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"humble.life" |
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16 Feb 2006 11:17:17 AM |
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facism is on the rise again |
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 11:41:06 AM |
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On 2006-02-16, humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
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I went across the river, I lay down to sleep.
When I woke up, had shackles on my feet.
It takes a worried man to sing a worried song.
It takes a worried man to sing a worried song.
I'm worried now, but I won't be worried long.
Twenty-one links of chain around my leg,
Twenty-one links of chain around my leg,
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 01:29:08 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:17:17 +0000, "humble.life" <nospam@nospam.net>
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and i'm worried
Every generation believes it is the end of the world.
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People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to
harass rich women than motorcycle gangs.
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| User: "humble.life" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 04:16:43 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:17:17 +0000, "humble.life" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
and i'm worried
Every generation believes it is the end of the world.
nono, the enlightenment lot didn't, the greek didn't, and the ones that
did, were right
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 04:33:08 PM |
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humble.life wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:17:17 +0000, "humble.life" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
and i'm worried
Every generation believes it is the end of the world.
nono, the enlightenment lot didn't, the greek didn't, and the ones that
did, were right
How could it be the end of the world if we're still here? You know, "I
think, therefore, I am", that whole thing.
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| User: "humble.life" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 04:41:08 PM |
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Janithor wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
humble.life wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:17:17 +0000, "humble.life" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
and i'm worried
Every generation believes it is the end of the world.
nono, the enlightenment lot didn't, the greek didn't, and the ones
that did, were right
How could it be the end of the world if we're still here? You know, "I
think, therefore, I am", that whole thing.
it's more to do with recognising that things are going to get extremely
bad in comparison to the comfortable norm...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 07:36:01 PM |
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humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
-"alvintchase"
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 07:57:15 PM |
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On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
-"alvintchase"
So what is preferable?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 09:32:34 PM |
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Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
-"alvintchase"
So what is preferable?
I don't know, maybe a socialist society?
-"alvintchase"
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 10:35:53 PM |
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On 16 Feb 2006 19:32:34 -0800, wrote:
Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
-"alvintchase"
So what is preferable?
I don't know, maybe a socialist society?
-"alvintchase"
Maybe, but I don't see one of those working without oppression either.
I don't much believe in the perfectibility of other people. I trust
myself (sometimes) but my faith in the great unwashed masses is not so
good.
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| User: "Janithor" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
17 Feb 2006 03:19:20 AM |
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Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 19:32:34 -0800, wrote:
Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
-"alvintchase"
So what is preferable?
I don't know, maybe a socialist society?
-"alvintchase"
Maybe, but I don't see one of those working without oppression either.
I don't much believe in the perfectibility of other people. I trust
myself (sometimes) but my faith in the great unwashed masses is not so
good.
Oh yee of little faith.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
17 Feb 2006 04:47:33 AM |
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On 16 Feb 2006 19:32:34 -0800, wrote:
Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
So what is preferable?
I don't know, maybe a socialist society?
Nazi Germany *was* socialist.
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At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled
children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and
useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.
- P.J. O'Rourke
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| User: "humble.life" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
17 Feb 2006 07:40:23 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 19:32:34 -0800, wrote:
Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
So what is preferable?
I don't know, maybe a socialist society?
Nazi Germany *was* socialist.
well, no, not quite. it's neighbours were taking all of its resources
and it had to do something. they found it hard because they were the
only ones working on improvements and advances in comparison to its
neighbours.
not endorsing the route it took, but, well, that's the bit that went wrong.
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| User: "gravity" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
16 Feb 2006 10:39:51 PM |
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as the broker said to Gordon Gecko "how much is enough? how many boats can
you waterski behind?"
i think a lot of capitalism is about Greed.
Gravity
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Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
-"alvintchase"
So what is preferable?
I don't know, maybe a socialist society?
-"alvintchase"
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| User: "gravity" |
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16 Feb 2006 10:39:05 PM |
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dear Alvin, someone can have a good standard of living on $50,000 a year. i
think people are just greedy and want to be snobs. this is why we live in a
capitalist country.
Gravity
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news:1140147154.393542.226660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Charles wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
-"alvintchase"
So what is preferable?
I don't know, maybe a socialist society?
-"alvintchase"
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| User: "humble.life" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
17 Feb 2006 07:38:39 AM |
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gravity wrote:
dear Alvin, someone can have a good standard of living on $50,000 a year. i
think people are just greedy and want to be snobs. this is why we live in a
capitalist country.
Absolutely.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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| Title: Re: facism is on the rise again |
17 Feb 2006 04:44:23 AM |
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On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
Therefore security lies in slavery? Give people no rights and no choices
and then all are equal?
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"My life, and by extension everyone else's, is meaningless."
- Bender Bending Rodriguez
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| User: "humble.life" |
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17 Feb 2006 07:43:24 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On 16 Feb 2006 17:36:01 -0800, wrote:
humble.life wrote:
and i'm worried
I was just listening to Alan Watts talk about this topic, from a
lecture he gave during from the late 60's or early 70's... He said that
in an insecure, rugged individualist society such as the U.S., there is
always much more conformity then there is in a secure society, we
expect everyone to look the same, act the same etc... and we look at
everyone as equal, but equal in the sense of no one being worthy, and
that this quickly leads to fascism...
Therefore security lies in slavery? Give people no rights and no choices
and then all are equal?
Well, it's about making the high-earners recognise that they are NOT
doing the jobs of nurses, firemen and teachers who get paid a tenth of
what they get.... handling the stress of prestige and power is not the
stress of homelesses, or nursing, or saving lives....
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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18 Feb 2006 10:05:33 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:43:24 +0000, "humble.life" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
CyberDroog wrote:
Therefore security lies in slavery? Give people no rights and no choices
and then all are equal?
Well, it's about making the high-earners recognise that they are NOT
doing the jobs of nurses, firemen and teachers who get paid a tenth of
what they get.... handling the stress of prestige and power is not the
stress of homelesses, or nursing, or saving lives....
Nurses and firemen get paid what the market will bear. Notice that now
there is a shortage of nurses, the wages have gone way up. As for firemen,
many would do it for no pay at all. Many do, in the hundreds of volunteer
FD's across the country. Not all wages are in the form of cash.
Teacher's? Judging by how American students are performing, I'd say
teacher's are paid way too much.
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