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"Kitty Chan" |
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04 Dec 2005 03:31:17 AM |
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Does depressed people tend to have an wrong perception of reality? |
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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06 Dec 2005 09:49:36 PM |
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"Kitty Chan" <kittychan953@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder
if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes,
is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of
exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression.
What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as
other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception
of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
My suspicion (which is not a clinical study) is that you can design a
clinical study to prove anything you'd like about whether depressed or
normal people have the more distorted views of reality. Just tailor
the distortions you present them to elicit the type of response that
fits your hypothesis.
I suspect that depressed and normal people make *different* errors in
their thinking, in different situations, and doubt that you can draw a
simple conclusion with a broad brush.
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "BTM Mike" |
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04 Dec 2005 04:50:20 PM |
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I remember reading a book once that said sometimes people with severe
depression tend to se EVERYTHING in a more negative light than
"normal" people. It talks about how the did this test where they put
several scenerios down and told them people to write how they react.
One scenerio was "Your boyfriend/girlfriend breaks up with you." and
the "regular" people wrote stuff like they'd feel upset and miss them
for awhile, but they try to keep the good memories in mind and move
on, well the depressed people wrote how emotionally devestated they'd
be, and some even put they'd feel terrible about themselves etc, etc.
What's interesting though, is they had a few positive scenerios as
well, one for instance was "You received a promotion at work." Not
get this, the "normal" people said they'd feel happy and celebrate
etc, but the depressed people still view the event as negative, one
even saying that the boss probably only got promoted because the boss
"felt sorry" for them.
The point of the study was that people with severe depressed seem to
view positive scenerios in a negative light.
Me, I don't think it's a matter of them just being excessively
negative and cynical, I think it's just that (from personal
experience) when you're depressed it's hard to see past that dark
cloud and recognize ANY ray of sunshine that might be shining on you.
The feelness of hopelessness can be a bit all consuming at times.
BTM
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
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| User: "gravity" |
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04 Dec 2005 05:02:49 PM |
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Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
and just how the hell do you measure positive vs negative perception of
reality?!
i would agree that normal people are deluded. psychosis is simply the
transfer of information from one quantum reality to another. *all* of the
possibilities exist at once.
you might read up on cognitive dissonance and defense mechanisms. this
seems to be what keeps the sane people from ending up in locked wards. they
are basically lying to themselves.
Gravity
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| User: "electro" |
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04 Dec 2005 06:35:01 PM |
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i would agree that normal people are deluded. psychosis is simply the
transfer of information from one quantum reality to another. *all* of the
possibilities exist at once.
I would agree with you that there are so-called "pychotic states" which fall
into this category of perception. However, there are also forms of
psychoses indescribable by this notion. I know a schizophrenic girl who
follows a very regular pattern of aggressively seducing men into having sex
with her, (and becomes obsessive about talking about her conquests - and
then begins attaching too much meaning/emotion to these 'relationships').
Weeks later, after scaring these men away with her level of expectation,
manipulation, and other drama.. ..she delusionally reconstructs her memory
to make herself a victim, and accuses these men of initially raping her, and
being the obsessive pursuers. She's gone to great lengths to construct
believable stories, which she herself obviously believes. The saddest thing
about this is, that the cops have no reason to take her seriously anymore.
(So, if she were to actually suffer being raped.. .she'd have little
recourse for justice to take place).
This was actually a friend of my ex. My ex's parents took this girl in to
their house for awhile, gave her food and money, and supported her
emotionally. Until she started accusing the father of being a
child-molester/pedophile.. ..based upon her gross misconstruence of the word
"come" being used by a 5 year old nephew who was visiting the house. She
even went to the police and filed a report.
My ex was friends with this girl for a long time.. ..sticking it out, and
supporting her through years of her illness. After accusing her father of
molesting children, (which was dismissed after investigation), and several
other spectacular displays, she now has no want of contact, ever.
So, maybe you believe that there are other realities where this amount of
sexual abuse was actually occuring for this girl.. .. her sensitivity for
picking up a particular reality.. ..I'd be more prone to discard that
explanation, (in this case, and ones like it), for a more pattern-imprinted
one.
you might read up on cognitive dissonance and defense mechanisms. this
seems to be what keeps the sane people from ending up in locked wards.
they
are basically lying to themselves.
that is an interesting point to bring up.. ..one I've explored in the past,
and hadn't thought about for awhile (psychedelics can provide limited access
to these realities). I don't think it can be dismissed.
Ty
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| User: "gravity" |
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04 Dec 2005 05:03:44 PM |
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Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
sane people, normal people, are often totally full of *****.
Gravity
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| User: "kali" |
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04 Dec 2005 09:11:42 PM |
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While Freud is quite out of fashion, he was the one who asserted the
existence of the subconscious...which had as its entire reason for
being, the submersion of "unbearable thoughts" (an interesting way of
naming feelings, but that's Freud). In his own way, Jean-Paul Sartre
also viewed human self-deception as a key to understanding the human
predicament. The term he used for this was "bad faith." Unlike Freud,
however, he viewed this process of lying as being conscious, a moral
failing rather than a question for medical science. It would be
interesting to know what he thought of "mental illness," but I'm not
aware of any writing by him on this subject. Probably the closest he
ever came to it was Existentialism and the Human Emotions.
Whatever perspective you take, it's certainly true that people lie, and
a great deal of that has to do with emotion.
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| User: "gravity" |
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04 Dec 2005 04:56:23 PM |
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depression can be either a mood disorder and/or a psychosis. i have the
psychotic variety. no amount of SSRI will make me see reality more clearly.
Gravity
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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07 Dec 2005 05:19:18 PM |
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In message <1133688677.353980.225880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Kitty Chan <kittychan953@hotmail.com> writes
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives, on the
whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a more
accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place to play
in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested the theory.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "GlennT" |
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07 Dec 2005 11:32:00 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <1133688677.353980.225880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Kitty Chan <kittychan953@hotmail.com> writes
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives, on the
whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a more
accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place to play
in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested the theory.
Maybe that would lead into the terrifying, 'I don't know' area?
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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08 Dec 2005 03:51:25 PM |
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In message <rzPlf.6541$vH5.343201@news.xtra.co.nz>, GlennT
<askme@noname.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <1133688677.353980.225880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Kitty Chan <kittychan953@hotmail.com> writes
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives,
on the whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a
more accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place to
play in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested the theory.
Maybe that would lead into the terrifying, 'I don't know' area?
That's where all good scientists live.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "GlennT" |
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08 Dec 2005 11:59:42 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <rzPlf.6541$vH5.343201@news.xtra.co.nz>, GlennT
<askme@noname.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <1133688677.353980.225880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Kitty Chan <kittychan953@hotmail.com> writes
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives,
on the whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a
more accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place
to play in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested
the theory.
Maybe that would lead into the terrifying, 'I don't know' area?
That's where all good scientists live.
Good and brave...
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| User: "%" |
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09 Dec 2005 12:01:30 AM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.com> wrote in message
news:p39mf.6862$vH5.353590@news.xtra.co.nz...
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <rzPlf.6541$vH5.343201@news.xtra.co.nz>, GlennT
<askme@noname.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <1133688677.353980.225880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Kitty Chan <kittychan953@hotmail.com> writes
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder
if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes,
is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression.
What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as
other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception
of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives,
on the whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a
more accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place
to play in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested
the theory.
Maybe that would lead into the terrifying, 'I don't know' area?
That's where all good scientists live.
Good and brave...
is that in British Columbia
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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07 Dec 2005 11:52:34 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:19:18 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives, on the
whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a more
accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place to play
in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested the theory.
That's the problem. Cynicism is not necessarily an accurate view of
reality. You can cite many specific facts about the world, but *views* are
simply interpretations of those facts. Two views can be completely
contradictory yet both can be accurate.
--
Democracy: Two wolves and a lamb voting on the issue of what to have for
lunch.
Republic: A Democracy where two hundred wolves and one hundred lambs elect
two wolves and one lamb as their representatives to vote on the issue of
what to have for lunch.
Constitutional Republic: A Republic with a Constitution guaranteeing that
lamb is not on the lunch menu. Eventually the Supreme Court rules - five
wolves to four lambs - that mutton is not the same as lamb.
Liberty: A Constitutional Republic where the lambs retain the right to keep
and bear arms.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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08 Dec 2005 03:58:30 PM |
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In message <c8ifp1p7hp7jjkb8k1drtnsj9r5dptsct5@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:19:18 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives, on the
whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a more
accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place to play
in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested the theory.
That's the problem. Cynicism is not necessarily an accurate view of
reality. You can cite many specific facts about the world, but *views* are
simply interpretations of those facts. Two views can be completely
contradictory yet both can be accurate.
The problem is not cynicism being more accurate, but that you do not,
apparently, believe in an external reality. I think that there are
limits to relativism, that life isn't just about some unlikely
philosophical stance that almost nobody on Earth has even heard of, much
less believes.
Most people would agree that if you can kick something it exists in
reality. It's poor philosophy, but only a few thousand people know that,
and billions don't care. And no, I'm not saying I believe that what most
people believe must be right; that's a different fallacy. ;-)
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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08 Dec 2005 05:10:34 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:58:30 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <c8ifp1p7hp7jjkb8k1drtnsj9r5dptsct5@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:19:18 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives, on the
whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a more
accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place to play
in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested the theory.
That's the problem. Cynicism is not necessarily an accurate view of
reality. You can cite many specific facts about the world, but *views* are
simply interpretations of those facts. Two views can be completely
contradictory yet both can be accurate.
The problem is not cynicism being more accurate, but that you do not,
apparently, believe in an external reality. I think that there are
limits to relativism, that life isn't just about some unlikely
philosophical stance that almost nobody on Earth has even heard of, much
less believes.
Yes, I believe in an external reality. That is why you can cite facts
about the world. But the interpretation of those facts is subject to
emotional judgments.
State a fact such as thousands of people starving to death every day. That
is an external reality. But then you may have two people making very
different judgments about the world based on that fact. One may claim that
life is ugly and another may claim that life is beautiful.
--
Health care is too expensive, so the Clinton administration is putting a
high-powered corporate lawyer - Hillary - in charge of making it cheaper.
(This is what I always do when I want to spend less money - hire a lawyer
from Yale.) If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see
what it costs when it's free.
- P.J. O'Rourke
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08 Dec 2005 05:41:50 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:58:30 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <c8ifp1p7hp7jjkb8k1drtnsj9r5dptsct5@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:19:18 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
I have no research to back it up, but I suspect that depressives, on the
whole, tend to be more cynical. Cynics are likely to have a more
accurate view of external reality, since it's not a nice place to play
in. I wonder if a social psychopathologist has ever tested the theory.
That's the problem. Cynicism is not necessarily an accurate view of
reality. You can cite many specific facts about the world, but *views* are
simply interpretations of those facts. Two views can be completely
contradictory yet both can be accurate.
The problem is not cynicism being more accurate, but that you do not,
apparently, believe in an external reality. I think that there are
limits to relativism, that life isn't just about some unlikely
philosophical stance that almost nobody on Earth has even heard of, much
less believes.
Yes, I believe in an external reality. That is why you can cite facts
about the world. But the interpretation of those facts is subject to
emotional judgments.
State a fact such as thousands of people starving to death every day. That
is an external reality. But then you may have two people making very
different judgments about the world based on that fact. One may claim that
life is ugly and another may claim that life is beautiful.
--
that's what I was thinking about recently... maybe the fact is that
life just *is*... We humans analyze it, and put value judgements on it,
in terms of "good" and "bad", but maybe objectively, things just are...
I don't know.... but I think things can be changed... to some extent.
there must be ways to make the world better(what many people would
think of as better, at any rate... even if there is no objective
"better"...)
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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09 Dec 2005 11:47:40 AM |
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On 8 Dec 2005 15:41:50 -0800, "alvintchase" <Icnh@hotmail.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
State a fact such as thousands of people starving to death every day. That
is an external reality. But then you may have two people making very
different judgments about the world based on that fact. One may claim that
life is ugly and another may claim that life is beautiful.
that's what I was thinking about recently... maybe the fact is that
life just *is*... We humans analyze it, and put value judgements on it,
in terms of "good" and "bad", but maybe objectively, things just are...
I don't know.... but I think things can be changed... to some extent.
there must be ways to make the world better(what many people would
think of as better, at any rate... even if there is no objective
"better"...)
This is where things get confusing. Good and bad are just value
judgments... but you think things can be changed to make the world
better... when there is no objective better.
Perhaps the problem is in mentioning the world at all. Maybe the only
thing we really need to be concerned about is ourselves. In short, do
whatever you want.
That is what most people do anyway. Even whiny celebrities who publicly
cry about starving children in Africa one minute while spending $400 for a
bottle of Krystal champagne the next.
--
I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the
answer.
- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Tim Kett" |
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08 Dec 2005 04:54:17 PM |
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Kitty Chan wrote:
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia.
I have a schiz relative who has delusions that could not possibly have
any base in reality. She swears she invented the television (the nice
one)
You dont want to know about the bad ones. She systematically destroys
any relationship in which she thinks the helper will help her no matter
what. She exploits the relationship, until the helper has to quit, in
order to save his/her sanity and finances. I was through with the *****
about 6 months ago.
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04 Dec 2005 03:55:08 AM |
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Kitty Chan wrote:
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
the latest research states that depressives may be far more tuned in
than non-depressives
i'd say the work collegues are using the easy scapegoat.
http://qnc.queensu.ca/story_loader.php?id=4381d1aa783bb
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Dec 2005 08:55:31 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:55:08 +0000, "humble.life" <licketyspl@t.com> wrote:
Kitty Chan wrote:
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
the latest research states that depressives may be far more tuned in
than non-depressives
i'd say the work collegues are using the easy scapegoat.
http://qnc.queensu.ca/story_loader.php?id=4381d1aa783bb
That study is speaking of people who are mildly depressed being a little
more aware of their surrounding environment. No big surprise there since
that is just a survival instinct.
But I would suspect that the Hollywood image of depressed people being more
in tune with "reality" is generally rubbish. Especially when it comes to
depressed people estimating their talents. Any study of such a thing would
naturally run into self-fulfilling prophecies.
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LAWYER, n. One skilled in circumvention of the law.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "humble.life" |
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04 Dec 2005 09:00:20 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:55:08 +0000, "humble.life" <licketyspl@t.com> wrote:
Kitty Chan wrote:
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
the latest research states that depressives may be far more tuned in
than non-depressives
i'd say the work collegues are using the easy scapegoat.
http://qnc.queensu.ca/story_loader.php?id=4381d1aa783bb
That study is speaking of people who are mildly depressed being a little
more aware of their surrounding environment. No big surprise there since
that is just a survival instinct.
But I would suspect that the Hollywood image of depressed people being more
in tune with "reality" is generally rubbish. Especially when it comes to
depressed people estimating their talents. Any study of such a thing would
naturally run into self-fulfilling prophecies.
Hollywood thinks people with mental health problems are lesser.
And true survival instinct is a lot more selfish than thinking about the
world.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Dec 2005 11:18:48 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:00:20 +0000, "humble.life" <licketyspl@t.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
That study is speaking of people who are mildly depressed being a little
more aware of their surrounding environment. No big surprise there since
that is just a survival instinct.
But I would suspect that the Hollywood image of depressed people being more
in tune with "reality" is generally rubbish. Especially when it comes to
depressed people estimating their talents. Any study of such a thing would
naturally run into self-fulfilling prophecies.
Hollywood thinks people with mental health problems are lesser.
And true survival instinct is a lot more selfish than thinking about the
world.
The survival instinct would come into play with noticing more about the
environment. A relatively happy person doesn't need to notice every aspect
of the environment, particularly when it comes to observing the moods of
other people. Depressed people have gnawing fears and a sense that
something is very wrong, so they naturally are going to look for a culprit.
--
EXPERIENCE, n. The wisdom that enables us to recognize as an undesirable
old acquaintance the folly that we have already embraced.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "humble.life" |
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05 Dec 2005 01:44:41 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:00:20 +0000, "humble.life" <licketyspl@t.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
That study is speaking of people who are mildly depressed being a little
more aware of their surrounding environment. No big surprise there since
that is just a survival instinct.
But I would suspect that the Hollywood image of depressed people being more
in tune with "reality" is generally rubbish. Especially when it comes to
depressed people estimating their talents. Any study of such a thing would
naturally run into self-fulfilling prophecies.
Hollywood thinks people with mental health problems are lesser.
And true survival instinct is a lot more selfish than thinking about the
world.
The survival instinct would come into play with noticing more about the
environment. A relatively happy person doesn't need to notice every aspect
of the environment, particularly when it comes to observing the moods of
other people. Depressed people have gnawing fears and a sense that
something is very wrong, so they naturally are going to look for a culprit.
Granted, I want to kill the designer of my home, whoever it was is
killing me...
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| User: "Tim Kett" |
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| Title: Re: Does depressed people tend to have an wrong perception of reality? |
08 Dec 2005 04:47:15 PM |
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Kitty Chan wrote:
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
When I was deathly depressed and untreated, I took something my grandma
said seriousely, even though she never would have meant it. Then I made
a big stink about a junkmail newspaper, and that landed me in jail over
the weekend. So, to some extent, yes, I was "looking through stained
glass", but it was all based on reality, just twisted reality.
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| User: "" |
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04 Dec 2005 12:01:33 PM |
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Well, obviously, in your case a depressed person has no perception of
grammar.
I kid, I kid.
Anyway, I think my depression makes me more aware of what a rotten
world filled with heartless, cruel people reality is than the deluded
happy idiots who I forced to deal with (aghk! never end in a
preposition. Oh, bull.)
Kitty Chan wrote:
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
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| User: "humble.life" |
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| Title: Re: Does depressed people tend to have an wrong perception of reality? |
04 Dec 2005 12:43:54 PM |
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Dear jughandle
Don't toppost.
Ok, only joking, I'm with you 79%, the other 81% is back at the hospital.
jughandle@gmail.com wrote:
Well, obviously, in your case a depressed person has no perception of
grammar.
I kid, I kid.
Anyway, I think my depression makes me more aware of what a rotten
world filled with heartless, cruel people reality is than the deluded
happy idiots who I forced to deal with (aghk! never end in a
preposition. Oh, bull.)
Kitty Chan wrote:
Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Dec 2005 08:56:57 PM |
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On 4 Dec 2005 10:01:33 -0800, wrote:
Anyway, I think my depression makes me more aware of what a rotten
world filled with heartless, cruel people reality is than the deluded
happy idiots who I forced to deal with (aghk! never end in a
preposition. Oh, bull.)
This can be an example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The reality is that
you tend to find what you are looking for.
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A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a
fool trusts either of them.
- P.J. O'Rourke
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| User: "humble.life" |
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04 Dec 2005 09:01:34 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On 4 Dec 2005 10:01:33 -0800, wrote:
Anyway, I think my depression makes me more aware of what a rotten
world filled with heartless, cruel people reality is than the deluded
happy idiots who I forced to deal with (aghk! never end in a
preposition. Oh, bull.)
This can be an example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The reality is that
you tend to find what you are looking for.
which is a statement that cancels itself out...
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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04 Dec 2005 11:19:57 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:01:34 +0000, "humble.life" <licketyspl@t.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
On 4 Dec 2005 10:01:33 -0800, wrote:
Anyway, I think my depression makes me more aware of what a rotten
world filled with heartless, cruel people reality is than the deluded
happy idiots who I forced to deal with (aghk! never end in a
preposition. Oh, bull.)
This can be an example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The reality is that
you tend to find what you are looking for.
which is a statement that cancels itself out...
Not really. The fact is that all sorts of things are going on in the
world. What we choose to focus on is a choice often inspired by our moods.
--
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about
German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American
technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times, and
safely home again.
- Gordon Sinclair: Canadian Radio Journalist, 1973
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| User: "humble.life" |
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05 Dec 2005 01:45:58 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:01:34 +0000, "humble.life" <licketyspl@t.com> wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
On 4 Dec 2005 10:01:33 -0800, wrote:
Anyway, I think my depression makes me more aware of what a rotten
world filled with heartless, cruel people reality is than the deluded
happy idiots who I forced to deal with (aghk! never end in a
preposition. Oh, bull.)
This can be an example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The reality is that
you tend to find what you are looking for.
which is a statement that cancels itself out...
Not really. The fact is that all sorts of things are going on in the
world. What we choose to focus on is a choice often inspired by our moods.
I don't know, you know. The "looser construct" seems usable nomatter
what mood you're in, the shortest sharpest way to write someone off as a
looser so you can take the easy life..
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| User: "electro" |
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04 Dec 2005 03:56:16 AM |
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emotional "reality" is really a perception-based context, with many
interdependant factors. perceiving reality "as it should be", is a purely
relative, and subjective enterprise. Any "research" in this area, (I think)
is generally self-manifesting/affecting, and philisophical in nature. Not
to say it isn't without purpose.. ..'normal' emotional reality/outlook (in
my veiw), is measured against the background of the general public concensus
as such, of a given culture, (or other social context).
Regardless, depression very typically causes it's victims to have a much
more negative experience of life in general.
The majority of suicides are mainly the result of depression.. ..what does
that tell you?
Depressed people *can* be prone to experiencing symptoms similar to
schizophrenia. Feelings of grandeur, extreme paranoia, and mild
hallucinations have all been attributed to the depressive/grieving
experience.
Ty
"Kitty Chan" <kittychan953@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Does depressed people tend to have a wrong perception of reality?
I know that happens to people with schizophrenia. But I just wonder if
depressed people have the same clinical conditions as well. If yes, is
it scientifically proved to be true?
I have a friend who has been accused by her colleagues of exggerating
negativity at work based on her clinical condition of depression. What
common people tend to think is that depressed people, as well as other
psychological ill patients, have a distorted perception of reality.
This notion has been refuted by Atkinson and Atkinson (1993). They
suggested that normal people tend to have a more positive perception of
reality than what it should be. I want to know if there are any more
update research to support this notion?
Thanks
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