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21 Jul 2007 12:37:26 PM |
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Exercise May Help Hard-to-Treat Depression |
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
The study found that depressed women who started a supervised exercise
regimen had significant improvements in their symptoms over the next
eight months. Those who didn't exercise showed only marginal
improvements.
Before the study, all of the women had tried taking antidepressant
medication for at least two months but had failed to improve.
A number of studies have found that physically active people are less
likely than couch potatoes to suffer depression. Some clinical trials
have shown regular exercise can help treat the disorder, and perhaps
be as effective as antidepressant drugs in some cases.
The new findings suggest that exercise can even help people whose
symptoms have been resistant to medication, according to the study
authors.
Dr. Alessandra Pilu of the University of Cagliari in Italy and
co-investigators report their findings in the online journal of
Clinical Practice and Epidemiology in Mental Health.
The study included 30 women ages 40 to 60 who'd been diagnosed with
major depression. The researchers randomly assigned the women to
either stick with antidepressants alone or to start an exercise
program. All of the patients continued to take their medication.
The exercisers worked out as a group twice a week for one hour, using
cardio-fitness machines. At the beginning of the study and eight
months later, women in both groups completed standard measures used to
assess depression severity.
Pilu's team found that women in the exercise group showed marked
improvements in their depression symptoms, while those on medication
alone made only modest gains.
The findings suggest that exercise could be an effective additional
treatment for depression over the long term, the researchers point
out.
There are several theories on why exercise might improve depression.
Physical activity seems to affect some key nervous system chemicals —
norepinephrine and serotonin — that are targets of antidepressant
drugs, as well as brain neurotrophins, which help protect nerve cells
from injury and transmit signals in brain regions related to mood.
Beyond that, people who take group exercise classes may feel better
from simply getting out and being with other people.
SOURCE: Clinical Practice and Epidemiology in Mental Health,
online July 9, 2007.
© Reuters 2007. All rights reserved.
Charles
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21 Jul 2007 12:38:44 PM |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com...
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
The study found that depressed women who started a supervised exercise
regimen had significant improvements in their symptoms over the next
eight months. Those who didn't exercise showed only marginal
improvements.
Before the study, all of the women had tried taking antidepressant
medication for at least two months but had failed to improve.
A number of studies have found that physically active people are less
likely than couch potatoes to suffer depression. Some clinical trials
have shown regular exercise can help treat the disorder, and perhaps
be as effective as antidepressant drugs in some cases.
The new findings suggest that exercise can even help people whose
symptoms have been resistant to medication, according to the study
authors.
Dr. Alessandra Pilu of the University of Cagliari in Italy and
co-investigators report their findings in the online journal of
Clinical Practice and Epidemiology in Mental Health.
The study included 30 women ages 40 to 60 who'd been diagnosed with
major depression. The researchers randomly assigned the women to
either stick with antidepressants alone or to start an exercise
program. All of the patients continued to take their medication.
The exercisers worked out as a group twice a week for one hour, using
cardio-fitness machines. At the beginning of the study and eight
months later, women in both groups completed standard measures used to
assess depression severity.
Pilu's team found that women in the exercise group showed marked
improvements in their depression symptoms, while those on medication
alone made only modest gains.
The findings suggest that exercise could be an effective additional
treatment for depression over the long term, the researchers point
out.
There are several theories on why exercise might improve depression.
Physical activity seems to affect some key nervous system chemicals -
norepinephrine and serotonin - that are targets of antidepressant
drugs, as well as brain neurotrophins, which help protect nerve cells
from injury and transmit signals in brain regions related to mood.
Beyond that, people who take group exercise classes may feel better
from simply getting out and being with other people.
SOURCE: Clinical Practice and Epidemiology in Mental Health,
online July 9, 2007.
© Reuters 2007. All rights reserved.
Charles
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i exercise regularly , it doesn't help
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| User: "used2be" |
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21 Jul 2007 01:32:21 PM |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com...
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
The study found that depressed women who started a supervised exercise
regimen had significant improvements in their symptoms over the next
eight months. Those who didn't exercise showed only marginal
improvements.
Before the study, all of the women had tried taking antidepressant
medication for at least two months but had failed to improve.
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat? geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
otherwise, i'd pretty much agree with the study. that exercise helps with
depression. but, in my past experience, when i was in one of my severe
phases and none of the medications i was trying was helping (in fact, some
were making matters worse), exercise was completely out of the question.
there were days that i couldn't even walk across the room, much less walk
around the block or jump on a treadmill. if i had even attempted to do
those things at the time, i would have collapsed in a heap and wept in
unbearable agony. some days i did that very thing just simply because i had
woken up.
~u2b
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| User: "RGB" |
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21 Jul 2007 01:43:15 PM |
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In article <46a25133$0$12197$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat? geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
That does seem a little odd, even for evaluating response to medication
in general.
otherwise, i'd pretty much agree with the study. that exercise helps with
depression. but, in my past experience, when i was in one of my severe
phases and none of the medications i was trying was helping (in fact, some
were making matters worse), exercise was completely out of the question.
there were days that i couldn't even walk across the room, much less walk
around the block or jump on a treadmill. if i had even attempted to do
those things at the time, i would have collapsed in a heap and wept in
unbearable agony. some days i did that very thing just simply because i had
woken up.
I hear you (about the difficulty). But I'm guessing you were just trying
to maintain that exercise regimen on your own, yes? It might have been
more doable if you were working with a doctor who had prescribed
exercise with the formality and specificity of prescribing a drug.
Sometimes I wish I had someone like that to help me, since exercise is
*very* helpful for me but I've gotten very bad about it lately.
(Actually, they do have personal trainers, but they're probably even
more expensive than doctors.)
Mark
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| User: "used2be" |
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21 Jul 2007 10:09:16 PM |
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"RGB" <asd071907@Use.Organization> wrote in message
news:7tsoi.54650$LL7.34274@fe08.news.easynews.com...
In article <46a25133$0$12197$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat? geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
That does seem a little odd, even for evaluating response to medication
in general.
especially since you are supposed to give a new med a good 6 to 8 weeks
before you give up on it! so, if someone has only tried one med and it
didn't work after 2 months, they're suddenly considered "hard to treat"?
amazing...
otherwise, i'd pretty much agree with the study. that exercise helps
with
depression. but, in my past experience, when i was in one of my severe
phases and none of the medications i was trying was helping (in fact,
some
were making matters worse), exercise was completely out of the question.
there were days that i couldn't even walk across the room, much less walk
around the block or jump on a treadmill. if i had even attempted to do
those things at the time, i would have collapsed in a heap and wept in
unbearable agony. some days i did that very thing just simply because i
had
woken up.
I hear you (about the difficulty). But I'm guessing you were just trying
to maintain that exercise regimen on your own, yes?
i wasn't interested in any exercise at all during those times. but when my
depression is more managable, like now, then i do indeed find that an
exercise regimen is very helpful!
It might have been
more doable if you were working with a doctor who had prescribed
exercise with the formality and specificity of prescribing a drug.
but you have to agree that when the depression is severe and debilitating,
exercise is the last thing on your mind. it would be a bit like telling
someone with no legs to get up and walk around the block. maddening, even.
Sometimes I wish I had someone like that to help me, since exercise is
*very* helpful for me but I've gotten very bad about it lately.
yes, i wish i had someone to push me as well. i push myself every now and
again, but not on a regular basis. i wish it would make myself get up and
do some form of exercise every single day!
(Actually, they do have personal trainers, but they're probably even
more expensive than doctors.)
yes, outrageously so, i'm afraid. :/
~cindy
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| User: "RGB" |
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22 Jul 2007 02:39:26 AM |
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In article <46a2ca5d$0$4713$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
but you have to agree that when the depression is severe and
debilitating, exercise is the last thing on your mind. it would be a
bit like telling someone with no legs to get up and walk around the
block. maddening, even.
Well, having something be the last thing on your mind isn't quite the
same as being incapable of it, right? And here's where the much-reviled
cognitive therapy approach comes in: exactly how similar is being
extremely depressed, in terms of not being able to exercise, to having
no legs? I suppose it *could* be just as bad, in which case the
depressed person would sit in a house on fire and burn to death because
they can't walk out. Obviously someone in that state requires immediate
hospitalization, or at least round-the-clock care, because of such an
extreme degree of vulnerability, but depression doesn't often get THAT
bad, and in fact, if it does get THAT bad, it's probably clinically
something other than and a lot worse than depression.
So I object to the analogy. The doc's "prescription" might ***** you
off, and you might be "non-compliant", as the saying goes, but if
exercise would really help, in the opinion of your physician, you would
be well advised to do it. If you "can't", well, I guess you'll also
find people who "can't" make it to an appointment, or "can't" take
their meds, in which case, you're fucked, and it's probably hospital
time. But anybody who is non-unwell enough to live outside of a
hospital (and without a 24 hour nurse) is non-unwell enough to spend 20
minutes on a treadmill twice a week.
Mark
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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25 Jul 2007 05:51:20 PM |
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In message <NQDoi.148233$oA4.8525@fe04.news.easynews.com>, RGB
<asd071907@Use.Organization> writes
In article <46a2ca5d$0$4713$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
but you have to agree that when the depression is severe and
debilitating, exercise is the last thing on your mind. it would be a
bit like telling someone with no legs to get up and walk around the
block. maddening, even.
Well, having something be the last thing on your mind isn't quite the
same as being incapable of it, right?
If something's the last thing on my mind, it's going to be the last
thing I do, isn't it? Since my to do list resets every day, (get up, get
out of bed, put on spectacles, take pill, and on through a list of
similarly impossible tasks) I never get to the last thing on the list,
so yes, something being the last thing on my mind means almost certainly
means I'm incapable of doing it, even if I feel well enough to try.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "RGB" |
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25 Jul 2007 06:12:38 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
but you have to agree that when the depression is severe and
debilitating, exercise is the last thing on your mind. it would be a
bit like telling someone with no legs to get up and walk around the
block. maddening, even.
Well, having something be the last thing on your mind isn't quite the
same as being incapable of it, right?
If something's the last thing on my mind, it's going to be the last
thing I do, isn't it? Since my to do list resets every day, (get up, get
out of bed, put on spectacles, take pill, and on through a list of
similarly impossible tasks) I never get to the last thing on the list,
so yes, something being the last thing on my mind means almost certainly
means I'm incapable of doing it, even if I feel well enough to try.
Well, if you really want to get picky about it, having anything be the
last thing on your mind means you're dead.
I remember a really effective driving safety TV spot from years ago that
went something like:
(black background)
Narrator:
The last people Bob and Carol
expected to run into last Saturday
were Ted and Alice ...
(sound of screeching tires then crash)
Narrator:
... the VERY last thing.
(pause)
Drive defensively. Watch out for the other guy.
He may be the kind who'll stop at nothing.
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| User: "RGB" |
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25 Jul 2007 06:16:03 PM |
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RGB wrote:
Narrator:
The last people Bob and Carol
expected to run into last Saturday
were Ted and Alice ...
(sound of screeching tires then crash)
Narrator:
... the VERY last thing.
Wait, that doesn't work. It was more like:
Narrator:
The last thing Bob and Carol expected
was to run into Ted and Alice on Sunday night ...
(sound of screeching tires then crash)
Narrator:
... the VERY last thing.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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22 Jul 2007 05:13:51 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
RGB wrote:
In article <46a2ca5d$0$4713$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
but you have to agree that when the depression is severe and
debilitating, exercise is the last thing on your mind. it would be a
bit like telling someone with no legs to get up and walk around the
block. maddening, even.
Well, having something be the last thing on your mind isn't quite the
same as being incapable of it, right? And here's where the much-reviled
cognitive therapy approach comes in: exactly how similar is being
extremely depressed, in terms of not being able to exercise, to having
no legs? I suppose it *could* be just as bad, in which case the
depressed person would sit in a house on fire and burn to death because
they can't walk out. Obviously someone in that state requires immediate
hospitalization, or at least round-the-clock care, because of such an
extreme degree of vulnerability, but depression doesn't often get THAT
bad, and in fact, if it does get THAT bad, it's probably clinically
something other than and a lot worse than depression.
So I object to the analogy. The doc's "prescription" might ***** you
off, and you might be "non-compliant", as the saying goes, but if
exercise would really help, in the opinion of your physician, you would
be well advised to do it. If you "can't", well, I guess you'll also
find people who "can't" make it to an appointment, or "can't" take
their meds, in which case, you're fucked, and it's probably hospital
time. But anybody who is non-unwell enough to live outside of a
hospital (and without a 24 hour nurse) is non-unwell enough to spend 20
minutes on a treadmill twice a week.
Mark
It took me 15 years to start running again. For some reason, I never
got started in earnest, even though I started and stopped many times. I
don't know why it was so hard. Now I get panicky if I don't get my
mileage in. I just committed to it, I think it's a midlife crisis thing.
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| User: "asdf" |
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05 Aug 2007 11:50:29 PM |
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Like many have already posted, do not start exerting yourself strenuously
at first especially if you're not used to exercising. Start slowly and
work your way up. I had some nightmarish experience going "gung ho". If
you suffer from panic and do some extremely strenuous jogging or running,
you can exacerbate your panic conditions. It is a horrible feeling for the
one hour immediately after workout. You do feel better after 3 or 4 hours
passes though, but just not worth it. I find light routines such as
walking beneficial for those with mild conditions and that's what I do.
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| User: "" |
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21 Jul 2007 10:36:23 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:09:16 -0500, "used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"RGB" <asd071907@Use.Organization> wrote in message
news:7tsoi.54650$LL7.34274@fe08.news.easynews.com...
In article <46a25133$0$12197$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat? geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
That does seem a little odd, even for evaluating response to medication
in general.
especially since you are supposed to give a new med a good 6 to 8 weeks
before you give up on it! so, if someone has only tried one med and it
didn't work after 2 months, they're suddenly considered "hard to treat"?
amazing...
otherwise, i'd pretty much agree with the study. that exercise helps
with
depression. but, in my past experience, when i was in one of my severe
phases and none of the medications i was trying was helping (in fact,
some
were making matters worse), exercise was completely out of the question.
there were days that i couldn't even walk across the room, much less walk
around the block or jump on a treadmill. if i had even attempted to do
those things at the time, i would have collapsed in a heap and wept in
unbearable agony. some days i did that very thing just simply because i
had
woken up.
I hear you (about the difficulty). But I'm guessing you were just trying
to maintain that exercise regimen on your own, yes?
i wasn't interested in any exercise at all during those times. but when my
depression is more managable, like now, then i do indeed find that an
exercise regimen is very helpful!
It might have been
more doable if you were working with a doctor who had prescribed
exercise with the formality and specificity of prescribing a drug.
but you have to agree that when the depression is severe and debilitating,
exercise is the last thing on your mind. it would be a bit like telling
someone with no legs to get up and walk around the block. maddening, even.
Sometimes I wish I had someone like that to help me, since exercise is
*very* helpful for me but I've gotten very bad about it lately.
yes, i wish i had someone to push me as well. i push myself every now and
again, but not on a regular basis. i wish it would make myself get up and
do some form of exercise every single day!
(Actually, they do have personal trainers, but they're probably even
more expensive than doctors.)
yes, outrageously so, i'm afraid. :/
~cindy
I'm pretty much on auto pilot with exercise these days. Three days a
week, 1 1/2 hour sessions. I'm like a robot. :) It does help me. Just
the sense of I DID it is a boost. On bad days, it's generally my only
accomplishment. :/
As good as exercise is, I'm afraid I'm going to have to break down and
go back to the doc soon. The days are just too long and the sleep too
broken up.
And Mark, I think you have a good point about personal trainers.
Jeanne
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| User: "used2be" |
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21 Jul 2007 10:49:22 PM |
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<jeanne@nycmail.com> wrote
I'm pretty much on auto pilot with exercise these days. Three days a
week, 1 1/2 hour sessions. I'm like a robot. :) It does help me. Just
the sense of I DID it is a boost. On bad days, it's generally my only
accomplishment. :/
i'd like to get into autopilot with exercise myself. i'm much too "on
again/off again."
As good as exercise is, I'm afraid I'm going to have to break down and
go back to the doc soon. The days are just too long and the sleep too
broken up.
that's too bad, jeanne. please get thee to a doctor quickly! don't wait
until it's more unbearable.
~cindy
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21 Jul 2007 11:26:53 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:49:22 -0500, "used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com>
wrote:
that's too bad, jeanne. please get thee to a doctor quickly! don't wait
until it's more unbearable.
~cindy
Thanks, Cindy. You know, I was thinking about you yesterday. I was
with friends at the shopping mall, and I bought chocolates for my
husband at Godiva. Godiva chocolates are usually a special treat for
him for special occasions, and today is our anniversary. Anyway, I
bought the chocolates and knew I couldn't sneak them into the house
without his notice, so I gave them to him early saying, Happy
Anniversary a day early. He accepted the present and admitted that
he'd completely forgotten about our anniversary!
So I am now officially off your husband's case! And I guess the lesson
here is: Remind him. LOL!
And back to the original topic, I will make that appointment with my
doc. Thank you. Jeanne
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| User: "used2be" |
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22 Jul 2007 01:34:11 PM |
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<jeanne@nycmail.com> wrote
So I am now officially off your husband's case! And I guess the lesson
here is: Remind him. LOL!
hee hee...what a concept!!!
And back to the original topic, I will make that appointment with my
doc. Thank you. Jeanne
you better do that dahlin...right away.
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| User: "cal" |
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21 Jul 2007 03:13:46 PM |
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On 7/21/07 2:43 PM, in article 7tsoi.54650$LL7.34274@fe08.news.easynews.com,
"RGB" <asd071907@Use.Organization> wrote:
In article <46a25133$0$12197$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat? geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
That does seem a little odd, even for evaluating response to medication
in general.
otherwise, i'd pretty much agree with the study. that exercise helps with
depression. but, in my past experience, when i was in one of my severe
phases and none of the medications i was trying was helping (in fact, some
were making matters worse), exercise was completely out of the question.
there were days that i couldn't even walk across the room, much less walk
around the block or jump on a treadmill. if i had even attempted to do
those things at the time, i would have collapsed in a heap and wept in
unbearable agony. some days i did that very thing just simply because i had
woken up.
I hear you (about the difficulty). But I'm guessing you were just trying
to maintain that exercise regimen on your own, yes? It might have been
more doable if you were working with a doctor who had prescribed
exercise with the formality and specificity of prescribing a drug.
Sometimes I wish I had someone like that to help me, since exercise is
*very* helpful for me but I've gotten very bad about it lately.
(Actually, they do have personal trainers, but they're probably even
more expensive than doctors.)
the common reason why exercise programs poop out is that they're too
ambitious. few people are willing to put themselves through physical torture
and near-death experiences three times a week for the long haul. so people
stick with it for a few weeks and then stop. the ones who don't... well,
sometimes they die. i've known two people who died while jogging.
the first thing i'd recommend to people who are serious about it is
investing in a heart rate monitor, so they know what their ticker is up to
while they're working out. it's the single most important indicator of what
we can do without CV distress. your GP can tell you what pulse rates to aim
for and not exceed while exercising. apparently even a moderately elevated
exercising pulse is very beneficial if sustained for at least 20 minutes
three times a week.
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| User: "RGB" |
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21 Jul 2007 04:28:33 PM |
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cal <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote:
the common reason why exercise programs poop out is that they're too
ambitious.
I believe it. Which is why at first, the main thing is to just do it on
some kind of regular basis. Slow walking for 20 minutes twice a week
won't do much for your mental or physical health, but it will get you
into a routine you can eventually ramp up into something that *will* do
you some real good.
By the way, I think this is a fairly common trick practiced by
commercial fitness centers: push somebody ridiculously hard right away
so they drop out after a month (having signed, of course, a 2 year
contract), making room for new suckers.
the first thing i'd recommend to people who are serious about it is
investing in a heart rate monitor
I'm into those, too, I love it that the treadmills I use can read my
chest band's signal, providing a continuous readout right in front of
me. But man, you want to see flames, check out a running group on this
subject. Anti-HRM people are *rabid* about the evil of these things,
they're fucking nuts.
Mark
P.S. --- I *love* this guy's audio workouts: http://www.cardiocoach.com
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| User: "cal" |
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21 Jul 2007 02:48:17 PM |
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On 7/21/07 2:32 PM, in article 46a25133$0$12197$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com...
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
The study found that depressed women who started a supervised exercise
regimen had significant improvements in their symptoms over the next
eight months. Those who didn't exercise showed only marginal
improvements.
Before the study, all of the women had tried taking antidepressant
medication for at least two months but had failed to improve.
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat?
if someone doesn't respond to an AD after two months, it isn't working.
there's nothing there about "difficult to treat". at that point they might
boost the dose or try another one. in this case they decided to try adding
an exercise program.
geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
hunny-bunny's.
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| User: "used2be" |
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| Title: Re: Exercise May Help Hard-to-Treat Depression |
21 Jul 2007 10:16:24 PM |
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"cal" <cal1360@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:C2C7DB41.148A4%cal1360@gmail.com...
On 7/21/07 2:32 PM, in article 46a25133$0$12197$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat?
if someone doesn't respond to an AD after two months, it isn't working.
there's nothing there about "difficult to treat".
the topic of the article says, "exercise may help hard-to-treat depression."
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Exercise May Help Hard-to-Treat Depression |
25 Jul 2007 05:44:47 PM |
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In message <C2C7DB41.148A4%cal1360@gmail.com>, cal <cal1360@gmail.com>
writes
On 7/21/07 2:32 PM, in article 46a25133$0$12197$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com...
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
The study found that depressed women who started a supervised exercise
regimen had significant improvements in their symptoms over the next
eight months. Those who didn't exercise showed only marginal
improvements.
Before the study, all of the women had tried taking antidepressant
medication for at least two months but had failed to improve.
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat?
if someone doesn't respond to an AD after two months, it isn't working.
there's nothing there about "difficult to treat". at that point they might
boost the dose or try another one. in this case they decided to try adding
an exercise program.
So the thread title is irrelevant to the research, then? Not responding
to the first AD dosage does not make someone's depression
"hard-to-treat", and it's hardly news that exercise can help.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: Exercise May Help Hard-to-Treat Depression |
21 Jul 2007 03:24:09 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:32:21 -0500, "used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com...
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
The study found that depressed women who started a supervised exercise
regimen had significant improvements in their symptoms over the next
eight months. Those who didn't exercise showed only marginal
improvements.
Before the study, all of the women had tried taking antidepressant
medication for at least two months but had failed to improve.
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat? geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
otherwise, i'd pretty much agree with the study. that exercise helps with
depression. but, in my past experience, when i was in one of my severe
phases and none of the medications i was trying was helping (in fact, some
were making matters worse), exercise was completely out of the question.
there were days that i couldn't even walk across the room, much less walk
around the block or jump on a treadmill. if i had even attempted to do
those things at the time, i would have collapsed in a heap and wept in
unbearable agony. some days i did that very thing just simply because i had
woken up.
~u2b
Brings to mind a series of books a neighbor prescribed for me. She
said that no way anyone could read those books in the manner
recommended and be depressed. she was right, no way could anyone who
was depressed read those books.
Charles
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| User: "used2be" |
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| Title: Re: Exercise May Help Hard-to-Treat Depression |
21 Jul 2007 10:17:03 PM |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:aoq4a3l44ejloiag7pi7oa12p71gqp31dm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:32:21 -0500, "used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com...
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
The study found that depressed women who started a supervised exercise
regimen had significant improvements in their symptoms over the next
eight months. Those who didn't exercise showed only marginal
improvements.
Before the study, all of the women had tried taking antidepressant
medication for at least two months but had failed to improve.
they consider TWO MONTHS to be enough time to decide that someone is
difficult to treat? geez, what do they consider folks like *me*??
otherwise, i'd pretty much agree with the study. that exercise helps with
depression. but, in my past experience, when i was in one of my severe
phases and none of the medications i was trying was helping (in fact, some
were making matters worse), exercise was completely out of the question.
there were days that i couldn't even walk across the room, much less walk
around the block or jump on a treadmill. if i had even attempted to do
those things at the time, i would have collapsed in a heap and wept in
unbearable agony. some days i did that very thing just simply because i
had
woken up.
~u2b
Brings to mind a series of books a neighbor prescribed for me. She
said that no way anyone could read those books in the manner
recommended and be depressed. she was right, no way could anyone who
was depressed read those books.
i think i have read those books.
:/
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Exercise May Help Hard-to-Treat Depression |
25 Jul 2007 04:25:39 PM |
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In message <10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com>, Charles
<ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> writes
Regular exercise may improve depression symptoms in people who've
failed to get better with antidepressant medication, the results of a
small study suggest.
Phew! I respond to an antidepressant, so I don't need to exercise.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: Exercise May Help Hard-to-Treat Depression |
21 Jul 2007 02:36:09 PM |
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On 7/21/07 1:37 PM, in article 10h4a31in9v0nkbf5egum3lhgolv1jr1t1@4ax.com,
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
The study included 30 women ages 40 to 60 who'd been diagnosed with
major depression. The researchers randomly assigned the women to
either stick with antidepressants alone or to start an exercise
program. All of the patients continued to take their medication.
The exercisers worked out as a group twice a week for one hour, using
cardio-fitness machines. At the beginning of the study and eight
months later, women in both groups completed standard measures used to
assess depression severity.
i exercise on cardio equipment every second day, following a regime that
includes keeping my pulse at 85% of peak for 40 minutes and then at 70% for
30 minutes. i can anecdotally vouch for the study conclusions: slacking off
on this routine for more than a week or two has a significant negative
impact on my mood and stress levels. but it's not the only thing that does,
and i wouldn't depend on it alone. i'm capable of getting so depressed for
other reasons that i become unable to exercise.
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