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"blank" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:11:17 AM |
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do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 12:25:44 AM |
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In article <1157001077.438279.171690@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
Depression is just anger turned inward.
The trick is to drill a hole in the back of your head to let it escape.
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 04:08:44 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:25:44 GMT, RGB <mark022806-asd@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <1157001077.438279.171690@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
Depression is just anger turned inward.
The trick is to drill a hole in the back of your head to let it escape.
LOL. Not really, but I smiled.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 04:57:11 PM |
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In article <7ujef25tm2tebc91gphpm546j1if9aji5r@4ax.com>,
Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
Depression is just anger turned inward.
The trick is to drill a hole in the back of your head to let it escape.
LOL. Not really, but I smiled.
Glad to hear it! And I appreciate your honesty about what *actually*
happened! =8^)
Mark
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 01:56:18 AM |
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It is hard to tell, but with both you can be well again. I would suggest
seeking outpatient services at a nearby clinic. You are also welcome to hang
around asd, there is a lot to learn.
"blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157001077.438279.171690@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 12:19:58 PM |
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On 30 Aug 2006 22:11:17 -0700, "blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
->I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
->dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
->positive thinking?
In my experience, positive thinking and vitamins help, but no.
I was stubborn and went med-free for years. When I look back on how
screwed-up I was, especially how many jobs I had to resign, it
convinces me to stick with meds (and meditation, vitamins and
Omega-3).
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| User: "justabeing" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
01 Sep 2006 01:08:28 PM |
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"notchimera" <dont@bother.com> wrote in message
news:vu5ef2dj47nvlle9o123aq3e3efij3n3pu@4ax.com...
On 30 Aug 2006 22:11:17 -0700, "blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
->I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
->dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
->positive thinking?
In my experience, positive thinking and vitamins help, but no.
I was stubborn and went med-free for years. When I look back on how
screwed-up I was, especially how many jobs I had to resign, it
convinces me to stick with meds (and meditation, vitamins and
Omega-3).
yep, i feel the same, your remarks rang 100% true with myself, as well
there is a strong mind-body-spirit connection, to care for one part and
disregard the other(s) has always proved detrimental to my mental health
(not to mention my physical health.......and when both are in the toilet, I
clearly see my spirit suffering, as well)
gotta take care of the entire package (at least in my case)
justa
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 04:16:11 PM |
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On 30 Aug 2006 22:11:17 -0700, "blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
According to an AMA book I have, depression can be caused by vitamin
deficiency. If a particular person's depression happens to be caused
by that, then vitamin supplements may just cure it, or relieve the
symptoms. If a particular person's depression is not caused by
vitamin deficiency, then I can't see any reason to think that
supplements would help. I did try one of the mega-vitamin programs
for a while, it was expensive and I couldn't see that it did anything
one way or the other.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 10:39:26 AM |
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On 30 Aug 2006 22:11:17 -0700, "blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
It may be a circular question. There is evidence to show that depression is
a condition involving norepinephrine, serotonin, dopamine, GABA, and
others. But other information suggests the problem is occurring at a much
lower level and the drugs that effect those neurotransmitters only work
once the effects cascade down the chemical line.
There is also the HPA (Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Adrenal) disturbance as a
cause of depression. That is a hormone imbalance at root, but it can go on
to affect the usual neurotransmitters.
Then we have thought. Persistent negative thinking can cause normal
neurotransmitter levels to malfunction. So can a persistent exposure to
shock and fear (i.e. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.)
So it seems that biology can cause depression, and negative thought
patterns can cause depression. Neurotransmitters effect thoughts, and
persistent thoughts effect neurotransmitters.
There is no simple answer. Positive thinking may work fine for someone who
just has the blues. But it will be completely ineffective for someone who
has crippling depression. The brain is a biochemical computer. How can you
expect a malfunctioning computer to diagnose and fix itself?
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 12:47:26 PM |
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In article <rovdf29ap3eneu2tv5cmg6mkfbe4njnuia@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
The brain is a biochemical computer. How can you
expect a malfunctioning computer to diagnose and fix itself?
Not to endorse the "vitamins and positive thinking" line, but there's a
certain irony here I can't resist the temptation to point out.
Man is a part of nature, and all his efforts in the directions of
therapy, psychopharmacology, etc. are natural activities. Prozac,
Wellbutrin, and even things like ECT and psychosurgery are, according
to a certain school of thought, as "natural" phenomena as vitamin C or
rose hips. But if a malfunctioning brain can't be expected to diagnose
and fix itself, can how a malfunctioning natural organism be expected
to diagnose and fix itself, with only its own natural resources
available to it?
Unless, of course, we're drawing some sort of distinction between what
can be accomplished by natural processes on their own and natural
processes as guided by advanced technology and engineering.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 02:49:48 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:47:26 +0000, RGB wrote:
In article <rovdf29ap3eneu2tv5cmg6mkfbe4njnuia@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
The brain is a biochemical computer. How can you expect a
malfunctioning computer to diagnose and fix itself?
Not to endorse the "vitamins and positive thinking" line, but there's a
certain irony here I can't resist the temptation to point out.
Man is a part of nature, and all his efforts in the directions of
therapy, psychopharmacology, etc. are natural activities. Prozac,
Wellbutrin, and even things like ECT and psychosurgery are, according to
a certain school of thought, as "natural" phenomena as vitamin C or rose
hips. But if a malfunctioning brain can't be expected to diagnose and
fix itself, can how a malfunctioning natural organism be expected to
diagnose and fix itself, with only its own natural resources available
to it?
Unless, of course, we're drawing some sort of distinction between what
can be accomplished by natural processes on their own and natural
processes as guided by advanced technology and engineering.
There's nothing unnatural about advanced technology and engineering.
--
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
Feingold-Obama '08 - Because the Constitution isn't history,
It's the law.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 05:01:06 PM |
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In article <pan.2006.08.31.19.49.47.236897@you.now>,
Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
There's nothing unnatural about advanced technology and engineering.
You are correct, sir! Though I suspect you're missing the irony I'm
remarking on here.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
01 Sep 2006 11:15:30 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0000, RGB wrote:
In article <pan.2006.08.31.19.49.47.236897@you.now>,
Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
There's nothing unnatural about advanced technology and engineering.
You are correct, sir! Though I suspect you're missing the irony I'm
remarking on here.
Not at all.
--
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
Feingold-Obama '08 - Because the Constitution isn't history,
It's the law.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
01 Sep 2006 11:41:42 AM |
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In article <pan.2006.09.01.16.15.30.635486@you.now>,
Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
There's nothing unnatural about advanced technology and engineering.
You are correct, sir! Though I suspect you're missing the irony I'm
remarking on here.
Not at all.
Ah.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 05:22:32 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:49:48 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:47:26 +0000, RGB wrote:
In article <rovdf29ap3eneu2tv5cmg6mkfbe4njnuia@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
The brain is a biochemical computer. How can you expect a
malfunctioning computer to diagnose and fix itself?
Not to endorse the "vitamins and positive thinking" line, but there's a
certain irony here I can't resist the temptation to point out.
Man is a part of nature, and all his efforts in the directions of
therapy, psychopharmacology, etc. are natural activities. Prozac,
Wellbutrin, and even things like ECT and psychosurgery are, according to
a certain school of thought, as "natural" phenomena as vitamin C or rose
hips. But if a malfunctioning brain can't be expected to diagnose and
fix itself, can how a malfunctioning natural organism be expected to
diagnose and fix itself, with only its own natural resources available
to it?
Unless, of course, we're drawing some sort of distinction between what
can be accomplished by natural processes on their own and natural
processes as guided by advanced technology and engineering.
There's nothing unnatural about advanced technology and engineering.
RGB seems to have missed the small point that although most all organisms
have methods of self-repair, it doesn't mean that all organisms can always
repair themselves.
Humans are the only animal that has created methods of self-repair. That
creation is perfectly natural since it is the result of using the human
brain.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 05:44:14 PM |
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In article <rvnef21jpebac42pad84inimgncan1scir@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
RGB seems to have missed the small point that although most all organisms
have methods of self-repair, it doesn't mean that all organisms can always
repair themselves.
RGB is aware that you said that something that will work for one person
will not necessarily work for another person, and RGB of course does
not agree with something so obvious.
RGB was simply observing that your "a malfunctioning system cannot fix
itself" point doesn't hold, and RGB found it curious that someone who
advocates the position that human technology is simply another part of
the Big Natural System would make such a statement.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 05:50:59 PM |
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In article <1DJJg.2877$Df2.1517@fe05.news.easynews.com>,
RGB <mark022806-asd@yahoo.com> wrote:
RGB is aware that you said that something that will work for one person
will not necessarily work for another person, and RGB of course does
not agree with something so obvious.
*****! Read: "agree" -> "DISagree"
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 12:26:26 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:39:26 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On 30 Aug 2006 22:11:17 -0700, "blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
The brain is a biochemical computer. How can you expect a malfunctioning
computer to diagnose and fix itself?
The brain trying to "fix" itself and come to grips with the imperfect
sensory apparatus it rides around in may be what caused the problems in
the first place... throw conscious thought on top of that and the circus
has come to town.
--
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
Feingold-Obama '08 - Because the Constitution isn't history,
It's the law.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 12:51:57 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:26:26 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:39:26 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:
On 30 Aug 2006 22:11:17 -0700, "blank" <saharapond@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and serotonin
dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time with vitamin therapy and
positive thinking?
The brain is a biochemical computer. How can you expect a malfunctioning
computer to diagnose and fix itself?
The brain trying to "fix" itself and come to grips with the imperfect
sensory apparatus it rides around in may be what caused the problems in
the first place... throw conscious thought on top of that and the circus
has come to town.
And it's always the circus with scary clowns and sick animals. Why can't
depression be more like Cirque du Soliel, with all sorts of sexy, bendy
chicks in spandex?
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 12:09:09 PM |
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blank wrote...
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and
serotonin dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time
with vitamin therapy and positive thinking?
i think that sometimes regulation of thoughts and actions can
help mitigate depression. it might even 'cure' some situational
depression. however, i don't think it will work in all cases.
it's also very helpful to work with a cognitive/behavioral
therapist to modify one's thinking and behaviors. it's been
shown that a combination of such therapy and medication works
better for depression than either alone.
good question.
-lisa
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 12:47:42 PM |
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On 31 Aug 2006 17:09:09 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
blank wrote...
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and
serotonin dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time
with vitamin therapy and positive thinking?
i think that sometimes regulation of thoughts and actions can
help mitigate depression. it might even 'cure' some situational
depression. however, i don't think it will work in all cases.
it's also very helpful to work with a cognitive/behavioral
therapist to modify one's thinking and behaviors. it's been
shown that a combination of such therapy and medication works
better for depression than either alone.
Some studies have shown that priests/ministers/rabbis are just as effective
as psychologists in many cases.
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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| Title: Re: do you think depression is a biochemical disease? |
31 Aug 2006 01:46:52 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote...
On 31 Aug 2006 17:09:09 GMT, "lisa in mass."
<mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
blank wrote...
I think that it is strongly tied to norepinephrine and
serotonin dysfuntions...but can it be changed over time
with vitamin therapy and positive thinking?
i think that sometimes regulation of thoughts and actions
can help mitigate depression. it might even 'cure' some
situational depression. however, i don't think it will work
in all cases. it's also very helpful to work with a
cognitive/behavioral therapist to modify one's thinking and
behaviors. it's been shown that a combination of such
therapy and medication works better for depression than
either alone.
Some studies have shown that priests/ministers/rabbis are
just as effective as psychologists in many cases.
that's interesting. my therp and i were just discussing faith-
based therapies. it started with his saying how buddhist dbt
is, while using secular language.
-lisa
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