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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "Spinderella"
Date: 04 Jul 2005 01:36:40 PM
Object: Fighting about nothing (vent, long)
I have (had?) a good male friend at work who just baffles me. Wednesday we
had a pretty cool conversation and I was thinking after that crappy as my
life is, I'm glad he's a friend.
Thursday morning he comes in my office and starts this whole debate on is
anger a learned emotion or innate? I should explain here that while we have
a lot of quai-philosophical debates of this kind, he was "getting in my
*****" here and he had to know it. I'm a survivor of violent crime and I had
to go back into therapy for a while earlier this year after a
developmentally disabled man grabbed me on the sidewalk and wouldn't let go.
My friend is in therapy too right now being treated for a phobia.
So I was trying to explain to him that anger can be part of the "flight or
fight" instinct and anger in and of itself is natural and it's how you
channel it that makes a difference and he was being really stubborn about
refusing to see my side. (Not that he had to agree, mind you, but I felt
like he wasn't making any attempt to consider another perspective.) I tried
to appeal to his own experience that if the 'flight' component can get blown
up into a phobia, maybe people can get stuck in the 'fight' part and end up
with PTSD. He sneered at the whole idea.
All the talk about fear/anger in life-threatening situations got to me and I
guess I had some kind of panic attack. I just felt this huge adrenaline
surge and I managed to control it but as that ebbed away I felt tears in my
eyes. Kind of like when you were too scared to cry but when it's over you
fall apart and can't really say why? I told him I couldn't talk about the
topic anymore just then and went to my office to pull myself together. He
left a while later (my office is near the exit) without saying goodnight
like he usually does.
So Friday I apologized for having to end our conversation so abruptly and he
said there was nothing to apologize for. Good. We left the topic alone,
things seemed normal, then later in the day, he's suddenly resentful and
it's because I just 'love to argue'. Well, I do like a good debate, but
that's different from an argument. And he's always liked it too. So I
caught his eye as if to say, "Hey, I'm not mad at you - why are you mad at
me?" He just stared me down. At the end of the day, I wished him a happy
4th and he didn't say anything, just left in huff.
I'm so sad. I have no clue what went wrong. I don't have many friends I
really trust and he's been one. I've had other friendships just
mysteriously go to hell like this in the past and I can't help but wonder if
I'm socially retarded or something. I'm dreading the return to work
tomorrow. Maybe I can hide in my office all day with the door shut, but I
can't do that indefinitely and I don't want to fight with him - especially
when I have no clue what we're fighting about.
.

User: "%"

Title: Re: Fighting about nothing (vent, long) 04 Jul 2005 01:40:43 PM
"Spinderella" <webspinster@cob.web> wrote in message
news:42c97d62_3@newspeer2.tds.net...

I have (had?) a good male friend at work who just baffles me. Wednesday

we

had a pretty cool conversation and I was thinking after that crappy as my
life is, I'm glad he's a friend.

Thursday morning he comes in my office and starts this whole debate on is
anger a learned emotion or innate? I should explain here that while we

have

a lot of quai-philosophical debates of this kind, he was "getting in my
*****" here and he had to know it. I'm a survivor of violent crime and I

had

to go back into therapy for a while earlier this year after a
developmentally disabled man grabbed me on the sidewalk and wouldn't let

go.

My friend is in therapy too right now being treated for a phobia.

So I was trying to explain to him that anger can be part of the "flight or
fight" instinct and anger in and of itself is natural and it's how you
channel it that makes a difference and he was being really stubborn about
refusing to see my side. (Not that he had to agree, mind you, but I felt
like he wasn't making any attempt to consider another perspective.) I

tried

to appeal to his own experience that if the 'flight' component can get

blown

up into a phobia, maybe people can get stuck in the 'fight' part and end

up

with PTSD. He sneered at the whole idea.

All the talk about fear/anger in life-threatening situations got to me and

I

guess I had some kind of panic attack. I just felt this huge adrenaline
surge and I managed to control it but as that ebbed away I felt tears in

my

eyes. Kind of like when you were too scared to cry but when it's over you
fall apart and can't really say why? I told him I couldn't talk about the
topic anymore just then and went to my office to pull myself together. He
left a while later (my office is near the exit) without saying goodnight
like he usually does.

So Friday I apologized for having to end our conversation so abruptly and

he

said there was nothing to apologize for. Good. We left the topic alone,
things seemed normal, then later in the day, he's suddenly resentful and
it's because I just 'love to argue'. Well, I do like a good debate, but
that's different from an argument. And he's always liked it too. So I
caught his eye as if to say, "Hey, I'm not mad at you - why are you mad at
me?" He just stared me down. At the end of the day, I wished him a happy
4th and he didn't say anything, just left in huff.

I'm so sad. I have no clue what went wrong. I don't have many friends I
really trust and he's been one. I've had other friendships just
mysteriously go to hell like this in the past and I can't help but wonder

if

I'm socially retarded or something. I'm dreading the return to work
tomorrow. Maybe I can hide in my office all day with the door shut, but I
can't do that indefinitely and I don't want to fight with him - especially
when I have no clue what we're fighting about.

then don't be lead into fighting

.
User: "Spinderella"

Title: Re: Fighting about nothing (vent, long) 04 Jul 2005 03:56:59 PM
"%" <Persent@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dabvra$uek$1@domitilla.aioe.org...


"Spinderella" <webspinster@cob.web> wrote in message
news:42c97d62_3@newspeer2.tds.net...

I have (had?) a good male friend at work who just baffles me. Wednesday

we

had a pretty cool conversation and I was thinking after that crappy as

my

life is, I'm glad he's a friend.

Thursday morning he comes in my office and starts this whole debate on

is

anger a learned emotion or innate? I should explain here that while we

have

a lot of quai-philosophical debates of this kind, he was "getting in my
*****" here and he had to know it. I'm a survivor of violent crime and I

had

to go back into therapy for a while earlier this year after a
developmentally disabled man grabbed me on the sidewalk and wouldn't let

go.

My friend is in therapy too right now being treated for a phobia.

So I was trying to explain to him that anger can be part of the "flight

or

fight" instinct and anger in and of itself is natural and it's how you
channel it that makes a difference and he was being really stubborn

about

refusing to see my side. (Not that he had to agree, mind you, but I

felt

like he wasn't making any attempt to consider another perspective.) I

tried

to appeal to his own experience that if the 'flight' component can get

blown

up into a phobia, maybe people can get stuck in the 'fight' part and end

up

with PTSD. He sneered at the whole idea.

All the talk about fear/anger in life-threatening situations got to me

and

I

guess I had some kind of panic attack. I just felt this huge adrenaline
surge and I managed to control it but as that ebbed away I felt tears in

my

eyes. Kind of like when you were too scared to cry but when it's over

you

fall apart and can't really say why? I told him I couldn't talk about

the

topic anymore just then and went to my office to pull myself together.

He

left a while later (my office is near the exit) without saying goodnight
like he usually does.

So Friday I apologized for having to end our conversation so abruptly

and

he

said there was nothing to apologize for. Good. We left the topic alone,
things seemed normal, then later in the day, he's suddenly resentful and
it's because I just 'love to argue'. Well, I do like a good debate, but
that's different from an argument. And he's always liked it too. So I
caught his eye as if to say, "Hey, I'm not mad at you - why are you mad

at

me?" He just stared me down. At the end of the day, I wished him a

happy

4th and he didn't say anything, just left in huff.

I'm so sad. I have no clue what went wrong. I don't have many friends

I

really trust and he's been one. I've had other friendships just
mysteriously go to hell like this in the past and I can't help but

wonder

if

I'm socially retarded or something. I'm dreading the return to work
tomorrow. Maybe I can hide in my office all day with the door shut, but

I

can't do that indefinitely and I don't want to fight with him -

especially

when I have no clue what we're fighting about.




then don't be lead into fighting



That's not quite what I meant. I don't intend to be lead into fighting it's
just that he can twist the most innocuous things into something to take
issue with. This is why the only way I can imagine avoiding trouble is to
hide. Otherwise, I'll probably say something that will offend him or look
at him wrong or ???
.
User: "humble.life"

Title: Re: Fighting about nothing (vent, long) 04 Jul 2005 05:03:03 PM
Spinderella wrote:

"%" <Persent@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dabvra$uek$1@domitilla.aioe.org...

"Spinderella" <webspinster@cob.web> wrote in message
news:42c97d62_3@newspeer2.tds.net...

I have (had?) a good male friend at work who just baffles me. Wednesday


we

had a pretty cool conversation and I was thinking after that crappy as


my

life is, I'm glad he's a friend.

Thursday morning he comes in my office and starts this whole debate on


is

anger a learned emotion or innate? I should explain here that while we


have

a lot of quai-philosophical debates of this kind, he was "getting in my
*****" here and he had to know it. I'm a survivor of violent crime and I


had

to go back into therapy for a while earlier this year after a
developmentally disabled man grabbed me on the sidewalk and wouldn't let


go.

My friend is in therapy too right now being treated for a phobia.

So I was trying to explain to him that anger can be part of the "flight


or

fight" instinct and anger in and of itself is natural and it's how you
channel it that makes a difference and he was being really stubborn


about

refusing to see my side. (Not that he had to agree, mind you, but I


felt

like he wasn't making any attempt to consider another perspective.) I


tried

to appeal to his own experience that if the 'flight' component can get


blown

up into a phobia, maybe people can get stuck in the 'fight' part and end


up

with PTSD. He sneered at the whole idea.

All the talk about fear/anger in life-threatening situations got to me


and

I

guess I had some kind of panic attack. I just felt this huge adrenaline
surge and I managed to control it but as that ebbed away I felt tears in


my

eyes. Kind of like when you were too scared to cry but when it's over


you

fall apart and can't really say why? I told him I couldn't talk about


the

topic anymore just then and went to my office to pull myself together.


He

left a while later (my office is near the exit) without saying goodnight
like he usually does.

So Friday I apologized for having to end our conversation so abruptly


and

he

said there was nothing to apologize for. Good. We left the topic alone,
things seemed normal, then later in the day, he's suddenly resentful and
it's because I just 'love to argue'. Well, I do like a good debate, but
that's different from an argument. And he's always liked it too. So I
caught his eye as if to say, "Hey, I'm not mad at you - why are you mad


at

me?" He just stared me down. At the end of the day, I wished him a


happy

4th and he didn't say anything, just left in huff.

I'm so sad. I have no clue what went wrong. I don't have many friends


I

really trust and he's been one. I've had other friendships just
mysteriously go to hell like this in the past and I can't help but


wonder

if

I'm socially retarded or something. I'm dreading the return to work
tomorrow. Maybe I can hide in my office all day with the door shut, but


I

can't do that indefinitely and I don't want to fight with him -


especially

when I have no clue what we're fighting about.



then don't be lead into fighting



That's not quite what I meant. I don't intend to be lead into fighting it's
just that he can twist the most innocuous things into something to take
issue with. This is why the only way I can imagine avoiding trouble is to
hide. Otherwise, I'll probably say something that will offend him or look
at him wrong or ???


that sounds like marriage...
.



User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com"

Title: Re: Fighting about nothing (vent, long) 04 Jul 2005 03:39:28 PM
It's hard to say what's happening there. I'd guess he has is own
issues, and they are getting in the way. He may come around; I hope
so. But you can't fix his problems.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
=====
"Spinderella" <webspinster@cob.web> wrote in message
news:42c97d62_3@newspeer2.tds.net...

I have (had?) a good male friend at work who just baffles me.

Wednesday we

had a pretty cool conversation and I was thinking after that crappy

as my

life is, I'm glad he's a friend.

Thursday morning he comes in my office and starts this whole debate

on is

anger a learned emotion or innate? I should explain here that while

we have

a lot of quai-philosophical debates of this kind, he was "getting in

my

*****" here and he had to know it. I'm a survivor of violent crime

and I had

to go back into therapy for a while earlier this year after a
developmentally disabled man grabbed me on the sidewalk and wouldn't

let go.

My friend is in therapy too right now being treated for a phobia.

So I was trying to explain to him that anger can be part of the

"flight or

fight" instinct and anger in and of itself is natural and it's how

you

channel it that makes a difference and he was being really stubborn

about

refusing to see my side. (Not that he had to agree, mind you, but I

felt

like he wasn't making any attempt to consider another perspective.)

I tried

to appeal to his own experience that if the 'flight' component can

get blown

up into a phobia, maybe people can get stuck in the 'fight' part and

end up

with PTSD. He sneered at the whole idea.

All the talk about fear/anger in life-threatening situations got to

me and I

guess I had some kind of panic attack. I just felt this huge

adrenaline

surge and I managed to control it but as that ebbed away I felt

tears in my

eyes. Kind of like when you were too scared to cry but when it's

over you

fall apart and can't really say why? I told him I couldn't talk

about the

topic anymore just then and went to my office to pull myself

together. He

left a while later (my office is near the exit) without saying

goodnight

like he usually does.

So Friday I apologized for having to end our conversation so

abruptly and he

said there was nothing to apologize for. Good. We left the topic

alone,

things seemed normal, then later in the day, he's suddenly resentful

and

it's because I just 'love to argue'. Well, I do like a good debate,

but

that's different from an argument. And he's always liked it too.

So I

caught his eye as if to say, "Hey, I'm not mad at you - why are you

mad at

me?" He just stared me down. At the end of the day, I wished him a

happy

4th and he didn't say anything, just left in huff.

I'm so sad. I have no clue what went wrong. I don't have many

friends I

really trust and he's been one. I've had other friendships just
mysteriously go to hell like this in the past and I can't help but

wonder if

I'm socially retarded or something. I'm dreading the return to work
tomorrow. Maybe I can hide in my office all day with the door shut,

but I

can't do that indefinitely and I don't want to fight with him -

especially

when I have no clue what we're fighting about.


.


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