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Sociology > Depression |
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"Bev Thornton" |
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27 Jun 2005 03:44:27 AM |
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[FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
Sunday, 26 June 2005, 09:00 CDT
Most of us know someone who has been on medication for mental
distress. Tell your GP you are depressed, for example, and chances are
that you'll leave the surgery three minutes later clutching a
prescription for an anti-depressant. Last year, over 3.5 million
people in Britain received 20 million prescriptions for selective
serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Prozac and Seroxat.
Many feel relief that their problem has finally been identified and
happily take medication, seeing it as a cure for something
biologically wrong with them. But, according to an expert from New
Zealand, most mental-health problems are understandable human
reactions to life's difficulties and are not chemical imbalances in
the brain requiring pills.
'In the vast majority of cases for diagnoses of schizophrenia,
anxiety, depression, eating disorders, sexual dysfunction and
attention deficit disorder, the causes will be primarily social,' says
Dr John Read, clinical psychologist at the University of Auckland and
editor of the book, Models of Madness.
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Not all agree with Dr Read. Robin Murray is professor of psychiatry at
the Institute of Psychiatry and a consultant psychiatrist at the
Maudsley Hospital in south London. He says: 'What we know is that
these disorders on the whole are an interaction between one's
vulnerability and social adversity. In the last few years there have
been a number of genes that have been discovered which don't cause the
illness, they just make one more vulnerable. My view is that the
people who believe these are just brain diseases are wrong and the
people who say they are just social conditions are equally blinkered.'
<http://www.rednova.com/news/health/158230/mind_the_drugs_dont_work/>
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Take delight in heedfulness. Guard well your mind.
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: [FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
28 Jun 2005 08:57:10 PM |
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Bev Thornton <Reply-To@not.invalid> wrote:
Sunday, 26 June 2005, 09:00 CDT
'In the vast majority of cases for diagnoses of schizophrenia,
anxiety, depression, eating disorders, sexual dysfunction and
attention deficit disorder, the causes will be primarily social,' says
Dr John Read, clinical psychologist at the University of Auckland and
editor of the book, Models of Madness.
am waiting for a stringent critique of Dr. R's book Bev.
I looked couldn't find any. I'd grant that a large %ge
of anti-dopaminergic Rx scripts aka anti-psychotics are
totally without indications, but I don't think that quite
equates to Dx's of schizophrenia.
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but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "Bev Thornton" |
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| Title: Re: [FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
28 Jun 2005 11:00:24 PM |
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On 2005-06-29, Contrarian wrote:
am waiting for a stringent critique of Dr. R's book Bev.
I looked couldn't find any. I'd grant that a large %ge
of anti-dopaminergic Rx scripts aka anti-psychotics are
totally without indications, but I don't think that quite
equates to Dx's of schizophrenia.
There was a study awhile back regarding Caribbeans and West Africans being
over-diagnosed for schizophrenia in the UK. The researchers found that the
Santeria and Vodun-derived religious beliefs were being misinterpreted by
physicians.
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<bevthornton@despammed.com> Support: <http://www.care.org/>
Without fear, give universally to all beings.
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| User: "Contrarian" |
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| Title: Re: [FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
30 Jun 2005 02:41:58 AM |
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Bev Thornton <Reply-To@not.invalid> wrote:
On 2005-06-29, Contrarian wrote:
totally without indications, but I don't think that quite
equates to Dx's of schizophrenia.
There was a study awhile back regarding Caribbeans and West Africans being
over-diagnosed for schizophrenia in the UK. The researchers found that the
Santeria and Vodun-derived religious beliefs were being misinterpreted by
physicians.
That I can believe. But if this Read person is advising
against Rx for ppl with schizophrenia, I hope he is nailed
by someone more thoroughly than Szasz was.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: [FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
29 Jun 2005 01:54:59 AM |
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In message <slrndc477e.n2f.Reply-To@this.domain.invalid>, Bev Thornton
<Reply-To@Not.Invalid> writes
On 2005-06-29, Contrarian wrote:
am waiting for a stringent critique of Dr. R's book Bev.
I looked couldn't find any. I'd grant that a large %ge
of anti-dopaminergic Rx scripts aka anti-psychotics are
totally without indications, but I don't think that quite
equates to Dx's of schizophrenia.
There was a study awhile back regarding Caribbeans and West Africans being
over-diagnosed for schizophrenia in the UK. The researchers found that the
Santeria and Vodun-derived religious beliefs were being misinterpreted by
physicians.
I believe that there's also evidence that British Asians are being
under-diagnosed for various mental illnesses, especially women. Too much
of life is based on our differences, not our commonality.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Youll Never Know" |
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| Title: Re: [FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
01 Jul 2005 07:31:41 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:54:59 +0100, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <slrndc477e.n2f.Reply-To@this.domain.invalid>, Bev Thornton
<Reply-To@Not.Invalid> writes
On 2005-06-29, Contrarian wrote:
am waiting for a stringent critique of Dr. R's book Bev.
I looked couldn't find any. I'd grant that a large %ge
of anti-dopaminergic Rx scripts aka anti-psychotics are
totally without indications, but I don't think that quite
equates to Dx's of schizophrenia.
There was a study awhile back regarding Caribbeans and West Africans being
over-diagnosed for schizophrenia in the UK. The researchers found that the
Santeria and Vodun-derived religious beliefs were being misinterpreted by
physicians.
I believe that there's also evidence that British Asians are being
under-diagnosed for various mental illnesses, especially women. Too much
of life is based on our differences, not our commonality.
Trouble is if they throw out the baby with the PC bathwater, there
*are* racial differences in a lot of illnesses, for genuine genetic
reasons seldom having anything to do with skin color.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: [FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
02 Jul 2005 01:33:09 AM |
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In message <f0obc117p9hv1d3jno3pf20flc8c7litge@4ax.com>, You'll Never
Know <spam@spamspamspam.org.invalid> writes
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:54:59 +0100, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <slrndc477e.n2f.Reply-To@this.domain.invalid>, Bev Thornton
<Reply-To@Not.Invalid> writes
On 2005-06-29, Contrarian wrote:
am waiting for a stringent critique of Dr. R's book Bev.
I looked couldn't find any. I'd grant that a large %ge
of anti-dopaminergic Rx scripts aka anti-psychotics are
totally without indications, but I don't think that quite
equates to Dx's of schizophrenia.
There was a study awhile back regarding Caribbeans and West Africans being
over-diagnosed for schizophrenia in the UK. The researchers found that the
Santeria and Vodun-derived religious beliefs were being misinterpreted by
physicians.
I believe that there's also evidence that British Asians are being
under-diagnosed for various mental illnesses, especially women. Too much
of life is based on our differences, not our commonality.
Trouble is if they throw out the baby with the PC bathwater, there
*are* racial differences in a lot of illnesses, for genuine genetic
reasons seldom having anything to do with skin color.
Not just genetic, of course. The way some people have learned to behave,
normal in their culture, makes them more likely to be classified as
looney-tunes.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Youll Never Know" |
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| Title: Re: [FEAT] Mind: The Drugs Don't Work |
02 Jul 2005 05:53:27 PM |
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 07:33:09 +0100, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <f0obc117p9hv1d3jno3pf20flc8c7litge@4ax.com>, You'll Never
Know <spam@spamspamspam.org.invalid> writes
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:54:59 +0100, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <slrndc477e.n2f.Reply-To@this.domain.invalid>, Bev Thornton
<Reply-To@Not.Invalid> writes
On 2005-06-29, Contrarian wrote:
am waiting for a stringent critique of Dr. R's book Bev.
I looked couldn't find any. I'd grant that a large %ge
of anti-dopaminergic Rx scripts aka anti-psychotics are
totally without indications, but I don't think that quite
equates to Dx's of schizophrenia.
There was a study awhile back regarding Caribbeans and West Africans being
over-diagnosed for schizophrenia in the UK. The researchers found that the
Santeria and Vodun-derived religious beliefs were being misinterpreted by
physicians.
I believe that there's also evidence that British Asians are being
under-diagnosed for various mental illnesses, especially women. Too much
of life is based on our differences, not our commonality.
Trouble is if they throw out the baby with the PC bathwater, there
*are* racial differences in a lot of illnesses, for genuine genetic
reasons seldom having anything to do with skin color.
Not just genetic, of course. The way some people have learned to behave,
normal in their culture, makes them more likely to be classified as
looney-tunes.
There you go criticizing your Royals again <G>
Yeah the point I was making was there are some diseases which are
connected to the genetics of different "racial" groups and don't
change in incidence much within that population wherever in the world
they live. Other diseases change in incidence according to local diet
and etc. I think it's prolly still true that there are differing
incidences of certain diseases and differing proportions of blood
groups between where the Ancient Brits lived and where the Danes and
Normans and all colonized.
May also be differences where there's interbreeding with sheep, or
bicycles.
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