so i am curious, who here believes in god?
i'm wondering because i don't, and sometimes i think that's part of why i'm
depressed lately. i hear other people talk about their faith and i'm
jealous. i wish i could believe there was someone up there watching out for
me, that things would work themselves out, that if i live a good life, good
things will come to me. instead i am left feeling that the world is what it
is, that life is very random and that not everyone gets what they deserve,
good or bad. so i'm wondering what the correlation is between depression
and being agnostic/atheist. just thought it was interesting to think about.
erica =)
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| User: "Jamal Chapultapec" |
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| Title: Re: faith? |
09 Jul 2003 09:11:28 PM |
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"kitty" <erosen11@yahoo.comREMOVE> wrote in
news:GT3Pa.46959$3o3.3175022@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
I'd prefer that god doesn't exist, because if it does, then I'm spending my
life hating a REAL powerful person. If my father didn't hesitate to show me
my place, imagine what God will do!
i'm wondering because i don't, and sometimes i think that's part of
why i'm depressed lately. i hear other people talk about their faith
and i'm jealous. i wish i could believe there was someone up there
watching out for me, that things would work themselves out, that if i
live a good life, good things will come to me. instead i am left
feeling that the world is what it is, that life is very random and
that not everyone gets what they deserve, good or bad. so i'm
wondering what the correlation is between depression and being
agnostic/atheist. just thought it was interesting to think about.
A person who's high on ... drugs ... can be very very content simply by
staring at a wall. Mindless ... but happy. The difference between the
stoner and the religious? Possession of a bible (or other religious item)
won't send you to prison.
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| User: "Whateverafter" |
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10 Jul 2003 01:18:56 AM |
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Subject: faith?
From: "kitty" erosen11@yahoo.comREMOVE
Date: 7/9/2003 8:07 PM Central America Standard Time
Message-id: <GT3Pa.46959$3o3.3175022@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
i'm wondering because i don't, and sometimes i think that's part of why i'm
depressed lately. i hear other people talk about their faith and i'm
jealous. i wish i could believe there was someone up there watching out for
me, that things would work themselves out, that if i live a good life, good
things will come to me. instead i am left feeling that the world is what it
is, that life is very random and that not everyone gets what they deserve,
good or bad. so i'm wondering what the correlation is between depression
and being agnostic/atheist. just thought it was interesting to think about.
erica =)
Having the feeling that there is nothing to look forward to is a very
hopeless thing, you're right. There's a very good point made in the Bible that
says "Faith follows the thing heard." If we haven't been taught a reason to
have any faith in something, or been shown by a person's example that we can
have faith in that person, it would be very hard to have this 'faith'.
The description of faith is "The 'assured' expectation of things hoped for,
the 'evident' demonstration of realities, though not beheld." (from Hebrews
11;1)
When you have faith that someone is going to be there for you or do what
they say, it is because you have 'seen' the things this person has done, you
know this person intimately, to be able to put your faith in him, and you have
seen his example of keeping his word and doing the things he said he would do,
before, so you 'know' that his word means what it says, it has substance, so is
real to you.
It is the same with having faith in God. You have to really know him, not
just what someone says 'is', but what he says 'is'. And that's not always what
we find out there.
For instance, some ppl are claiming to be 'Christian' and yet would justify
going to war and killing other ppl, sometimes who have been members of even
their own religion, their spiritual 'brothers' so to speak! That would confuse
anyone, yet is this a Christian teaching, or one used to justify human's
ends??.
This is not actually a subject that's wise to get into on a discusssion
board, though. Too much potential for ppl who just get into it for the debate,
and to fight. Ppl Do like to fight on these boards, for sure. If you'd like
to email me, or I you, that would be alright with me. Anytime.
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| User: "Rien13148" |
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09 Jul 2003 11:04:48 PM |
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From: "kitty"
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
I do.
R
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| User: "phil" |
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10 Jul 2003 12:18:57 AM |
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I think people believe in god because they fear that life is ultimately
meaningless.. or rather.. the only meaning in life is life itself. one of
these millenniums this universe's gonna end and nothing we do really
matters.. but if there were a god.. perhaps there is some meaning behind all
these.. perhaps there is something that goes beyond the inevitable
nothingness.. perhaps we will be remembered.
"kitty" <erosen11@yahoo.comREMOVE> wrote in message
news:GT3Pa.46959$3o3.3175022@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
i'm wondering because i don't, and sometimes i think that's part of why
i'm
depressed lately. i hear other people talk about their faith and i'm
jealous. i wish i could believe there was someone up there watching out
for
me, that things would work themselves out, that if i live a good life,
good
things will come to me. instead i am left feeling that the world is what
it
is, that life is very random and that not everyone gets what they deserve,
good or bad. so i'm wondering what the correlation is between depression
and being agnostic/atheist. just thought it was interesting to think
about.
erica =)
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| User: "Lolligag" |
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| Title: Re: faith? |
09 Jul 2003 09:43:54 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:07:34 GMT, "kitty" <erosen11@yahoo.comREMOVE>
wrote:
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
i'm wondering because i don't, and sometimes i think that's part of why i'm
depressed lately. i hear other people talk about their faith and i'm
jealous. i wish i could believe there was someone up there watching out for
me, that things would work themselves out, that if i live a good life, good
things will come to me. instead i am left feeling that the world is what it
is, that life is very random and that not everyone gets what they deserve,
good or bad. so i'm wondering what the correlation is between depression
and being agnostic/atheist. just thought it was interesting to think about.
erica =)
I've thought the same thing. I don't believe in god and I really wish
I could. I admire people with faith. Who can put that must trust in
something. It seems to be a great source of comfort to them.
x-no-archive: yes in headers
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| User: "IOStorm" |
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14 Jul 2003 09:31:47 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:07:34 GMT, "kitty" <erosen11@yahoo.comREMOVE>
wrote:
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
i'm wondering because i don't, and sometimes i think that's part of why i'm
depressed lately. i hear other people talk about their faith and i'm
jealous. i wish i could believe there was someone up there watching out for
me, that things would work themselves out, that if i live a good life, good
things will come to me. instead i am left feeling that the world is what it
is, that life is very random and that not everyone gets what they deserve,
good or bad. so i'm wondering what the correlation is between depression
and being agnostic/atheist. just thought it was interesting to think about.
Just look at the number of people right here who *do* believe in God.
That should cure you of your belief that *not* believing in God is the
cause of your depression.
If God does exist, he doesn't give a rats ***** about people who are
depressed. So believe or don't believe. It's all the same.
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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18 Jul 2003 06:18:21 AM |
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On Thursday 17 July 2003 23:54, Tim J. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:07:34 GMT, "kitty" <erosen11@yahoo.comREMOVE>
wrote:
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
Not me. If there is a god, he sure is one cruel *****.
God is not cruel. People are cruel.
--
Subtract 250 to email me.
Online Bible Study Tools:
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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18 Jul 2003 12:04:08 PM |
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"Tim J." <tj66821@usa.not> wrote in message
news:vm8ghvsekj581dicp7vfe8j8m5fu3rb9ff@4ax.com...
If one is to believe the things that many Christians attribute to
"God's will", then it is fair for one to believe that god is indeed
cruel.
No, it's not fair at all. As I said, people are the ones that are cruel, not
God. Just because someone says that God does this or that does not make it
so.
But of course, you cannot convine me that there really is a god,
anyways.
And that's your choice and your right to choose to believe or not.
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| User: "Tim J." |
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18 Jul 2003 02:44:46 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:04:08 -0600, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoonman250@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Tim J." <tj66821@usa.not> wrote in message
news:vm8ghvsekj581dicp7vfe8j8m5fu3rb9ff@4ax.com...
If one is to believe the things that many Christians attribute to
"God's will", then it is fair for one to believe that god is indeed
cruel.
No, it's not fair at all. As I said, people are the ones that are cruel, not
God. Just because someone says that God does this or that does not make it
so.
If it's supposedly my right to believe or not believe in god, then
it's also fair for me to believe if there is such a being, he is
indeed cruel. You may not agree, but to say it's not a fair statement
for me to make based upon my observations is, in of itself, not fair.
Christians will invariably tell you that this is god's world, it is
his devine will that makes all possible (at least in the churches I've
attended and the supposed Christians who try to preach to me). So,
why did he make people cruel? And what part of peoples' cruelty plays
into a baby dying of a defective heart, or some other innocent who
suffers their fate, not by the hand of man, but by "God's will"? I
simply cannot tell you how many times I've heard these supposed
Christians say after someone's tragic demise (usually through no fault
of man), that it was "God's will" they were taken. Cruel *****
indeed. If you aren't the type to go around giving god credit for the
taking of innocent life, then my comments should not bother you. They
are specifically aimed at those described above.
But of course, you cannot convine me that there really is a god,
anyways.
And that's your choice and your right to choose to believe or not.
And it's my right to believe how cruel your deity is if he does exist.
I know you and I will never agree on this subject, I just want you to
understand how a non-Christian sees a believers' god, in light of the
excuses many make for his erratic ways.
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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18 Jul 2003 06:03:55 PM |
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On Friday 18 July 2003 13:44, Tim J. wrote:
And it's my right to believe how cruel your deity is if he does exist.
Nobody is talking about taking your rights away except for you. On the
other hand I (and everyone else) am also free to think and believe (and
post) how I choose.
I know you and I will never agree on this subject, I just want you to
understand how a non-Christian sees a believers' god, in light of the
excuses many make for his erratic ways.
I know exactly how a non-Christian sees, thinks and feels. I used to be
one. That people (both believers and non-believers) unfarily blame God for
things is nothing new, it's been going on since since the beginning. To
hold God responsible for that is unfair.
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Subtract 250 to email me.
Online Bible Study Tools:
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/
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| User: "Peeks" |
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| Title: Re: faith? |
18 Jul 2003 10:44:53 AM |
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you took the words right out of my mouth..for sure it is people who are the
cruel ones.
peeks
"Indigo Moon Man" <indigomoonman250@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bf8l40$bsd6l$2@ID-70710.news.uni-berlin.de...
On Thursday 17 July 2003 23:54, Tim J. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:07:34 GMT, "kitty" <erosen11@yahoo.comREMOVE>
wrote:
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
Not me. If there is a god, he sure is one cruel *****.
God is not cruel. People are cruel.
--
Subtract 250 to email me.
Online Bible Study Tools:
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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09 Jul 2003 09:11:03 PM |
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 20:07, kitty wrote:
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
I believe in God.
--
Subtract 250 to email me.
Free Bible Software:
http://www.theophilos.sk
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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18 Jul 2003 06:17:50 AM |
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 20:07, kitty wrote:
so i am curious, who here believes in god?
I believe in God.
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Subtract 250 to email me.
Online Bible Study Tools:
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/
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| User: "Velvet" |
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18 Jul 2003 06:54:02 AM |
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here is a quote re: religious stuff..
"Why is it when you talk to God, its called prayer, but when God talks to
you its called schizopherenia?" :)
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