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"GlennT" |
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18 Jan 2006 01:39:19 AM |
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Eyes of children |
I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of
my two youngest sons. I have always encouraged them to talk
freely. I pass comment but don't judge what they say. They are
free to talk about anything which means I know more about Gameboy
Pokeman than I would rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply
embedded earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense,
her openess and her willingness to forgive. She has areas that
grate, of course, but she is a wonderful mother. There are many
wonderful mothers on this group. I think I've learnt to recognize
them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question
with fact rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion
as coming from me if I think I need to comment. They seem to
understand the duality of father and person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full
of promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It
is simple love and anger. It is performance for the first,
butterfly wings drying in the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
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| User: "Rhiannon" |
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18 Jan 2006 03:12:23 AM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
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I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of
my two youngest sons. I have always encouraged them to talk
freely. I pass comment but don't judge what they say. They are
free to talk about anything which means I know more about Gameboy
Pokeman than I would rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply
embedded earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense,
her openess and her willingness to forgive. She has areas that
grate, of course, but she is a wonderful mother. There are many
wonderful mothers on this group. I think I've learnt to recognize
them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question
with fact rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion
as coming from me if I think I need to comment. They seem to
understand the duality of father and person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full
of promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It
is simple love and anger. It is performance for the first,
butterfly wings drying in the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
This is beautiful Glen. You're children are blessed. So are we in that you
can express it and share it. Thanks. :)
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
The Labyrinth
http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
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| User: "packrat" |
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| Title: Re: Eyes of children |
18 Jan 2006 02:42:43 PM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
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I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of my two
youngest sons.
I do this too, especially through my youngest who has such a unique view of
the world. Both my kids at home are incredible kids, but there's something
so unique about him that I find myself just watching him looking into his
eyes and trying to soak in a little "Ben-ness" into my own self. It's hard
to explain, so maybe I better quit.
I have always encouraged them to talk
freely. I pass comment but don't judge what they say. They are free to
talk about anything which means I know more about Gameboy Pokeman than I
would rather.
heh, you're doing good then Glenn, very good. I've accidently washed more
pokemon and yu-gi-oh cards in the last 3 years than I should have and all
were his *favorite* and tears were shed.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply embedded
earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense, her openess and
her willingness to forgive. She has areas that grate, of course, but she
is a wonderful mother. There are many wonderful mothers on this group. I
think I've learnt to recognize them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question with fact
rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion as coming from me if
I think I need to comment. They seem to understand the duality of father
and person.
that's an achievement. IMHO, stands above many other achievements to the
rest of the world such as degrees, careers. They know and apprecieate their
father as a father and a person and know that their father see's them as
more than just son's but individuals.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full of
promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It is simple
love and anger. It is performance for the first, butterfly wings drying in
the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
these are the posts that make me feel all mushy inside Glenn. You're
blessed, your kids and wife are blessed. I'm not saying life is a piece of
cake for all of you and I know there have been a lot of heartaches for you.
You're a good dad, and those are sometimes a rare commodity.
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: Eyes of children |
19 Jan 2006 12:28:11 AM |
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packrat wrote:
"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
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I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of my two
youngest sons.
I do this too, especially through my youngest who has such a unique view of
the world. Both my kids at home are incredible kids, but there's something
so unique about him that I find myself just watching him looking into his
eyes and trying to soak in a little "Ben-ness" into my own self. It's hard
to explain, so maybe I better quit.
Yet you have explained it perfectly. Then it is a good time to quit.
I have always encouraged them to talk
freely. I pass comment but don't judge what they say. They are free to
talk about anything which means I know more about Gameboy Pokeman than I
would rather.
heh, you're doing good then Glenn, very good. I've accidently washed more
pokemon and yu-gi-oh cards in the last 3 years than I should have and all
were his *favorite* and tears were shed.
It's amazing what is important to them. Tears cleanse the soul.
Particularly in males.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply embedded
earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense, her openess and
her willingness to forgive. She has areas that grate, of course, but she
is a wonderful mother. There are many wonderful mothers on this group. I
think I've learnt to recognize them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question with fact
rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion as coming from me if
I think I need to comment. They seem to understand the duality of father
and person.
that's an achievement. IMHO, stands above many other achievements to the
rest of the world such as degrees, careers. They know and apprecieate their
father as a father and a person and know that their father see's them as
more than just son's but individuals.
Exactly! I want to be both. Can I be both? I think so.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full of
promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It is simple
love and anger. It is performance for the first, butterfly wings drying in
the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
these are the posts that make me feel all mushy inside Glenn. You're
blessed, your kids and wife are blessed. I'm not saying life is a piece of
cake for all of you and I know there have been a lot of heartaches for you.
You're a good dad, and those are sometimes a rare commodity.
It seems I hit a mushy nerve with this post. I didn't mean to. I
just had something to say. Thank you to you and the others who I
have not responded to. Thanks for seeing what I see and
understanding what I meant. People keep telling me I am a good
writer but this is the part they don't understand:
I grew up *having* to express myself well to be heard. Therefore
I am not a "good" writer I am a careful one. Everything is stolen
and presented to help me get myself across to others. I have made
a science of expressing my soul. That is not a good writer in my
book. It is just necessary. If it rings a bell it is because it
was designed to.
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| User: "packrat" |
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19 Jan 2006 01:20:14 AM |
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I find myself just watching him looking into his
eyes and trying to soak in a little "Ben-ness" into my own self. It's
hard to explain, so maybe I better quit.
Yet you have explained it perfectly. Then it is a good time to quit.
Thanks and you're right. Sometimes I feel so inadequate in describing what
I see in him and I want to get that across. That's not really possible
since I'm one of the few fortunate to live this close to him (Ben). I
suppose, till he's out in the world this is my special time to soak it up.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question with
fact rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion as coming from
me if I think I need to comment. They seem to understand the duality of
father and person.
that's an achievement. IMHO, stands above many other achievements to
the rest of the world such as degrees, careers. They know and
apprecieate their father as a father and a person and know that their
father see's them as more than just son's but individuals.
Exactly! I want to be both. Can I be both? I think so.
yes you can have both. I was under the impression that you did have both.
That's my perception from 3000 plus miles away via usenet.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full of
promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It is simple
love and anger. It is performance for the first, butterfly wings drying
in the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
these are the posts that make me feel all mushy inside Glenn. You're
blessed, your kids and wife are blessed. I'm not saying life is a piece
of cake for all of you and I know there have been a lot of heartaches for
you.
You're a good dad, and those are sometimes a rare commodity.
It seems I hit a mushy nerve with this post. I didn't mean to.
you did with me reguardless of what was going on in my life, but also
especially what has and is going on in my life. As all 3 of my children
have had fathers who have walked out and left them to face life without a
dad. Reading this just brings to light something that they have missed out
on, on many levels. So yeah, it makes me a bit sad and mushy, but also
happy for your family that you're the father that you are.
I
just had something to say. Thank you to you and the others who I have not
responded to. Thanks for seeing what I see and understanding what I meant.
People keep telling me I am a good writer but this is the part they don't
understand:
I grew up *having* to express myself well to be heard. Therefore I am not
a "good" writer I am a careful one. Everything is stolen and presented to
help me get myself across to others. I have made a science of expressing
my soul. That is not a good writer in my book. It is just necessary. If it
rings a bell it is because it was designed to.
It does ring a bell and I beg to differ that you are a good writer, although
I understand your perspective and rational that you aren't. I don't care to
get in a silly debate if you are or aren't. You're quite successful in
expressing your soul. I would like to learn this science too.
Thank you again for posting this.
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| User: "ponette" |
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19 Jan 2006 08:33:06 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:20:14 GMT, "packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com>
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You're quite successful in
expressing your soul. I would like to learn this science too.
It's not a science. It's both a skill (something that may be learned)
and an art. The latter is what Glenn isn't taking credit for.
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| User: "packrat" |
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19 Jan 2006 10:06:27 AM |
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"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:20:14 GMT, "packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You're quite successful in
expressing your soul. I would like to learn this science too.
It's not a science. It's both a skill (something that may be learned)
and an art. The latter is what Glenn isn't taking credit for.
p
yes I'm very much aware of this. Thank you for pointing this out to me.
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| User: "ponette" |
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20 Jan 2006 08:12:37 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:06:27 GMT, "packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com>
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"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:20:14 GMT, "packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You're quite successful in
expressing your soul. I would like to learn this science too.
It's not a science. It's both a skill (something that may be learned)
and an art. The latter is what Glenn isn't taking credit for.
p
yes I'm very much aware of this. Thank you for pointing this out to m
I don't know if you meant to, but you "sound" sarcastic. I didn't mean
anything negative by it, and it certainly wasn't meant personally. I
was trying to remind Glenn that he doesn't write well simply because
he is "careful," he writes well because he is careful, among other
things, *and* because he is an artist.
p
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| User: "GlennT" |
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| Title: Re: Eyes of children |
20 Jan 2006 06:20:37 PM |
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ponette wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:06:27 GMT, "packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0n8vs1lrubnjs2sgo8bsemrb8vab4sjn49@4ax.com...
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:20:14 GMT, "packrat" <maddienospam@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You're quite successful in
expressing your soul. I would like to learn this science too.
It's not a science. It's both a skill (something that may be learned)
and an art. The latter is what Glenn isn't taking credit for.
p
yes I'm very much aware of this. Thank you for pointing this out to m
I don't know if you meant to, but you "sound" sarcastic. I didn't mean
anything negative by it, and it certainly wasn't meant personally. I
was trying to remind Glenn that he doesn't write well simply because
he is "careful," he writes well because he is careful, among other
things, *and* because he is an artist.
p
Well, this is all doing my ego the world of good... ;)
To try and be clear. I have had a degree of talent since I was
born in various creative fields. What my childhood turned it into
was a device for quality of life. I was a compulsive and very
talented liar.
I have spent my adult years stopping that and trying to stick
only to the truth. I don't mind expressing myself to make a point
but "writing" is something that I find too unpleasant. It means
letting go of the buoy I have discovered and drifting away into
the flat featureless sea. The threat of 'drowning' in an idea or
character, is too real.
Here, ASD, I can pretend I am talking so it feels different.
Holding onto centre means staying in the real world as much as
possible. Writing is bad for me.
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| User: "ponette" |
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19 Jan 2006 08:31:29 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:28:11 +1300, GlennT <askme@noname.nz> wrote:
Therefore
I am not a "good" writer I am a careful one.
You can be both. And in my opinion, are.
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| User: "Wanda" |
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18 Jan 2006 10:24:02 PM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:Pgmzf.15899$vH5.841468@news.xtra.co.nz...
I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of my two
youngest sons. I have always encouraged them to talk freely. I pass
comment but don't judge what they say. They are free to talk about
anything which means I know more about Gameboy Pokeman than I would
rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply embedded
earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense, her openess and
her willingness to forgive. She has areas that grate, of course, but she
is a wonderful mother. There are many wonderful mothers on this group. I
think I've learnt to recognize them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question with fact
rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion as coming from me if
I think I need to comment. They seem to understand the duality of father
and person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full of
promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It is simple
love and anger. It is performance for the first, butterfly wings drying in
the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
Beautiful words Glenn. I cannot imagine my life without children, and I
feel sorry for those who have none, even if it is by choice.
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| User: "GlennT" |
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19 Jan 2006 12:31:20 AM |
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Wanda wrote:
"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:Pgmzf.15899$vH5.841468@news.xtra.co.nz...
I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of my two
youngest sons. I have always encouraged them to talk freely. I pass
comment but don't judge what they say. They are free to talk about
anything which means I know more about Gameboy Pokeman than I would
rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply embedded
earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense, her openess and
her willingness to forgive. She has areas that grate, of course, but she
is a wonderful mother. There are many wonderful mothers on this group. I
think I've learnt to recognize them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question with fact
rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion as coming from me if
I think I need to comment. They seem to understand the duality of father
and person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full of
promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It is simple
love and anger. It is performance for the first, butterfly wings drying in
the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
Beautiful words Glenn. I cannot imagine my life without children, and I
feel sorry for those who have none, even if it is by choice.
Sometimes you just have to see it to believe it. Parenting is a
journey that we mostly find ourselves on. To disregard the signs
is the best way to get lost. Thanks for your kind words and to
the other kind words that always make me feel a little better.
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| User: "John" |
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18 Jan 2006 02:12:09 AM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:Pgmzf.15899$vH5.841468@news.xtra.co.nz...
I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of my two
youngest sons. I have always encouraged them to talk freely. I pass
comment but don't judge what they say. They are free to talk about
anything which means I know more about Gameboy Pokeman than I would
rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply embedded
earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense, her openess and
her willingness to forgive. She has areas that grate, of course, but she
is a wonderful mother. There are many wonderful mothers on this group. I
think I've learnt to recognize them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question with fact
rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion as coming from me if
I think I need to comment. They seem to understand the duality of father
and person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full of
promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It is simple
love and anger. It is performance for the first, butterfly wings drying in
the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
Nicely said.
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| User: "Jane" |
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18 Jan 2006 08:19:51 PM |
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"GlennT" <askme@noname.nz> wrote in message
news:Pgmzf.15899$vH5.841468@news.xtra.co.nz...
I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of my two
youngest sons. I have always encouraged them to talk freely. I pass
comment but don't judge what they say. They are free to talk about
anything which means I know more about Gameboy Pokeman than I would
rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply embedded
earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense, her openess and
her willingness to forgive. She has areas that grate, of course, but she
is a wonderful mother. There are many wonderful mothers on this group. I
think I've learnt to recognize them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question with fact
rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion as coming from me if
I think I need to comment. They seem to understand the duality of father
and person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full of
promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It is simple
love and anger. It is performance for the first, butterfly wings drying in
the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
This is beautiful Glenn, you have a wonderful way of expressing yourself...
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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18 Jan 2006 01:11:40 PM |
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GlennT wrote...
I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and
minds of my two youngest sons. I have always encouraged
them to talk freely. I pass comment but don't judge what
they say. They are free to talk about anything which means
I know more about Gameboy Pokeman than I would rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother
(deeply embedded earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her
common sense, her openess and her willingness to forgive.
She has areas that grate, of course, but she is a wonderful
mother. There are many wonderful mothers on this group. I
think I've learnt to recognize them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any
question with fact rather than opinion and then I'll tack
on the opinion as coming from me if I think I need to
comment. They seem to understand the duality of father and
person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and
full of promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to
learn. It is simple love and anger. It is performance for
the first, butterfly wings drying in the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
you have very lucky boys, glenn. and they have a blessed
father.
-lisa
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| User: "ponette" |
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18 Jan 2006 09:05:53 AM |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:39:19 +1300, GlennT <askme@noname.nz> wrote:
I live part of my life vicariously through the eyes and minds of
my two youngest sons. I have always encouraged them to talk
freely. I pass comment but don't judge what they say. They are
free to talk about anything which means I know more about Gameboy
Pokeman than I would rather.
They are so excitied about life and living. Their mother (deeply
embedded earth woman) is such a rock for them. Her common sense,
her openess and her willingness to forgive. She has areas that
grate, of course, but she is a wonderful mother. There are many
wonderful mothers on this group. I think I've learnt to recognize
them.
Back to my children. My boys see that I will answer any question
with fact rather than opinion and then I'll tack on the opinion
as coming from me if I think I need to comment. They seem to
understand the duality of father and person.
What I receive is a window to a new world. It is fresh and full
of promise. It is a continuous wonder and a keeness to learn. It
is simple love and anger. It is performance for the first,
butterfly wings drying in the warm sun.
It is where beauty always lies.
Beautifully written. "Butterly wings drying in the warm sun."
Exquisite visual. And apt.
I love my kid. You sound like great parents to yours.
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| User: "Hexe" |
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18 Jan 2006 03:31:22 AM |
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when my son was young i enjoyed seeing the world through his eyes. i
didn't want him to grow up.
he was perfect until he started school where he learned what NO meant
and when to use it. from there it was downhill all the way.
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:Thought for the journey:
If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
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| User: "GlennT" |
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19 Jan 2006 12:20:12 AM |
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Hexe wrote:
when my son was young i enjoyed seeing the world through his eyes. i
didn't want him to grow up.
he was perfect until he started school where he learned what NO meant
and when to use it. from there it was downhill all the way.
I hear the pain. Do you feel you have failed him in some way?
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| User: "Hexe" |
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21 Jan 2006 12:27:42 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:20:12 +1300, GlennT <askme@noname.nz> wrote:
I hear the pain. Do you feel you have failed him in some way?
i failed him in every way. i was so self-absorbed from depression that
i rarely saw him. i fed him, and clothed him and gave him shelter but
not much else. i created his life - mea culpa.
you read about time not being lineal that all time is now, every where
is here. i want to step aside and re-enter my life in 1968 and turn it
all around if possible. i read about quantum theory and try to
understand it so that i can use it for time travel. i also believe in
blue fairies.
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:Hexe
:Thought for the journey:
It's time to pull over and let the air out of your brain.
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