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Sociology > Depression |
| User: |
"Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
| Date: |
04 Jun 2006 04:34:27 PM |
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For Rosena |
Rosena, I'm not sure you saw this in the "@Sick@" thread, so I'm
reposting it in a new one. Could you please let me know if you read
it?
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1149392110.593090.14600@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I don't have faith in talk therapy to be honest. I have had it since
I was 10 all my life.
In the end all change always depended on me saying "CHANGE" and
doing it.
This approach is useful for some things, but useless for trauma.
But I am not telling you I won't do it. I will call Pdoc on Monday
and get referral . . .but right now, deep deep in my soul I see no
hope of a life ever again . . . .
Rosena, "trauma therapy" isn't the usual sort of "talk therapy." There
are some pretty significant differences. It is a specialty in its own
right, involving a number of unique concepts and techniques. The
average therapist (in my opinion, as someone who has known a dozen or
so) can no more handle this area than the average auto mechanic can
fix a jet engine.
In response to this comment you made to Nina:
Hi - this is related to what I wanted to write you about. I know
this
is a rut - that is an understatement. It is like addiction, but Jean
said something other day too which is really driving it - this sense
of
"injustice" that somehow I will "force" right. But I can't.
And I am scare *you* are right. What I mean is is that in the end it
is
a simple act of will of LETTING GO and saying whatever it was, it is
past. And because of that I am afraid this is all about my lack of
character. My cowardliness, or weak-willedness and inability to make
that act of will.
....this is actually not true. For some psychological problems, this is
at least somewhat true, but childhood trauma actually changes the way
the brain processes information, and can't be resolved by any decision
or effort of will. It requires specialized treatment.
Let me make a couple of suggestions. First, look at the work of Bessel
van der Kolk (http://www.traumacenter.org/bvdk.html) and the BASK
model for some insights into the issues involved. (I strongly suspect
the BASK model is relevant for your case.)
Second, one place to look for referrals for specialists in the field
is the ISSD web site (www.issd.org). I would suggest starting with
this (or a similar) list, rather than looking through the Yellow
Pages. If you do look through the Yellow Pages, grill your candidate
therapist on his/her credentials, and make sure he/she is a member of
a professional society that specializes in trauma issues (such as the
ISSD).
Whatever you do, don't waste your time with someone who doesn't know
what he's doing. You need (and deserve) the best.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Rosena" |
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| Title: Re: For Rosena |
04 Jun 2006 05:02:58 PM |
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Okay I need your input here - I found two therapists on the
dissociative site.
But you have heard me go on for years - do you think I might fit in
that category? I thought this when you lose current time like blacking
out for hours or days in memory?
I don't do that. BUT if you think this is ballpark I will indeed call
these two people Monday.
I also looked at truama site and the book seems like one I should read
so I will, I did not see yet if programs or therapists in area
reccommended - there is a porgeam intensive in Baltimore by author but
I can'r leave school to do that.
Thank alot my friend
Rosena
Nom dePlume wrote:
Rosena, I'm not sure you saw this in the "@Sick@" thread, so I'm
reposting it in a new one. Could you please let me know if you read
it?
---
"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1149392110.593090.14600@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I don't have faith in talk therapy to be honest. I have had it since
I was 10 all my life.
In the end all change always depended on me saying "CHANGE" and
doing it.
This approach is useful for some things, but useless for trauma.
But I am not telling you I won't do it. I will call Pdoc on Monday
and get referral . . .but right now, deep deep in my soul I see no
hope of a life ever again . . . .
Rosena, "trauma therapy" isn't the usual sort of "talk therapy." There
are some pretty significant differences. It is a specialty in its own
right, involving a number of unique concepts and techniques. The
average therapist (in my opinion, as someone who has known a dozen or
so) can no more handle this area than the average auto mechanic can
fix a jet engine.
In response to this comment you made to Nina:
Hi - this is related to what I wanted to write you about. I know
this
is a rut - that is an understatement. It is like addiction, but Jean
said something other day too which is really driving it - this sense
of
"injustice" that somehow I will "force" right. But I can't.
And I am scare *you* are right. What I mean is is that in the end it
is
a simple act of will of LETTING GO and saying whatever it was, it is
past. And because of that I am afraid this is all about my lack of
character. My cowardliness, or weak-willedness and inability to make
that act of will.
...this is actually not true. For some psychological problems, this is
at least somewhat true, but childhood trauma actually changes the way
the brain processes information, and can't be resolved by any decision
or effort of will. It requires specialized treatment.
Let me make a couple of suggestions. First, look at the work of Bessel
van der Kolk (http://www.traumacenter.org/bvdk.html) and the BASK
model for some insights into the issues involved. (I strongly suspect
the BASK model is relevant for your case.)
Second, one place to look for referrals for specialists in the field
is the ISSD web site (www.issd.org). I would suggest starting with
this (or a similar) list, rather than looking through the Yellow
Pages. If you do look through the Yellow Pages, grill your candidate
therapist on his/her credentials, and make sure he/she is a member of
a professional society that specializes in trauma issues (such as the
ISSD).
Whatever you do, don't waste your time with someone who doesn't know
what he's doing. You need (and deserve) the best.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Nom dePlume nomdeplume1000-at-yahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: For Rosena |
04 Jun 2006 06:50:48 PM |
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"Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1149458578.745489.78380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Okay I need your input here - I found two therapists on the
dissociative site.
But you have heard me go on for years - do you think I might fit in
that category? I thought this when you lose current time like
blacking
out for hours or days in memory?
That is one symptom, but not the only one. You can have a dissociative
disorder without losing time in your present life.
I don't do that. BUT if you think this is ballpark I will indeed
call
these two people Monday.
I can't tell if you have a dissociative disorder or not. Certainly,
you haven't done anything obvious in that way. However, the reason I
gave you that list (other than the fact that it was one that I could
find) is that dissociation is one response to trauma, so that people
who specialize in dissociation necessarily specialize in trauma, and
it was the trauma aspect I was focusing on in your case.
Having said that, I'll add that dissociative disorders fall on a
spectrum, and in at least two dimensions, so there is plenty of room
for you to have one that isn't obvious. The two dimensions I'm aware
of are
- Dissociation of ego states (in the extreme case, Dissociative
Identity Disorder)
- Dissociation of experiential threads for traumatic experiences
(i.e., as in the BASK model)
The second dimension apparently leads to the first, at least much of
the time.
So where do you fit in this space? I don't know if you have any "ego
state" dissociation, since there is no way to tell from Usenet
conversations. However, I'd bet many chocolate donuts that you have
the second dimension, since it leads to the type of frozen
developmental stages that I have seen in you.
I also looked at truama site and the book seems like one I should
read
so I will, I did not see yet if programs or therapists in area
reccommended - there is a porgeam intensive in Baltimore by author
but
I can'r leave school to do that.
Thank alot my friend
Rosena
You're welcome, Rosena. I wish you success.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| User: "Nina" |
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| Title: Re: For Rosena |
04 Jun 2006 05:32:13 PM |
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On 4 Jun 2006 15:02:58 -0700, "Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
Okay I need your input here - I found two therapists on the
dissociative site.
But you have heard me go on for years - do you think I might fit in
that category? I thought this when you lose current time like blacking
out for hours or days in memory?
I don't do that. BUT if you think this is ballpark I will indeed call
these two people Monday.
I think it unlikely that you have a dissociative disorder, although
there are many variants on this, and not all of them involve true
fugue states or time loss. This is one of the few things that I know
a fair amount about.
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| User: "Rosena" |
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| Title: Re: For Rosena |
04 Jun 2006 08:00:57 PM |
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Right Nina,
I see from Nom's post below where he was going. I think I will call
these two people since specialists and in the area and see if that is
place to start or get directed to right place.
Nina wrote:
On 4 Jun 2006 15:02:58 -0700, "Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
Okay I need your input here - I found two therapists on the
dissociative site.
But you have heard me go on for years - do you think I might fit in
that category? I thought this when you lose current time like blacking
out for hours or days in memory?
I don't do that. BUT if you think this is ballpark I will indeed call
these two people Monday.
I think it unlikely that you have a dissociative disorder, although
there are many variants on this, and not all of them involve true
fugue states or time loss. This is one of the few things that I know
a fair amount about.
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