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"No One" |
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06 Oct 2004 11:29:12 PM |
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Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman is constantly talking about her
exploits with her boyfriends. What they say about her, what they do
together, how many breakups she's had, etc. She also wears very revealing
outfits everyday... tits out, ***** out, I think there should be a law
requiring women to not show certain things.
Anyway, her and I talk periodically about her "relationships" and over the
past two months it's been this married man she's seeing and banging. They've
known eachother for a long time, he's got two kids, he's not even separated
yet, all the typical stuff. Yet she wants a "husband" and "children"
someday.
Anyway we get talking more via email, I ask her about her relationship and
how's it going. She responds, and asks me how old I am. She's 34 and always
complaining she's getting old, needs to have kids now, etc. So I tell her
i'm 27. Then I figure hey maybe she's interested, so I ask her if she always
dates older guys or younger guys. She responds, then I ask her if she "likes
accountants," jokingly, because I'm an accounting major and hey she's cute
and a little flirting is all good.
She responds, amazingly, out of the blue, with "i know where this is going
and I don't think it's appropriate for work it puts me in a situation I
don't want to be in." I start laughing at the email. Whatever... I wrote
back, "I did not mean it in that way, relax." And that was that.
Men and women definitely perceive things differently. Women also have the
"power" to determine if what you say is "right" (she's attracted to you) or
"wrong" (she's not). I think it's time for some true "equal rights" to kick
in. Thank God I am leaving the job shortly and graduating. I can't put up
with such a low class, low paying, temporary environment any longer. I need
to control my own destiny and I'm starting to think it's better to keep
conversations to myself and not try and get to know anyone. Whenever you try
to get to know a woman it's like you're always overstepping your bounds (if
you're not an attractive person). A woman can get away with so damn much.
***** that *****.
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| User: "ci+" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
08 Oct 2004 02:55:06 AM |
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"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> in news:Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net:
I am leaving the job shortly and graduating. I
then if you soon 'start something' there'll be no 'workplace conflict' to
worry about.
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
07 Oct 2004 01:08:03 AM |
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"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net...
I need
to control my own destiny and I'm starting to think it's better to keep
conversations to myself and not try and get to know anyone.
You need to learn what is appropriate for what situation and what is not.
That's the best way to control your own destiny.
You could learn a lot of that from those liberal arts classes you think
unnecessary.
Take a management class, learn about interacting with people, learn about
style flexing, learn abut how to interact with different cultural, social,
familial and gender backgrounds. You know, all those things that you were
loathing as un-necessary few weeks ago. Then learn how to apply them IRL.
Most of your trouble seems to come from a gaping lack of social skills.
If you're tired of people 'getting away with things' and that aggravates you
so much, the best advice I can give you for that is to look into moving to
another planet, cause on this one, it's normal. Grow a little thicker skin,
but don't get calloused.
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| User: "ci+" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
08 Oct 2004 02:56:00 AM |
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"DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> in
news:6359d.263$a85.191@fed1read04:
You could learn a lot of that from those liberal arts classes you
think unnecessary.
which liberal art classes?
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
08 Oct 2004 02:16:19 PM |
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"ci+" <ci@ciNukeSpam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns957C8F229F76ci@64.85.239.19...
"DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> in
news:6359d.263$a85.191@fed1read04:
You could learn a lot of that from those liberal arts classes you
think unnecessary.
which liberal art classes?
he had a list of them about a month ago that he thought were junk. I don't
recall of top of my head, but there was a sizeable discussion about it.
Arts, humanities, history, just about anything that has to do with people,
culture and society.
The only classes he thought were worth his while were math and accounting
related.
Anyway, you can google the discussion if you're interested.
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| User: "Steenkin Man" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
07 Oct 2004 04:56:35 AM |
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:08:03 -0700, "DaKitty"
<Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net...
I need
to control my own destiny and I'm starting to think it's better to keep
conversations to myself and not try and get to know anyone.
You need to learn what is appropriate for what situation and what is not.
That's the best way to control your own destiny.
You could learn a lot of that from those liberal arts classes you think
unnecessary.
Take a management class, learn about interacting with people, learn about
style flexing, learn abut how to interact with different cultural, social,
familial and gender backgrounds. You know, all those things that you were
loathing as un-necessary few weeks ago. Then learn how to apply them IRL.
Most of your trouble seems to come from a gaping lack of social skills.
Ignore this DaKitty *****.
You don't need classes on how to deal with people, just remember the
old saying: never ***** on your own doorstep.
Never come on to a female colleague or neighbour. Don't even become
friendly with them.
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num tibi mentireris?
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| User: "DaKitty" |
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07 Oct 2004 05:00:25 PM |
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"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2ski6mF1kl8b2U2@uni-berlin.de...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:08:03 -0700, "DaKitty"
<Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net...
I need
to control my own destiny and I'm starting to think it's better to keep
conversations to myself and not try and get to know anyone.
You need to learn what is appropriate for what situation and what is not.
That's the best way to control your own destiny.
You could learn a lot of that from those liberal arts classes you think
unnecessary.
Take a management class, learn about interacting with people, learn about
style flexing, learn abut how to interact with different cultural,
social,
familial and gender backgrounds. You know, all those things that you were
loathing as un-necessary few weeks ago. Then learn how to apply them IRL.
Most of your trouble seems to come from a gaping lack of social skills.
Ignore this DaKitty *****.
You don't need classes on how to deal with people, just remember the
old saying: never ***** on your own doorstep.
Never come on to a female colleague or neighbour. Don't even become
friendly with them.
he's incapable of being friendly with females, according to his own posts.
You're right, he should listen to you, his faith will be sealed right where
he is now.
Lemme guess, you come form soc.men.
I hear that that group is full of frustrated woman haters.
How sad.
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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10 Oct 2004 12:13:11 PM |
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In alt.support.depression Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:08:03 -0700, "DaKitty"
<Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
Take a management class, learn about interacting with people, learn about
Classes? Those who can do, those who can't teach. There are exceptions
But I agree with you about that the OP needs to acquire new ummm skills
for want of a better word.
You don't need classes on how to deal with people, just remember the
old saying: never ***** on your own doorstep.
Never come on to a female colleague
Yup don't. Not while in a work relation.
or neighbour.
?
Don't even become friendly with them.
Meaning, no extensive twosome conversations.
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| User: "% surfs@uniserve" |
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10 Oct 2004 12:16:44 PM |
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"Contrarian" <adrba@tcyn.net> wrote in message
news:H4ead.4171$Ae.1587@newsread1.dllstx09.us.to.verio.net...
In alt.support.depression Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:08:03 -0700, "DaKitty"
<Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
Take a management class, learn about interacting with people, learn
about
Classes? Those who can do, those who can't teach. There are exceptions
But I agree with you about that the OP needs to acquire new ummm skills
for want of a better word.
You don't need classes on how to deal with people, just remember the
old saying: never ***** on your own doorstep.
Never come on to a female colleague
Yup don't. Not while in a work relation.
or neighbour.
?
Don't even become friendly with them.
Meaning, no extensive twosome conversations.
hit on women anywhere and anytime you can ,
you just never know if you don't ask ,
and then you end up sitting there wondering
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| User: "Steenkin Man" |
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11 Oct 2004 01:48:25 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:13:11 GMT, Contrarian <adrba@tcyn.net> wrote:
In alt.support.depression Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:08:03 -0700, "DaKitty"
<Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
Take a management class, learn about interacting with people, learn about
Classes? Those who can do, those who can't teach. There are exceptions
But I agree with you about that the OP needs to acquire new ummm skills
for want of a better word.
You don't need classes on how to deal with people, just remember the
old saying: never ***** on your own doorstep.
Never come on to a female colleague
Yup don't. Not while in a work relation.
or neighbour.
?
Don't even become friendly with them.
Meaning, no extensive twosome conversations.
Look at it this way: you're going to dump them sometime and it's going
to be easier if you don't need to see them every day.
It's not difficult to concentrate on girls who live a few miles away.
You get more choices and they don't lean on your doorbell when you've
got another one on the couch.
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num tibi mentireris?
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| User: "Society" |
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07 Oct 2004 06:17:26 AM |
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"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net...
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman
is constantly talking about her exploits with her
boyfriends. What they say about her, what they do
together, how many breakups she's had, etc.
She also wears very revealing outfits everyday...
tits out, ***** out, I think there should be a law
requiring women to not show certain things. [...]
There already is such a law. What she's doing
is sexual harassment.
Anyway, her and I talk periodically about her
"relationships" and over the past two months
it's been this married man she's seeing and
banging. They've known each other for a
long time, he's got two kids, he's not even
separated yet, all the typical stuff. Yet she
wants a "husband" and "children" someday.
She's Exhibit One of Dr. Laura Schlessinger's
book _Ten Stupid Things Women Do To Mess
Up Their Lives_.
By the way, why do you let her pester you
with tales of her sex life in your workplace?
Tell her that if she hasn't anything to tell you
that is work-related, you'll just be on your
way back to your work station. Then go.
Anyway we get talking more via email,
Free advice: Always assume that any email
sent to or from a company account or anything
you do on any company computer can be
and is being monitored by someone who
can make printouts and fire your *ss if you
can't explain the legit business purpose for
your use of that company property.
I ask her about her relationship and how's it
going. She responds, and asks me how old I am.
She's 34 and always complaining she's getting old,
needs to have kids now, etc. So I tell her
i'm 27. Then I figure hey maybe she's interested,
so I ask her if she always dates older guys or
younger guys. She responds, then I ask her
if she "likes accountants," jokingly, because
I'm an accounting major and hey she's cute
and a little flirting is all good.
She responds, amazingly, out of the blue, with
"i know where this is going and I don't think it's
appropriate for work it puts me in a situation I
don't want to be in."
She's playing a head game on you by saying that.
You've probably already figured out that by
saying that to you, she can now tell the personnel
person (who 98% of the time is another woman)
she warned you if she wants to get you busted
out of the company before she goes all the way
with you. What you may not realize is that her
game has an entirely extra element to it -- she's
testing you to see if you'll persist in coming on
to her despite the risk to your job.
Who is the predator: the fish that hits on the bait,
or the fisherman who dangles the bait? The duck
that flies into a cove with other ducks, or the hunter
who set out the decoys to make the cove appear friendly
to ducks? The man who hits on a woman, or the woman
who works to make herself appear as sexually appealing
to men as possible?
Rod van Mechelen, Things that make you go, "hmmm"
http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1996/7-jul96/hmmm07.html
I start laughing at the email. Whatever... I wrote
back, "I did not mean it in that way, relax."
And that was that.
Men and women definitely perceive things differently.
Women also have the "power" to determine if what
you say is "right" (she's attracted to you) or "wrong"
(she's not). I think it's time for some true "equal rights"
to kick in. Thank God I am leaving the job shortly
and graduating. I can't put up with such a low class,
low paying, temporary environment any longer.
I need to control my own destiny and I'm starting
to think it's better to keep conversations to myself
and not try and get to know anyone. Whenever you
try to get to know a woman it's like you're always
overstepping your bounds (if you're not an attractive
person). A woman can get away with so damn much.
***** that *****.
Yup. If only such women were killing just their own
happiness and well-being. Then everyone could see
that poetic justice was being done. However, what
happens is that both sexes suffer so the women who
perpetrate the killing are disguised by the crowd
they blend into. Some of those women have the
chutzpah to even cry out that THEY are the 'victim'
of the social order they themselves fashioned.
Sheesh.
Germaine Greer, at each stage of her so-called adult life
spews out a diatribe about how her current problem
is caused by those awful men. She used to gripe about
the oppressive sexual attentions of men, while taking
advantage of said oppression to sleep with Warren Beatty,
among countless others. Now that youth has long departed,
and rich actors want to be "just friends," she's seen the light
and decided that the REAL crime is that aging women are
sexually invisible. [...] All I can say to Ms. Greer is,
"Welcome to the club!"
Book Review by Wilbur Wormwood of _The Change:
Women, Aging and the Menopause_, by Germaine Greer
published in _The Backlash!_ magazine, July 1996
http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1996/7-jul96/book07.html
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| User: "Orestes" |
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07 Oct 2004 05:15:16 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message news:<10ma9kmdh16u8c0@corp.supernews.com>...
"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net...
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman
is constantly talking about her exploits with her
boyfriends. What they say about her, what they do
together, how many breakups she's had, etc.
She also wears very revealing outfits everyday...
tits out, ***** out, I think there should be a law
requiring women to not show certain things. [...]
There already is such a law. What she's doing
is sexual harassment.
I thought that law only applied to men who hit on women at work.
<snip>
Who is the predator: the fish that hits on the bait,
or the fisherman who dangles the bait? The duck
that flies into a cove with other ducks, or the hunter
who set out the decoys to make the cove appear friendly
to ducks? The man who hits on a woman, or the woman
who works to make herself appear as sexually appealing
to men as possible?
Rod van Mechelen, Things that make you go, "hmmm"
http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1996/7-jul96/hmmm07.html
The man of course. In our society, women aren't rational adults and
can't be held to rational adult standards of behaviour. Like small
children, women are morally blameless.
<snip>
<snip>
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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07 Oct 2004 05:38:56 PM |
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On 7 Oct 2004 15:15:16 -0700, (Orestes) wrote:
"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message news:<10ma9kmdh16u8c0@corp.supernews.com>...
"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net...
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman
is constantly talking about her exploits with her
boyfriends. What they say about her, what they do
together, how many breakups she's had, etc.
She also wears very revealing outfits everyday...
tits out, ***** out, I think there should be a law
requiring women to not show certain things. [...]
There already is such a law. What she's doing
is sexual harassment.
I thought that law only applied to men who hit on women at work.
The number of sexual harassment claims filed by men is increasing at a
staggering rate. Lawyers are equal opportunity scoundrels.
--
IMPIETY, n. Your irreverence toward my deity.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Dennis B" |
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10 Oct 2004 01:31:44 AM |
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"No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message news:<Sb2dnaMUCa7ZW_ncUSdV9g@ptd.net>...
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman is constantly talking about her
exploits with her boyfriends. What they say about her, what they do
together, how many breakups she's had, etc. She also wears very revealing
outfits everyday... tits out, ***** out, I think there should be a law
requiring women to not show certain things.
Anyway, her and I talk periodically about her "relationships" and over the
past two months it's been this married man she's seeing and banging. They've
known eachother for a long time, he's got two kids, he's not even separated
yet, all the typical stuff. Yet she wants a "husband" and "children"
someday.
Anyway we get talking more via email, I ask her about her relationship and
how's it going. She responds, and asks me how old I am. She's 34 and always
complaining she's getting old, needs to have kids now, etc. So I tell her
i'm 27. Then I figure hey maybe she's interested, so I ask her if she always
dates older guys or younger guys. She responds, then I ask her if she "likes
accountants," jokingly, because I'm an accounting major and hey she's cute
and a little flirting is all good.
She responds, amazingly, out of the blue, with "i know where this is going
and I don't think it's appropriate for work it puts me in a situation I
don't want to be in." I start laughing at the email. Whatever... I wrote
back, "I did not mean it in that way, relax." And that was that.
Men and women definitely perceive things differently. Women also have the
"power" to determine if what you say is "right" (she's attracted to you) or
"wrong" (she's not). I think it's time for some true "equal rights" to kick
in. Thank God I am leaving the job shortly and graduating. I can't put up
with such a low class, low paying, temporary environment any longer. I need
to control my own destiny and I'm starting to think it's better to keep
conversations to myself and not try and get to know anyone. Whenever you try
to get to know a woman it's like you're always overstepping your bounds (if
you're not an attractive person). A woman can get away with so damn much.
***** that *****.
No One, I think you hit upon a particular type of person known as the
DRAMA QUEEN. This is someone who lives for the thrill of getting
people's attention (they come in the male variety too).
The clothes, the talk, then the "anger" are all of the same package.
She just wants action - she lives for attention (negative or positive)
and thrills, and creates drama with whomever she is around. The
problem for you, my friend, is that as a single guy, all you had to
offer was a boring, mundane relationship. YAWN!!!!! The only drama she
could muster out of you was TELLING you inappropriate stuff and
wearing those clothes.
Litmus test: I bet she has "arguments" and "differences" with
virtually the women in the office, who don't "respect" her for how she
dresses, right?
You wanna get her attention? Let it lay for a few months and tell her
you're engaged and madly in love. Then she'll want you! She can be
the other woman!! Run lives!!! Drama! Action! Racing hearts! WOW!!!
PS - As I said above, this personality ain't limited to women. The
"guy" version of the drama queen is alwasy in trouble with the law,
borrowing money, or provoking people and wondering why they could
possibly be mad. OR he will go into fields where there is a lot of
action, like law enforcement.
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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10 Oct 2004 12:18:22 PM |
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In alt.support.depression No One <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman is constantly talking about her
exploits with her boyfriends.
she's hurting herself more than you
Anyway, her and I talk periodically about her "relationships" and over the
past two months
you don't want to know these things, believe me. never get into
that kind of confindant relationship. maybe not with other guys
I started this followup to say that you are right to some extent
about the double standard, but you are yourself pretty far out of
line
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| User: "Hardpan" |
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09 Oct 2004 03:28:07 PM |
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:29:12 -0400, "No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman is constantly talking about her
exploits with her boyfriends. What they say about her, what they do
together, how many breakups she's had, etc. She also wears very revealing
outfits everyday... tits out, ***** out, I think there should be a law
requiring women to not show certain things.
Anyway, her and I talk periodically about her "relationships" and over the
past two months it's been this married man she's seeing and banging. They've
known eachother for a long time, he's got two kids, he's not even separated
yet, all the typical stuff. Yet she wants a "husband" and "children"
someday.
Anyway we get talking more via email, I ask her about her relationship and
how's it going. She responds, and asks me how old I am. She's 34 and always
complaining she's getting old, needs to have kids now, etc. So I tell her
i'm 27. Then I figure hey maybe she's interested, so I ask her if she always
dates older guys or younger guys. She responds, then I ask her if she "likes
accountants," jokingly, because I'm an accounting major and hey she's cute
and a little flirting is all good.
She responds, amazingly, out of the blue, with "i know where this is going
and I don't think it's appropriate for work it puts me in a situation I
don't want to be in." I start laughing at the email. Whatever... I wrote
back, "I did not mean it in that way, relax." And that was that.
Men and women definitely perceive things differently. Women also have the
"power" to determine if what you say is "right" (she's attracted to you) or
"wrong" (she's not). I think it's time for some true "equal rights" to kick
in. Thank God I am leaving the job shortly and graduating. I can't put up
with such a low class, low paying, temporary environment any longer. I need
to control my own destiny and I'm starting to think it's better to keep
conversations to myself and not try and get to know anyone. Whenever you try
to get to know a woman it's like you're always overstepping your bounds (if
you're not an attractive person). A woman can get away with so damn much.
***** that *****.
Stay away from this women as much as possible unless you like courts
and the police.
Shes trouble waiting to happen for sure.
Run, dont walk !!!
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07 Oct 2004 05:44:49 AM |
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:29:12 -0400, "No One" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
To start off with...... Here yo go again. As I start reading this I
can tell exactly where it is going.
My Team Lead, a clueless, 34 year old woman is constantly talking about her
exploits with her boyfriends. What they say about her, what they do
together, how many breakups she's had, etc. She also wears very revealing
outfits everyday... tits out, ***** out, I think there should be a law
requiring women to not show certain things.
Immediatly you start out by belitteling your advasary. You have
alreadt in the first 10 words made this person less of a person than
you. That tells me where you are heading in the FIRST SENTANCE pal!
Yes. At the place I work (a call center basically) on days when
customers or potential customers are visiting MEN have to wear a shirt
and tie, preferrable a coat (sports jacket) too. Yet women can
continue to come in wearing what they wear any other day that is
normally "Business Casual". That to me is a blatant discrimination
against men. but what are you going to do??
Alsi, I agree. If a woman wears a blouse that reveals her body down to
the area between her tits.... then she had damned well better not
complain when ANY man looks/stares. They KNOW it's going to happen so
accept it and accept that ANY man might stare/look.... not just the
tall, handsome ones! And Yes... Certain "Looks" are NOT approprate at
work period!
Anyway, her and I talk periodically about her "relationships" and over the
past two months it's been this married man she's seeing and banging. They've
known eachother for a long time, he's got two kids, he's not even separated
yet, all the typical stuff. Yet she wants a "husband" and "children"
someday.
Anyway we get talking more via email, I ask her about her relationship and
how's it going. She responds, and asks me how old I am. She's 34 and always
complaining she's getting old, needs to have kids now, etc. So I tell her
i'm 27. Then I figure hey maybe she's interested, so I ask her if she always
dates older guys or younger guys. She responds, then I ask her if she "likes
accountants," jokingly, because I'm an accounting major and hey she's cute
and a little flirting is all good.
I gotta ask here.... Are you at work or are you in some sort of cyber
chat room? I begin to see some of yoour problem. YOu need to learn the
"Time and Place rule". Quite simply, there is a time and a place for
everything. When you are at work it is NOT the time and place to be
hitting on women. And most definatly NOT on your supervisor. Your
probing questions were not only inapproprate but they were unwise at
very least.
She responds, amazingly, out of the blue, with "i know where this is going
and I don't think it's appropriate for work it puts me in a situation I
don't want to be in." I start laughing at the email. Whatever... I wrote
back, "I did not mean it in that way, relax." And that was that.
See, I was right. You were out of line in asking personal questions.
And it got your fingers burned. Now I bet you are going to go and get
all indignant aren't you?
Men and women definitely perceive things differently. Women also have the
"power" to determine if what you say is "right" (she's attracted to you) or
"wrong" (she's not). I think it's time for some true "equal rights" to kick
in. Thank God I am leaving the job shortly and graduating. I can't put up
with such a low class, low paying, temporary environment any longer. I need
to control my own destiny and I'm starting to think it's better to keep
conversations to myself and not try and get to know anyone. Whenever you try
to get to know a woman it's like you're always overstepping your bounds (if
you're not an attractive person). A woman can get away with so damn much.
***** that *****.
Yep. Easy to read as a map boy.
First thing you need to do is gain some self control. I think one of
the things that makes me loose respect for a man more than anything
else is his inability to control his hormonal urges. Refer please to
the paragraph above about the "Time and Place" rule. YOu were out of
line and she rightly called you on it! If you get pissed at anybody,
you need to be getting pissed at yourself.
Low class, Low paying has nothing to do with it. You need to realize
that YOU are creating these situations and start getting some self
control. You are right in part when you say you need to keep these
conversations to yourself. Better yet, do NOT start them at work man.
You KNOW what it's going to get you as well as that woman who wears
the cleavage revealing blouse! So QUIT DOING IT!!
And No. A woman cannot get away with so much. Women are LET GET AWAY
with so much! I guarentee you, had that woman come into your cubicle
and dropped trou for you and offered to screw you silly on the copier
while it made copies to be passed around to your co-workers you would
have blindle dived in and to hell with the consequences! And THAT is
where the bounds are being overstepped today!
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| User: "Mesecke" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
07 Oct 2004 09:26:20 PM |
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There is a double standard. Perhaps with time that will change.
The print shop I used to work in would sometimes hire summer
help. Regularly there was only one woman on the production
floor. One summer a young girl was hired. One day she came to
work wearing a low cut shirt and very short shorts. I'll be the
first to say it was not appropriate work attire and the shop
supervisor made sure to tell her. Once the summer helper
was gone the one regular female in the shop loudly asked
all the men in the shop, "Do you all have hard-on's now?"
Probably said out of jealousy.
All the men took up this incident with the department
head (who was male) and complained that what she
said was inappropriate. We were told that as men, we
had to allow some things that women do to go by.
I told the department head that a man would have been
thrown out the door if he were to ask a woman if she
were sexually aroused.
Wrong is suppposed to be wrong.
Myron
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
08 Oct 2004 06:12:47 AM |
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:26:20 -0500, Mesecke <meseckem@vvm.com> wrote:
The print shop I used to work in would sometimes hire summer
help. Regularly there was only one woman on the production
floor. One summer a young girl was hired. One day she came to
work wearing a low cut shirt and very short shorts. I'll be the
first to say it was not appropriate work attire and the shop
supervisor made sure to tell her. Once the summer helper
was gone the one regular female in the shop loudly asked
all the men in the shop, "Do you all have hard-on's now?"
Probably said out of jealousy.
All the men took up this incident with the department
head (who was male) and complained that what she
said was inappropriate. We were told that as men, we
had to allow some things that women do to go by.
I told the department head that a man would have been
thrown out the door if he were to ask a woman if she
were sexually aroused.
Wrong is suppposed to be wrong.
Yes, and men are supposed to have testicles. Rest assured that as fewer
and fewer men are burdened with them, they will file just as many lawsuits.
It reminds me of another thing that, technically, is a double standard.
That is that a woman can slap a man in anger and get away with it, but if
he hits her back he is evil.
Yes, it's a double standard. But any man with a backbone doesn't mind it.
It used to be considered a defining characteristic of the gender. But
again, as you and other males become more and more girlish things will
change.
If you work hard at it, you may even find one day that you scream
hysterically when you see a spider and run to find an old style male to
kill it for you.
--
The direct use of force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited
resources and diverse ends that it is rarely employed save by small
children and great nations.
- David D. Friedman, Law's Order.
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| User: "BGumm" |
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| Title: Re: Doublestandard Against Men in Workplace. |
07 Oct 2004 09:36:07 PM |
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You are right Myron---what is good for one is good for the other.
I as a woman would've been appalled had she exclaimed that while I was there.
Very inappropriate and if it made anyone--man or woman there feel uncomfortable
it would be claim for sexual harassment.
She should've been reprimanded.
Becky
"I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild;
when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and
moody. And in all its moods, I see myself."
-Martin Buxbaum
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