:09:02 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
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I usually am not the slightest bit interested in an actor's private
life, but in this case, I did take a bit more notice. You see, I had
a crush on him from Somewhere In Time and then Superman 1 & 2. And
I'd just barely begun horse riding lessons a couple months before
fell. So everyone asked me if that changed my interest. No, it
didn't. Not until my own fall the following October. I felt
incredibly lucky not to have fallen on my head.
I suppose it goes without saying that there is a part of me that doesn't
feel much sympathy for someone who jumps on the back of another animal and
yells Geronimo!!!
But then I'm a cat person. If I jumped on SweetPea's back it would kill
her.
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PIETY, n. Reverence for the Supreme Being, based upon His supposed
resemblance to man.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Oct 2004 10:12:32 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:06:00 +0000, dennis <later@notnow.net> wrote:
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man
after his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was
great hoopla because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice
did he have?
These are things we aren't supposed to talk about...
As an actor I don't feel Reeves was much more impressive than Ronald
Reagan. But I suppose there are so few real heroes in the world that
people feel the need to credit great acts of self-preservation as heroism.
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In war, the stronger overcomes the weaker. In business, the stronger
imparts strength to the weaker.
- Fredric Bastiat
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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12 Oct 2004 10:27:04 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:12:32 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:06:00 +0000, dennis <later@notnow.net> wrote:
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man after
his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was great hoopla
because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice did he have?
These are things we aren't supposed to talk about...
As an actor I don't feel Reeves was much more impressive than Ronald
Reagan. But I suppose there are so few real heroes in the world that
people feel the need to credit great acts of self-preservation as
heroism.
Inappropriate Humor (Christopher Reeve is an *****):
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve
That said, he did push us closer to pulling the 2x4 out of our asses about
stem cell research.
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i.m.
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Oct 2004 10:41:47 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:27:04 -0500, "Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:12:32 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:06:00 +0000, dennis <later@notnow.net> wrote:
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man after
his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was great hoopla
because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice did he have?
These are things we aren't supposed to talk about...
As an actor I don't feel Reeves was much more impressive than Ronald
Reagan. But I suppose there are so few real heroes in the world that
people feel the need to credit great acts of self-preservation as
heroism.
Inappropriate Humor (Christopher Reeve is an *****):
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve
That said, he did push us closer to pulling the 2x4 out of our asses about
stem cell research.
I don't see how. You have to keep in mind that a big wallop of wishful
thinking does not make the research any more valuable. The fact is that
the only successes in stem cell research have come from adult stem cells.
Hollywood types try to make it seem as if the research is being blocked.
That simply isn't true. And here we are with the first President to
provide funding - and they continue to deride him for his position on
abortion. Not very diplomatic.
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OVERWORK, n. A dangerous disorder affecting high public functionaries who
want to go fishing.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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12 Oct 2004 11:12:03 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:41:47 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:27:04 -0500, "Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:12:32 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:06:00 +0000, dennis <later@notnow.net> wrote:
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man
after his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was
great hoopla because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice
did he have?
These are things we aren't supposed to talk about...
As an actor I don't feel Reeves was much more impressive than Ronald
Reagan. But I suppose there are so few real heroes in the world that
people feel the need to credit great acts of self-preservation as
heroism.
Inappropriate Humor (Christopher Reeve is an *****):
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve
That said, he did push us closer to pulling the 2x4 out of our asses
about stem cell research.
I don't see how. You have to keep in mind that a big wallop of wishful
thinking does not make the research any more valuable. The fact is that
the only successes in stem cell research have come from adult stem
cells.
I don't think that's entirely true, but it does appear that fetal tissue
is/has become totally irrelevant to the reasearch.
Hollywood types try to make it seem as if the research is being blocked.
That simply isn't true.
It was and is, when it comes from fetal tissue... luckily it appears that
fetal tissue isn't needed.
And here we are with the first President to provide funding - and they
continue to deride him for his position on abortion. Not very
diplomatic.
I was just suggesting that C.R. got the issue on TV and put a face on
it... which is about all you can expect from a celeb.
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i.m.
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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12 Oct 2004 11:40:43 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:12:03 -0500, "Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:41:47 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:27:04 -0500, "Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now>
wrote:
That said, he did push us closer to pulling the 2x4 out of our asses
about stem cell research.
I don't see how. You have to keep in mind that a big wallop of wishful
thinking does not make the research any more valuable. The fact is that
the only successes in stem cell research have come from adult stem
cells.
I don't think that's entirely true, but it does appear that fetal tissue
is/has become totally irrelevant to the reasearch.
I should have said the only successful *products*, have come from adult
stem cells. Research itself is successful even when it fails, I suppose.
Hollywood types try to make it seem as if the research is being blocked.
That simply isn't true.
It was and is, when it comes from fetal tissue... luckily it appears that
fetal tissue isn't needed.
Yes. And that single issue was used as if the whole matter actually
depended on it.
It reminds me of the Nazi research on starvation and hypothermia. There
was a lot of debate in the scientific community as to whether it was
ethical to use the data, since it was gathered at the expense of Jews in
death camps.
And here we are with the first President to provide funding - and they
continue to deride him for his position on abortion. Not very
diplomatic.
I was just suggesting that C.R. got the issue on TV and put a face on
it... which is about all you can expect from a celeb.
Yes, he and Michael J. Fox. But it seems that they intentionally used the
issue politically to support liberal positions that had nothing to do with
medicine.
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DISCRIMINATE, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing
is, if possible, more objectionable than another.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "dennis" |
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16 Oct 2004 11:46:44 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:40:43 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
It reminds me of the Nazi research on starvation and hypothermia. There
was a lot of debate in the scientific community as to whether it was
ethical to use the data, since it was gathered at the expense of Jews in
death camps.
i always though that wasa strange arguement. imho the dead are dead
whether i benifit from it or not. on the other hand if the chances of
my recovery are greater because of the unwilling sacrifice of those
lives and i do not take advantage of it, isn't that like saying the
pain and suffering was for nothing? certainly those nazi researches
should not get credit or compensation for what was done. but the
research is still valid. why not have a fund that is paid into when
ever the research is used or sold. the funds could then be used for
educating jews and other nazi victoms descendents.
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| User: "dennis" |
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16 Oct 2004 11:46:43 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:12:32 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:06:00 +0000, dennis <later@notnow.net> wrote:
this is sad but i have often wondered why he was such a great man
after his accident. he was nothing special before it. there was
great hoopla because he foun the courage to perceviere but what choice
did he have?
These are things we aren't supposed to talk about...
As an actor I don't feel Reeves was much more impressive than Ronald
Reagan. But I suppose there are so few real heroes in the world that
people feel the need to credit great acts of self-preservation as heroism.
somewhat like all the flap over wooy harelson saying that he was
ashamed to be an american or some such drivel. I wouldn't want his
opinion about what sandwich to buy. why be concerned what his
politics are? being an actor should not make a person something
special. the truely great ones are best at being what they are not.
our culture pays far too much attention to the acting profession. who
can name last years nobel prize winner in medicine? but we all know
what was best picture. a mediocre version of lord of the rings.
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| User: "wombn" |
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17 Oct 2004 11:38:20 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:46:43 +0000, dennis <later@notnow.net> wrote:
our culture pays far too much attention to the acting profession. who
I do tend to agree.
can name last years nobel prize winner in medicine? but we all know
what was best picture. a mediocre version of lord of the rings.
I don't pay attention to either. And I only saw LotR cuz of Thor.
Although I saw Thoughtcrimes on TV the other night and was very
intrigued by it. Don't know if it was a "good movie" or not, but I
enjoyed it.
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And yet, somehow, I'm considered far right wing...
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/questionnaire.pl?page=printable_graph&X=2.75&Y=0.46
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http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/questionnaire.pl?page=printable_graph&X=-8.62&Y=-7.64
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| User: "wombn" |
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11 Oct 2004 02:33:10 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org>
wrote:
man i am so bummed.
Me too. He was one of my favorites. I so hoped he'd be able to walk
again some day.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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11 Oct 2004 10:04:24 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org> wrote:
man i am so bummed.
I hadn't heard. Was the cause of death listed? I always wonder if they
would list the cause of death as being thrown from a horse.
It's like Andy Warhol. He died years after being shot, but it seems to me
that his death was still a homicide.
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APPEAL, v.t. In law, to put the dice into the box for another throw.
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| User: "Deminimii" |
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11 Oct 2004 10:24:44 AM |
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Subject: Re: christopher reeve died.
From: CyberDroog
Date: 10/11/2004 8:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <g58lm0dueivgbkn92prog9lf1pp30b3qr2@4ax.com>
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org> wrote:
man i am so bummed.
I hadn't heard. Was the cause of death listed? I always wonder if they
would list the cause of death as being thrown from a horse.
I heard or read that his skin broke down leading to a systemic infection which
resulted in cardiac arrest.
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| User: "JohnM" |
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11 Oct 2004 12:52:51 PM |
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He was in a coma.
"Deminimii" <deminimii@aol.com> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: christopher reeve died.
From: CyberDroog
Date: 10/11/2004 8:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <g58lm0dueivgbkn92prog9lf1pp30b3qr2@4ax.com>
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org> wrote:
man i am so bummed.
I hadn't heard. Was the cause of death listed? I always wonder if they
would list the cause of death as being thrown from a horse.
I heard or read that his skin broke down leading to a systemic infection
which
resulted in cardiac arrest.
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| User: "wombn" |
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11 Oct 2004 02:36:41 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2004 15:24:44 GMT, (Deminimii) wrote:
Subject: Re: christopher reeve died.
From: CyberDroog
Date: 10/11/2004 8:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <g58lm0dueivgbkn92prog9lf1pp30b3qr2@4ax.com>
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:37:27 -0400, elegy <elegy@shattering.org> wrote:
man i am so bummed.
I hadn't heard. Was the cause of death listed? I always wonder if they
would list the cause of death as being thrown from a horse.
I heard or read that his skin broke down leading to a systemic infection which
resulted in cardiac arrest.
yeah, something about it starting with a pressure sore.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Funky-Diva" |
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11 Oct 2004 06:16:22 AM |
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oh wow thats so sad. :(
"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
news:207km0d03v19fsqg9groeh2vloa0hhocqo@4ax.com...
man i am so bummed.
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han solo shot first.
http://shattering.org
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| User: "John" |
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11 Oct 2004 03:33:24 AM |
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote in message
news:207km0d03v19fsqg9groeh2vloa0hhocqo@4ax.com...
man i am so bummed.
That made me feel sad, too.
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| User: "Rebecca Jo" |
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11 Oct 2004 08:06:35 AM |
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"elegy" <elegy@shattering.org> wrote:
man i am so bummed.
That sucks. :( his poor family.
rj
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