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"CyberDroog" |
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31 Mar 2005 10:35:52 AM |
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Facts Still Screwed Up |
A Fox anchor once again uttered a stupid comment about Michael Schiavo
"apparently being the common law husband of another woman..."
Why can't people get simple facts through their skulls?
Common law marriages can't occur in Florida. (Though Florida will recognize
a common law marriage from a state that does support the concept.)
Michael Schiavo was legally married to Terri Schiavo. Even in a state that
supports common law marriages, a man who is already legally married cannot
become the common law husband of another woman. You cannot be guilty of
bigamy by default.
I've seen the common law argument used on other networks, so it isn't just
Fox. But Jesus, anchors are not the brightest bulbs in the pack.
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If there is something to gain and nothing to lose by asking, by all means
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31 Mar 2005 07:19:37 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:e09o41tfuem4lqk4cbp0bc9g51vbhv1ac2@4ax.com...
A Fox anchor once again uttered a stupid comment about Michael Schiavo
"apparently being the common law husband of another woman..."
Why can't people get simple facts through their skulls?
We can stop the discussion after: fox news and misinformation
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| User: "AlvinTChase" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:40:39 AM |
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Franz Bestuchev wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:e09o41tfuem4lqk4cbp0bc9g51vbhv1ac2@4ax.com...
A Fox anchor once again uttered a stupid comment about Michael
Schiavo
"apparently being the common law husband of another woman..."
Why can't people get simple facts through their skulls?
We can stop the discussion after: fox news and misinformation
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "Used2be" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:49:34 AM |
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"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112366439.049064.213030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:e09o41tfuem4lqk4cbp0bc9g51vbhv1ac2@4ax.com...
A Fox anchor once again uttered a stupid comment about Michael
Schiavo
"apparently being the common law husband of another woman..."
Why can't people get simple facts through their skulls?
We can stop the discussion after: fox news and misinformation
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
yeah, and CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are such shining examples of fair news
reporting.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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01 Apr 2005 10:13:33 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:49:34 GMT, "Used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
yeah, and CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are such shining examples of fair news
reporting.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nearly useless arguing that with the sort of people who believe Al
Jazeera is the only valid news source in the world.
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ASPERSE, v.t. Maliciously to ascribe to another vicious actions which one
has not had the temptation and opportunity to commit.
- Ambrose Bierce
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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01 Apr 2005 08:15:55 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:49:34 GMT, "Used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
yeah, and CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are such shining examples of fair news
reporting.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nearly useless arguing that with the sort of people who believe Al
Jazeera is the only valid news source in the world.
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ASPERSE, v.t. Maliciously to ascribe to another vicious actions which one
has not had the temptation and opportunity to commit.
- Ambrose Bierce
news.bbc.co.uk
english.aljazeera.net
www.aftenposten.no/english/
theaustralian.com.au
www.smh.com.au
www.japantimes.co.jp
then I read my crappy local paper so I know what the city council is going
to do with the next round of sewer pipe planning
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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02 Apr 2005 12:39:17 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:15:55 -0700, "Franz Bestuchev"
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
then I read my crappy local paper so I know what the city council is going
to do with the next round of sewer pipe planning
Write the editors a letter and suggest the city do what the Milwaukee
Metropolitan Sewerage District does - just dump the raw sewage into lake
Michigan.
The #1 polluter in the state of Wisconsin is a government entity. It's
good to be the king!
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"'Stupid' means one thing: threatening to the interests of the Democratic
Party. The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and
hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be."
- Ann Coulter
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| User: "AlvinTChase" |
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01 Apr 2005 10:25:21 AM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:49:34 GMT, "Used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or
"balanced"
about the news on that station...
yeah, and CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are such shining examples of fair
news
reporting.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nearly useless arguing that with the sort of people who believe
Al
Jazeera is the only valid news source in the world.
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I don't think that,but I think people know by now that while on one
level,I have fairly moderate views,on other levels(paticularly on an
emotional level),I'm for any view that is extremly left wing...
-"Alvintchase"
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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01 Apr 2005 01:02:48 PM |
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On 2005-04-01, CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:49:34 GMT, "Used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
yeah, and CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are such shining examples of fair news
reporting.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nearly useless arguing that with the sort of people who believe Al
Jazeera is the only valid news source in the world.
To balance one extreme, the quickest result is achieved by using an opposite
extreme. Not that al Jazeera is particularly 'extreme', except in it's
being Not American.
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-- Whiskers
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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01 Apr 2005 03:45:33 PM |
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"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
On 2005-04-01, CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:49:34 GMT, "Used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
yeah, and CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are such shining examples of fair news
reporting.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nearly useless arguing that with the sort of people who believe Al
Jazeera is the only valid news source in the world.
To balance one extreme, the quickest result is achieved by using an opposite
extreme. Not that al Jazeera is particularly 'extreme', except in it's
being Not American.
Of course, to somebody who has Fox as his main
source of information, Al Jazeera must appear
extreme.
The real problem the US have is not Fox, though.
The real problem the US have is that they
have a two party system where both major parties
are very similar.
Thomas
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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01 Apr 2005 04:25:18 PM |
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On 2005-04-01, Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote:
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"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
On 2005-04-01, CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:49:34 GMT, "Used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
yeah, and CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are such shining examples of fair news
reporting.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nearly useless arguing that with the sort of people who believe Al
Jazeera is the only valid news source in the world.
To balance one extreme, the quickest result is achieved by using an opposite
extreme. Not that al Jazeera is particularly 'extreme', except in it's
being Not American.
Of course, to somebody who has Fox as his main
source of information, Al Jazeera must appear
extreme.
The real problem the US have is not Fox, though.
The real problem the US have is that they
have a two party system where both major parties
are very similar.
Both are funded by the same people, so their similarity isn't surprising.
I think the deeper malaise is in the gerrymandering of constituencies and
the excessive and often hidden funding of unlimited advertising for the
barely distinguishable candidates put forward by the financiers.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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01 Apr 2005 06:39:47 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:25:18 +0100, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
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Both are funded by the same people, so their similarity isn't surprising.
I think the deeper malaise is in the gerrymandering of constituencies and
the excessive and often hidden funding of unlimited advertising for the
barely distinguishable candidates put forward by the financiers.
With all the supposed problems the people still get what they want - the
illusion of fucking their neighbors while they get it in the *****
themselves.
The system works!
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Very deep. You should send that into Reader's Digest, they've got a page
for people like you.
- Douglas Adams
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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01 Apr 2005 03:57:06 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:45:33 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
To balance one extreme, the quickest result is achieved by using an opposite
extreme. Not that al Jazeera is particularly 'extreme', except in it's
being Not American.
Of course, to somebody who has Fox as his main
source of information, Al Jazeera must appear
extreme.
So you don't feel Al Jazeera is extreme at all? I could have guessed that.
The real problem the US have is not Fox, though.
The real problem the US have is that they
have a two party system where both major parties
are very similar.
I think some foreigners misinterpret this. We aren't a two party system by
law. You can vote for anyone you want.
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MONDAY, n. In Christian countries, the day after the baseball game.
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| User: "Thomas Dehn" |
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01 Apr 2005 04:33:53 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:45:33 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
To balance one extreme, the quickest result is achieved by using an opposite
extreme. Not that al Jazeera is particularly 'extreme', except in it's
being Not American.
Of course, to somebody who has Fox as his main
source of information, Al Jazeera must appear
extreme.
So you don't feel Al Jazeera is extreme at all?
The question is not what I feel, the question is
what the Arab customers of Al Jazeera think.
Al Jazeera is not extreme compared to other Arab TV stations,
such as, say, Saddam's Iraq TV before the US invasion.
I really doubt that the Al Jazeera customers
think that Al Jazeera is extreme. Probably some
potential Al Jazeera customer think that Al Jazeera
is soft.
The real problem the US have is not Fox, though.
The real problem the US have is that they
have a two party system where both major parties
are very similar.
I think some foreigners misinterpret this. We aren't a two party system by
law. You can vote for anyone you want.
The US are a two party system by law, simply
because they have that winner-takes-it-all majority voting system,
which naturally leads to a two party system.
Of course US citizens can vote for any of those
small parties, but when was the last time any of those
small parties had a substantial number of seats in
Congress? How many Senators are Green?
How many Senators does the Reform Party have?
Thomas
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01 Apr 2005 10:59:10 PM |
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
The real problem the US have is
Thomas
And the problem with Europe is...?
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01 Apr 2005 11:07:54 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message news:424E2693.7050606@comcast.net...
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Hi , ay
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01 Apr 2005 11:09:37 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message news:424E2693.7050606@comcast.net...
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Hi , ay
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% = 1
Lulu = 0
I'm still on your side, bro.
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01 Apr 2005 11:18:57 PM |
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yea ? , you got the pile leveled off for incoming and everything ?
seen her around lately , ) HA ! ( neither have i ... and the hits just keep on comin ,
can you hear the slowly increasing in volume chant ... per cent , per cent , per
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02 Apr 2005 01:05:08 PM |
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In message <424E2693.7050606@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Thomas Dehn wrote:
The real problem the US have is
And the problem with Europe is...?
America?
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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02 Apr 2005 01:43:02 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <424E2693.7050606@comcast.net>, Janithor
<Janithor@comcast.net> writes
Thomas Dehn wrote:
The real problem the US have is
And the problem with Europe is...?
America?
doh, how stupid of me!
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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02 Apr 2005 05:29:53 AM |
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On 2005-04-02, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote:
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
The real problem the US have is
Thomas
And the problem with Europe is...?
If you insist on just one, then it has to be "the USA". That isn't a silly
remark, it's a serious comment: one of the things that causes most
difficulty between EU politicians, is how to act and react to the USA's
actions and 'culture'.
More generally, we have plenty of problems. For instance, we have seven
major 'groups of parties' in the EU parliament - and 20 official languages.
The EU parliament moves regularly: 3 weeks in Brussels, one week in
Strasbourg, then back to Brussels. The 'secretariat' stays in Luxembourg
but there is a fleet of lorries constantly moving documents around (each
one in 20 languages, of course). Voter apathy is rife; the 2004 EU
elections had an overall turnout of 45.7%, which masks massive National
variation from over 90% in Belgium (where voting is compulsory) to 17% in
Slovakia. Financial corruption in the EU bureaucracy is also rife, and
dealing with it is hampered by political reluctance and corruption. There
is an unresolved power struggle between the two legislative bodies, the
directly elected EU parliament and the "Council of Ministers" which is
formed by the national governments.
Even the individual Nations aren't immutably defined or internally
homogenous. Is the UK one country, or three, or four, or five, or six, ...?
(That debate goes back to the 9th century at least). Can Germany sustain
unification? Should the Walloons and Flemings have more or less autonomy
within Belgium? Is Brittany really part of France? Why is there no
official autonomous country for the Basques? How can the nomadic
communities be integrated into government and services? What should happen
to Gibralter? There are countless questions of that sort.
We are currently muddling through the process of deciding whether or not to
adopt the proposed "Constitution".
Then there is the matter of 'enlargement' ...
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-- Whiskers
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02 Apr 2005 10:58:43 AM |
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:29:53 +0100, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
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Even the individual Nations aren't immutably defined or internally
homogenous. Is the UK one country, or three, or four, or five, or six, ...?
<counting on my fingers> There's no six. Is there? <feeling stupid for
even asking>
(That debate goes back to the 9th century at least). Can Germany sustain
unification? Should the Walloons and Flemings have more or less autonomy
within Belgium? Is Brittany really part of France?
Having been to Brittany, it's obvious that the Bretons don't think so.
;)
p
Why is there no
official autonomous country for the Basques? How can the nomadic
communities be integrated into government and services? What should happen
to Gibralter? There are countless questions of that sort.
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02 Apr 2005 01:35:44 PM |
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On 2005-04-02, ponette <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:29:53 +0100, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
wrote:
Even the individual Nations aren't immutably defined or internally
homogenous. Is the UK one country, or three, or four, or five, or six, ...?
<counting on my fingers> There's no six. Is there? <feeling stupid for
even asking>
Most people in London and overseas probably think in terms of 'England,
Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland' but England was only finally united in
the 10th century when the surviving "Anglo-Saxon" kingdom of Wessex
incorporated the "Dane Law" which had been effectively part of the Danish
('Viking' to use the 19th century misnomer) empire. There is still a
distinct North/South divide in England, linguistically and culturally, and
a genuine wish for 'devolution' among some Northerners. Furthermore, the
Northerners are divided East and West ('Lancaster' and 'York', if you can
remember the Wars of the Roses). Southern England is culturally divided
between 'Celtic' and 'Saxon' parts - broadly speaking, Cornwall is the
'celtic' bit, and has its own language (very close to Breton, related to
Welsh) and National Party (Mebyon Kernow) (Cornwall finally lost its
independence in 886 with a treaty between the King of Cornwall and the
neighbouring Saxon warlord. That treaty has never been acknowledged since
the 'Norman conquest' of 1066). So 'England' could be split up into
Cornwall, Wessex, and one or two Northern provinces. Likewise, Scotland
can be considered as two entities, one Southern, lowland, and speaking an
'Anglian' dialect close to 'standard English', and the other Northern,
highland, and Gaelic. So that's six, plus Wales makes seven, without even
crossing the Irish Sea.
(That debate goes back to the 9th century at least). Can Germany sustain
unification? Should the Walloons and Flemings have more or less autonomy
within Belgium? Is Brittany really part of France?
Having been to Brittany, it's obvious that the Bretons don't think so.
;)
Culturally and linguistically they are part of 'the Celtic Fringe' that
occupies the western edge of northern Europe. They have more in common
with Cornwall and Wales than with France - apart from a few centuries of
being governed from Paris.
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02 Apr 2005 12:54:21 PM |
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:29:53 +0100, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
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More generally, we have plenty of problems. For instance, we have seven
major 'groups of parties' in the EU parliament - and 20 official languages.
The EU parliament moves regularly: 3 weeks in Brussels, one week in
Strasbourg, then back to Brussels. The 'secretariat' stays in Luxembourg
but there is a fleet of lorries constantly moving documents around (each
one in 20 languages, of course). Voter apathy is rife; the 2004 EU
elections had an overall turnout of 45.7%, which masks massive National
variation from over 90% in Belgium (where voting is compulsory) to 17% in
Slovakia. Financial corruption in the EU bureaucracy is also rife, and
dealing with it is hampered by political reluctance and corruption. There
is an unresolved power struggle between the two legislative bodies, the
directly elected EU parliament and the "Council of Ministers" which is
formed by the national governments.
Well it isn't any surprise then they Europeans are preoccupied with the
speck in America's eye.
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There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
- Robert Heinlein
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01 Apr 2005 10:12:11 AM |
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On 1 Apr 2005 06:40:39 -0800, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote:
Franz Bestuchev wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:e09o41tfuem4lqk4cbp0bc9g51vbhv1ac2@4ax.com...
A Fox anchor once again uttered a stupid comment about Michael
Schiavo
"apparently being the common law husband of another woman..."
Why can't people get simple facts through their skulls?
We can stop the discussion after: fox news and misinformation
That's very true...there's absolutly nothing "fair" or "balanced"
about the news on that station...
In other words, you disagree with their editorial views. It's best not to
frame a truth about yourself as if it was the shortcoming of another.
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DISOBEDIENCE, n. The silver lining to the cloud of servitude.
- Ambrose Bierce
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01 Apr 2005 11:50:58 AM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
In other words, you disagree with their editorial views. It's best not to
frame a truth about yourself as if it was the shortcoming of another.
There is the difference between opinion, and facts.
A news services has to provide facts. An editorial
view is an opinion, not a fact.
Fox and various other of the large TV networks all
over the world do no provide facts. They provide, at best,
opinion, but frequently they do not even provide that, but
just entertainment presented in a format somewhat
similar to news. Or political agenda, such as Bill O'Reilly.
Thomas
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01 Apr 2005 12:21:15 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:50:58 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
In other words, you disagree with their editorial views. It's best not to
frame a truth about yourself as if it was the shortcoming of another.
There is the difference between opinion, and facts.
A news services has to provide facts. An editorial
view is an opinion, not a fact.
Fox and various other of the large TV networks all
over the world do no provide facts. They provide, at best,
opinion, but frequently they do not even provide that, but
just entertainment presented in a format somewhat
similar to news. Or political agenda, such as Bill O'Reilly.
Maybe foreigners just don't get the format. O'Reilly is a commentary
format. It is opinion. Are such shows just not allowed in Europe?
--
In Heaven an angel is nobody in particular.
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
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01 Apr 2005 01:40:45 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:50:58 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
In other words, you disagree with their editorial views. It's best not to
frame a truth about yourself as if it was the shortcoming of another.
There is the difference between opinion, and facts.
A news services has to provide facts. An editorial
view is an opinion, not a fact.
Fox and various other of the large TV networks all
over the world do no provide facts. They provide, at best,
opinion, but frequently they do not even provide that, but
just entertainment presented in a format somewhat
similar to news. Or political agenda, such as Bill O'Reilly.
Maybe foreigners just don't get the format. O'Reilly is a commentary
format. It is opinion. Are such shows just not allowed in Europe?
I am not aware of any (West-)German TV program where anybody
with an obvious political agenda was provided with daily or weekly
TV time to present his private political opinion disguised as
a commentary. Such an unbalanced program would quickly
draw heavy fire from all directions, and it also could be in
violation of various laws.
Over in Italy, Berlusconi owns the private TV networks,
and controls the public TV because he is prime minister.
It seems that Italian TV currently massively favours Berlusconi,
simply because dissenters could get fired.
Thomas
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01 Apr 2005 03:51:15 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:40:45 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
Maybe foreigners just don't get the format. O'Reilly is a commentary
format. It is opinion. Are such shows just not allowed in Europe?
I am not aware of any (West-)German TV program where anybody
with an obvious political agenda was provided with daily or weekly
TV time to present his private political opinion disguised as
a commentary. Such an unbalanced program would quickly
draw heavy fire from all directions, and it also could be in
violation of various laws.
I keep forgetting that freedom of speech isn't an ideal that is shared by
much of Europe.
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So the maples formed a union and demanded equal rights. The oaks are
just too greedy, we will make them give us light! Now there's no more oak
oppression for they passed a nobel law, and the trees are all kept equal by
hatchet, axe and saw.
- Neal Peart
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01 Apr 2005 04:22:59 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:40:45 +0200, "Thomas Dehn" <thomas-usenet@arcor.de>
wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
Maybe foreigners just don't get the format. O'Reilly is a commentary
format. It is opinion. Are such shows just not allowed in Europe?
I am not aware of any (West-)German TV program where anybody
with an obvious political agenda was provided with daily or weekly
TV time to present his private political opinion disguised as
a commentary. Such an unbalanced program would quickly
draw heavy fire from all directions, and it also could be in
violation of various laws.
I keep forgetting that freedom of speech isn't an ideal that is shared by
much of Europe.
Propaganda is not covered by freedom of speech, neither are
slander and libel, neither are false advertisements, neither
are paid advertisements disguised as independent analysis.
Your right to freely swing your fist ends
well before your fist hits my face.
Thomas
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01 Apr 2005 11:05:00 PM |
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Thomas Dehn wrote:
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:
In other words, you disagree with their editorial views. It's best not to
frame a truth about yourself as if it was the shortcoming of another.
There is the difference between opinion, and facts.
A news services has to provide facts. An editorial
view is an opinion, not a fact.
Fox and various other of the large TV networks all
over the world do no provide facts. They provide, at best,
opinion, but frequently they do not even provide that, but
just entertainment presented in a format somewhat
similar to news. Or political agenda, such as Bill O'Reilly.
Thomas
So, for example, when the US news sources were reporting that the Pope
is in failing health and the situation was grave, as reported to them by
Vatican, this was their opinion of what the Vatican was saying?
Or when the US news sources were reporting that a big tsunami hit Asia
and a lot of people were killed, this was their opinion?
Learn something new every day!
And from Al Jazeera, I learned that Bush is just like Hitler. Finally,
some hard news!
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0EE30E43-B137-417C-9FA4-E629E849E7DC.htm?idpage=1&idPageImage={D58F3A3C-589D-44A0-A940-4120B12F7A0F}
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