Sociology > Depression > Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today"
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Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX FRI JUNE 24, 2005 10:51:08 ET XXXXX
CRUISE 'WAR OF WORLDS' INTERVIEW TURNS INTO SHOWDOWN ON PSYCHIATRY,
SCIENTOLOGY
NBC 'TODAY SHOW' host Matt Lauer was lectured by star Tom Cruise on the
dangers of psychiatry and antidepressant during a promotional interview
for WAR OF THE WORLDS.
The exchange aired Friday morning.
LAUER: TOM CRUISE CREATED A FIRESTORM WHEN HE CRITICIZED BROOKE SHIELDS
FOR REVEALING THAT SHE WENT INTO THERAPY AND TOOK ANTIDEPRESSANTS TO
DEAL WITH HER POST PARTUM DEPRESSION. AS A SCIENTOLGIST, HE DOESN'T
BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE. I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS COMMENTS.
CRUISE: i've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a
Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. and when i started
studying the history of psychiatry, i understood more and more why i
didn't believe in psychology.
//And as far as the Brooke Shields thing is, look. You gotta
understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I-- I think here's a--
a-- a wonderful and talented woman. And-- I wanna see her do well. And
I know that-- psychiatry is-- is a pseudo science.
MATT LAUER: But-- but Tom, if she said that this particular thing
helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressant or going to a
counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough? //
TOM CRUISE: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today where
I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking
people (PH), okay, against their will, of drugging children with them
not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol (PH)
is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug?
Do you understand that?
MATT LAUER:
The difference is--
(OVERTALK)
TOM CRUISE:
No, no, Matt.
MATT LAUER:
This wasn't against her will, though.
TOM CRUISE:
Matt-- Matt, Matt, Matt--
MATT LAUER:
But this wasn't against her will.
TOM CRUISE:
Matt, I'm-- Matt, I'm asking you a question.
MATT LAUER:
I understand there's abuse of all of these things.
TOM CRUISE:
No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of
psychiatry. I do.//
MATT LAUER:
//aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of
someone who benefited from one of those drugs? TOM CRUISE:
all it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the
history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it
does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a
chemical imbalance.
(OVERTALK)
MATT LAUER:
So, postpartum depression to you is--
TOM CRUISE:
Matt--
MATT LAUER:
--kind of a--
TOM CRUISE:
--don't--
MATT LAUER:
--little psychological gook--
TOM CRUISE:
That--
MATT LAUER:
--googley-gook?
TOM CRUISE:
--no. No. I did not say that.
MATT LAUER:
I'm just asking what you-- what would you call it?
TOM CRUISE:
No. No. Abs-- Matt, that is-- the-- post-- now-- now, you're talking
about two different things.
MATT LAUER:
But that's what she went on the--
TOM CRUISE:
No. MATT LAUER:
--antidepressant for.
TOM CRUISE: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask
the problem. There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various
things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm
saying. That's an alteration of what-- what I'm saying. I'm saying that
drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're
mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it
without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. // the thing
that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And
she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She-- she doesn't
understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
// MATT LAUER: But a little bit what you're saying Tom is, you say you
want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road
that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.
TOM CRUISE: No, no, I'm not.
MATT LAUER: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't
that okay?
TOM CRUISE: I-- I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher
and better quality of life. And I think that promoting for me
personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna
discuss?
MATT LAUER: No. You absolutely can.
TOM CRUISE: I know. But-- but Matt, you're going in and saying that--
that I can't discuss this.
MATT LAUER: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that-- do-- do
you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people?
That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in
certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric
shock--
TOM CRUISE: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.
MATT LAUER: I'm just saying. But-- but aren't there--
TOM CRUISE: Matt.
MATT LAUER: --examples where it works?
TOM CRUISE: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even-- you're glib. You don't
even know what Ritalin is.// //if you start talking about chemical
imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how
they came up with these theories, Matt, okay. That's what I've done.
Then you go and you say where's-- where's the medical test? Where's the
blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
MATT LAUER: You're-- you're-- it's very impressive to listen to you.
Because clearly, you've done the homework. And-- and you know the
subject.
TOM CRUISE: And you should.
MATT LAUER: And-- and--
TOM CRUISE: And you should do that also.
MATT LAUER: And--
TOM CRUISE: Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't
enough. //you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing
really--
MATT LAUER: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking--
TOM CRUISE: Well--
MATT LAUER: --anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying--
(OVERTALK)
TOM CRUISE: Well, you are. You're saying--
MATT LAUER: I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.
TOM CRUISE: I-- but you're saying-- but you-- like-- this is a very
important issue.
MATT LAUER: I couldn't agree more.
TOM CRUISE: It's very-- and you know what? You're here on the Today
Show.
MATT LAUER: Right.
TOM CRUISE: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it
okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I
think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what
it is.
MATT LAUER: But--
TOM CRUISE: Because you-- you communicate to people.
MATT LAUER: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the
people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.
TOM CRUISE: What do you mean by that?
MATT LAUER: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't
worked for people I know. // i'm telling you i've lived with these
people and they're better.
TOM CRUISE: So, you're-- you're advocating it.
MATT LAUER: I am not. I'm telling you in their case-- (LAUGHTER)
(OVERTALK)
MATT LAUER: In their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out
and say--
TOM CRUISE: Matt--
MATT LAUER: --"Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all--
TOM CRUISE: Matt, Matt.
MATT LAUER: --and the end-all."
TOM CRUISE: Matt, but here's the point. what is the ideal scene for
life
TOM CRUISE: Okay. Ideal scene is someone not having to take
anti-psychotic drugs.
MATT LAUER: I would agree.
TOM CRUISE: Okay. So, now you look at-- and you go okay. A-- a
departure from that ideal scene is someone taking drugs, okay. And then
you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that
justifies that?
MATT LAUER: Let me take this more general, 'cause I think you and I can
go around in circles on this for awhile. And i respect your opinion ...
MATT LAUER: Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is
that-- would that be a goal of yours?
TOM CRUISE: You know what? I-- absolutely. Of course, you know. And
people--
MATT LAUER: How do you go about that?
TOM CRUISE: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is,
like you and I talk about it, whether it's-- okay, if I wanna know
something, I go and find out. /Because I don't talk about things that I
don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that.
I'll go find more information about it so I can-- I can come to an
opinion based on-- on the information that I have.
MATT LAUER: You-- you're so passionate about it. And I'm--
TOM CRUISE: I'm passionate about learning. I'm passionate about life,
Matt.
END
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3tc.htm
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
25 Jun 2005 03:54:12 AM |
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Damn. Tom Cruise has lost his fucking mind. Just look at those
speech patterns! Where can I find a streaming video? I'll bet he's
twitching and his pupils are dilated.
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I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
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| User: "Youll Never Know" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
29 Jun 2005 10:42:30 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:54:12 GMT, notchimera<dont@bother.com> wrote:
Damn. Tom Cruise has lost his fucking mind. Just look at those
speech patterns! Where can I find a streaming video? I'll bet he's
twitching and his pupils are dilated.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/
reminds me of a lot of people actually
maybe wossname is right and we have been invaded by interstellar
lizards
we're just caught in a battle between them and the clams
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| User: "inept fool" |
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25 Jun 2005 03:57:21 PM |
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notchimera wrote:
Damn. Tom Cruise has lost his fucking mind. Just look at those
speech patterns! Where can I find a streaming video? I'll bet he's
twitching and his pupils are dilated.
I hope he finds his way, what he needs.
I hope he finds some peace.
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I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
- %
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
26 Jun 2005 06:04:24 AM |
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In alt.support.depression Bobblehead Schwarz <bobblehead_schwarz@myway.com> wrote:
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX FRI JUNE 24, 2005 10:51:08 ET XXXXX
CRUISE 'WAR OF WORLDS' INTERVIEW TURNS INTO SHOWDOWN ON PSYCHIATRY,
SCIENTOLOGY
LAUER: TOM CRUISE CREATED A FIRESTORM WHEN HE CRITICIZED BROOKE SHIELDS
FOR REVEALING THAT SHE WENT INTO THERAPY AND TOOK ANTIDEPRESSANTS TO
DEAL WITH HER POST PARTUM DEPRESSION. AS A SCIENTOLGIST, HE DOESN'T
BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE. I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS COMMENTS.
Co$ opposes eyeglasses, wheelchairs, pacemakers, etc. also,
any prosthetics. Correct me if I'm wrong.
This isn't the garden variety layperson with doubts
about the efficacy/necessity of a given psych Rx in a
particular situation.
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| User: "millipede man" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdownwith Matt Lauer on "Today" |
26 Jun 2005 08:23:58 AM |
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Contrarian wrote:
In alt.support.depression Bobblehead Schwarz <bobblehead_schwarz@myway.com> wrote:
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX FRI JUNE 24, 2005 10:51:08 ET XXXXX
CRUISE 'WAR OF WORLDS' INTERVIEW TURNS INTO SHOWDOWN ON PSYCHIATRY,
SCIENTOLOGY
LAUER: TOM CRUISE CREATED A FIRESTORM WHEN HE CRITICIZED BROOKE SHIELDS
FOR REVEALING THAT SHE WENT INTO THERAPY AND TOOK ANTIDEPRESSANTS TO
DEAL WITH HER POST PARTUM DEPRESSION. AS A SCIENTOLGIST, HE DOESN'T
BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE. I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS COMMENTS.
Co$ opposes eyeglasses, wheelchairs, pacemakers, etc. also,
any prosthetics. Correct me if I'm wrong.
This isn't the garden variety layperson with doubts
about the efficacy/necessity of a given psych Rx in a
particular situation.
The "church" (cult) of "scientology" is a threat not only to people's
spiritual health, but to their physical and mental health as well!
Here is an idea: let's send the "scientologists" to Iraq, and have them
convert the Iraqi resistance fighters to "scientology". I'm sure that
would be a much more effective strategy than using military force!
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- millipede man, with millie, mollie, and the mites
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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26 Jun 2005 02:21:44 PM |
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"millipede man" <huaMMMngm@eartMMMhlinMMMk.MMMnet> wrote in message
news:O%xve.9664$hK3.205@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Contrarian wrote:
In alt.support.depression Bobblehead Schwarz
<bobblehead_schwarz@myway.com> wrote:
Co$ opposes eyeglasses, wheelchairs, pacemakers, etc. also,
any prosthetics. Correct me if I'm wrong.
This isn't the garden variety layperson with doubts
about the efficacy/necessity of a given psych Rx in a
particular situation.
The "church" (cult) of "scientology" is a threat not only to people's
spiritual health, but to their physical and mental health as well!
I'll say. I respect everyone's right to believe in what they want, but I
sense something really wrong about Scientology. Have a look at the
following...
A Church's Lethal Contract
By Dr. David S. Touretzky and Peter Alexander
http://razormagazine.com/feature1203a.php
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rhianon@sympatico.ca
"All those who believe in psychokinesis
raise my hand."
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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26 Jun 2005 01:53:19 PM |
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On 2005-06-26, Contrarian wrote:
This isn't the garden variety layperson with doubts
about the efficacy/necessity of a given psych Rx in a
particular situation.
He's John Travolta's replacement as most prominent celebrity proclaimer.
In one interview, he says "dyslexia", yet describes attention-deficit.
Doing something like that repulses the informed while it sounds completely
plausible and honest to the uninformed. He's a propaganda poster boy
repeating lines he's been given.
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.unitedforpeace.org/>
By the mind the world is led, by the mind the world is drawn.
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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26 Jun 2005 05:24:04 PM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
On 2005-06-26, Contrarian wrote:
This isn't the garden variety layperson with doubts
about the efficacy/necessity of a given psych Rx in a
particular situation.
He's John Travolta's replacement as most prominent celebrity proclaimer.
In one interview, he says "dyslexia", yet describes attention-deficit.
Doing something like that repulses the informed while it sounds completely
plausible and honest to the uninformed. He's a propaganda poster boy
repeating lines he's been given.
Facility in rote memorization of scripted material is a highly desired
trait in both acting and Scientology, it seems.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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26 Jun 2005 06:01:14 PM |
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On 2005-06-26, Noon Cat Nick wrote:
Bev Thornton wrote:
On 2005-06-26, Contrarian wrote:
This isn't the garden variety layperson with doubts about the
efficacy/necessity of a given psych Rx in a particular situation.
He's John Travolta's replacement as most prominent celebrity proclaimer.
In one interview, he says "dyslexia", yet describes attention-deficit.
Doing something like that repulses the informed while it sounds completely
plausible and honest to the uninformed. He's a propaganda poster boy
repeating lines he's been given.
Facility in rote memorization of scripted material is a highly desired
trait in both acting and Scientology, it seems.
They use a half-***** polygraph to reinforce ad lib parroting of the party
lines.
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.wagingpeace.org/>
Non-attachment is the best of all states.
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| User: "" |
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26 Jun 2005 06:41:13 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Give your head a shake. Modern psychiatry, which is pseudo science and
best, and a regular violation of the "do no harm" axiom of physicians
at worst, publishes a book every year on what the official party line
is.
They create disorders and diseases, they modify disorders and diseases,
they redefine what the nature of a disorder or disease may be. It is
all !@#$@# *****.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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26 Jun 2005 06:55:03 PM |
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On 2005-06-26, wrote:
Give your head a shake. Modern psychiatry, which is pseudo science and
best, and a regular violation of the "do no harm" axiom of physicians
at worst, publishes a book every year on what the official party line
is.
What book is that?
Do you suppose deaths from vaccinations are violations of a hippocratic
oath? What about deaths from surgical procedures? 'Do no harm' is not part
of the hippocratic oath. <http://www.geocities.com/everwild7/noharm.html>
They create disorders and diseases, they modify disorders and diseases,
they redefine what the nature of a disorder or disease may be. It is
all !@#$@# *****.
They create classifications for the description of conditions and then
modify and redefine those classifications.
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.gadenrelief.org/>
Suffering follows an evil thought
as the wheels of a cart follow the ox that draws it.
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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26 Jun 2005 10:03:01 PM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
On 2005-06-26, wrote:
Give your head a shake. Modern psychiatry, which is pseudo science and
best, and a regular violation of the "do no harm" axiom of physicians
at worst, publishes a book every year on what the official party line
is.
What book is that?
Do you suppose deaths from vaccinations are violations of a hippocratic
oath? What about deaths from surgical procedures? 'Do no harm' is not part
of the hippocratic oath. <http://www.geocities.com/everwild7/noharm.html>
They create disorders and diseases, they modify disorders and diseases,
they redefine what the nature of a disorder or disease may be. It is
all !@#$@# *****.
They create classifications for the description of conditions and then
modify and redefine those classifications.
The ironically monikered "think" is all yours, Bev. I've no interest in
contending with someone whose concept of debate obviously consists of
little more than regurgitating shibboleths. One thing's for certain: No
Scientologist will ever be willing to allow his/her judgment to be
clouded by sheer facts or logic.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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26 Jun 2005 10:52:47 PM |
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On 2005-06-27, Noon Cat Nick wrote:
The ironically monikered "think" is all yours, Bev. I've no interest in
contending with someone whose concept of debate obviously consists of
little more than regurgitating shibboleths. One thing's for certain: No
Scientologist will ever be willing to allow his/her judgment to be
clouded by sheer facts or logic.
V huff vays oaf may king dumb tink:
<http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/16.htm>
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.mgm.org/>
Learn to look at all sentient beings with eyes of compassion.
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown withMatt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 12:27:24 AM |
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Bev Thornton wrote:
V huff vays oaf may king dumb tink:
<http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/16.htm>
Aha! That's a keeper, I say.
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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27 Jun 2005 12:50:14 AM |
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On 2005-06-27, Noon Cat Nick wrote:
Bev Thornton wrote:
V huff vays oaf may king dumb tink:
<http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/16.htm>
Aha! That's a keeper, I say.
Here's a fun one:
<http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/lampoon/lamp1.htm>
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.mercycorps.org/>
Speak only the speech that neither
torments self nor does harm to others.
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| User: "Kenster" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 12:04:25 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 05:50:14 GMT, Bev Thornton <Reply-To@Not.Invalid>
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Okay, the non scientology poster here has made a believer out of me.
I'm going to a non scientology Narconon facility where I will do a non
scientology rundown that involves the non scientology nutrients crap
that has killed, or almost killed a number of people.
Then my non mental disease will be cured because my rundown will make
all my thetans run from my body and I will be clear I tell
ya,,,,CLEAR!!!
I can then meet up with Xenu who ruled 75million years ago and he will
tell me about all those souls he took to the movie theaters and showed
them movies for days on end about God and the Devil and such while
telling them it is all lies. That Xenu is such a kidder...:o)
And this is just a very, very small portion of the wonderful things
you will pay to learn as a scientologist. This will make you a better
person because you will learn how to get those freakin thetans (souls)
to stop clinging to you...lol
Oh, and did you know that we are all decendants of the clam? If you
hold your fingers out and make the motion of a clam opening and
closing it's mouth you will quickly drive a person insane. Just try
it.
And this is a religion of a completely sane man who doesn't believe in
psychiatry. Well duh!! Can you say paranoid much?????
Fucking idiots.
Kenster
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27 Jun 2005 12:53:17 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
I'm not a Scientologist. I do believe most, if not all, "mental
illness" has roots in nutritional deficiency, and that nutrient
treatments are much more likely to bring about mental health than the
pills the modern witch doctor -aka psychiatrist - proscribes.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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27 Jun 2005 09:42:32 AM |
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<think.uninc@dlcwest.com> wrote in message
news:1119851597.405486.19370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not a Scientologist. I do believe most, if not all, "mental
illness" has roots in nutritional deficiency, and that nutrient
treatments are much more likely to bring about mental health than the
pills the modern witch doctor -aka psychiatrist - proscribes.
Yeah, but my witch doctor can spell prescribe.
--
rhianon@sympatico.ca
"All those who believe in psychokinesis
raise my hand."
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27 Jun 2005 10:39:00 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
So his or her educatshun wasn't a total waste.
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| User: "Charles" |
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27 Jun 2005 01:18:36 AM |
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On 26 Jun 2005 22:53:17 -0700, wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
I'm not a Scientologist. I do believe most, if not all, "mental
illness" has roots in nutritional deficiency, and that nutrient
treatments are much more likely to bring about mental health than the
pills the modern witch doctor -aka psychiatrist - proscribes.
why? what leads you to this belief?
I've read some stories to this end, but I wonder what information you
have that would be persuasive.
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Charles
Does not play well with others.
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27 Jun 2005 11:05:48 AM |
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My own experience, the experience of acquaintances, and a recent
article I read in discovery magazine or Omni magazine, I'm not sure
which.
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 01:05:17 AM |
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You can believe whatever you like. The question is, what do you do
when other people's experiences (as in finding tremendous benefit from
antidepressants, and none from dietary changes or nutritional
supplements) don't fit with your beliefs? Do you deny the validity of
their experiences? Or do you revise your hypotheses?
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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I'm not a Scientologist. I do believe most, if not all, "mental
illness" has roots in nutritional deficiency, and that nutrient
treatments are much more likely to bring about mental health than
the
pills the modern witch doctor -aka psychiatrist - proscribes.
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 04:24:09 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:05:17 -0700, "Nom dePlume"
<nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
You can believe whatever you like. The question is, what do you do
when other people's experiences (as in finding tremendous benefit from
antidepressants, and none from dietary changes or nutritional
supplements) don't fit with your beliefs? Do you deny the validity of
their experiences? Or do you revise your hypotheses?
that's when you change the subject, denounce other peoples
understanding of the world.
ritilan is a street drug. Thus something or other.
By the way, have you read Peter Kramer's new book? It seems to me
like it makes a lot of sense, seems to go along with what I have
experienced.
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Charles
Does not play well with others.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 11:03:53 AM |
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The question is, what do you do when other people's experiences (as in finding >tremendous benefit from antidepressants, and none from dietary changes or nutritional
supplements) don't fit with your beliefs?
Funny that, but my experience, and the experience of everyone I know,
is the exact opposite of what you write.
Every person I know who has been involved with the psychiatric
profession, and received its medications, has claimed no tangible
benefit therefrom, and/or harm like reduced/eliminated libido, dulled
mind, etc.
And in contrast, I and every person I know who has done the
nutrient/micronutrient thing, has claimed tangible benefit and/or cure.
Admittedly those circles of people are pretty small, but there was an
article in a recent issue of Omni or Discovery Magazine, I can't
remember which, that presented a number of cases - people swearing by
the micronutrient cure. Some even claimed the treatment eliminated
their suicidal thoughts.
Do you deny the validity of their experiences? Or do you revise your hypotheses?
I think they should try the micronutrient tereatment so they know what
cure is really like.
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 12:55:41 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 09:03:53 -0700, wrote:
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The question is, what do you do when other people's experiences (as in finding >tremendous benefit from antidepressants, and none from dietary changes or nutritional
supplements) don't fit with your beliefs?
Funny that, but my experience, and the experience of everyone I know,
is the exact opposite of what you write.
Every person I know who has been involved with the psychiatric
profession, and received its medications, has claimed no tangible
benefit therefrom, and/or harm like reduced/eliminated libido, dulled
mind, etc.
And in contrast, I and every person I know who has done the
nutrient/micronutrient thing, has claimed tangible benefit and/or cure.
Admittedly those circles of people are pretty small, but there was an
article in a recent issue of Omni or Discovery Magazine, I can't
remember which, that presented a number of cases - people swearing by
the micronutrient cure. Some even claimed the treatment eliminated
their suicidal thoughts.
Do you deny the validity of their experiences? Or do you revise your hypotheses?
I think they should try the micronutrient tereatment so they know what
cure is really like.
I got about two months into the TrueHope program, the one written up
in Discovery Magazine. I found it necessary to go back onto Prozac.
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Charles
Does not play well with others.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 04:37:48 PM |
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So you are saying you tried that supplement, and you were still
depressed?
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdown with Matt Lauer on "Today" |
27 Jun 2005 07:11:23 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 14:37:48 -0700, wrote:
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So you are saying you tried that supplement, and you were still
depressed?
yes, and got worse.
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Charles
Does not play well with others.
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28 Jun 2005 12:32:04 AM |
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Interesting. Did you also cut out nutrient burners like cafeine, and
depressants like alcohol, and regulate your sugar intake?
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| User: "Charles" |
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28 Jun 2005 12:38:45 AM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 22:32:04 -0700, wrote:
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Interesting. Did you also cut out nutrient burners like cafeine, and
depressants like alcohol, and regulate your sugar intake?
No, I continued to live my life the way I was accustomed to living it.
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Charles
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: Drudge Report, 6/24: Transcript of Tom Cruise's angry showdownwith Matt Lauer on "Today" |
28 Jun 2005 02:29:03 AM |
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Charles wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 22:32:04 -0700, wrote:
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Interesting. Did you also cut out nutrient burners like cafeine, and
depressants like alcohol, and regulate your sugar intake?
No, I continued to live my life the way I was accustomed to living it.
You probably forgot to dent and constrict on a regular basis. What's
the recommendation, something like 100x/day?
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