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"Bacon" |
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14 Dec 2006 05:31:56 PM |
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Executed killer took 34 minutes to die |
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
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15 Dec 2006 01:53:57 PM |
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"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.
Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work
here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
if i had my choice between ,
life in isolation and death ,
i'd pick death
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15 Dec 2006 02:00:32 PM |
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% wrote:
"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1166210893.588414.152540@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.
Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work
here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
if i had my choice between ,
life in isolation and death ,
i'd pick death
Absolutely. The thought of being locked up for a week gives me the
shivers.
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| User: "slunky" |
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15 Dec 2006 02:48:34 PM |
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_/ BoredToTears wrote \_
Absolutely. The thought of being locked up for a week gives me the
shivers.
I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
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-slunky
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 02:56:22 PM |
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"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
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I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
I guess we should bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
Bruce.
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:06:45 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:56:22 -0600, Bruce. wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
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I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
I guess we should bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
We should at the very least get rid of cable TV and exercise yards. How
'bout a mandatory two hours a day watching home movies of the victims
families trying to put their lives back together?
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15 Dec 2006 03:21:36 PM |
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"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.15.21.06.45.203614@you.now...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:56:22 -0600, Bruce. wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo62ds.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
I guess we should bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
We should at the very least get rid of cable TV and exercise yards. How
'bout a mandatory two hours a day watching home movies of the victims
families trying to put their lives back together?
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
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| User: "Tim J." |
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15 Dec 2006 04:35:15 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:21:36 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.15.21.06.45.203614@you.now...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:56:22 -0600, Bruce. wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo62ds.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
I guess we should bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
We should at the very least get rid of cable TV and exercise yards. How
'bout a mandatory two hours a day watching home movies of the victims
families trying to put their lives back together?
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
I'd vote for that.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:39:19 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:21:36 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.15.21.06.45.203614@you.now...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:56:22 -0600, Bruce. wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo62ds.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
I guess we should bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
We should at the very least get rid of cable TV and exercise yards. How
'bout a mandatory two hours a day watching home movies of the victims
families trying to put their lives back together?
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
We should kill their brain but keep their bodies alive by machine and
harvest blood, bone marrow, organs and stem cells.
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| User: "%" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:41:53 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:21:36 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.15.21.06.45.203614@you.now...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:56:22 -0600, Bruce. wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo62ds.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after
a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
I guess we should bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
We should at the very least get rid of cable TV and exercise yards. How
'bout a mandatory two hours a day watching home movies of the victims
families trying to put their lives back together?
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
We should kill their brain but keep their bodies alive by machine and
harvest blood, bone marrow, organs and stem cells.
or let Slunky kick dents in them
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:47:23 PM |
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Bacon wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:21:36 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.15.21.06.45.203614@you.now...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:56:22 -0600, Bruce. wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo62ds.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
I guess we should bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
We should at the very least get rid of cable TV and exercise yards. How
'bout a mandatory two hours a day watching home movies of the victims
families trying to put their lives back together?
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
We should kill their brain but keep their bodies alive by machine and
harvest blood, bone marrow, organs and stem cells.
That's revolting, Bacon! You may as well ship them off to prisons in
China...
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| User: "slunky" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:25:56 PM |
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_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:30:55 PM |
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"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
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_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
--
-slunky
i've seen a few of those and one where ,
the guy killed a little girl and the girls father ,
was waiting outside the court in the hall ,
and he was pretending he was on the pay phone ,
and when they walked the charged man passed ,
the father turned and shot him
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| User: "Brianversion" |
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15 Dec 2006 06:38:41 PM |
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% wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
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_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
--
-slunky
i've seen a few of those and one where ,
the guy killed a little girl and the girls father ,
was waiting outside the court in the hall ,
and he was pretending he was on the pay phone ,
and when they walked the charged man passed ,
the father turned and shot him
That was a karate instructor who had molested repeatedly the mans son.
The cops knew him, so they said, "Gary, No!!!" after he shot the *****
in the head. And what told me the father was just a regular guy, is
that he tried to hang up the phone after he shot him, didn't want to
just leave it dangling. Damn good shot under pressure, even that
close.
Brian
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:43:06 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:55 -0700, % wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo64jq.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
i've seen a few of those and one where , the guy killed a little girl
and the girls father , was waiting outside the court in the hall , and
he was pretending he was on the pay phone , and when they walked the
charged man passed , the father turned and shot him
I remember that. Beware the ***** dad in the yellow raincoat.
No hesitation, no remorse, .38 cal to the side of the head... as I
remember they let him go.
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| User: "%" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:45:13 PM |
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"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.15.21.43.06.876461@you.now...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:55 -0700, % wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo64jq.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
i've seen a few of those and one where , the guy killed a little girl
and the girls father , was waiting outside the court in the hall , and
he was pretending he was on the pay phone , and when they walked the
charged man passed , the father turned and shot him
I remember that. Beware the ***** dad in the yellow raincoat.
No hesitation, no remorse, .38 cal to the side of the head... as I
remember they let him go.
he got a small amount of time , 6 months i think ,
but basically i'd still call it a let go
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| User: "Jane" |
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15 Dec 2006 06:18:46 PM |
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.15.21.43.06.876461@you.now...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:55 -0700, % wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo64jq.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
i've seen a few of those and one where , the guy killed a little girl
and the girls father , was waiting outside the court in the hall , and
he was pretending he was on the pay phone , and when they walked the
charged man passed , the father turned and shot him
I remember that. Beware the ***** dad in the yellow raincoat.
No hesitation, no remorse, .38 cal to the side of the head... as I
remember they let him go.
he got a small amount of time , 6 months i think ,
but basically i'd still call it a let go
WOW that's amazing too, that they didn't punish him longer for taking
justice into his own hands. I don't blame the father at all, I'd be crazy
with murder if someone killed my kid, but it's still murder even if you kill
a murderer in cold blood. No trial, no judge, no jury...
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| User: "Bacon" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:39:51 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:55 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo64jq.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
--
-slunky
i've seen a few of those and one where ,
the guy killed a little girl and the girls father ,
was waiting outside the court in the hall ,
and he was pretending he was on the pay phone ,
and when they walked the charged man passed ,
the father turned and shot him
I saw that! That was intense...
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| User: "%" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:43:20 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:55 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo64jq.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
--
-slunky
i've seen a few of those and one where ,
the guy killed a little girl and the girls father ,
was waiting outside the court in the hall ,
and he was pretending he was on the pay phone ,
and when they walked the charged man passed ,
the father turned and shot him
I saw that! That was intense...
yea , pretty wild ay ,
it must've been some gun ,
to knock the guard on the far side over too
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15 Dec 2006 04:03:57 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:43:20 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:55 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo64jq.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
--
-slunky
i've seen a few of those and one where ,
the guy killed a little girl and the girls father ,
was waiting outside the court in the hall ,
and he was pretending he was on the pay phone ,
and when they walked the charged man passed ,
the father turned and shot him
I saw that! That was intense...
yea , pretty wild ay ,
it must've been some gun ,
to knock the guard on the far side over too
Wow, a low quality copy of it is actually on youtube...THIS IS
EXTREMELY VIOLENT, BLOODY AND DISTURBING SO CONSIDER BEFORE VIEWING...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FOHxGAPfyB8
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15 Dec 2006 06:17:01 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:43:20 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:og56o294u1talmnldagoqup9mo40tiv85d@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:55 -0700, "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo64jq.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
_/ % wrote \_
how about we just give the offenders over to the victims families
You didn't happen to see on the news footage of the man who went to
court, and the victim's family came in and beat the crap out of him
in
front of the judge, did you? I was cheering them on.
--
-slunky
i've seen a few of those and one where ,
the guy killed a little girl and the girls father ,
was waiting outside the court in the hall ,
and he was pretending he was on the pay phone ,
and when they walked the charged man passed ,
the father turned and shot him
I saw that! That was intense...
yea , pretty wild ay ,
it must've been some gun ,
to knock the guard on the far side over too
Wow, a low quality copy of it is actually on youtube...THIS IS
EXTREMELY VIOLENT, BLOODY AND DISTURBING SO CONSIDER BEFORE VIEWING...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FOHxGAPfyB8
WOW!!! Unfortunately now the father will go to prison...
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 06:20:59 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Wow, a low quality copy of it is actually on youtube...THIS IS
EXTREMELY VIOLENT, BLOODY AND DISTURBING SO CONSIDER BEFORE VIEWING...
I appreciate the warning Bacon.
Bruce.
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15 Dec 2006 02:57:37 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ BoredToTears wrote \_
Absolutely. The thought of being locked up for a week gives me the
shivers.
I've been locked up, and after a while you get used to it, and after a
while it's not a punishment anymore it's just life.
--
-slunky
I was locked up for a night when I was a teenager for being drunk and
throwing a bin through a shop window. I don't really remember much
about it apart from my parents reaction when I got home...
But, you must have had an idea of when you're time was up and therefore
could look forward to that. What if there was no release date? No
chance of ever getting out?
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 02:01:20 PM |
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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if i had my choice between ,
life in isolation and death ,
i'd pick death
Me too. Absoultely. Regardless of the method chosen.
Bruce.
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15 Dec 2006 02:16:33 PM |
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On Dec 15, 2:49 pm, "Bruce." <bachast...@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote:
"BoredToTears" <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1166210893.588414.152540@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
Honestly I don't believe it changes a murderous mind, most aren't
thinking the consequences from what I've read, it's the act they thrive
on, not the latter. I don't believe it's improved the death rate, nor
has it made it worse regardless if they serve a life sentence or
recieve the death penalty. I think it's as Janithor stated earlier, to
prevent that murderer from committing the same crime. We've only made
room in our prisons in Florida for four more ppl, I imagine A LOT more
then four have been sentanced. The over crowding of prisons is
rediculous.
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 02:29:31 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166213793.145318.149830@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Honestly I don't believe it changes a murderous mind, most aren't
thinking the consequences from what I've read, it's the act they thrive
on, not the latter.
A lot of the murders are drug related, and the conseguences probably won't
matter to a drug crazed mind.
I don't believe it's improved the death rate, nor
has it made it worse regardless if they serve a life sentence or
recieve the death penalty. I think it's as Janithor stated earlier, to
prevent that murderer from committing the same crime.
I agree, just as I believe that some criminals will never change, and so
should never be let out again, ever.
We've only made
room in our prisons in Florida for four more ppl, I imagine A LOT more
then four have been sentanced. The over crowding of prisons is
rediculous.
As sad statisic is that 1 in 142 US residents now in prison. What they hell
kind of country are we running here?
Bruce.
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15 Dec 2006 02:37:05 PM |
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On Dec 15, 3:29 pm, "Bruce." <bachast...@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1166213793.145318.149830@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Honestly I don't believe it changes a murderous mind, most aren't
thinking the consequences from what I've read, it's the act they thrive
on, not the latter.A lot of the murders are drug related, and the conseguences probably won't
matter to a drug crazed mind.
I don't believe it's improved the death rate, nor
has it made it worse regardless if they serve a life sentence or
recieve the death penalty. I think it's as Janithor stated earlier, to
prevent that murderer from committing the same crime.I agree, just as I believe that some criminals will never change, and so
should never be let out again, ever.
We've only made
room in our prisons in Florida for four more ppl, I imagine A LOT more
then four have been sentanced. The over crowding of prisons is
rediculous.As sad statisic is that 1 in 142 US residents now in prison. What they hell
kind of country are we running here?
Bruce.
A very very frightening one. I wouldn't want to be a young person just
starting out. I can't imagine having children now, knowing what I do
know.
Jane
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15 Dec 2006 02:45:16 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166215025.606676.33040@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
A very very frightening one. I wouldn't want to be a young person just
starting out. I can't imagine having children now, knowing what I do
know.
Another interesting statistic is that the violent crime rate per person in
the US is actually down from what it was 10 years ago. We must be doing
something right. Despite that, I think most people believe the situation is
worse now.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm
Bruce.
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15 Dec 2006 02:47:48 PM |
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Jane wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:49 pm, "Bruce." <bachast...@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote:
"BoredToTears" <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1166210893.588414.152540@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
Honestly I don't believe it changes a murderous mind, most aren't
thinking the consequences from what I've read, it's the act they thrive
on, not the latter.
I think you're right. Tragically, there's a serial killer on the loose
in England at the moment who's killed five women in six weeks. I doubt
he, or perhaps they, are thinking about the consequences of their
actions, just the twisted thrill they get out of it. And no number of
death sentences or life terms would deter them.
I don't believe it's improved the death rate, nor
has it made it worse regardless if they serve a life sentence or
recieve the death penalty. I think it's as Janithor stated earlier, to
prevent that murderer from committing the same crime. We've only made
room in our prisons in Florida for four more ppl, I imagine A LOT more
then four have been sentanced. The over crowding of prisons is
rediculous.
Our prisons are overcrowded, too. I don't know what the solution is.
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15 Dec 2006 03:04:04 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:47:48 -0800, BoredToTears wrote:
Jane wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:49 pm, "Bruce." <bachast...@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote:
"BoredToTears" <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1166210893.588414.152540@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
Honestly I don't believe it changes a murderous mind, most aren't
thinking the consequences from what I've read, it's the act they thrive
on, not the latter.
I think you're right. Tragically, there's a serial killer on the loose
in England at the moment who's killed five women in six weeks. I doubt
he, or perhaps they, are thinking about the consequences of their
actions, just the twisted thrill they get out of it. And no number of
death sentences or life terms would deter them.
I don't believe it's improved the death rate, nor
has it made it worse regardless if they serve a life sentence or
recieve the death penalty. I think it's as Janithor stated earlier, to
prevent that murderer from committing the same crime. We've only made
room in our prisons in Florida for four more ppl, I imagine A LOT more
then four have been sentanced. The over crowding of prisons is
rediculous.
Our prisons are overcrowded, too. I don't know what the solution is.
Interesting:
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/permanentout.htm
Search for "reversed" and remember that's just in Texas.
Pay special attention to the one that died on death row.
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:38:32 PM |
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Ivan Marsh wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:47:48 -0800, BoredToTears wrote:
Jane wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:49 pm, "Bruce." <bachast...@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote:
"BoredToTears" <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1166210893.588414.152540@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
Honestly I don't believe it changes a murderous mind, most aren't
thinking the consequences from what I've read, it's the act they thrive
on, not the latter.
I think you're right. Tragically, there's a serial killer on the loose
in England at the moment who's killed five women in six weeks. I doubt
he, or perhaps they, are thinking about the consequences of their
actions, just the twisted thrill they get out of it. And no number of
death sentences or life terms would deter them.
I don't believe it's improved the death rate, nor
has it made it worse regardless if they serve a life sentence or
recieve the death penalty. I think it's as Janithor stated earlier, to
prevent that murderer from committing the same crime. We've only made
room in our prisons in Florida for four more ppl, I imagine A LOT more
then four have been sentanced. The over crowding of prisons is
rediculous.
Our prisons are overcrowded, too. I don't know what the solution is.
Interesting:
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/permanentout.htm
Search for "reversed" and remember that's just in Texas.
Pay special attention to the one that died on death row.
That is interesting. How many of those wrongfully convicted for murder
don't get their sentence reversed and are executed, in that case?
How about this:
http://torley.org/Kenny-Richey/Kenny-Richey/
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