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15 Nov 2003 02:29:37 PM |
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Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
Planes and politics:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/11251_Catastrophe.html
sabra <sabra@hod.aarg.net> or <sabra@blackhole.riot.eu.org>
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| User: "Joel_3" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 07:19:13 PM |
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Many Russian aircraft are not certificated for flight within the US.
Their altimeters are in meters and the altimeter settings are in bar instead
of feet and inches of Hg.
There are exceptions that allow them to fly into JFK, for example, but such
aircraft are excluded from flight over populated areas.
http://www.sonnet.com/usr/wildfire/aerial.html
http://www.aerounion.com/www/a3.asp
There are plenty of water bombers in the US and Canada.
Mostly they are ex-military but Bombardier makes an amphibian that is new
construction. (CL214 or CL415 or something)
"sabra" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:IGGDFXPW37940.6455671296@anonymous...
Planes and politics:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/11251_Catastrophe.html
sabra <sabra@hod.aarg.net> or <sabra@blackhole.riot.eu.org>
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 05:01:11 AM |
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On 15 Nov 2003 20:29:37 -0000,
(sabra) wrote:
Planes and politics:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/11251_Catastrophe.html
I am SO glad we're finally gonna be rid of Davis.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 08:07:23 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:01:11 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 15 Nov 2003 20:29:37 -0000,
(sabra) wrote:
Planes and politics:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/11251_Catastrophe.html
I am SO glad we're finally gonna be rid of Davis.
As am I, but in this case the problem was the U.S.Forest Service.
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 08:41:27 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:07:23 GMT, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:01:11 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 15 Nov 2003 20:29:37 -0000,
(sabra) wrote:
Planes and politics:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/11251_Catastrophe.html
I am SO glad we're finally gonna be rid of Davis.
As am I, but in this case the problem was the U.S.Forest Service.
oh.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 11:22:22 AM |
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> spake thusly:
I am SO glad we're finally gonna be rid of Davis.
As am I, but in this case the problem was the U.S.Forest Service.
oh.
Gray Davis was part of the problem also. Critics say that he failed to get
some needed resources that were within his power to mobilize (don't remember
the specifics) in a timely manner for one thing.
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My beliefs:
http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 05:15:24 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:22:22 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> spake thusly:
I am SO glad we're finally gonna be rid of Davis.
As am I, but in this case the problem was the U.S.Forest Service.
oh.
Gray Davis was part of the problem also. Critics say that he failed to get
some needed resources that were within his power to mobilize (don't remember
the specifics) in a timely manner for one thing.
yes, I think that's what I was remembering, but my memory is so bad.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 06:18:10 PM |
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> spake thusly:
As am I, but in this case the problem was the U.S.Forest Service.
Gray Davis was part of the problem also. Critics say that he failed to
get some needed resources that were within his power to mobilize (don't
remember the specifics) in a timely manner for one thing.
yes, I think that's what I was remembering, but my memory is so bad.
Mine is too these days, it seems. If I had more energy I would google for
relevant articles on the subject because I can't remember very many details
of the story.
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My beliefs:
http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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| User: "wombn" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
17 Nov 2003 02:18:41 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:18:10 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> spake thusly:
As am I, but in this case the problem was the U.S.Forest Service.
Gray Davis was part of the problem also. Critics say that he failed to
get some needed resources that were within his power to mobilize (don't
remember the specifics) in a timely manner for one thing.
yes, I think that's what I was remembering, but my memory is so bad.
Mine is too these days, it seems. If I had more energy I would google for
relevant articles on the subject because I can't remember very many details
of the story.
I'd google too but end up searching for 2 hours and not finding it.
And then I'd feel crazy.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 03:31:06 PM |
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sabra <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> spake thusly:
Planes and politics:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/11251_Catastrophe.html
This is a story that I'd like to hear the other side of for sure.
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My beliefs:
http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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| User: "sabra" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 04:18:58 PM |
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This is a story that I'd like to hear the other side of for sure.
Me too.
But, I can tell you that the part about the US not having
anything that can carry and dump as much water is absolutely
true -- yes, I know this.
Expensive; probably. "Too expensive" I don't get. Dumps "too
much water," hunh? No downhill run, who cares -- use the planes
with downhill run where you need 'em, use this where it works.
(300 ft sounds to me like low enough to get the top of a
downhill run pretty well.) Image, ego, and arrogance; quite
possibly.
BTW, I'm a conservative.
sabra <sabra@hod.aarg.net> or <sabra@blackhole.riot.eu.org>
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 04:25:46 PM |
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sabra <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> spake thusly:
This is a story that I'd like to hear the other side of for sure.
Me too.
But, I can tell you that the part about the US not having
anything that can carry and dump as much water is absolutely
true -- yes, I know this.
Yeah, I've never heard of anything with more capacity that I can recall.
Expensive; probably. "Too expensive" I don't get. Dumps "too
much water," hunh? No downhill run, who cares -- use the planes
with downhill run where you need 'em, use this where it works.
(300 ft sounds to me like low enough to get the top of a
downhill run pretty well.) Image, ego, and arrogance; quite
possibly.
Yeah, I don't buy the standard excuses given in the article. There doesn't
seem to me to be any logical reason to not use it.
BTW, I'm a conservative.
So am I. :-)
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My beliefs:
http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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| User: "sabra" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 05:30:22 PM |
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After some more thought, I think that, in the end, it was
probably just bureaucracy.
sabra <sabra@hod.aarg.net> or <sabra@blackhole.riot.eu.org>
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 07:35:22 PM |
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sabra <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> spake thusly:
After some more thought, I think that, in the end, it was
probably just bureaucracy.
sabra <sabra@hod.aarg.net> or <sabra@blackhole.riot.eu.org>
Quite likely.
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My beliefs:
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| User: "sabra" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 10:43:04 PM |
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sabra <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> spake thusly:
After some more thought, I think that, in the end, it was
probably just bureaucracy.
Quite likely.
"Never ascribe malice to that which can be explained by simple
incompetence."
-- unknown
sabra <sabra@hod.aarg.net> or <sabra@blackhole.riot.eu.org>
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 05:32:17 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:25:46 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
sabra <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> spake thusly:
This is a story that I'd like to hear the other side of for sure.
Me too.
But, I can tell you that the part about the US not having
anything that can carry and dump as much water is absolutely
true -- yes, I know this.
Yeah, I've never heard of anything with more capacity that I can recall.
Expensive; probably. "Too expensive" I don't get. Dumps "too
much water," hunh? No downhill run, who cares -- use the planes
with downhill run where you need 'em, use this where it works.
(300 ft sounds to me like low enough to get the top of a
downhill run pretty well.) Image, ego, and arrogance; quite
possibly.
Yeah, I don't buy the standard excuses given in the article. There doesn't
seem to me to be any logical reason to not use it.
BTW, I'm a conservative.
So am I. :-)
The story ran pretty much the same in the L.A.Times. this is only one
of the things that seem to me to have been done wrong during this
fire.
I would hope to see some heads roll.
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| User: "Indigo Moon Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
15 Nov 2003 07:38:09 PM |
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Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAPwest.net> spake thusly:
Yeah, I don't buy the standard excuses given in the article. There
doesn't seem to me to be any logical reason to not use it.
BTW, I'm a conservative.
So am I. :-)
The story ran pretty much the same in the L.A.Times. this is only one
of the things that seem to me to have been done wrong during this
fire.
I would hope to see some heads roll.
I saw a piece that one of the stations covering the fire 24/7 on air ran
about several things that people thought weren't done right and some things
that should have been done that weren't.
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My beliefs:
http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: Fire-fighting Bomber [sp: politics] |
16 Nov 2003 12:43:36 PM |
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In alt.support.depression on Sunday 16 Nov 2003 1:38 am, Indigo Moon Man
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
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I saw a piece that one of the stations covering the fire 24/7 on air ran
about several things that people thought weren't done right and some
things that should have been done that weren't.
Each disaster is a rehearsal for the next.
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