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Topic:	Sociology > Depression
User:	"pannah"
Date:	08 Sep 2005 10:05:44 PM
Object:	FEMA blocks relief efforts

from
http://www.rense.com/general67/femwont.htm
FEMA's Blocking
Relief Efforts -
An Amazing List
9-8-5

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e..

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec..

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec..

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&BRD=...

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509..

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902dale..

FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470

That last one is real -- not satire but straight from FEMA's website.
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User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	14 Sep 2005 12:55:42 AM

"pannah" <pannah123@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:O_WdnYEl27WTYb3eRVn-og@adelphia.com...

from
http://www.rense.com/general67/femwont.htm
FEMA's Blocking
Relief Efforts -
An Amazing List
9-8-5

<snipped list>
Thank you Pannah!
And their *excuse* was that the National Guard had not yet secured the area.
And why?
On Thursday Mike Brown director of FEMA was making the television news
rounds. In response to NBC News anchor Brian Williams question...
Williams: "Why can't some of the … helicopters that we have heard flying
overhead for days and days and days simply lower pallets of water,
meals-ready-to-eat, medical supplies right into downtown New Orleans? Where
is the aid?"
Brown answered...
Brown: "Brian, it's an absolutely fair question… The federal government just
learned about those people today."
I thought they were going to have to pick Williams up off the floor after
that answer.
An hour later in response to CNN Paula Zahns question...
Zahn: "You're not telling me that you just learned that the folks at the
convention centre didn't have food and water until today, are you?" Zahn
asked. "You had no idea that they were completely cut off?"
He told her the EXACT same thing. Brown said again that federal officials
had just learned of the thousands at the convention centre that day --
Thursday. THURSDAY. While people who could have been saved were dying
instead some still in or on their homes the rest at the centre and the
National Guard was not securing the area it was _only_ because the
government didn't have a fucking clue what was going on.
Sure, Brown is an inadequate, inexperienced, incompetent screw up who should
have never gotten the job in the first place and shoulders a lot of the
responsibility but that's what happens when a dumb ***** president appoints a
close friend instead of appointing someone actually qualified and is so
incredibly stupid in his own right that he spends the first THREE days
saying publicly..."You're doing a hell of a job Brownie"...when in fact the
man had actually done ***** all besides show up for his TV interviews because
he didn't even KNOW anything.
I would be screaming for a presidential impeachment so loud for so long
they'd have to shoot me to shut me up. What has happened there is
unforgivable.
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
The Labyrinth
http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
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User: "AlvinTChase"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	14 Sep 2005 06:11:24 PM

Rhiannon wrote:

I would be screaming for a presidential impeachment so loud for so long
they'd have to shoot me to shut me up. What has happened there is
unforgivable.

--
Rhiannon

well, when it comes to minor things like lying and misleading in
regard to the Iraq war,and the situation in New Orleans etc...
impeachment is uncalled for... what really merits impeachment is major
stuff like a presidents private sex life...
-"Alvintchase"
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User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	14 Sep 2005 11:50:34 PM

"AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126739484.467936.319880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Rhiannon wrote:

I would be screaming for a presidential impeachment so loud for so long
they'd have to shoot me to shut me up. What has happened there is
unforgivable.

--
Rhiannon

Exactly. Our standards need to be higher. When voters don't expect enough
of their politicians, not enough is exactly what they get from them. We
need to stop settling and start demanding.
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
The Labyrinth
http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
"..." -- Marcel Marceau
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	15 Sep 2005 08:48:46 AM

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:50:34 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

Exactly. Our standards need to be higher. When voters don't expect enough
of their politicians, not enough is exactly what they get from them. We
need to stop settling and start demanding.

We'll see if that is done in Louisiana. Mistakes were made all over, but
you have to start at home since those were the mistakes that cost lives.
What is the death toll as far as people who didn't receive *federal* help
in time?
I feel sorry for those 34 people in the nursing home who drowned while the
owners ran off to save themselves.
--
LABOR, n. One of the processes by which A acquires property for B.
- Ambrose Bierce
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User: "Ivan Marsh"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	15 Sep 2005 04:00:53 PM

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:48:46 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:50:34 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

Exactly. Our standards need to be higher. When voters don't expect
enough of their politicians, not enough is exactly what they get from
them. We need to stop settling and start demanding.

We'll see if that is done in Louisiana. Mistakes were made all over,
but you have to start at home since those were the mistakes that cost
lives. What is the death toll as far as people who didn't receive
*federal* help in time?

I feel sorry for those 34 people in the nursing home who drowned while
the owners ran off to save themselves.

Let's start at home shall we:
"New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a
direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been
working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s
on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive
rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast
Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.
Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying
out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping
stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in
crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic
Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans
continued to subside.
Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a
trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending
pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at
the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At
least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically
cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and
flood-control dollars.
Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The
Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it
coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious
questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush
proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed
for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New
Orleans CityBusiness.
On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson
Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has
been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the
war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is
happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we
can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps'
project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson
Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work
that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004
Times-Picayune:
"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is
sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we
can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have
isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so
that we can't raise them."
The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up
another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie
had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher
property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were
also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up
the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.
The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the
federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in
hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of
the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze.
Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million,
down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.
There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was
needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4
or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the
Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:
"That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost
about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi.
About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year
budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the
Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district
office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer
includes the needed money, he said."
The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006.
But now it's too late."
Will Bunch (letters@editorandpublisher.com) is senior writer at the
Philadelphia Daily News. He won a Pulitzer Prize in 1992 when he reported
for Newsday. Much of this article also appears on his blog, Attytood, at
the Daily News.
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	15 Sep 2005 04:18:51 PM

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:00:53 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:48:46 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

We'll see if that is done in Louisiana. Mistakes were made all over,
but you have to start at home since those were the mistakes that cost
lives. What is the death toll as far as people who didn't receive
*federal* help in time?

I feel sorry for those 34 people in the nursing home who drowned while
the owners ran off to save themselves.

Let's start at home shall we:

Let's start in the 1965 when President Johnson authorized the building of
two floodgates on Lake Pontchartrain that could have prevented the flood.
The project was stopped by an environmental group.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169396,00.html
--
There are indeed a great many more things in life than money; and it is
money that gives us access to most of them.
- Terry Eagleton
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User: "Ivan Marsh"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	15 Sep 2005 04:31:48 PM

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:18:51 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:00:53 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now> wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:48:46 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

We'll see if that is done in Louisiana. Mistakes were made all over,
but you have to start at home since those were the mistakes that cost
lives. What is the death toll as far as people who didn't receive
*federal* help in time?

I feel sorry for those 34 people in the nursing home who drowned while
the owners ran off to save themselves.

Let's start at home shall we:

Let's start in the 1965 when President Johnson authorized the building
of two floodgates on Lake Pontchartrain that could have prevented the
flood. The project was stopped by an environmental group.

Let's start in 1718... Stupid French morons screwing us over again!
Boo-Hoo!
I knew there would be a reason to blame France for all our problems again
at some point.
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	15 Sep 2005 08:45:04 AM

On 14 Sep 2005 16:11:24 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Nope. Lying to a grand jury. A lawyer should have known better.
--
There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate
others.
- Golda Meir
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User: ""
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	15 Sep 2005 07:52:06 PM

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:45:04 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:

<(((*> On 14 Sep 2005 16:11:24 -0700, "AlvinTChase" <relayer211@hotmail.com>
<(((*> wrote:
<(((*>
<(((*> > well, when it comes to minor things like lying and misleading in
<(((*> >regard to the Iraq war,and the situation in New Orleans etc...
<(((*> >impeachment is uncalled for... what really merits impeachment is major
<(((*> >stuff like a presidents private sex life...
<(((*>
<(((*> Nope. Lying to a grand jury. A lawyer should have known better.

Okay, English isn't my husband's first language.
But he always pronounces the word "lawyer" as "liar".
Empirical evidence suggests that he's onto something.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	08 Sep 2005 11:19:01 PM

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:05:44 -0400, "pannah" <pannah123@adelphia.net> wrote:

from
http://www.rense.com/general67/femwont.htm

FEMA's Blocking
Relief Efforts -
An Amazing List
9-8-5

Rense seems oblivious to the fact that the city has to be secured before
people can be let in. There is good reason for that. On the one hand you
need to insure the relative safety of the rescue workers. On the other
hand you want to insure that you aren't simply letting in more looters or
other people who would seek to take advantage of the victims.
There is also the point that FEMA knows the city is condemned. They cannot
allow even more people to be exposed to the toxic water. Especially people
who are bringing in supplies that might encourage victims to stay put.
Does anyone have any idea of what could happen is a bunch of rescue workers
trudge back home carrying diseases from the polluted water? Nation-wide
epidemic.
Go to http://www.rense.com and look at the garbage this man advertises on
his site. Psychic pills? Magnetic pendants that cure all your ills?
Jeff Rense is an ignorant con man.
--
Politics should be limited in scope to ware, protection of property, and
the occasional precautionary beheading of a member of the ruling class.
- P.J. O'Rourke
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User: "pannah"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	09 Sep 2005 12:11:32 AM

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:kn22i1lacvt0k2m02vg6ctob0pb1admr03@news.easynews.com...

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:05:44 -0400, "pannah" <pannah123@adelphia.net>
wrote:

from
http://www.rense.com/general67/femwont.htm

FEMA's Blocking
Relief Efforts -
An Amazing List
9-8-5

the navy , red cross, coast guard.... could be looters?
every hurricane has looters and FEMA comes in anyway . I was in two
hurricanes last year, Frances and Jeanne and there was looters and still
FEMA came in the next day or two. and there was a lot of flooding here too,
not like that of course, but many neighborhoods were flooded after Frances.
FEMA was here, help from other states were here, utility workers, volunteers
ect.. within a couple days.

There is also the point that FEMA knows the city is condemned. They
cannot
allow even more people to be exposed to the toxic water. Especially
people
who are bringing in supplies that might encourage victims to stay put.

i think a lot of this aide was offered before it was toxic, it was days
before they started saying the water was toxic.

Does anyone have any idea of what could happen is a bunch of rescue
workers
trudge back home carrying diseases from the polluted water? Nation-wide
epidemic.

would that be worse than sending thousands of rescued victims to all parts
of the country after they spent 5 days wading in oily shitwater?

Go to http://www.rense.com and look at the garbage this man advertises on
his site. Psychic pills? Magnetic pendants that cure all your ills?

Jeff Rense is an ignorant con man.

just based on wht he advertises on his website ?

--
Politics should be limited in scope to ware, protection of property, and
the occasional precautionary beheading of a member of the ruling class.

- P.J. O'Rourke

User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	09 Sep 2005 01:02:51 AM

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:11:32 -0400, "pannah" <pannah123@adelphia.net> wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:kn22i1lacvt0k2m02vg6ctob0pb1admr03@news.easynews.com...

The point is they have to limit who comes in. This situation has the added
problem of toxic water. Anyone who comes in is potentially a new victim.
FEMA has to deal with *them* as well.

i think a lot of this aide was offered before it was toxic, it was days
before they started saying the water was toxic.

It was days before they tested. But everyone knows the water was toxic
almost immediately. That's what happens when flood waters mix with sewage
and industrial chemicals.
The fact that it was early on is the point. FEMA has to make sure those
offering aide won't be injured or killed doing it. Any injuries on the
part of rescuers or those bringing aid just add to the problem. That is
why firefighters stop people from running into burning buildings.

Does anyone have any idea of what could happen is a bunch of rescue
workers
trudge back home carrying diseases from the polluted water? Nation-wide
epidemic.

would that be worse than sending thousands of rescued victims to all parts
of the country after they spent 5 days wading in oily shitwater?

The aid is needed *outside* the disaster area. Get the victims out first,
then treat them before letting them go off on their own. You only add to
the problem by allowing countless others to be exposed to the dangers.

Go to http://www.rense.com and look at the garbage this man advertises on
his site. Psychic pills? Magnetic pendants that cure all your ills?

Jeff Rense is an ignorant con man.

just based on wht he advertises on his website ?

Yes, he's a nutball. Just look at some of the topics of the articles he
posts:
Rense Bigfoot Resource:
http://www.rense.com/bfoot/bnew1.html
The Strange, Mysterious Eternal Allure Of Adolf Hitler:
http://www.rense.com/general51/strange.htm
2005 Mexico UFO Fleet Seen By Thousands:
http://www.rense.com/general66/mexufoandflyhum.htm
Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' is a Misleading Zionist Scam:
http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html
If that is the sort of guy you want to trust for objective commentary, be
my guest. Jeff Rense makes Art Bell look sane.
--
REBEL, n. A proponent of a new misrule who has failed to establish it.
- Ambrose Bierce
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User: "Contrarian"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	09 Sep 2005 05:17:42 AM

pannah <pannah123@adelphia.net> wrote:

CD: Rense seems oblivious to the fact that the city has to be secured
before people can be let in.

Most, probably all of the reports on the rense.com site
are links to sources other than Rense himself. There are
a lot of them. FEMA isn't the only entity reported to
have turned away aid, some LA .gov entity did also,
(I think this was on WND)

Does anyone have any idea of what could happen is a bunch of rescue
workers trudge back home carrying diseases from the polluted water?
Nation-wide epidemic.

Takes more than that for an epidemic. Make the returning
workers stay somewhere for a few days before coming home.
I am also really suspicious about this rescue/recovery effort.
The first days' bungling patently involved incompetence at
all levels, most notably the NO and LA governments. Whether
it's simple incompetence at work now, I cannot say. And
sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from
malice.
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	09 Sep 2005 05:37:21 AM

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:17:42 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:

I am also really suspicious about this rescue/recovery effort.
The first days' bungling patently involved incompetence at
all levels, most notably the NO and LA governments. Whether
it's simple incompetence at work now, I cannot say. And
sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from
malice.

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster in
U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.
At least there are a lot of people doing something, as opposed to the
people at moveon.org who could think of nothing more productive than
protesting outside the White house. That just irks me. The tragedy is
ongoing and they could come up with *nothing* better to do?
--
"He will place a tax on the air you breathe and on the bread you eat; he
will give you a legislation which is as legitimate as it is unjust and
instead of reasons, he'll give you laws. These will grow in the course of
time, until you no longer exist for yourselves but for others."
- Franz Grillparzer (1791-1872), Austrian author, from his play "Libussa"
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User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	14 Sep 2005 12:59:15 AM

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6p2i1hgderotipfr6pvi37h7hib8t0pjb@news.easynews.com...

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:17:42 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster

U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

At least there are a lot of people doing something, as opposed to the
people at moveon.org who could think of nothing more productive than
protesting outside the White house. That just irks me. The tragedy is
ongoing and they could come up with *nothing* better to do?

FEMA wouldn't have let them in anyway.
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
The Labyrinth
http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
.

User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	14 Sep 2005 08:47:56 AM

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:59:15 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6p2i1hgderotipfr6pvi37h7hib8t0pjb@news.easynews.com...

At least there are a lot of people doing something, as opposed to the
people at moveon.org who could think of nothing more productive than
protesting outside the White house. That just irks me. The tragedy is
ongoing and they could come up with *nothing* better to do?

FEMA wouldn't have let them in anyway.

They wouldn't have to go into New Orleans. Maybe people still aren't aware
of this, but all the people who left New Orleans are having a pretty rough
time.
--
IMPIETY, n. Your irreverence toward my deity.
- Ambrose Bierce
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User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	14 Sep 2005 07:48:19 AM

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6p2i1hgderotipfr6pvi37h7hib8t0pjb@news.easynews.com...

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:17:42 GMT, Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> wrote:

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster

U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

Interesting. I thought your government actually paid people to be expert's
on these kinds of things. I thought that was the whole point to emergency
plans and personel and equipment. Let's hope they explained to this family
how "okay" they are doing, all things considered. Or why after FOUR fucking
days the federal government had still done nothing for these people. This
is an absolute disgrace.
Chicago Tribune
By Maureen Ryan
Tribune staff reporter
Published September 13, 2005, 3:06 PM CDT
*Excerpt*
Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard's appearance on "Meet the Press"
on Sunday put everything into perspective, if, by that point, perspective
was still needed.
"Shouldn't the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of New Orleans bear
some responsibility" for the tragic events in that city, host Tim Russert
asked Broussard.
"They were told, like me, every single day, the cavalry's coming, been
promised the cavalry was coming," Broussard shot back. "I have just begun to
hear the hoofs of the cavalry. and we're almost a week out."
And Broussard wept, as veteran CNN correspondent Jeanne Meserve wept on
Tuesday after hearing the cries of scared people trapped in their homes.
Through his tears, Broussard put a face on the tragedy.
"The guy who runs this building I'm in, Emergency Management, he's
responsible for everything," Broussard told Russert. "His mother was trapped
in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, `Are you
coming, son? Is somebody coming?' and he said, `Yeah, mama, somebody's
coming to get you.'
"Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on
Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to
get you on Friday. and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night!"
At that point, Broussard was sobbing.
"I'm sick of the press conferences. For God's sake, just shut up and send us
somebody."
"End Excerpt"
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
The Labyrinth
http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	14 Sep 2005 10:02:30 AM

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:48:19 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:m6p2i1hgderotipfr6pvi37h7hib8t0pjb@news.easynews.com...

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster

U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

You cannot be expert at anything you have never done.
--
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foolish their lack of understanding.
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User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	14 Sep 2005 02:34:32 PM

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:48:19 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest

disaster

U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

Interesting. I thought your government actually paid people to be

expert's

on these kinds of things. I thought that was the whole point to emergency
plans and personel and equipment. Let's hope they explained to this

family

how "okay" they are doing, all things considered. Or why after FOUR

fucking

days the federal government had still done nothing for these people.

This

is an absolute disgrace.

You cannot be expert at anything you have never done.

Oh, well then, that changes everything, as long as they had a good reason,
her drowning was not in vain.
--
Rhiannon
rhianon@sympatico.ca
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	14 Sep 2005 05:26:44 PM

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:34:32 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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Oh, well then, that changes everything, as long as they had a good reason,
her drowning was not in vain.

Drowning? I think I missed the example. But anyone who drowned *after*
the flood (which is the first opportunity the federal government had to
help) is pretty stupid.
--
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German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American
technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times, and
safely home again.
- Gordon Sinclair: Canadian Radio Journalist, 1973
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User: "Bev Thornton"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	14 Sep 2005 12:42:14 PM

On 2005-09-14, CyberDroog wrote:

You cannot be expert at anything you have never done.

There are storms and floods and earthquakes and all sorts of disasters
every year, ongoing all the time. There are plenty of people with direct
experience and there are plenty of experts. When the ***** hits the fan,
it's all a matter of who is in charge.
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User: "Ivan Marsh"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	14 Sep 2005 12:56:24 PM

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:02:30 +0000, CyberDroog wrote:

You cannot be expert at anything you have never done.

Especially if your previous expertise is in Arabian horses.
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	21 Sep 2005 11:51:30 PM

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:48:19 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

Chicago Tribune
By Maureen Ryan
Tribune staff reporter
Published September 13, 2005, 3:06 PM CDT

"The guy who runs this building I'm in, Emergency Management, he's
responsible for everything," Broussard told Russert. "His mother was trapped
in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, `Are you
coming, son? Is somebody coming?' and he said, `Yeah, mama, somebody's
coming to get you.'

"Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on
Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to
get you on Friday. and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night!"

Turns out the story is a fraud. The woman Broussard was speaking of died
August 29th, the first day of the flood. There were no phone calls from
mama. Broussard is a liar.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46344
But it was so touching... why should the truth matter?
--
In comparative terms, there's no poverty in America by a long shot.
Heritage Foundation political scientist Robert Rector has worked up figures
showing that when the official U.S. measure of poverty was developed in
1963, a poor American family had an income twenty-nine times greater than
the average per capita income in the rest of the world. An individual
American could make more money than 93 percent of the other people on the
planet and still be considered poor.
- P.J. O'Rourke
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User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	22 Sep 2005 08:06:03 AM

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:48:19 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

trapped

in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, `Are

you

coming, son? Is somebody coming?' and he said, `Yeah, mama, somebody's
coming to get you.'

"Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on
Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to
get you on Friday. and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday

night!"

The truth always matters once we learn the truth.
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rhianon@sympatico.ca
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http://thelabyrinthofr.blogspot.com
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User: "Charles"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	22 Sep 2005 12:02:53 AM

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:51:30 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:48:19 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

Chicago Tribune story
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0509210129sep21,1,1637069.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts - SPOILER	22 Sep 2005 12:05:33 AM

"Charles" <ckraft@SAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:51:30 GMT, CyberDroog
<CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:48:19 -0400, "Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

trapped

in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, `Are

you

coming, son? Is somebody coming?' and he said, `Yeah, mama, somebody's
coming to get you.'

"Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you

Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming

get you on Friday. and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday

night!"

because its real
.

User: "Alan Harding"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	09 Sep 2005 04:27:10 PM

In message <m6p2i1hgderotipfr6pvi37h7hib8t0pjb@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster in
U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

It may have killed as many people, but it's a lot bigger natural
disaster.
www.akak.essortment.com/newmadrideart_pvm.htm
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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User: "CyberDroog"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	10 Sep 2005 04:35:04 AM

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:27:10 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

In message <m6p2i1hgderotipfr6pvi37h7hib8t0pjb@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster in
U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

It may have killed as many people, but it's a lot bigger natural
disaster.

www.akak.essortment.com/newmadrideart_pvm.htm

I've always heard that how the force of that event is rated is pretty
subjective.
How about October 8th, 1871? The Great Chicago Fire, and the simultaneous,
but little known, Peshtigo, WI fire that killed more people than in
Chicago. About 300 died in Chicago, while 1200-2400 died in Peshtigo.
There are much bigger disasters, but this one may have come from space.
They have some reasons to believe that both fires were caused by the same
event - a piece of an asteroid or a large meteor exploding over the midway
point between the two cities.
--
REPORTER, n. A writer who guesses his way to the truth and dispels it
with a tempest of words.
- Ambrose Bierce
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User: "Alan Harding"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	10 Sep 2005 01:27:54 PM

In message <jm95i1d9nj4hqquqp8fmmnlq5g4li5g7ni@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:27:10 +0100, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

In message <m6p2i1hgderotipfr6pvi37h7hib8t0pjb@news.easynews.com>,
CyberDroog <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> writes

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster in
U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

It may have killed as many people, but it's a lot bigger natural
disaster.

www.akak.essortment.com/newmadrideart_pvm.htm

I've always heard that how the force of that event is rated is pretty
subjective.

There are two different scales used: one is scientific, and is based on
energy levels - the 7.6 or 5.9 ratings we're used to - that's the
Richter scale. It measures magnitude and is based on seismic data. The
other is the Modified Mercalli scale, and is based on the damage the
quake does. It measures intensity, and is based on observed phenomena.
To be a type 12 (the maximum) or catastrophic on the Mercalli scale (the
one that can be applied to historical quakes), there has to be 'total
destruction, objects are thrown into the air, and the ground rises and
falls in waves'. It equates to a magnitude of greater than 8.1. The
Lisbon earthquake of 1755 was catastrophic - the city was razed, and the
ground moved in waves for two hours. I haven't found a conversion to
Richter.
By contrast, the damage caused by Katrina was trivial, unless you were
in its path, of course.
The San Francisco quake of 1906 had a magnitude (Richter) of 8.25, but
the maximum known magnitude is 8.9, in Chile in 1960. The quake causing
the recent tsunami was a lot less than that - destruction depends on
where the epicentre is.
Neither scale is particularly subjective, though the labels of the
Mercalli scale might be.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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User: "Bev Thornton"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	09 Sep 2005 04:58:02 PM

On 2005-09-09, CyberDroog wrote:

It seems like they are doing okay considering it is the largest disaster in
U.S. history. This is the kind of thing no one can be expert at.

It remains to be seen if it is the largest disaster. The Galveston
Hurricane killed somewhere between six and twelve thousand. Then there was
the San Francisco Earthquake which killed between three and six thousand.
And the 1918 Flu Pandemic that killed over half-a-million, but that's a
health disaster rather than a natural one.
Mexico to the rescue!
<http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3344203>
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User: "Contrarian"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	09 Sep 2005 05:08:59 AM

pannah <pannah123@adelphia.net> wrote:

from
http://www.rense.com/general67/femwont.htm

<snip list of reports from sources other than rense.com>
Add to that the /. latest: The FEMA online reporting/claims
site works only with IE.
Yes, there are alternative ways to reach them. And
there are lots of IT mgrs who are equally clueless,
many of them in the private sector. And very likely
they meant to fix it but didn't have time. And it's
probably not a life or death matter to anyone....

--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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User: "millipede man"
Title: Re: FEMA blocks relief efforts	08 Sep 2005 10:21:30 PM

pannah wrote:

from http://www.rense.com/general67/femwont.htm

FEMA's Blocking Relief Efforts - An Amazing List
9-8-5

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e..
FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048
FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec..
FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec..
FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&BRD=...
FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826
FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509..
FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902dale..
FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470
That last one is real -- not satire but straight from FEMA's website.

Somebody needs to be held responsible for this: at the very least, the
FEMA director should be forced to resign. So should the director of
Homeland (In)Security, Michael Chertoff. Ultimately, "President" G.W.
Bush is responsible, too.
Considering that people *die* as a consequence of FEMA's actions or lack
of action, this is more than incompetence - it is criminal negligence.
- millipede man
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