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14 Dec 2006 05:31:56 PM |
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Executed killer took 34 minutes to die |
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
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| User: "Bruce." |
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14 Dec 2006 05:54:31 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
Hmmm. There's no mention of how long it took his victim to die.
Bruce.
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| User: "used2be" |
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15 Dec 2006 09:06:10 AM |
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"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
Hmmm. There's no mention of how long it took his victim to die.
exactly. let me get out my violin!!!
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| User: "Ivan Marsh" |
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15 Dec 2006 10:14:20 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:54:31 +0000, Bruce. wrote:
"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
Hmmm. There's no mention of how long it took his victim to die.
Beat me to it.
If you're going to kill someone for killing someone you should kill them
in the exact same way they killed their victims.
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| User: "jordy" |
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| Title: Re: Executed killer took 34 minutes to die |
15 Dec 2006 03:02:50 PM |
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Bacon wrote:
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
It's terrible, really terrible... there should not be a death
penalty. period. It's completly barbaric...
-"Jordy"
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| User: "Janithor" |
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15 Dec 2006 06:01:34 PM |
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jordy wrote:
Bacon wrote:
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
It's terrible, really terrible... there should not be a death
penalty. period. It's completly barbaric...
-"Jordy"
Not even for Bush?
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 06:04:43 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Not even for Bush?
He should be tried by a world court for war crimes and let them decide his
fate.
Bruce.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:43:25 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:31:56 -0600, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
Poor baby.
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| User: "elegy" |
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14 Dec 2006 08:32:50 PM |
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long ago and far away, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> did say:
STARKE, Florida (AP) -- Death penalty opponents criticized the
execution of a convicted murderer who took more than half an hour to
die and needed a rare second dose of lethal chemicals.
Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, convicted of murdering a Miami topless bar
manager 27 years ago, appeared to grimace before dying Wednesday, 34
minutes after the first dose.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/14/diaz.execution.ap/index.html
you know, that kind of thing absolutely baffles me. we can euthanize
animals in no time at all and very rarely with anything that looks at
all like distress. usually they just go to sleep. why isn't it that
way with people? occasionally we'll have to draw up a second dose, but
the pet is peacefully unconscious by then.
it's just an overdose of anesthetic.
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"you don't have to eat the entire turd
to know that it's not a crab cake." (orson scott card)
http://shattering.org
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| User: "Bruce." |
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14 Dec 2006 08:46:41 PM |
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"elegy" <elegy@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
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you know, that kind of thing absolutely baffles me. we can euthanize
animals in no time at all and very rarely with anything that looks at
all like distress. usually they just go to sleep. why isn't it that
way with people? occasionally we'll have to draw up a second dose, but
the pet is peacefully unconscious by then.
it's just an overdose of anesthetic.
What I've read is that they use 3 different chemicals to kill people, unlike
the 1 used on animals. I have no idea why.
The first knocks you out, the second paralyzes you, the third stops your
heart. What I've heard is the chemicals can be very painful if you're not
first properly knocked out.
The method might vary depending on the state.
Why they don't use a simple overdose of a narcotic is a complete mystery to
me.
Bruce.
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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15 Dec 2006 12:58:29 AM |
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Bruce. wrote:
<snip>
Why they don't use a simple overdose of a narcotic is a complete mystery to
me.
Bruce.
Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:19:40 AM |
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BoredToTears wrote:
Bruce. wrote:
<snip>
Why they don't use a simple overdose of a narcotic is a complete mystery to
me.
Bruce.
Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/02/20/national/main3307.shtml
I'm against the death penalty but very sympathetic to WHY it is there.
It's one way to guarantee pieces of ***** like this guy don't get
parolled and then kill again. What I don't understand at all is the
sympathy for human filth like Singleton et. al. You chop off a girl's
arms, you rape and kill a little kid, screw you, I am not going to cry
if the state kills you. If you don't want the state to kill you, then
don't chop off the arms of innocent young women or don't rape and kill
little kids. It's pretty simple.
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 08:28:58 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
Some people feel that the ultimate crime requires the ultimate deterrent.
Bruce.
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| User: "Justin ;" |
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15 Dec 2006 08:36:14 AM |
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"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| "Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| >> Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
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| Some people feel that the ultimate crime requires the ultimate deterrent.
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well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
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| User: "Bruce." |
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15 Dec 2006 09:20:27 AM |
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"Justin" <;> wrote in message
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well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming and
unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video surveillance
backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that will
stand up even as technology improves.
Bruce.
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| User: "Justin ;" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:17:58 PM |
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"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| "Justin" <;> wrote in message
| news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
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| I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming and
| unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video surveillance
| backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that will
| stand up even as technology improves.
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Absolutely, when there is no question of a doubt, it should be an eye for
an eye. The last execution (by hanging) here was in 1963, I often wonder
if it was implemented again, how much would the murder/rape/crime rate
actually drop?
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| User: "Bacon" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:24:57 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:17:58 +1100, "Justin" <;> wrote:
"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| "Justin" <;> wrote in message
| news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
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| I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming and
| unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video surveillance
| backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that will
| stand up even as technology improves.
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| Bruce.
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Absolutely, when there is no question of a doubt, it should be an eye for
an eye. The last execution (by hanging) here was in 1963, I often wonder
if it was implemented again, how much would the murder/rape/crime rate
actually drop?
I'm caught in a brain loop. I'm kind of for the death penalty if
issued without error and carried out swiftly, painlessly and without
vengence but as a deterrant. But the way we ***** it up again and
again it's as laughable of giving Bush the keys the country. USA, USA
<chanting> USA, USA
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| User: "Justin ;" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:40:40 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:17:58 +1100, "Justin" <;> wrote:
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| >"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
| >news:U2zgh.712$Gw4.276@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
| >| "Justin" <;> wrote in message
| >| news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| >| > well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
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| >| I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming
and
| >| unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video
surveillance
| >| backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that
will
| >| stand up even as technology improves.
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| >| Bruce.
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| >Absolutely, when there is no question of a doubt, it should be an eye
for
| >an eye. The last execution (by hanging) here was in 1963, I often
wonder
| >if it was implemented again, how much would the murder/rape/crime rate
| >actually drop?
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| I'm caught in a brain loop. I'm kind of for the death penalty if
| issued without error and carried out swiftly, painlessly and without
| vengence but as a deterrant. But the way we ***** it up again and
| again it's as laughable of giving Bush the keys the country. USA, USA
| <chanting> USA, USA
Agreed, but I think Slunky got the right idea, death by firing squad, I
don't think I'd wanna go that way though.
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15 Dec 2006 02:44:19 PM |
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Agreed, but I think Slunky got the right idea, death by firing squad, I
don't think I'd wanna go that way though.
Nine bullets all shot by experienced marksmen. That's nine chances all
at once of it working.
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| User: "Justin ;" |
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15 Dec 2006 02:47:57 PM |
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| _/ Justin wrote \_
| > Agreed, but I think Slunky got the right idea, death by firing squad,
I
| > don't think I'd wanna go that way though.
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| Nine bullets all shot by experienced marksmen. That's nine chances all
| at once of it working.
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| -slunky
Those are pretty good odds, except if you were a cat, you'd hope the last
bloke missed.
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15 Dec 2006 02:53:31 PM |
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Bruce. wrote:
"Justin" <;> wrote in message
news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming and
unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video surveillance
backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that will
stand up even as technology improves.
Bruce.
But where do you draw the line? What if the CCTV pictures are slightly
blurred? If you turn your head *this* way, it does look like him.
Kinda. I'm not willing to gamble someones life on "maybes"
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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15 Dec 2006 02:10:43 PM |
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Bruce. wrote:
"Justin" <;> wrote in message
news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming and
unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video surveillance
backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that will
stand up even as technology improves.
Bruce.
But where do you draw the line? What if the CCTV pictures are slightly
blurred? If you turn your head *this* way, it does look like him.
Kinda. I'm not willing to gamble someones life on "maybes".
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15 Dec 2006 02:21:07 PM |
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"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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But where do you draw the line? What if the CCTV pictures are slightly
blurred? If you turn your head *this* way, it does look like him.
Kinda. I'm not willing to gamble someones life on "maybes".
That's why our system requires 12 people to be convinced beyond a reasonable
doubt. All it takes is one unsure person and they won't get the death
penalty. Somewhere in that 12 people will be at least one that wants to see
an unfuizzy picture before being doubt free.
Bruce.
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15 Dec 2006 02:18:23 PM |
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"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Bruce. wrote:
| > "Justin" <;> wrote in message
| > news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > > well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
| >
| > I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming and
| > unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video surveillance
| > backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that
will
| > stand up even as technology improves.
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| > Bruce.
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| But where do you draw the line? What if the CCTV pictures are slightly
| blurred? If you turn your head *this* way, it does look like him.
| Kinda. I'm not willing to gamble someones life on "maybes".
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That's where DNA testing comes in handy if there is an available sample to
use, and in most cases there is.
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15 Dec 2006 02:35:05 PM |
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Justin wrote:
"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Bruce. wrote:
| > "Justin" <;> wrote in message
| > news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > > well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
| >
| > I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming and
| > unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video surveillance
| > backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence that
will
| > stand up even as technology improves.
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| > Bruce.
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| But where do you draw the line? What if the CCTV pictures are slightly
| blurred? If you turn your head *this* way, it does look like him.
| Kinda. I'm not willing to gamble someones life on "maybes".
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That's where DNA testing comes in handy if there is an available sample to
use, and in most cases there is.
You can't build a case against someone on DNA tests alone, there has to
be some other corroborating evidence, preferably from another,
independent source. For instance, the police arrive at my door and
arrest me for assaulting a ticket inspector on a train by spitting on
them (Here they carry little sample kits to be used if someone does
spit on them). Now, I can think of at least one scenario in which that
kind of sampling could be used and abused to wrongfully convict someone
of a crime they didn't commit, if there was no corroborating evidence:
I was on that train at that time argued with the ticket inspector, or
it was someone with me that argued with them. I was chewing gum and
coughed it up...
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| User: "Justin ;" |
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15 Dec 2006 02:43:59 PM |
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"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Justin wrote:
| > "BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
| > news:1166213443.267755.159040@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
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| > | Bruce. wrote:
| > | > "Justin" <;> wrote in message
| > | > news:4582b2dc$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > | > > well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
| > | >
| > | > I'm in favor of it in those cases where the evidence is overwhelming
and
| > | > unmistakable. For example, a killing at a bank under video
surveillance
| > | > backed up by fingerprint and dna evidence. The kind of evidence
that
| > will
| > | > stand up even as technology improves.
| > | >
| > | > Bruce.
| > |
| > |
| > | But where do you draw the line? What if the CCTV pictures are slightly
| > | blurred? If you turn your head *this* way, it does look like him.
| > | Kinda. I'm not willing to gamble someones life on "maybes".
| > |
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| >
| >
| > That's where DNA testing comes in handy if there is an available sample
to
| > use, and in most cases there is.
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| You can't build a case against someone on DNA tests alone, there has to
| be some other corroborating evidence, preferably from another,
| independent source. For instance, the police arrive at my door and
| arrest me for assaulting a ticket inspector on a train by spitting on
| them (Here they carry little sample kits to be used if someone does
| spit on them). Now, I can think of at least one scenario in which that
| kind of sampling could be used and abused to wrongfully convict someone
| of a crime they didn't commit, if there was no corroborating evidence:
| I was on that train at that time argued with the ticket inspector, or
| it was someone with me that argued with them. I was chewing gum and
| coughed it up...
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That's what I meant, with all other conclusive evidence taken into
consideration, quite often the DNA will clench the deal.
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15 Dec 2006 01:07:16 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:36:14 +1100, "Justin" <;> wrote:
<(((*>
<(((*>"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
<(((*>news:Ciygh.16$x67.10@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
<(((*>| "Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
<(((*>| news:45824C84.3020909@comcast.net...
<(((*>| >> Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
<(((*>|
<(((*>| Some people feel that the ultimate crime requires the ultimate deterrent.
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<(((*>| Bruce.
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<(((*>well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
If the existence of the death penalty deters folks from committing murder, then
we can reasonably expect to see that the murder rate is significantly lower in
those states that have the death penalty.
The statistics must exist somewhere, and if they exist, they've probably been
posted to the WWW.
Anyone got a link?
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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15 Dec 2006 01:28:19 PM |
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"Jester's mummy" <cocky2@nest.egg> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:36:14 +1100, "Justin" <;> wrote:
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| ><(((*>
| ><(((*>"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
| ><(((*>news:Ciygh.16$x67.10@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
| ><(((*>| "Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
| ><(((*>| news:45824C84.3020909@comcast.net...
| ><(((*>| >> Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery
to me.
| ><(((*>|
| ><(((*>| Some people feel that the ultimate crime requires the ultimate
deterrent.
| ><(((*>|
| ><(((*>| Bruce.
| ><(((*>|
| ><(((*>|
| ><(((*>
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| ><(((*>well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
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| If the existence of the death penalty deters folks from committing murder,
then
| we can reasonably expect to see that the murder rate is significantly
lower in
| those states that have the death penalty.
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| The statistics must exist somewhere, and if they exist, they've probably
been
| posted to the WWW.
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| Anyone got a link?
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| Tara J. Ballance
| Montreal, Canada
I'm not sure how much of a deterrence the death penalty would be these days,
well here in Oz at least. There seems to be so much violence on the streets
that is drug related, I'm sure it is not even given a thought before the
crime is committed. I guess it's like this in a lot of places though.
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15 Dec 2006 01:34:03 PM |
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| On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:36:14 +1100, "Justin" <;> wrote:
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| ><(((*>"Bruce." <bachastain@XNOSPAMXsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| ><(((*>| "Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| ><(((*>| >> Why they kill people for killing people is a complete
mystery
to me.
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| ><(((*>| Some people feel that the ultimate crime requires the ultimate
deterrent.
| ><(((*>|
| ><(((*>| Bruce.
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| ><(((*>|
| ><(((*>
| ><(((*>
| ><(((*>well, it certainly is the ultimate deterrent, and final.
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| If the existence of the death penalty deters folks from committing
murder,
then
| we can reasonably expect to see that the murder rate is significantly
lower in
| those states that have the death penalty.
|
| The statistics must exist somewhere, and if they exist, they've probably
been
| posted to the WWW.
|
| Anyone got a link?
|
| Tara J. Ballance
| Montreal, Canada
I'm not sure how much of a deterrence the death penalty would be these
days,
well here in Oz at least. There seems to be so much violence on the
streets
that is drug related, I'm sure it is not even given a thought before the
crime is committed. I guess it's like this in a lot of places though.
i'll take the snow and the basement anyday
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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| Title: Re: Executed killer took 34 minutes to die |
15 Dec 2006 01:28:13 PM |
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Bruce. wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Why they kill people for killing people is a complete mystery to me.
Some people feel that the ultimate crime requires the ultimate deterrent.
Bruce.
Right. Some states of the US have the death penalty. The UK doesn't and
hasn't since 1964 (the last execution in Scotland took place in
Aberdeen in 1963). From March 2004 to March 2005 there where 820
murders in the whole of the UK (pop. approx 60 million).
You've got approximately 5 times the UK population and the "deterrent"
of capital punishment. How many people were murdered in the US in the
same period? From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours. The death penalty doesn't seem to "deter" many, does
it?
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| User: "Bruce." |
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| Title: Re: Executed killer took 34 minutes to die |
15 Dec 2006 01:49:53 PM |
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"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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From what I can find, more than 16 000. A murder rate more
than 4 times ours.
Turning that around, that argument could be used to prove that the death
penality actually promotes murders.
That doesn't seem reasonable to me either so there must be more at work here
than simple numbers.
Bruce.
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