Hey all.
Jane Kenyon wrote, in "Having it Out with Melancholy":
We move on to the monoamine
oxidase inhibitors. Day and night
I feel as if I had drunk six cups
of coffee, but the pain stops
abruptly. With the wonder
and bitterness of someone pardoned
for a crime she did not commit
I come back to marriage and friends,
to pink fringed hollyhocks; come back
to my desk, books, and chair.
[ and ]
High on Nardil and June light
I wake at four.
waiting greedily for the first
note of the wood thrush. Easeful air
presses through the screen
with the wild, complex song
of the bird, and I am overcome
by ordinary contentment.
What hurt me so terribly
all my life until this moment?
How I love the small, swiftly
beating heart of the bird
singing in the great maples;
its bright, unequivocal eye.
Sounds like the stuff did her a lot of good.
I've just been prescribed the MAOI Nardil after a relatively
unproblematic but also unhelpful course of EMSAM (an incredibly
expensive MAOI transdermal patch). But I'm scared shitless -- perhaps
soon to be literally so? -- by all the fearsome dietary hazards I've
been reading about.
I ate a vending machine bag of trail mix yesterday -- did I risk dying
of peanuts? Today I had Salisbury Steak for lunch but it came with a
small Caesar salad -- did eating that cheesy lettuce put me at risk of
collapsing on the floor with an agonizing headache, blood squirting out
of both ears?
It's easy enough to not drink red wine or eat Limburger cheese. It's
especially easy to avoid eating the "spoiled meat" I've seen repeated
warnings about (???!!!) And OK, I can do without yogurt if I have to.
But it's the accidental consumption of something prohibited that scares
me. I figure I'll carry around a little chart of no-no's, but for all
that I'll still fret constantly. I think about that little girl who
died after kissing a boy who'd eaten peanuts (or something like that).
Then there are the warnings about, say, chocolate, that advise "too
much is bad, but some is OK". Too much being exactly... how much?
It's too soon for me to tell what this stuff is doing to me, but I know
all the reading I've been doing has put me into a state of fear and
trembling. The stuff that's available online is general and formal and
covers, because it has to, all these worst- and corner-case scenarios.
But I'm wondering what living with this stuff is like in real life.
Any personal experience/advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark
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10 Nov 2007 10:45:58 AM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote
I've just been prescribed the MAOI Nardil after a relatively
unproblematic but also unhelpful course of EMSAM (an incredibly
expensive MAOI transdermal patch).
my pdoc was going to try me on that very thing if the lexapro hadn't worked
18 months ago. since MAOI's were the only thing that had helped me in the
past, he thought the patch you are talking about would be just as effective
and not have the dietary restrictions. thankfully, the lexapro did the job
and i didn't have to go that route.
good luck!
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| User: "RGB" |
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10 Nov 2007 12:58:35 PM |
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In article <4735e04c$0$25195$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
I've just been prescribed the MAOI Nardil after a relatively
unproblematic but also unhelpful course of EMSAM (an incredibly
expensive MAOI transdermal patch).
my pdoc was going to try me on that very thing if the lexapro hadn't worked
18 months ago. since MAOI's were the only thing that had helped me in the
past, he thought the patch you are talking about would be just as effective
and not have the dietary restrictions. thankfully, the lexapro did the job
and i didn't have to go that route.
good luck!
Thanks. I don't know if it was anything about the patch as such or just
the fact that it was a low dose, but like I say, the EMSAM didn't do
much for me. Bumping the dose would have been kind of pointless since
when you do that you have to worry about exactly the same dietary
issues, even with the patch, and I'd rather take a couple of cheap pills
3x a day than waste my and the insurance system's money on those nearly
$20-a-day suckers. They were a pain in the ***** to stick on, too, though
it was kind of fun, too, in a way.
Mark
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10 Nov 2007 01:43:19 PM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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In article <4735e04c$0$25195$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
I've just been prescribed the MAOI Nardil after a relatively
unproblematic but also unhelpful course of EMSAM (an incredibly
expensive MAOI transdermal patch).
my pdoc was going to try me on that very thing if the lexapro hadn't
worked
18 months ago. since MAOI's were the only thing that had helped me in
the
past, he thought the patch you are talking about would be just as
effective
and not have the dietary restrictions. thankfully, the lexapro did the
job
and i didn't have to go that route.
good luck!
Thanks. I don't know if it was anything about the patch as such or just
the fact that it was a low dose, but like I say, the EMSAM didn't do
much for me. Bumping the dose would have been kind of pointless since
when you do that you have to worry about exactly the same dietary
issues, even with the patch, and I'd rather take a couple of cheap pills
3x a day than waste my and the insurance system's money on those nearly
$20-a-day suckers. They were a pain in the ***** to stick on, too, though
it was kind of fun, too, in a way.
yeah, my insurance probably would have really balked at the idea. i'm just
glad the lexapro works. shocked...but glad.
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09 Nov 2007 05:11:31 PM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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Hey all.
Jane Kenyon wrote, in "Having it Out with Melancholy":
We move on to the monoamine
oxidase inhibitors. Day and night
I feel as if I had drunk six cups
of coffee, but the pain stops
abruptly. With the wonder
and bitterness of someone pardoned
for a crime she did not commit
I come back to marriage and friends,
to pink fringed hollyhocks; come back
to my desk, books, and chair.
[ and ]
High on Nardil and June light
I wake at four.
waiting greedily for the first
note of the wood thrush. Easeful air
presses through the screen
with the wild, complex song
of the bird, and I am overcome
by ordinary contentment.
What hurt me so terribly
all my life until this moment?
How I love the small, swiftly
beating heart of the bird
singing in the great maples;
its bright, unequivocal eye.
Sounds like the stuff did her a lot of good.
I've just been prescribed the MAOI Nardil after a relatively
unproblematic but also unhelpful course of EMSAM (an incredibly
expensive MAOI transdermal patch). But I'm scared shitless -- perhaps
soon to be literally so? -- by all the fearsome dietary hazards I've
been reading about.
I ate a vending machine bag of trail mix yesterday -- did I risk dying
of peanuts? Today I had Salisbury Steak for lunch but it came with a
small Caesar salad -- did eating that cheesy lettuce put me at risk of
collapsing on the floor with an agonizing headache, blood squirting
out
of both ears?
It's easy enough to not drink red wine or eat Limburger cheese. It's
especially easy to avoid eating the "spoiled meat" I've seen repeated
warnings about (???!!!) And OK, I can do without yogurt if I have to.
But it's the accidental consumption of something prohibited that
scares
me. I figure I'll carry around a little chart of no-no's, but for all
that I'll still fret constantly. I think about that little girl who
died after kissing a boy who'd eaten peanuts (or something like that).
Then there are the warnings about, say, chocolate, that advise "too
much is bad, but some is OK". Too much being exactly... how much?
It's too soon for me to tell what this stuff is doing to me, but I
know
all the reading I've been doing has put me into a state of fear and
trembling. The stuff that's available online is general and formal and
covers, because it has to, all these worst- and corner-case scenarios.
But I'm wondering what living with this stuff is like in real life.
Any personal experience/advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark
i imagine it all varies by individual ,
you'll know when you've ate something you shouldn't have ,
i guess i'd suggest checking the contents against the shouldn'ts
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18 Nov 2007 04:25:27 AM |
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In article <IJ5Zi.144420$g82.105543@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
RGB <-@-.-> wrote:
Hey all.
Jane Kenyon wrote, in "Having it Out with Melancholy":
We move on to the monoamine
oxidase inhibitors ...
and after a week, we retreat, though the enemy pursues.
This morning marked 72 hours since I took my last Nardil, and for the
first time since I started falling apart, I felt more or less normal.
What a relief it is not to have to regard every walk from one room to
another with fear that I'll black out or space out.
Thanks to all who offered advice about the food business and support
about the bad reactions / inaccessible doctor business. I've rarely
come to ASD with a real sense of need, but this was such a time, and
thank you all for helping me through it.
Mark
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| User: "used2be" |
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19 Nov 2007 10:01:07 AM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
news:rqU%i.11829$I52.3079@fe07.news.easynews.com...
In article <IJ5Zi.144420$g82.105543@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
RGB <-@-.-> wrote:
Hey all.
Jane Kenyon wrote, in "Having it Out with Melancholy":
We move on to the monoamine
oxidase inhibitors ...
and after a week, we retreat, though the enemy pursues.
This morning marked 72 hours since I took my last Nardil, and for the
first time since I started falling apart, I felt more or less normal.
What a relief it is not to have to regard every walk from one room to
another with fear that I'll black out or space out.
Thanks to all who offered advice about the food business and support
about the bad reactions / inaccessible doctor business. I've rarely
come to ASD with a real sense of need, but this was such a time, and
thank you all for helping me through it.
i'm so sorry you had such a bad time with it, mark.
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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18 Nov 2007 06:26:30 AM |
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RGB wrote:
In article <IJ5Zi.144420$g82.105543@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
RGB <-@-.-> wrote:
Hey all.
Jane Kenyon wrote, in "Having it Out with Melancholy":
We move on to the monoamine
oxidase inhibitors ...
and after a week, we retreat, though the enemy pursues.
This morning marked 72 hours since I took my last Nardil, and for the
first time since I started falling apart, I felt more or less normal.
What a relief it is not to have to regard every walk from one room to
another with fear that I'll black out or space out.
Thanks to all who offered advice about the food business and support
about the bad reactions / inaccessible doctor business. I've rarely
come to ASD with a real sense of need, but this was such a time, and
thank you all for helping me through it.
You're welcome. That'll be $20.00. Canadian dollars, not devalued
American ones.
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| User: "RGB" |
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18 Nov 2007 10:26:33 AM |
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In article <WbW%i.187332$Xa3.169932@attbi_s22>,
Noon Cat Nick <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to all who offered advice about the food business and support
about the bad reactions / inaccessible doctor business ...
You're welcome. That'll be $20.00. Canadian dollars, not devalued
American ones.
Can I pay you in PD270's? Never used, mint condition (though they sure
don't taste like mints.)
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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18 Nov 2007 12:03:12 PM |
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RGB wrote:
In article <WbW%i.187332$Xa3.169932@attbi_s22>,
Noon Cat Nick <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to all who offered advice about the food business and support
about the bad reactions / inaccessible doctor business ...
You're welcome. That'll be $20.00. Canadian dollars, not devalued
American ones.
Can I pay you in PD270's? Never used, mint condition (though they sure
don't taste like mints.)
Oh, pshaw...let it ride. I work pro bono.
Anywho, I dug up some troubling information regarding Nardil, after
considering my own situation.
Back story: Pondering over my past with that medication, I noticed a
wane in its efficacy going back a few years. Before that, Nardil worked
for me charmingly. But in the past three years or so, it's not been as
effective. I've had more problems with depression, mood swings, and
social anxiety.
Recently, going back on my 90 mg/day regimen, things improved for me
again--but not as well as I'd hoped. I still had problems with
suicidality, social phobia, lack of motivation, and chronic pain.
Figuring that over time I'd gotten so inured to Nardil that my system
might need more, on my own unprofessional recognizance I upped my daily
regimen to 120 mg (the recommended max dosage is 90 mg/day). After a
coupla days, all those problems were ameliorated. My suicidal ideations
are gone, my social anxiety has vanished, my motivation has returned,
the pain has disappeared.
Still, I was concerned about what such a high dosage might do over time.
So I went a-Googlin' for more info. And that's when I found scads of
sites detailing how, in the past four years, hundreds of Nardil users
have reported increasing problems with the drug--increased unpleasant
"side effects," diminished therapeutic value, and the like.
To wit: The patent on Nardil ran out in the 1980s. After that,
Parke-Davis and Warner-Lambert sold it as a fairly inexpensive generic.
But in 2003, Pfizer took over manufacture of phenylzine sulfate. In so
doing, they completely reformulated the med, removing many of its
excipient ingredients, including the hard coating. Because of this, it's
believed that the current version isn't surviving the stomach acid
content, and therefore less is being absorbed into the bloodstream. It's
also thought that the machinery Pfizer uses to mix and manufacture
Nardil isn't able to blend and mix it sufficiently, making parts or all
of some lots irregular in the content of medication delivered to the system.
These charges have yet to be proven conclusively. But it's a known
quantity that since 2003 hundreds of users have filed complaints with
the USFDA and against Pfizer about the "new" Nardil. It's potency has
seemingly diminished, requiring users to take more of the drug to
achieve the same therapeutic effects. Along with that, they report
increased problems with troublesome "side effects"--tremors, orthostatic
hypotension, dizziness and the like. (It hasn't affected me personally
in those ways, but I'm nearly certain it hasn't been as therapeutic for
me as it was in years previous.) It seems the "new" Nardil has
diminished therapeutic value combined with increased undesirable effects.
Why Pfizer reformulated Nardil appears to be a matter of lucre. Taking a
med that's fallen out of patent and reformulating it allows it to be
repatented. In that wise, the company can increase its cost. From my
calculations, before Pfizer took over the manufacture of Nardil, it cost
me about 38¢ per pill (2002). Now, five years later, the price has
escalated to nearly 66¢ per pill...close to a 74% cost increase. Time to
see what the Canadians are charging so I can get it cheaper, I guess.
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18 Nov 2007 02:06:55 PM |
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In article <A7%%i.187518$Xa3.5276@attbi_s22>,
Noon Cat Nick <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote:
To wit: The patent on Nardil ran out in the 1980s. After that,
Parke-Davis and Warner-Lambert sold it as a fairly inexpensive generic.
But in 2003, Pfizer took over manufacture of phenylzine sulfate. In so
doing, they completely reformulated the med, removing many of its
excipient ingredients, including the hard coating. Because of this, it's
believed that the current version isn't surviving the stomach acid
content, and therefore less is being absorbed into the bloodstream. It's
also thought that the machinery Pfizer uses to mix and manufacture
Nardil isn't able to blend and mix it sufficiently, making parts or all
of some lots irregular in the content of medication delivered to the system.
These charges have yet to be proven conclusively. But it's a known
quantity that since 2003 hundreds of users have filed complaints with
the USFDA and against Pfizer about the "new" Nardil. It's potency has
seemingly diminished, requiring users to take more of the drug to
achieve the same therapeutic effects. Along with that, they report
increased problems with troublesome "side effects"--tremors, orthostatic
hypotension, dizziness and the like. (It hasn't affected me personally
in those ways, but I'm nearly certain it hasn't been as therapeutic for
me as it was in years previous.) It seems the "new" Nardil has
diminished therapeutic value combined with increased undesirable effects.
Why Pfizer reformulated Nardil appears to be a matter of lucre.
Yikes. I never heard of such a thing, it's like the Fender guitars pre-
and post-CBS thing.
Well, thanks for this news, and *****, I hope your loss of efficacy isn't
as drastic as my presumably worse-than-they-would-have-once-been "side"
effects were.
Good luck!
Mark
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14 Nov 2007 06:28:10 PM |
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OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
I've been having some really rude problems ever since I started, and
they seem to just be getting worse: dizziness and a weird, "dreamy"
feeling upon standing up, tremors in one leg after I'd been standing
for a while, cold sweats after lying down, a weird bright spot in the
middle of my visual field when I closed my eyes. Getting up to pee in
the middle of the night has become quite an adventure; the other night
I fell into the bathtub. Good thing it wasn't full of water.
So, I saw my doc this morning, told him about all this, he said cut
back from 15mg 3x day to 1x day and things should be OK. Fair enough,
I was willing to give that a shot.
I'd had my morning pill before I left for the appointment. When I got
back from the doc's and walked up the stairs to my apartment, I was
feeling the usual dizziness, but it was worse than just that: I
couldn't figure out how to unlock my door. I'm standing there with my
keys in one hand, fiddling with the doorknob with the other, left,
right, right, left... finally I realized I had to put the KEY in the
LOCK and turn THAT.
This kind of spaced-out total disorientation reached a severely creepy
peak a little while ago at work. I went out the office suite door and
down the hall to use the bathroom, overshot the men's room and found
myself staring at the wall next to the drinking fountain trying to
figure out what I was trying to do and just drawing a blank for way
too long a time.
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing. I did manage to type
"Leaving early, not feeling well" and send that to my group.
When I got home, my dog didn't run to the door to greet me the way she
usually does. She was just sleeping. But for a few seconds I was
terrified that I'd taken her out and forgotten to bring her back
inside.
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Mark
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14 Nov 2007 06:28:22 PM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
I've been having some really rude problems ever since I started, and
they seem to just be getting worse: dizziness and a weird, "dreamy"
feeling upon standing up, tremors in one leg after I'd been standing
for a while, cold sweats after lying down, a weird bright spot in the
middle of my visual field when I closed my eyes. Getting up to pee in
the middle of the night has become quite an adventure; the other night
I fell into the bathtub. Good thing it wasn't full of water.
So, I saw my doc this morning, told him about all this, he said cut
back from 15mg 3x day to 1x day and things should be OK. Fair enough,
I was willing to give that a shot.
I'd had my morning pill before I left for the appointment. When I got
back from the doc's and walked up the stairs to my apartment, I was
feeling the usual dizziness, but it was worse than just that: I
couldn't figure out how to unlock my door. I'm standing there with my
keys in one hand, fiddling with the doorknob with the other, left,
right, right, left... finally I realized I had to put the KEY in the
LOCK and turn THAT.
This kind of spaced-out total disorientation reached a severely creepy
peak a little while ago at work. I went out the office suite door and
down the hall to use the bathroom, overshot the men's room and found
myself staring at the wall next to the drinking fountain trying to
figure out what I was trying to do and just drawing a blank for way
too long a time.
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing. I did manage to type
"Leaving early, not feeling well" and send that to my group.
When I got home, my dog didn't run to the door to greet me the way she
usually does. She was just sleeping. But for a few seconds I was
terrified that I'd taken her out and forgotten to bring her back
inside.
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Mark
was there anything positive about this at all like did the med work in
any way
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14 Nov 2007 08:57:36 PM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
<snip bizarre happenings>
oh my word, that's some scary sounding side effects!!!!!!!
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing.
bizarre...the EXACT same thing happened to me at work on parnate!!!! my
computer screen suddenly sported a big black spot in the middle. then i
realized it was my vision. i could see around the black spot, but i could
not see directly in front of me. in order to read the computer, i had to
turn my head to the side so that i could read around the edges of the black
spot. eventually the spot got big enough to take up the entire computer. i
went home...
nardil did some undesirable things to me as well, so i switched to parnate
and had far fewer troubles. although the ocular migraine experience like
yours *did* occur on the parnate. but only once.
good luck!
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14 Nov 2007 09:06:52 PM |
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"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
news:uoM_i.199362$1n1.36942@fe10.news.easynews.com...
OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
<snip bizarre happenings>
oh my word, that's some scary sounding side effects!!!!!!!
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and
doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of
colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing.
bizarre...the EXACT same thing happened to me at work on parnate!!!!
my
computer screen suddenly sported a big black spot in the middle. then
i
realized it was my vision. i could see around the black spot, but i
could
not see directly in front of me. in order to read the computer, i had
to
turn my head to the side so that i could read around the edges of the
black
spot. eventually the spot got big enough to take up the entire
computer. i
went home...
nardil did some undesirable things to me as well, so i switched to
parnate
and had far fewer troubles. although the ocular migraine experience
like
yours *did* occur on the parnate. but only once.
good luck!
it has all left me totally lipid
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14 Nov 2007 11:11:18 PM |
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In article <473bb59f$0$28854$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
oh my word, that's some scary sounding side effects!!!!!!!
Tell me about it. You ever experience anything like this, this "getting
stupid" thing?
bizarre...the EXACT same thing happened to me at work on parnate!!!! my
computer screen suddenly sported a big black spot in the middle. then i
realized it was my vision. i could see around the black spot, but i could
not see directly in front of me. in order to read the computer, i had to
turn my head to the side so that i could read around the edges of the black
spot. eventually the spot got big enough to take up the entire computer. i
went home...
Yup, that's an ocular migraine alright. For some people it's an "aura"
that precedes the painful phase. I guess we're lucky that wasn't part of
it for us. Interesting you had the same reaction from an MAOI.
nardil did some undesirable things to me as well, so i switched to parnate
and had far fewer troubles. although the ocular migraine experience like
yours *did* occur on the parnate. but only once.
good luck!
Thanks. Maybe I'll wind up giving P a try.
Mark
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14 Nov 2007 11:10:27 PM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
news:VxQ_i.200909$g82.124889@fe07.news.easynews.com...
In article <473bb59f$0$28854$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
oh my word, that's some scary sounding side effects!!!!!!!
Tell me about it. You ever experience anything like this, this
"getting
stupid" thing?
bizarre...the EXACT same thing happened to me at work on parnate!!!!
my
computer screen suddenly sported a big black spot in the middle.
then i
realized it was my vision. i could see around the black spot, but i
could
not see directly in front of me. in order to read the computer, i
had to
turn my head to the side so that i could read around the edges of
the black
spot. eventually the spot got big enough to take up the entire
computer. i
went home...
Yup, that's an ocular migraine alright. For some people it's an "aura"
that precedes the painful phase. I guess we're lucky that wasn't part
of
it for us. Interesting you had the same reaction from an MAOI.
nardil did some undesirable things to me as well, so i switched to
parnate
and had far fewer troubles. although the ocular migraine experience
like
yours *did* occur on the parnate. but only once.
good luck!
Thanks. Maybe I'll wind up giving P a try.
Mark
i'm glad we had this moment
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| User: "used2be" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
16 Nov 2007 03:39:17 PM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
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In article <473bb59f$0$28854$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"used2be" <used2be@nowhere.com> wrote:
oh my word, that's some scary sounding side effects!!!!!!!
Tell me about it. You ever experience anything like this, this "getting
stupid" thing?
bizarre...the EXACT same thing happened to me at work on parnate!!!! my
computer screen suddenly sported a big black spot in the middle. then i
realized it was my vision. i could see around the black spot, but i
could
not see directly in front of me. in order to read the computer, i had to
turn my head to the side so that i could read around the edges of the
black
spot. eventually the spot got big enough to take up the entire computer.
i
went home...
Yup, that's an ocular migraine alright. For some people it's an "aura"
that precedes the painful phase. I guess we're lucky that wasn't part of
it for us. Interesting you had the same reaction from an MAOI.
nardil did some undesirable things to me as well, so i switched to
parnate
and had far fewer troubles. although the ocular migraine experience like
yours *did* occur on the parnate. but only once.
good luck!
Thanks. Maybe I'll wind up giving P a try.
it's definitely worth considering.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
14 Nov 2007 07:38:57 PM |
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On Nov 14, 4:28 pm, RGB <-...@-.-> wrote:
OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
I've been having some really rude problems ever since I started, and
they seem to just be getting worse: dizziness and a weird, "dreamy"
feeling upon standing up, tremors in one leg after I'd been standing
for a while, cold sweats after lying down, a weird bright spot in the
middle of my visual field when I closed my eyes. Getting up to pee in
the middle of the night has become quite an adventure; the other night
I fell into the bathtub. Good thing it wasn't full of water.
So, I saw my doc this morning, told him about all this, he said cut
back from 15mg 3x day to 1x day and things should be OK. Fair enough,
I was willing to give that a shot.
I'd had my morning pill before I left for the appointment. When I got
back from the doc's and walked up the stairs to my apartment, I was
feeling the usual dizziness, but it was worse than just that: I
couldn't figure out how to unlock my door. I'm standing there with my
keys in one hand, fiddling with the doorknob with the other, left,
right, right, left... finally I realized I had to put the KEY in the
LOCK and turn THAT.
This kind of spaced-out total disorientation reached a severely creepy
peak a little while ago at work. I went out the office suite door and
down the hall to use the bathroom, overshot the men's room and found
myself staring at the wall next to the drinking fountain trying to
figure out what I was trying to do and just drawing a blank for way
too long a time.
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing. I did manage to type
"Leaving early, not feeling well" and send that to my group.
When I got home, my dog didn't run to the door to greet me the way she
usually does. She was just sleeping. But for a few seconds I was
terrified that I'd taken her out and forgotten to bring her back
inside.
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Mark
Wow Mark, this is some really scary stuff!!! I'm sorry you've gone
through that with something that was hopefully going to be helpful.
Nardil doesn't sound like it agrees with you....there are other MAOI's
that might work better that perhaps you could ask the doc about?
Don't know if you talked about that possibility this morning. I hope
that you get some resolution fast! Take good care.....
~Rose
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
14 Nov 2007 11:06:36 PM |
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In article
<51709dd2-b740-4fa6-943b-5d31525d5803@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
Wow Mark, this is some really scary stuff!!! I'm sorry you've gone
through that with something that was hopefully going to be helpful.
Nardil doesn't sound like it agrees with you....there are other MAOI's
that might work better that perhaps you could ask the doc about?
Don't know if you talked about that possibility this morning. I hope
that you get some resolution fast! Take good care.....
We didn't talk about it this morning 'cos he thought I'd be OK just
starting on a lower dose. Maybe next time I see him, or if he ever
returns my call. Thanks.....
Mark
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| User: "Noon Cat Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
14 Nov 2007 10:49:50 PM |
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RGB wrote:
OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
I've been having some really rude problems ever since I started, and
they seem to just be getting worse: dizziness and a weird, "dreamy"
feeling upon standing up, tremors in one leg after I'd been standing
for a while, cold sweats after lying down, a weird bright spot in the
middle of my visual field when I closed my eyes. Getting up to pee in
the middle of the night has become quite an adventure; the other night
I fell into the bathtub. Good thing it wasn't full of water.
So, I saw my doc this morning, told him about all this, he said cut
back from 15mg 3x day to 1x day and things should be OK. Fair enough,
I was willing to give that a shot.
I'd had my morning pill before I left for the appointment. When I got
back from the doc's and walked up the stairs to my apartment, I was
feeling the usual dizziness, but it was worse than just that: I
couldn't figure out how to unlock my door. I'm standing there with my
keys in one hand, fiddling with the doorknob with the other, left,
right, right, left... finally I realized I had to put the KEY in the
LOCK and turn THAT.
This kind of spaced-out total disorientation reached a severely creepy
peak a little while ago at work. I went out the office suite door and
down the hall to use the bathroom, overshot the men's room and found
myself staring at the wall next to the drinking fountain trying to
figure out what I was trying to do and just drawing a blank for way
too long a time.
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing. I did manage to type
"Leaving early, not feeling well" and send that to my group.
When I got home, my dog didn't run to the door to greet me the way she
usually does. She was just sleeping. But for a few seconds I was
terrified that I'd taken her out and forgotten to bring her back
inside.
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Mark
Dang! Those are all signs of a drug that's not for you. If your doc
wants you on an MAOI, Parnate might be a better choice. Hope that
callback comes ASAP.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
14 Nov 2007 11:16:45 PM |
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In article <OdQ_i.184893$Xa3.94058@attbi_s22>,
Noon Cat Nick <chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dang! Those are all signs of a drug that's not for you.
D'ya think? =8^)
If your doc wants you on an MAOI, Parnate might be a better choice.
Hope that callback comes ASAP.
I'm sure it will, ASAP -- At Some As-yet-unknown Point.
Thanks,
Mark
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
15 Nov 2007 01:58:27 PM |
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RGB wrote:
OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
I've been having some really rude problems ever since I started, and
they seem to just be getting worse: dizziness and a weird, "dreamy"
feeling upon standing up, tremors in one leg after I'd been standing
for a while, cold sweats after lying down, a weird bright spot in the
middle of my visual field when I closed my eyes. Getting up to pee in
the middle of the night has become quite an adventure; the other night
I fell into the bathtub. Good thing it wasn't full of water.
So, I saw my doc this morning, told him about all this, he said cut
back from 15mg 3x day to 1x day and things should be OK. Fair enough,
I was willing to give that a shot.
I'd had my morning pill before I left for the appointment. When I got
back from the doc's and walked up the stairs to my apartment, I was
feeling the usual dizziness, but it was worse than just that: I
couldn't figure out how to unlock my door. I'm standing there with my
keys in one hand, fiddling with the doorknob with the other, left,
right, right, left... finally I realized I had to put the KEY in the
LOCK and turn THAT.
This kind of spaced-out total disorientation reached a severely creepy
peak a little while ago at work. I went out the office suite door and
down the hall to use the bathroom, overshot the men's room and found
myself staring at the wall next to the drinking fountain trying to
figure out what I was trying to do and just drawing a blank for way
too long a time.
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing. I did manage to type
"Leaving early, not feeling well" and send that to my group.
When I got home, my dog didn't run to the door to greet me the way she
usually does. She was just sleeping. But for a few seconds I was
terrified that I'd taken her out and forgotten to bring her back
inside.
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Mark
Why are you taking it in the morning if it's 1x/day. Take it at night
instead. See how that goes for a spell. I don't know the half life of
the drug but you might also still need some time to wash out the higher
3x/day out of your system.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
15 Nov 2007 04:52:24 PM |
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In article <5q3mn4Ftv9j0U1@mid.individual.net>,
Franz Bestuchev <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are you taking it in the morning if it's 1x/day. Take it at night
instead. See how that goes for a spell. I don't know the half life of
the drug but you might also still need some time to wash out the higher
3x/day out of your system.
Well, I only took it 1x/day in the morning 1x, the day I was told to
reduce the dose to that. I haven't taken any more since yesterday's fun
events and yet I still had another "out of body" experience today --
collapsed completely while walking down a hall at work, came to with my
nose in the carpet and no memory of why I was on the floor. Time to
self-un-medicate, waiting for callback from doc #2 who's covering for
doc #1, considering ER if I don't hear from anybody.
Mark
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
15 Nov 2007 11:18:50 PM |
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RGB wrote:
In article <5q3mn4Ftv9j0U1@mid.individual.net>,
Franz Bestuchev <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are you taking it in the morning if it's 1x/day. Take it at night
instead. See how that goes for a spell. I don't know the half life of
the drug but you might also still need some time to wash out the higher
3x/day out of your system.
Well, I only took it 1x/day in the morning 1x, the day I was told to
reduce the dose to that. I haven't taken any more since yesterday's fun
events and yet I still had another "out of body" experience today --
collapsed completely while walking down a hall at work, came to with my
nose in the carpet and no memory of why I was on the floor. Time to
self-un-medicate, waiting for callback from doc #2 who's covering for
doc #1, considering ER if I don't hear from anybody.
Mark
It could perhaps be an effective drug, but with the side effects you're
having - and a doctor advising you to switch to 1/day I would want to
sleep through my spaced out retarded behaviour instead of starting the
day with it.
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
15 Nov 2007 11:36:55 PM |
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In article <5q4nhqFucuqeU1@mid.individual.net>,
Franz Bestuchev <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
It could perhaps be an effective drug, but with the side effects you're
having - and a doctor advising you to switch to 1/day I would want to
sleep through my spaced out retarded behaviour instead of starting the
day with it.
Makes sense, but falling into the bathtub when I get up for The 3 AM
Whiz isn't exactly restful. Plus the stuff has been screwing up my
sleep, too, it being a very stimulating drug as I'm sure you know.
Mark
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| User: "Gayle" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
14 Nov 2007 07:29:03 PM |
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RGB wrote:
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Scary, very scary. I hope the callback is on its way.
Gayle
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| User: "RGB" |
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14 Nov 2007 11:03:41 PM |
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In article <mZmdncmq65xCPabanZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@rcn.net>,
Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Scary, very scary. I hope the callback is on its way.
Thanks. If the callback is on its way, it's by carrier pigeon; *****
never called. I even told the service "please indicate that this is
urgent". Idno, maybe he's on a plane or something. *****.
Well, no more Mr. N for now, that's for sure, unless I hear back from
Ghost Doc and he still thinks it's a go in spite of recent events.
Mark
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| User: "aj suburban dude" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
15 Nov 2007 06:33:20 PM |
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ah I'm sorry Mark, it sucks that this med isnt working out for you.
I wouldn't be able to cope with 1/10th of that. I haven't read
anything else you posted so I just wanted to say I hope your doc
decides on something that's more compatible with you and helps you
feel better without any of those nasty side effects.
best thougts to you dude.
On Nov 14, 6:28 pm, RGB <-...@-.-> wrote:
OK, I am thinking that maybe Nardil is not exactly my cup of tea.
I've been having some really rude problems ever since I started, and
they seem to just be getting worse: dizziness and a weird, "dreamy"
feeling upon standing up, tremors in one leg after I'd been standing
for a while, cold sweats after lying down, a weird bright spot in the
middle of my visual field when I closed my eyes. Getting up to pee in
the middle of the night has become quite an adventure; the other night
I fell into the bathtub. Good thing it wasn't full of water.
So, I saw my doc this morning, told him about all this, he said cut
back from 15mg 3x day to 1x day and things should be OK. Fair enough,
I was willing to give that a shot.
I'd had my morning pill before I left for the appointment. When I got
back from the doc's and walked up the stairs to my apartment, I was
feeling the usual dizziness, but it was worse than just that: I
couldn't figure out how to unlock my door. I'm standing there with my
keys in one hand, fiddling with the doorknob with the other, left,
right, right, left... finally I realized I had to put the KEY in the
LOCK and turn THAT.
This kind of spaced-out total disorientation reached a severely creepy
peak a little while ago at work. I went out the office suite door and
down the hall to use the bathroom, overshot the men's room and found
myself staring at the wall next to the drinking fountain trying to
figure out what I was trying to do and just drawing a blank for way
too long a time.
When I got back to my desk after finding my way to the potty and doing
my bidness, I got hit with what was beyond any doubt a severe ocular
migraine. The screen in front of me was shimmering all kinds of colors
and I could barely make out what I was typing. I did manage to type
"Leaving early, not feeling well" and send that to my group.
When I got home, my dog didn't run to the door to greet me the way she
usually does. She was just sleeping. But for a few seconds I was
terrified that I'd taken her out and forgotten to bring her back
inside.
Waiting for a callback from my doc now. I don't think I should
continue this drug.
Mark
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| User: "RGB" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
15 Nov 2007 09:12:44 PM |
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In article
<7c4c9275-15f2-402e-9f59-8c76d2ed50cb@i37g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
aj suburban dude <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote:
ah I'm sorry Mark, it sucks that this med isnt working out for you.
I wouldn't be able to cope with 1/10th of that. I haven't read
anything else you posted so I just wanted to say I hope your doc
decides on something that's more compatible with you and helps you
feel better without any of those nasty side effects. best thougts to
you dude.
Thanks. What REALLY sucks is that I've had two calls to my doc's
answering service, then one to them where they said they'd engage his
cover since he's away, then one directly to the covering doc, ignored.
"Urgent", "serious adverse med reaction", "near emergency"... four
calls, spread out over two days, all ignored. I'm on my own with this,
but there's really only one thing that makes sense, I guess, which is
to stop. But I shouldn't have to be guessing, now, should I, given that
I'm supposed to be under professional medical care and have just been
prescribed one of the more "dangerous" meds?
Dunno if you caught my post where I mentioned that I collapsed
completely today at work. Man, this stuff is more fun than a barrel of
Klonnies. Yeeeeeeeeeeeee hah.
Mark
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| User: "used2be" |
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| Title: Re: Fear of Nardil |
16 Nov 2007 03:40:20 PM |
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"RGB" <-@-.-> wrote in message
news:LU7%i.154839$D65.114775@fe09.news.easynews.com...
In article
<7c4c9275-15f2-402e-9f59-8c76d2ed50cb@i37g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
aj suburban dude <suburbanlife@mail.com> wrote:
ah I'm sorry Mark, it sucks that this med isnt working out for you.
I wouldn't be able to cope with 1/10th of that. I haven't read
anything else you posted so I just wanted to say I hope your doc
decides on something that's more compatible with you and helps you
feel better without any of those nasty side effects. best thougts to
you dude.
Thanks. What REALLY sucks is that I've had two calls to my doc's
answering service, then one to them where they said they'd engage his
cover since he's away, then one directly to the covering doc, ignored.
"Urgent", "serious adverse med reaction", "near emergency"... four
calls, spread out over two days, all ignored. I'm on my own with this,
but there's really only one thing that makes sense, I guess, which is
to stop. But I shouldn't have to be guessing, now, should I, given that
I'm supposed to be under professional medical care and have just been
prescribed one of the more "dangerous" meds?
Dunno if you caught my post where I mentioned that I collapsed
completely today at work. Man, this stuff is more fun than a barrel of
Klonnies. Yeeeeeeeeeeeee hah.
i've never heard of anyone experiencing these type things, but there is
always a first. what STUNS me is that no doctor called you back! are you
effin KIDDIN me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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