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Sociology > Depression |
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"devilman" |
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23 Oct 2003 10:31:05 AM |
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depression, what it is and what it isn't |
Depression is not a disease in itself. It is a natural response to
events or changes in one's life or in one's way of thinking. Depression
usually has specific causes. Even in the cases where there are no
specific events to trigger depression, it is not a disease of the mind.
It is not a failure of the mind. In fact, it is a realization of
something that most people do not see, that life is not inherently
meaningful.
By treating depression as a disease, we often fail to address real
problems. Depression comes from the interaction of several things,
nature, nurture, and one's way of thinking. By treating depression only
as the product of nurture and one's way of thinking, we neglect the
important role society has on the individual's depression. Many cases
of depression result from events that happened outside of the
individual's control, events that originated from the society at large.
Instead of treating society's woes such as unemployment; highly
stressful, mundane, or exploitative work environments; an uninteresting
stressful youth as a result of school; a superficial, anti-intellectual,
easy entertainment and diversionary culture; the individual is treated,
often given happy drugs, and put back into the dysfunctional society as
though everything has been fixed when in fact the real problems are
still there. One has only concealed the problems from that individual.
Contrary to what many people would think about American society, it is
not a progressive and healthy one. Much depression has been
misdiagnosed as being personal when in fact it is more of a reaction to
societal woes.
Even those that may not specifically attribute their depression to
society cannot deny the fact that they have been heavily influenced by
society and its values. One cannot fail to examine this aspect in
treating depression. Without this aspect, depression is misunderstood
and taken as a disease. In a mental exercise, imagine if you could
change where you lived, the type of society and people you were with,
and the way in which you could contribute to society. More often than
not, you have an ideal in this regard, and may either be content or have
your depression minimized to a great extent. The one thing we can't
change easily is society, that is why depression is often treated on the
personal basis, because it is a quick fix to life's problems.
Even when all is considered, one must also consider that life is not
inherently meaningful and that an individual's failure to see life as
meaningful does not mean there is something wrong with that individual.
But that the individual has managed to overcome his/her programming to
value life in and of itself by society.
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| User: "franco@grex" |
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| Title: Re: depression, what it is and what it isn't |
23 Oct 2003 04:40:13 PM |
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devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: depression, what it is and what it isn't |
23 Oct 2003 05:13:44 PM |
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On 23 Oct 2003 21:40:13 GMT, (franco@grex) wrote:
devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
That one statement is true. Depression is not a disease, it is a symptom
that can be caused by any number of conditions.
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We are here on earth to do good to others. What the others are here for I don't
know.
- W. H. Auden (1907-1973)
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: I need to go NORTH. |
26 Oct 2003 09:42:27 AM |
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Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff ...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North .. North in the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just veg
..recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no time ..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with family.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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| Title: Re: I need to go NORTH. |
26 Oct 2003 09:44:39 AM |
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you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff ...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North .. North in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no time
...
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: Re: I need to go NORTH. |
26 Oct 2003 09:48:00 AM |
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Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff ...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North .. North in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2003 09:50:14 AM |
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i live really close to there
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngqbi$fc7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff ...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North .. North
in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too
much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just
veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
.
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| User: "Wrecking Ball" |
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26 Oct 2003 09:59:09 AM |
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Have you ever seen the northern lights? Does it look just like it does
in books?
% wrote:
i live really close to there
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngqbi$fc7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff ...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North .. North
in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too
much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just
veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:06:40 AM |
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I see them all the time , sometimes they look like what you see in books ,
sometimes they're much more brighter than what I've seen in books ,
sometimes like lightning bolts , sometimes not so bright like wisps of smoke
,
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hbSmb.5470$FI2.3526@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Have you ever seen the northern lights? Does it look just like it does
in books?
% wrote:
i live really close to there
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngqbi$fc7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I
hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff ...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North .. North
in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too
much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just
veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
.
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| User: "Wrecking Ball" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:44:24 AM |
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Your lucky.
% wrote:
I see them all the time , sometimes they look like what you see in books ,
sometimes they're much more brighter than what I've seen in books ,
sometimes like lightning bolts , sometimes not so bright like wisps of smoke
,
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hbSmb.5470$FI2.3526@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Have you ever seen the northern lights? Does it look just like it does
in books?
% wrote:
i live really close to there
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngqbi$fc7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I
hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff ...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North .. North
in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too
much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just
veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:50:39 AM |
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sometimes I think so too ,
I was just trying to think of something you may have experienced ,
that would come close to how they look most of the time ,
and if you have ever stood over a deep pool of water with the sun behind you
,
you know how you see the beams of sunlight penetrating down into the water ?
it looks a lot like that
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IRSmb.5510$FI2.4636@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Your lucky.
% wrote:
I see them all the time , sometimes they look like what you see in books
,
sometimes they're much more brighter than what I've seen in books ,
sometimes like lightning bolts , sometimes not so bright like wisps of
smoke
,
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hbSmb.5470$FI2.3526@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Have you ever seen the northern lights? Does it look just like it does
in books?
% wrote:
i live really close to there
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngqbi$fc7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I
hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff
....
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North ..
North
in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too
much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just
veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
.
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| User: "Wrecking Ball" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:55:57 AM |
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You can see them at night and during the day?
% wrote:
sometimes I think so too ,
I was just trying to think of something you may have experienced ,
that would come close to how they look most of the time ,
and if you have ever stood over a deep pool of water with the sun behind you
,
you know how you see the beams of sunlight penetrating down into the water ?
it looks a lot like that
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IRSmb.5510$FI2.4636@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Your lucky.
% wrote:
I see them all the time , sometimes they look like what you see in books
,
sometimes they're much more brighter than what I've seen in books ,
sometimes like lightning bolts , sometimes not so bright like wisps of
smoke
,
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hbSmb.5470$FI2.3526@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Have you ever seen the northern lights? Does it look just like it does
in books?
% wrote:
i live really close to there
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngqbi$fc7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I
hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff
...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North ..
North
in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get too
much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me just
veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal with
family.
.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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26 Oct 2003 01:04:52 PM |
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only at night time on clear nights
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:x0Tmb.3919$X22.2437@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
You can see them at night and during the day?
% wrote:
sometimes I think so too ,
I was just trying to think of something you may have experienced ,
that would come close to how they look most of the time ,
and if you have ever stood over a deep pool of water with the sun behind
you
,
you know how you see the beams of sunlight penetrating down into the
water ?
it looks a lot like that
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IRSmb.5510$FI2.4636@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Your lucky.
% wrote:
I see them all the time , sometimes they look like what you see in
books
,
sometimes they're much more brighter than what I've seen in books ,
sometimes like lightning bolts , sometimes not so bright like wisps of
smoke
,
"Wrecking Ball" <j39s89384d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hbSmb.5470$FI2.3526@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Have you ever seen the northern lights? Does it look just like it does
in books?
% wrote:
i live really close to there
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngqbi$fc7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Alaska .. is the real NORTH. .... One day I will live there. (I
hope)....
"%" <surfs@uniserve> wrote in message
news:vpnqvbnkgaccaa@corp.supernews.com...
you should come to the real north
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message
news:bngq15$egr$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
Beeing sick ... starting a new job this past week.. family stuff
...
AHHHHHHHH I need to get away. Go visit my friend up North ..
North
in
the
cold empty middle Wisconsin. That is where I go when things get
too
much
here. I go there for a weekend. He lets me just hang out take
long
walks
by myself... we have a few deep talks .. but mostly he lets me
just
veg
.recover and then i go back home ready to tackle life again. But
no
time
..
must stay here ... get well.. settle into new job ... and deal
with
family.
.
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| User: "Tracy Barber" |
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| Title: Re: depression, what it is and what it isn't |
23 Oct 2003 07:11:27 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:13:44 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 21:40:13 GMT, (franco@grex) wrote:
devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
That one statement is true. Depression is not a disease, it is a symptom
that can be caused by any number of conditions.
http://www.mcmanweb.com/depressionfaq.htm
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
More and more, the illness is taking on stronger verbiage.
Tracy Barber
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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24 Oct 2003 10:49:12 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:11:27 GMT, (Tracy Barber)
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:13:44 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 21:40:13 GMT, (franco@grex) wrote:
devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
That one statement is true. Depression is not a disease, it is a symptom
that can be caused by any number of conditions.
http://www.mcmanweb.com/depressionfaq.htm
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
That doesn't even begin to compare to the number of people affected by
Fever Disease...
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ARREST, v.t. Formally to detain one accused of unusualness.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Tracy Barber" |
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| Title: Re: depression, what it is and what it isn't |
24 Oct 2003 11:13:08 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:49:12 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:11:27 GMT, (Tracy Barber)
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:13:44 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 21:40:13 GMT, (franco@grex) wrote:
devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
That one statement is true. Depression is not a disease, it is a symptom
that can be caused by any number of conditions.
http://www.mcmanweb.com/depressionfaq.htm
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
That doesn't even begin to compare to the number of people affected by
Fever Disease...
Of course, you're being foolish now.
Tracy Barber
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: depression, what it is and what it isn't |
24 Oct 2003 12:38:00 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:13:08 GMT, (Tracy Barber)
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:49:12 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
That doesn't even begin to compare to the number of people affected by
Fever Disease...
Of course, you're being foolish now.
No, I'm not. Just look around a.s.d. and count the number of people here.
Then tell me how much they know about depression.
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POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The
conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Tracy Barber" |
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| Title: Re: depression, what it is and what it isn't |
24 Oct 2003 01:54:49 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:38:00 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:13:08 GMT, (Tracy Barber)
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:49:12 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
That doesn't even begin to compare to the number of people affected by
Fever Disease...
Of course, you're being foolish now.
No, I'm not. Just look around a.s.d. and count the number of people here.
Then tell me how much they know about depression.
Um. They know they are because they're here? heh. This is anarchy
here - an alt. UseNet cyber bar room.
There are some here that have a true handle on what depression is.
They live it and deal with it. Of course, on the road to finding them
YMMV.
Fever disease? Dengue Fever? Malaria? Dysentery? Yoiks!
Tracy Barber
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: depression, what it is and what it isn't |
28 Oct 2003 03:15:37 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:54:49 GMT, (Tracy Barber)
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:38:00 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
No, I'm not. Just look around a.s.d. and count the number of people here.
Then tell me how much they know about depression.
Um. They know they are because they're here? heh. This is anarchy
here - an alt. UseNet cyber bar room.
There are some here that have a true handle on what depression is.
They live it and deal with it. Of course, on the road to finding them
YMMV.
I meant tell me how much they, meaning medical science, knows about
depression. In other words, if medical science really had a handle on it,
a.s.d would be nearly empty.
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28 Oct 2003 05:28:09 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:15:37 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:54:49 GMT, (Tracy Barber)
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:38:00 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
No, I'm not. Just look around a.s.d. and count the number of people here.
Then tell me how much they know about depression.
Um. They know they are because they're here? heh. This is anarchy
here - an alt. UseNet cyber bar room.
There are some here that have a true handle on what depression is.
They live it and deal with it. Of course, on the road to finding them
YMMV.
I meant tell me how much they, meaning medical science, knows about
depression. In other words, if medical science really had a handle on it,
a.s.d would be nearly empty.
Not necessarily. There are happy pills, but not happy pills to take
that innate need to converse with other humans. :^)
Tracy Barber
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Tracy Barber wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:13:44 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 21:40:13 GMT, (franco@grex) wrote:
devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
That one statement is true. Depression is not a disease, it is a symptom
that can be caused by any number of conditions.
http://www.mcmanweb.com/depressionfaq.htm
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
More and more, the illness is taking on stronger verbiage.
This is exactly what I mean by society mistreating depression. It is
treated often as a biological disorder, or a behavioral one stemming
mainly from the individual him/herself. Depression is not a disease in
the same way that cancer is in that it is not a bad thing in and of
itself. It most often has specific reasons and the person is reacting to
his/her situation.
Imagine a situation where a large ship is old and unstable. Suddenly
leaks form at the bottom of the ship. The people below deck aware of
this become distressed. Those at the top, yet unaware of this are
ignorant and content. When it is revealted that those at the bottom are
distressed, instead of finding out why they are distressed they treat
the distress itself and the crew below deck is drugged up and are sent
back to continue their work as though nothing is wrong with the ship and
that everything has been fixed. The leaks are still there, and are
getting worse. But all is well above deck.
Tracy Barber
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24 Oct 2003 11:12:06 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:30:39 GMT, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
Tracy Barber wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:13:44 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 21:40:13 GMT, (franco@grex) wrote:
devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
That one statement is true. Depression is not a disease, it is a symptom
that can be caused by any number of conditions.
http://www.mcmanweb.com/depressionfaq.htm
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
More and more, the illness is taking on stronger verbiage.
This is exactly what I mean by society mistreating depression. It is
treated often as a biological disorder, or a behavioral one stemming
mainly from the individual him/herself. Depression is not a disease in
the same way that cancer is in that it is not a bad thing in and of
itself. It most often has specific reasons and the person is reacting to
his/her situation.
This is a big thing. A disease. Nobody wants to be tacked on with a
disease. Some depressions are chemical imbalances in the brain. That
is not a behavioral or situational illness.
Imagine a situation where a large ship is old and unstable. Suddenly
leaks form at the bottom of the ship. The people below deck aware of
this become distressed. Those at the top, yet unaware of this are
ignorant and content. When it is revealted that those at the bottom are
distressed, instead of finding out why they are distressed they treat
the distress itself and the crew below deck is drugged up and are sent
back to continue their work as though nothing is wrong with the ship and
that everything has been fixed. The leaks are still there, and are
getting worse. But all is well above deck.
This is an OK description of people, like me, who have had situational
depression.
Not for those that have a physical problem underlying the depression.
I truly believe that depression will be given a disease status before
I pass on, just like alcoholism and drug addiction have.
A disease is not a good thing or a bad thing. Nobody wants them, to
be sure. It's the stigma behind the word "disease" that people fear.
Tracy Barber
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24 Oct 2003 04:36:34 PM |
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Tracy Barber wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:30:39 GMT, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
Tracy Barber wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:13:44 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 21:40:13 GMT, (franco@grex) wrote:
devilman <noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote...
Depression is not a disease in itself....
Has anyone else noticed that this post is full of *****? Where are the
references? The poster forgot to add the most important IMO before his post.
That one statement is true. Depression is not a disease, it is a symptom
that can be caused by any number of conditions.
http://www.mcmanweb.com/depressionfaq.htm
"According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately
18.8 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the US
population age 18 and older in a given year, have a depressive
disorder. According to the World Health Organization, depression is
presently on track to becoming the world's second-most disabling
disease (after heart disease) by the year 2020.
http://www.pharmacist.com/pdf/hilite_depression_july_1999.pdf
"Depression: Unmasking an Insidious Disease"
No doubt there will be more by the time the 2010 DSM-V appears...
More and more, the illness is taking on stronger verbiage.
This is exactly what I mean by society mistreating depression. It is
treated often as a biological disorder, or a behavioral one stemming
mainly from the individual him/herself. Depression is not a disease in
the same way that cancer is in that it is not a bad thing in and of
itself. It most often has specific reasons and the person is reacting to
his/her situation.
This is a big thing. A disease. Nobody wants to be tacked on with a
disease. Some depressions are chemical imbalances in the brain. That
is not a behavioral or situational illness.
The term "chemical imbalance" is not a scientific one. There is no real
balance of chemicals in one's brain. A stressed brain is likely to be
different in ways than a healthy one. But then is depression a result of
a stressed brain or is a stressed brain the result of depression? It's
not one or the other. They interact with each other in complex ways and
both affect each other.
Imagine a situation where a large ship is old and unstable. Suddenly
leaks form at the bottom of the ship. The people below deck aware of
this become distressed. Those at the top, yet unaware of this are
ignorant and content. When it is revealted that those at the bottom are
distressed, instead of finding out why they are distressed they treat
the distress itself and the crew below deck is drugged up and are sent
back to continue their work as though nothing is wrong with the ship and
that everything has been fixed. The leaks are still there, and are
getting worse. But all is well above deck.
This is an OK description of people, like me, who have had situational
depression.
Not for those that have a physical problem underlying the depression.
Depression is one of the most common so called "diseases." If it is
biological in origin, why haven't we seen more variety of such emotional
states? What is to stop society from labelling shyness, social anxiety,
homosexuality, and hyper-activity as diseases?
I truly believe that depression will be given a disease status before
I pass on, just like alcoholism and drug addiction have.
A disease is not a good thing or a bad thing. Nobody wants them, to
be sure. It's the stigma behind the word "disease" that people fear.
Tracy Barber
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26 Oct 2003 12:20:46 PM |
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In alt.support.depression on Friday 24 Oct 2003 10:36 pm, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
snip
Depression is one of the most common so called "diseases." If it is
biological in origin, why haven't we seen more variety of such emotional
states? What is to stop society from labelling shyness, social anxiety,
homosexuality, and hyper-activity as diseases?
snip
Anxiety and hyper-activity *are* condidered illnesses, and treated with
medication, in cases that are 'bad enough'. Homosexuality was classed as
an illness for a long time in the 20th Century, and all sorts of treatments
were tried to get a 'cure' (there were even 'successes').
I don't know why you chose the term 'disease'. It can mean different things
to different people.
I do 'have a hunch' that some sort of infection may be involved in at least
some forms of 'mental' illness, including some forms of 'Depression'.
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28 Oct 2003 03:30:46 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:20:46 +0000, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
wrote:
Anxiety and hyper-activity *are* condidered illnesses, and treated with
medication, in cases that are 'bad enough'. Homosexuality was classed as
an illness for a long time in the 20th Century, and all sorts of treatments
were tried to get a 'cure' (there were even 'successes').
Wow, it's a curious form of politically correct suicide to claim that there
have been successes in treating homosexuality... I'll join you. There
have been successes. Homosexuality, like depression, is not a single thing
either. Sexuality is a very complicated thing.
A "true" homosexual would be hard-wired to be aroused by the same sex -
their subjective sense of sexuality would be the complete opposite of their
gender. Obviously that isn't the case. There are many psychological
factors involved that can affect sexuality.
I do 'have a hunch' that some sort of infection may be involved in at least
some forms of 'mental' illness, including some forms of 'Depression'.
Borna virus...? There is some research going on to find out if the borna
virus might cause certain forms of mental illness (depression, bi-polar).
I investigated as far as to be tested for it twice. I tested negative
while manic, and positive while depressed.
That happens to be what they have usually found to be the case. That and
some mysterious viral infection earlier in life (in my case during the
summer between 5th and 6th grade.) If there is anything to it, I may have
gotten it from a guinea pig I owned back then (and Winnie died not long
after that.)
It's just research, but I'm still looking into it. I did feel much better
while taking Amantadine (the one drug they suspect may treat a borna
infection, at least as far as making it dormant).
---
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very
angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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29 Oct 2003 01:46:37 PM |
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In alt.support.depression on Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 9:30 pm, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:20:46 +0000, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
wrote:
Anxiety and hyper-activity *are* condidered illnesses, and treated with
medication, in cases that are 'bad enough'. Homosexuality was classed as
an illness for a long time in the 20th Century, and all sorts of
treatments were tried to get a 'cure' (there were even 'successes').
Wow, it's a curious form of politically correct suicide to claim that
there have been successes in treating homosexuality... I'll join you.
There have been successes. Homosexuality, like depression, is not a
single thing either. Sexuality is a very complicated thing.
The 'successes' were claimed by the 'experts' whose 'treatment' 'worked'. I
strongly suspect that many of the 'successes' were a case of the 'patient'
just saying whatever the 'doctor' wanted to hear, simply to stop any more
'treatment'. I suspect the same may sometimes be true of other
'treatments' for various things - eg ECT as a treatment for Depression.
A "true" homosexual would be hard-wired to be aroused by the same sex -
their subjective sense of sexuality would be the complete opposite of
their gender. Obviously that isn't the case. There are many
psychological factors involved that can affect sexuality.
More recent 'expert opinion' does seem to be that gender and sexual
'orientation' are indeed hard-wired, at least to some extent. It would
certainly be a strange career move for a psychologist to claim a 'cure' for
homosexuality today; not so long ago, homosexuality was treated as an
illness - and that was one argument used in the UK to try to get the law
changed; after all, it makes no sense to punish an illness as a crime.
(The law has now been changed).
I do 'have a hunch' that some sort of infection may be involved in at
least some forms of 'mental' illness, including some forms of
'Depression'.
Borna virus...? There is some research going on to find out if the borna
virus might cause certain forms of mental illness (depression, bi-polar).
I investigated as far as to be tested for it twice. I tested negative
while manic, and positive while depressed.
That's interesting.
I've read suggestions that more common things, such as flu or measles or
chicken-pox, could be involved; there are also probably 'infective agents'
that we have not yet discovered. 'Prions' are blamed for the degenerative
nerve illness caused to sheep in 'scrapy', cattle in 'BSE' (bovine
spongiform encephalopathy; 'mad cow disease'), and humans (new varient
Creutzfeld-Yachov disease 'vCJD'). (I may have got some of the spelling
wrong there!).
That happens to be what they have usually found to be the case. That and
some mysterious viral infection earlier in life (in my case during the
summer between 5th and 6th grade.) If there is anything to it, I may have
gotten it from a guinea pig I owned back then (and Winnie died not long
after that.)
It's just research, but I'm still looking into it. I did feel much better
while taking Amantadine (the one drug they suspect may treat a borna
infection, at least as far as making it dormant).
Certainly a worthy line of investigation. We already know that some
infections can lie dormant for years or decades, and then re-appear out of
the blue, possibly with different symptoms (chicken-pox comes back as
shingles, for example).
--
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-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
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30 Oct 2003 11:08:01 PM |
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Whiskers wrote:
In alt.support.depression on Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 9:30 pm, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:20:46 +0000, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
wrote:
Anxiety and hyper-activity *are* condidered illnesses, and treated with
medication, in cases that are 'bad enough'. Homosexuality was classed as
an illness for a long time in the 20th Century, and all sorts of
treatments were tried to get a 'cure' (there were even 'successes').
Wow, it's a curious form of politically correct suicide to claim that
there have been successes in treating homosexuality... I'll join you.
There have been successes. Homosexuality, like depression, is not a
single thing either. Sexuality is a very complicated thing.
The 'successes' were claimed by the 'experts' whose 'treatment' 'worked'. I
strongly suspect that many of the 'successes' were a case of the 'patient'
just saying whatever the 'doctor' wanted to hear, simply to stop any more
'treatment'. I suspect the same may sometimes be true of other
'treatments' for various things - eg ECT as a treatment for Depression.
A "true" homosexual would be hard-wired to be aroused by the same sex -
their subjective sense of sexuality would be the complete opposite of
their gender. Obviously that isn't the case. There are many
psychological factors involved that can affect sexuality.
More recent 'expert opinion' does seem to be that gender and sexual
'orientation' are indeed hard-wired, at least to some extent. It would
certainly be a strange career move for a psychologist to claim a 'cure' for
homosexuality today; not so long ago, homosexuality was treated as an
illness - and that was one argument used in the UK to try to get the law
changed; after all, it makes no sense to punish an illness as a crime.
(The law has now been changed).
Sexual orientation is not hard-wired. Biology plays a part in it, but
not the only part. If kids can be raised straight, they can be raised
gay.
I do 'have a hunch' that some sort of infection may be involved in at
least some forms of 'mental' illness, including some forms of
'Depression'.
Borna virus...? There is some research going on to find out if the borna
virus might cause certain forms of mental illness (depression, bi-polar).
I investigated as far as to be tested for it twice. I tested negative
while manic, and positive while depressed.
That's interesting.
I've read suggestions that more common things, such as flu or measles or
chicken-pox, could be involved; there are also probably 'infective agents'
that we have not yet discovered. 'Prions' are blamed for the degenerative
nerve illness caused to sheep in 'scrapy', cattle in 'BSE' (bovine
spongiform encephalopathy; 'mad cow disease'), and humans (new varient
Creutzfeld-Yachov disease 'vCJD'). (I may have got some of the spelling
wrong there!).
That happens to be what they have usually found to be the case. That and
some mysterious viral infection earlier in life (in my case during the
summer between 5th and 6th grade.) If there is anything to it, I may have
gotten it from a guinea pig I owned back then (and Winnie died not long
after that.)
It's just research, but I'm still looking into it. I did feel much better
while taking Amantadine (the one drug they suspect may treat a borna
infection, at least as far as making it dormant).
Certainly a worthy line of investigation. We already know that some
infections can lie dormant for years or decades, and then re-appear out of
the blue, possibly with different symptoms (chicken-pox comes back as
shingles, for example).
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31 Oct 2003 11:42:48 AM |
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In alt.support.depression on Friday 31 Oct 2003 5:08 am, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
snip
Sexual orientation is not hard-wired. Biology plays a part in it, but
not the only part. If kids can be raised straight, they can be raised
gay.
I suspect there are parents who would like to know how a child can be
'raised gay' or 'raised straight'.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^ Interested in Citroens?
-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
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01 Nov 2003 01:09:42 PM |
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Whiskers wrote:
In alt.support.depression on Friday 31 Oct 2003 5:08 am, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
snip
Sexual orientation is not hard-wired. Biology plays a part in it, but
not the only part. If kids can be raised straight, they can be raised
gay.
I suspect there are parents who would like to know how a child can be
'raised gay' or 'raised straight'.
Children are raised into their sex roles. Males are encouraged to take
on certain habits, and females other habits. Males are encouraged to
play rough sports, be tough, repress their emotions, and be active while
girls are conditioned to be sensitive, to be feminine, and submissive.
Those who fit in nicely into this system are rewarded while deviants are
penalized, much of this going on in social interactions. A boy is
labelled a "fag" if he is feminine, skinny, etc.
But in reality, humans are not like animals. We have the ability to
have both male and female qualities of masculine/feminine,
submissive/dominant, etc.
There are much more gay people than there are visible in the public
sphere. Almost everyone has a homosexual experience. What I mean by
homosexual experience is not specifically a physical homosexual
experience, but homosexual thoughts. Every male has thought of another
male as attractive. They are afraid to investigate this appeal further
and instead are disgusted by their own feelings. They tell themselves
this is a "deviation" or some kind of mental disease. One can attribute
this to the enormous possibilities of the human mind to go beyond the
hardwiring of the body. The human mind can essentially break down all
*supposedly* natural boundaries such as going against the survival
instinct and committing suicide, and going against one's assigned
biological sex. But are these boundaries to be obeyed and regulated or
were they meant to be broken? In essence we create our own laws whether
they conform to nature or not. Some people fear the ultimate
possibilities of the mind and try to control people's minds into
submission. They fear the unregulated absolutely free mind, which might
go against their traditions and convictions. But one must realize that
we have reached a point in the history of life where we go beyond
nature, and even make up our own laws that may go completely against
nature. This is the essense of what it means to be human, to be able to
go against nature.
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26 Oct 2003 02:57:49 PM |
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Whiskers wrote:
In alt.support.depression on Friday 24 Oct 2003 10:36 pm, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
snip
Depression is one of the most common so called "diseases." If it is
biological in origin, why haven't we seen more variety of such emotional
states? What is to stop society from labelling shyness, social anxiety,
homosexuality, and hyper-activity as diseases?
snip
Anxiety and hyper-activity *are* condidered illnesses, and treated with
medication, in cases that are 'bad enough'. Homosexuality was classed as
an illness for a long time in the 20th Century, and all sorts of treatments
were tried to get a 'cure' (there were even 'successes').
Anxiety and hyper-activity can never be cured. That's like saying one
can cure feelings of jealousy. They can be reduced and controlled, but
they are natural feelings that everyone experiences. And they need not
be bad things in and of themselves.
I don't know why you chose the term 'disease'. It can mean different things
to different people.
I interpret "disease" to mean that it is bad in and of itself.
I do 'have a hunch' that some sort of infection may be involved in at least
some forms of 'mental' illness, including some forms of 'Depression'.
Infection or other biological reasons may have something to do with it,
but I'd imagine these are quite rare. Depression is usually associated
with temperament and with attitude towards life. This is not a purely
biological chemical thing.
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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26 Oct 2003 06:53:11 PM |
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In alt.support.depression on Sunday 26 Oct 2003 8:57 pm, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
Whiskers wrote:
In alt.support.depression on Friday 24 Oct 2003 10:36 pm, devilman
<noone@sodifjoijsdfsdfoisdf.com> wrote:
snip
Depression is one of the most common so called "diseases." If it is
biological in origin, why haven't we seen more variety of such emotional
states? What is to stop society from labelling shyness, social anxiety,
homosexuality, and hyper-activity as diseases?
snip
Anxiety and hyper-activity *are* condidered illnesses, and treated with
medication, in cases that are 'bad enough'. Homosexuality was classed as
an illness for a long time in the 20th Century, and all sorts of
treatments were tried to get a 'cure' (there were even 'successes').
Anxiety and hyper-activity can never be cured. That's like saying one
can cure feelings of jealousy. They can be reduced and controlled, but
they are natural feelings that everyone experiences. And they need not
be bad things in and of themselves.
There are degrees of Anxiety, etc. Don't assume that the person who is
anxious about missing the train to work on Monday, has the same sort of
Anxiety as the person who is so Anxious that they can barely move or speak.
I don't know why you chose the term 'disease'. It can mean different
things to different people.
I interpret "disease" to mean that it is bad in and of itself.
That is a subjective thing - and could apply to an aspect of character, or
even to dress-sense. You need to be more precise, and objective.
I do 'have a hunch' that some sort of infection may be involved in at
least some forms of 'mental' illness, including some forms of
'Depression'.
Infection or other biological reasons may have something to do with it,
but I'd imagine these are quite rare. Depression is usually associated
with temperament and with attitude towards life. This is not a purely
biological chemical thing.
Don't you think that the 'temperament' and 'attitude' might arise from the
illness? Otherwise, you are saying that I choose to be Depressed, and
should presumably be able to choose otherwise any time I want - which is
not only untrue, it's also insulting.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^ Interested in Citroens?
-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
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