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14 Dec 2006 05:31:56 PM |
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Executed killer took 34 minutes to die |
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
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| User: "Bacon" |
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15 Dec 2006 02:30:39 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 12:16:33 -0800, "Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:49 pm, "Bruce." <bachast...@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote:
"BoredToTears" <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1166210893.588414.152540@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
Honestly I don't believe it changes a murderous mind, most aren't
thinking the consequences from what I've read, it's the act they thrive
on, not the latter. I don't believe it's improved the death rate, nor
has it made it worse regardless if they serve a life sentence or
recieve the death penalty. I think it's as Janithor stated earlier, to
prevent that murderer from committing the same crime. We've only made
room in our prisons in Florida for four more ppl, I imagine A LOT more
then four have been sentanced. The over crowding of prisons is
rediculous.
And the prison population is primarily drug abusers/addicts...what's
the frickin' point of that? Legalize soft drugs...*****, that's a
whole different thread for a different time.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:31:52 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 11:28:13 -0800, "BoredToTears"
<beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Bruce. wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45824C84.3020909@comcast.net...
Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
Some people feel that the ultimate crime requires the ultimate deterrent.
Bruce.
Right. Some states of the US have the death penalty. The UK doesn't and
hasn't since 1964 (the last execution in Scotland took place in
Aberdeen in 1963). From March 2004 to March 2005 there where 820
murders in the whole of the UK (pop. approx 60 million).
You've got approximately 5 times the UK population and the "deterrent"
of capital punishment. How many people were murdered in the US in the
same period? From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours. The death penalty doesn't seem to "deter" many, does
it?
It's more for recreation...
Walking the plank, now that is a shitty death sentence...
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15 Dec 2006 01:46:19 AM |
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Janithor wrote:
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BoredToTears wrote:
Bruce. wrote:
<snip>
Why they don't use a simple overdose of a narcotic is a complete mystery to
me.
Bruce.
Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/02/20/national/main3307.shtml
I'm against the death penalty but very sympathetic to WHY it is there.
It's one way to guarantee pieces of ***** like this guy don't get
parolled and then kill again. What I don't understand at all is the
sympathy for human filth like Singleton et. al. You chop off a girl's
arms, you rape and kill a little kid, screw you, I am not going to cry
if the state kills you. If you don't want the state to kill you, then
don't chop off the arms of innocent young women or don't rape and kill
little kids. It's pretty simple.
That's horrendous, chopping off someones arms with a fucking axe?!
Should never have been let out. Was a psychiatric evaluation ever done?
Sounds like the kind of person you lock up in a secure mental hospital.
I can understand how the families of victims could want revenge and see
the death penalty as the best way of achieving that, but I just find it
difficult to come to terms with a situation where one particular
killing is, rightly, condemned whereas another is welcomed, celebrated
even. I don't think it does us any good as human beings to rejoice in
the death of anyone, nasty, evil, nutcase though they be. Life should
mean life. I know which one I'd rather face.
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death penalty:
where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will be
executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests, etc.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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15 Dec 2006 02:59:28 AM |
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On 14 Dec 2006 23:46:19 -0800, "BoredToTears"
<beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Janithor wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
BoredToTears wrote:
Bruce. wrote:
<snip>
Why they don't use a simple overdose of a narcotic is a complete mystery to
me.
Bruce.
Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/02/20/national/main3307.shtml
I'm against the death penalty but very sympathetic to WHY it is there.
It's one way to guarantee pieces of ***** like this guy don't get
parolled and then kill again. What I don't understand at all is the
sympathy for human filth like Singleton et. al. You chop off a girl's
arms, you rape and kill a little kid, screw you, I am not going to cry
if the state kills you. If you don't want the state to kill you, then
don't chop off the arms of innocent young women or don't rape and kill
little kids. It's pretty simple.
That's horrendous, chopping off someones arms with a fucking axe?!
Should never have been let out. Was a psychiatric evaluation ever done?
Sounds like the kind of person you lock up in a secure mental hospital.
I can understand how the families of victims could want revenge and see
the death penalty as the best way of achieving that, but I just find it
difficult to come to terms with a situation where one particular
killing is, rightly, condemned whereas another is welcomed, celebrated
even. I don't think it does us any good as human beings to rejoice in
the death of anyone, nasty, evil, nutcase though they be. Life should
mean life. I know which one I'd rather face.
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death penalty:
where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will be
executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests, etc.
It's state sponsored/tax payor funded violence with little evidence of
deterrance of future capital crimes. Hell it might just breed more
violence and further imbed it deep into our society.
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15 Dec 2006 12:18:59 PM |
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On Dec 15, 3:59 am, Bacon <rbkf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 23:46:19 -0800, "BoredToTears"
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death penalty:
where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will be
executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests, etc.It's state sponsored/tax payor funded violence with little evidence of
deterrance of future capital crimes. Hell it might just breed more
violence and further imbed it deep into our society.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Yet life sentances aren't state funded? Either way we're paying for
it, with the death penalty most are put to death before they're old and
getting better medical care than a lot of us who work our asses off
and don't have insurance because we can't afford it.
It was voted on by the people for the people, not all states are for
the death penalty, those that commit these crimes in states that will
put you to death for these crimes are gambling with their own lives.
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 12:53:02 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166206739.441945.280620@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Yet life sentances aren't state funded? Either way we're paying for
it, with the death penalty most are put to death before they're old and
getting better medical care than a lot of us who work our asses off
and don't have insurance because we can't afford it.
I've read that because of the enourmous legal costs, death cases end up
costing more in the long run that those that get life.
But your point is well taken. The state should tend to the legal citizens
before taking care of the law breakers. The system is skewed towards the
criminal. It's no wonder some people choose a life of crime.
It was voted on by the people for the people, not all states are for
the death penalty, those that commit these crimes in states that will
put you to death for these crimes are gambling with their own lives.
The majority has spoken. Those that don't like it can wither choose to live
by our laws or leave the country.
Bruce.
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| User: "jordy" |
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15 Dec 2006 03:46:01 PM |
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Bruce. wrote:
The majority has spoken. Those that don't like it can wither choose to live
by our laws or leave the country.
Bruce.
or they can try to change the laws, or try to not get caught...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "Bacon" |
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15 Dec 2006 12:41:42 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 10:18:59 -0800, "Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 3:59 am, Bacon <rbkf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 23:46:19 -0800, "BoredToTears"
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death penalty:
where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will be
executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests, etc.It's state sponsored/tax payor funded violence with little evidence of
deterrance of future capital crimes. Hell it might just breed more
violence and further imbed it deep into our society.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Yet life sentances aren't state funded? Either way we're paying for
it, with the death penalty most are put to death before they're old and
getting better medical care than a lot of us who work our asses off
and don't have insurance because we can't afford it.
It was voted on by the people for the people, not all states are for
the death penalty, those that commit these crimes in states that will
put you to death for these crimes are gambling with their own lives.
Yeah, God this issue makes my head spin. I don't live and breath the
lifestyle where violence and murder and atrocities are committed. I
have no connection or appropriate perspective. I've never looked into
the eyes of a killer or lost my son to a gang shooting. I live, work
and shop in a 3 mile radius in a nice part of the city...world's away
and ignorant.
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| User: "Jane" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:37:19 PM |
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On Dec 15, 1:41 pm, Bacon <rbkf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 15 Dec 2006 10:18:59 -0800, "Jane" <jarsena...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 3:59 am, Bacon <rbkf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 23:46:19 -0800, "BoredToTears"
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death penalty:
where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will be
executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests, etc.It's state sponsored/tax payor funded violence with little evidence of
deterrance of future capital crimes. Hell it might just breed more
violence and further imbed it deep into our society.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Yet life sentances aren't state funded? Either way we're paying for
it, with the death penalty most are put to death before they're old and
getting better medical care than a lot of us who work our asses off
and don't have insurance because we can't afford it.
It was voted on by the people for the people, not all states are for
the death penalty, those that commit these crimes in states that will
put you to death for these crimes are gambling with their own lives.Yeah, God this issue makes my head spin. I don't live and breath the
lifestyle where violence and murder and atrocities are committed. I
have no connection or appropriate perspective. I've never looked into
the eyes of a killer or lost my son to a gang shooting. I live, work
and shop in a 3 mile radius in a nice part of the city...world's away
and ignorant.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
I lived back in Minnesota and where there was NO death penalty and now
I'm in Florida where we do have death penalty. When we went to a vote
back in MN I voted yes to reinstate it, but the majority ruled and I
have to accept it. Here it's not being called into question and there
isn't a "new" vote but if there was one, I would vote yes. It's a
personal choice I see both sides, but I am for it.
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15 Dec 2006 12:56:59 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:41:42 -0600, Bacon wrote:
On 15 Dec 2006 10:18:59 -0800, "Jane" <jarsenal66@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 3:59 am, Bacon <rbkf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 23:46:19 -0800, "BoredToTears"
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death
penalty: where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will
be executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests,
etc.It's state sponsored/tax payor funded violence with little
evidence of
deterrance of future capital crimes. Hell it might just breed more
violence and further imbed it deep into our society.- Hide quoted text
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Yet life sentances aren't state funded? Either way we're paying for it,
with the death penalty most are put to death before they're old and
getting better medical care than a lot of us who work our asses off and
don't have insurance because we can't afford it.
It was voted on by the people for the people, not all states are for the
death penalty, those that commit these crimes in states that will put
you to death for these crimes are gambling with their own lives.
Yeah, God this issue makes my head spin. I don't live and breath the
lifestyle where violence and murder and atrocities are committed. I
have no connection or appropriate perspective. I've never looked into
the eyes of a killer or lost my son to a gang shooting. I live, work
and shop in a 3 mile radius in a nice part of the city...world's away
and ignorant.
My grandmother was shot in the face with a .45 cal handgun at point blank
range.
I would have considered it justice if they locked him (the shooter) in a
room with me and let me take care of the problem (given the chance... he
killed himself at the scene).
We knew who killed her. The problem with the death penalty is that that's
not always the case. Until we know that we won't execute an innocent man
the state shouldn't kill people.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:56:37 AM |
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BoredToTears wrote:
That's horrendous, chopping off someones arms with a fucking axe?!
Should never have been let out. Was a psychiatric evaluation ever done?
Sounds like the kind of person you lock up in a secure mental hospital.
I can understand how the families of victims could want revenge and see
the death penalty as the best way of achieving that, but I just find it
difficult to come to terms with a situation where one particular
killing is, rightly, condemned whereas another is welcomed, celebrated
even. I don't think it does us any good as human beings to rejoice in
the death of anyone, nasty, evil, nutcase though they be. Life should
mean life. I know which one I'd rather face.
Well, I agree in the sense that celebrating an execution is not good.
However, the 2 deaths are not the same thing, they're totally different.
Do you really see me walking over to my neighbor and bashing her skull
in with a bat the same as the state putting me to trial for the murder,
and lawfully executing me as punishment for that murder? Maybe that's
why you have difficulty understanding why some people are for capital
punishment. They don't view the 2 deaths the same way at all.
Also, in this hypothetical, I essentially killed myself. I knew the
punishment for murder, I took the gamble and did it anyway. If I want
to avoid execution, I should not bash in my neighbor's skull. Whereas
my neighbor did absolutely nothing to warrant her death, she is a pure
victim.
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death penalty:
where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will be
executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests, etc.
Right, like I said, I'm against capital punishment, but I'm very
sympathetic to it.
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:57:31 PM |
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Janithor wrote:
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BoredToTears wrote:
That's horrendous, chopping off someones arms with a fucking axe?!
Should never have been let out. Was a psychiatric evaluation ever done?
Sounds like the kind of person you lock up in a secure mental hospital.
I can understand how the families of victims could want revenge and see
the death penalty as the best way of achieving that, but I just find it
difficult to come to terms with a situation where one particular
killing is, rightly, condemned whereas another is welcomed, celebrated
even. I don't think it does us any good as human beings to rejoice in
the death of anyone, nasty, evil, nutcase though they be. Life should
mean life. I know which one I'd rather face.
Well, I agree in the sense that celebrating an execution is not good.
However, the 2 deaths are not the same thing, they're totally different.
Do you really see me walking over to my neighbor and bashing her skull
in with a bat the same as the state putting me to trial for the murder,
and lawfully executing me as punishment for that murder? Maybe that's
why you have difficulty understanding why some people are for capital
punishment. They don't view the 2 deaths the same way at all.
Ultimately we have two dead people, one killed for no reason and the
other killed for killing. Seems kinda hypocritical to me; you kill
someone for killing someone. Life imprisonment. Locked up for 23 hours
a day, every day. I'd rather die.
Also, in this hypothetical, I essentially killed myself. I knew the
punishment for murder, I took the gamble and did it anyway. If I want
to avoid execution, I should not bash in my neighbor's skull. Whereas
my neighbor did absolutely nothing to warrant her death, she is a pure
victim.
And don't forget the most compelling reason against the death penalty:
where ever you have capital punishment innocent people will be
executed; inevitable and unavoidable. Regardless of DNA tests, etc.
Right, like I said, I'm against capital punishment, but I'm very
sympathetic to it.
I have a lot of sympathy for the relatives of victims who wish revenge
and, like Ivan has said in this thread, wanting to be locked in a room
with the perpetrator. That is a very human reaction, even though I
don't think it should be written into law! What I don't have sympathy
for are those who have no connection with the crime, the criminal or
the victim baying for blood. It's the start of a slippery slope towards
mob rule and vigilantism.
Strangely enough, I'm against torture, too. But I'm sure I'll get
shouted down for that as well.
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15 Dec 2006 02:07:56 AM |
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_/ Janithor wrote \_
Also, in this hypothetical, I essentially killed myself. I knew the
punishment for murder, I took the gamble and did it anyway. If I want
to avoid execution, I should not bash in my neighbor's skull. Whereas
my neighbor did absolutely nothing to warrant her death, she is a pure
victim.
Here here! Exactly my sentiments. I am for the death penalty by the way.
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14 Dec 2006 08:36:38 PM |
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I'd take firing squad over leathal injection anyway. It's simple, and
they get people who actually know what they're doing, and IMO, a much
more dignified way to be capitally punished.
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15 Dec 2006 01:53:35 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:36:38 GMT, slunky <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote:
I'd take firing squad over leathal injection anyway. It's simple, and
they get people who actually know what they're doing, and IMO, a much
more dignified way to be capitally punished.
There's no fun in that. Boot me out of an airplane without a parachute.
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14 Dec 2006 08:58:01 PM |
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slunky wrote:
I'd take firing squad over leathal injection anyway. It's simple, and
they get people who actually know what they're doing, and IMO, a much
more dignified way to be capitally punished.
Artillery round from an M109. You'd simply cease to exist, game over.
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14 Dec 2006 09:01:17 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45820F2B.1090603@comcast.net...
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slunky wrote:
I'd take firing squad over leathal injection anyway. It's simple, and
they get people who actually know what they're doing, and IMO, a much
more dignified way to be capitally punished.
Artillery round from an M109. You'd simply cease to exist, game over.
i want shock and awe , that's the way to go
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15 Dec 2006 06:41:52 PM |
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% wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45820F2B.1090603@comcast.net...
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slunky wrote:
I'd take firing squad over leathal injection anyway. It's simple, and
they get people who actually know what they're doing, and IMO, a much
more dignified way to be capitally punished.
Artillery round from an M109. You'd simply cease to exist, game over.
i want shock and awe , that's the way to go
speaking of 'shock' and awe:
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Florida got rid of the electric chair after two inmates' heads caught
fire during executions in the 1990s and another suffered a severe
nosebleed in 2000. Lethal injection was portrayed as a more humane and
more reliable process.
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15 Dec 2006 06:46:06 PM |
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_/ Brianversion wrote \_
Florida got rid of the electric chair after two inmates' heads caught
fire during executions in the 1990s and another suffered a severe
nosebleed in 2000. Lethal injection was portrayed as a more humane and
more reliable process.
I watched a mini-series about execution methods and one of the episodes
was about the history of the electric chair. Interesting stuff. Did you
know the electric chair was one of the big reasons to why we use
alternating current for our power in the US? Electric chairs use direct
current, and it was viewed as being dangerous so they used alternating
current instead.
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15 Dec 2006 06:54:54 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ Brianversion wrote \_
Florida got rid of the electric chair after two inmates' heads caught
fire during executions in the 1990s and another suffered a severe
nosebleed in 2000. Lethal injection was portrayed as a more humane and
more reliable process.
I watched a mini-series about execution methods and one of the episodes
was about the history of the electric chair. Interesting stuff. Did you
know the electric chair was one of the big reasons to why we use
alternating current for our power in the US? Electric chairs use direct
current, and it was viewed as being dangerous so they used alternating
current instead.
Yeah, Edison electrocuted some pigs upstate New York, I can't remember
if he was the guy with AC, or he was DC. Wasn't Tesla the DC guy? //
There goes the masters in History idea.
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15 Dec 2006 06:58:28 PM |
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_/ Brianversion wrote \_
Yeah, Edison electrocuted some pigs upstate New York, I can't remember
if he was the guy with AC, or he was DC. Wasn't Tesla the DC guy? //
Edison was AC, Tesla was DC. Edison even electrocuted an elephant to
show how dangerous DC was.
There goes the masters in History idea.
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15 Dec 2006 07:27:33 PM |
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"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrneo6h2c.1d2c.slunky@latitude.zero...
Edison was AC, Tesla was DC. Edison even electrocuted an elephant to
show how dangerous DC was.
They filmed it and I saw that b&w movie a zillion years ago. The cruelty of
it really grossed me out at the time and the memory and image stuck with me
for life.
Bruce
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15 Dec 2006 07:28:22 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ Brianversion wrote \_
Yeah, Edison electrocuted some pigs upstate New York, I can't remember
if he was the guy with AC, or he was DC. Wasn't Tesla the DC guy? //
Edison was AC, Tesla was DC. Edison even electrocuted an elephant
I remembered the elephant right after I clicked 'post a message'. I
have always hated that story, shows how the good ole times were
freakin' brutal. You ever read 'conspiracy theorist' ideas about
Tesla, that they are still trying to use his inventions, the
intelligence service confiscated them, he caused the Tunguska explosion
by firing a beam from Long Island, He found a way to distribute free
power across the earth using the magnetic field of the earth (ya know,
spin a copper coil through a magnetic field, you have a dynamo.) weird
how 9 volts of DC powers my synthesizers. and i could lick the end and
not get hurt. Now, if I licked the 120 volt adapter in the right way,
it would end badly.
I think the big thing that sold AC was the fact you could send it for
miles without a major loss. I could be wrong about that...
personal trivia: When i was 17, I worked in the trees. I was
groundman at first, and they foolishly sent me and my friend out with
an aerial bucket truck to do a 'takedown' of a live tree. This company
only worked around power lines for the power companies. At the time,
we knew nothing about roping off branches properly(into other
branches), and I had a direct pull on one from the ground. Kenny cut
into it, it bound up the chainsaw as it leaned onto the bare wire
primaries. It crossed them. There was 13, 800 volts. The handle of
the saw was old and the rubber was cracked. He had to let go of the
stuck saw, he was getting slightly shocked through it. i couldn't pull
it off from the ground. He came down, it started smoking. I went in
and called the fire department, residential area. I came outside and
heard 'crack(boom)' and the huge wire snapped, knocking out power to
1/4 of a city with 100,000 people. The live branch was burned from the
inside out. Bummer. on the radio, someone called in and said "2
stupid tree men just knocked out power, and it only took Hartford
Electric 45 minutes to restore it." I was thinkin' 'she called me a
treeman....cool'
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to
show how dangerous DC was.
There goes the masters in History idea.
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15 Dec 2006 08:43:38 PM |
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_/ Brianversion wrote \_
I think the big thing that sold AC was the fact you could send it for
miles without a major loss. I could be wrong about that...
Yea, that was the biggest reason.
personal trivia: When i was 17, I worked in the trees. I was
<snip>
My personal electricity story was the first month I was working for the
ambulance company. We had to go out on a call for a linesman who
electrocuted himself while he was working on the lines and fell about 50
feet. You could see all his veins. They were completely black. He
survived, but I don't know what he's doing now. My very first call when
I worked for the ambulance was the best. It was an auto-pedestrian
accident. My job was to go find the guy's fingers. I remember picking
them up off the road and wondering which one was which.
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| User: "Brianversion" |
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15 Dec 2006 09:24:24 PM |
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slunky wrote:
_/ Brianversion wrote \_
I think the big thing that sold AC was the fact you could send it for
miles without a major loss. I could be wrong about that...
Yea, that was the biggest reason.
personal trivia: When i was 17, I worked in the trees. I was
<snip>
My personal electricity story was the first month I was working for the
ambulance company. We had to go out on a call for a linesman who
electrocuted himself while he was working on the lines and fell about 50
feet. You could see all his veins. They were completely black. He
survived, but I don't know what he's doing now. My very first call when
I worked for the ambulance was the best. It was an auto-pedestrian
accident. My job was to go find the guy's fingers. I remember picking
them up off the road and wondering which one was which.
I was thinking of becoming an EMT someday. But I saw a guy sprain his ankle and it blew out like a balloon. I got all shakey, couldn't stand up. He was laughing.
Sorting out fingers...Must have to develop a thick skin. But this was
your first call... what, you been in battle or something?
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-slunky
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| User: "The Other Funk" |
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19 Dec 2006 02:46:47 PM |
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Finding the keyboard operational
Brianversion entered:
slunky wrote:
_/ Brianversion wrote \_
I think the big thing that sold AC was the fact you could send it
for miles without a major loss. I could be wrong about that...
Yea, that was the biggest reason.
personal trivia: When i was 17, I worked in the trees. I was
<snip>
My personal electricity story was the first month I was working for
the
ambulance company. We had to go out on a call for a linesman who
electrocuted himself while he was working on the lines and fell
about 50
feet. You could see all his veins. They were completely black. He
survived, but I don't know what he's doing now. My very first call
when
I worked for the ambulance was the best. It was an auto-pedestrian
accident. My job was to go find the guy's fingers. I remember picking
them up off the road and wondering which one was which.
I was thinking of becoming an EMT someday. But I saw a guy sprain
his ankle and it blew out like a balloon. I got all shakey,
couldn't stand up. He was laughing.
Sorting out fingers...Must have to develop a thick skin. But this was
your first call... what, you been in battle or something?
--
-slunky
The real problems start when you find 11.
Bob
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Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
www.moondoggiecoffee.com
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| User: "gravity" |
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19 Dec 2006 04:55:28 PM |
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I think the big thing that sold AC was the fact you could send it
for miles without a major loss. I could be wrong about that...
i think it was Edison who was holding up progress with some shitty DC
system.
G.
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| User: "%" |
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19 Dec 2006 04:58:31 PM |
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"gravity" <gravity@example.net> wrote in message
news:45886df5$0$97244$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
I think the big thing that sold AC was the fact you could send it
for miles without a major loss. I could be wrong about that...
i think it was Edison who was holding up progress with some shitty DC
system.
G.
it was doctor Frankenstein
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| User: "Bacon" |
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14 Dec 2006 09:04:01 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:32:50 -0500, elegy
<elegy@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote:
long ago and far away, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> did say:
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
you know, that kind of thing absolutely baffles me. we can euthanize
animals in no time at all and very rarely with anything that looks at
all like distress. usually they just go to sleep. why isn't it that
way with people? occasionally we'll have to draw up a second dose, but
the pet is peacefully unconscious by then.
it's just an overdose of anesthetic.
If I had an option, I think I'd go with CyberDroogs two quick bullets
to the head...you wouldn't even hear the gunshot. Waiting on drugs to
take effect must be a huge mind *****...that's cruel and unusual. Then
again, 27 years between the murder and the execution is also insanely
fucked up beyond belief.
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| User: "ti-VrYtHG" |
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14 Dec 2006 09:27:39 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:32:50 -0500, elegy <elegy@shatteringDOGPOOP.org>
wrote:
you know, that kind of thing absolutely baffles me. we can euthanize
animals in no time at all and very rarely with anything that looks at
all like distress. usually they just go to sleep. why isn't it that
way with people? occasionally we'll have to draw up a second dose, but
the pet is peacefully unconscious by then.
it's just an overdose of anesthetic.
Most vets use phenobarbital, a narcotic that when given in high doses causes
the heart to arrest (basically it stops beating). When a vet has to inject a
animal again, it's usually because the vet miscalculated the amount required
given the size of the animal, or in very rare cases, less scrupulous vets try
to save money by administering just a 'just enough' dose of phenobarbital.
Overdosing on prescription phenobarbital isn't that easy to do.The amount of
pills required means that the person attempting suicide will often vomit up
what is already in their stomach before they can kick in and do what you want
them to do (the body rejects poisons as quick as it can), therefore often
leaving the person who attempted suicide with severe organ damage rather than
death. The amount of phenobarbital administered in a lethal injection in
humans is considerably higher, usually ten times the amount required to kill
someone. Saying that, I have no idea why they don't use phenobarbital in
capital punishment. I have heard that it's possible to survive a lethal
dosage, especially if the person you are injecting has built an intolerance
to barbiturates through years of narcotic substance abuse, whether using
narcs as a recreational drug, or as a pain killer.
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