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Topic:	Sociology > Depression
User:	"Bruce."
Date:	31 Jan 2007 08:54:45 AM
Object:	Furnace

My furnace scares me. I have a York furnace and it has what they call an
igniter which burns out from time to time.
That was never so when I was growing up; the furnaces had pilot lights that
never went out. Now the igniters must be replaced regularly about every 2-4
years in my experience. It's normally expensive to have it done, especially
on an emergency basis, but I found a source for the igniters online and I
replace it myself anymore. I keep several spares in stock so I'm prepared.
It takes me about 30 minutes to replace it due to the bad positioning. I
have to remove several other parts first and it's still hard to get to.
I keep worrying about it burning out while we're gone for a few days or
longer. Will I come home to burst water pipes? Sounds like a ***** poor
design to me.
Bruce.
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 01:14:07 AM

"Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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| My furnace scares me. I have a York furnace and it has what they call an
| igniter which burns out from time to time.
|
| That was never so when I was growing up; the furnaces had pilot lights
that
| never went out. Now the igniters must be replaced regularly about every
2-4
| years in my experience. It's normally expensive to have it done,
especially
| on an emergency basis, but I found a source for the igniters online and I
| replace it myself anymore. I keep several spares in stock so I'm
prepared.
| It takes me about 30 minutes to replace it due to the bad positioning. I
| have to remove several other parts first and it's still hard to get to.
|
| I keep worrying about it burning out while we're gone for a few days or
| longer. Will I come home to burst water pipes? Sounds like a ***** poor
| design to me.
|
| Bruce.
|
|
Is it electronic ignition? if so, the flame sensor/ignitor is only used
when a call for heat is sent from the room thermostat. If it is just a
standing pilot, then a thermocouple may be what is causing your problem,
an overly adjusted pilot flame will shorten the life of such. 2-4 years does
not seem to be right, whatever the situation is.
Another type is like a ceramic block with a glow type plug on it? They are
very fragile and easy to damage, same deal as above though, only on
demand from the room stat.
.

User: "Bruce."
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 08:47:27 AM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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Is it electronic ignition?

I'm not sure what you mean there. If you're asking if it's a gas pilot
light or am electrical spark, no. It's a spiral wound carbon glow coil.
When the thermostat calls for heat, the furnace computer energizes the coil
which then glows almost white hot. The coil is sitting off to the side but
in a gas stream, and the result is igniting the gas. Once the flame
thermocouple senses the burning flame, the igniter is deenergized.
The biggest problem isn't that it glows white hot for a short period, the
problem is that the igniter coils sits in gas flow and so the flame. The
main burner flame slowly erodes the carbon coil and eventually eats
completely though the coil.
I've also had coils crack and so become electrically open.
The first igniter (I bought this townhouse new in 1994) lasted 4 years and I
called for service to fix it. I asked him about it and he said igniters
lasting 3-4 years was entirely normal for this York furnace. I was pissed
at the time knowing I would have to go through this nonsense every few
years.

if so, the flame sensor/ignitor is only used
when a call for heat is sent from the room thermostat.

Yes, the igniter and flame sensor are different parts. When called for by
the thermostat, the computer engages an exhaust fan first. Assuming no
backpressure from the exhaust, the igniter kicks in. After a few seconds,
the gas kicks in. Once the flame sensor senses flame, the computer turns
the igniter off. If no flame is sensed, everything shuts down with the
exception of the main blower fan which I assume is to clear any accumulated
gas. Then a LED flashes a code which the manual calls "lockout". You have
to power down the furnace (reboot) to get it to try again.

If it is just a
standing pilot, then a thermocouple may be what is causing your problem,
an overly adjusted pilot flame will shorten the life of such.

I've watched it and everything seems to be working properly. The furnace
cycles about 4-6 times per hour which I gather is normal. I do not see
excessive cycling. It turns on when the thermostat calls for heat and shuts
down when the house temperature hits the thermostant setting.

2-4 years does
not seem to be right, whatever the situation is.

My first one lasted 4 years. Every one since then has been 2-3 years. The
repair guy said that was normal. I call it a horrible design.

Another type is like a ceramic block with a glow type plug on it? They
are
very fragile and easy to damage, same deal as above though, only on
demand from the room stat.

I don't think this one is ceramic. It has the appearance of being
compressed carbon. There's a picture of part "Round Hot Surface Ignitor
IG102" on page:
http://www.arnoldservice.com/york_ignitors.htm
Bruce.
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 11:24:47 PM

"Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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|
| I don't think this one is ceramic. It has the appearance of being
| compressed carbon. There's a picture of part "Round Hot Surface Ignitor
| IG102" on page:
|
| http://www.arnoldservice.com/york_ignitors.htm
|
| Bruce.
|
|
Yeah, I see the one you have, not of good quality by the look of it, and
like Franz mentioned there are upgrades, model numbers below look more
durable and would be a retro fit kit with all hardware required.
#473-20937-001
#02532625000
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 11:25:44 PM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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Ignitor

and

like Franz mentioned there are upgrades, model numbers below look

durable and would be a retro fit kit with all hardware required.

#473-20937-001
#02532625000

do an internet search then act like you know ,
then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 11:42:35 PM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| news:45c2cb1e$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| >
| > "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
| > news:34nwh.6833$O02.988@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
| >
| > |
| > | I don't think this one is ceramic. It has the appearance of being
| > | compressed carbon. There's a picture of part "Round Hot Surface
| Ignitor
| > | IG102" on page:
| > |
| > | http://www.arnoldservice.com/york_ignitors.htm
| > |
| > | Bruce.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > Yeah, I see the one you have, not of good quality by the look of it,
| and
| > like Franz mentioned there are upgrades, model numbers below look
| more
| > durable and would be a retro fit kit with all hardware required.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > #473-20937-001
| > #02532625000
| >
| >
|
|
| do an internet search then act like you know ,
| then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
|
Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my job, yeah, something
you wouldn't know about.
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 11:50:53 PM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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being

| > | compressed carbon. There's a picture of part "Round Hot Surface
| Ignitor
| > | IG102" on page:
| > |
| > | http://www.arnoldservice.com/york_ignitors.htm
| > |
| > | Bruce.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > Yeah, I see the one you have, not of good quality by the look of

it,

| and
| > like Franz mentioned there are upgrades, model numbers below look
| more
| > durable and would be a retro fit kit with all hardware required.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > #473-20937-001
| > #02532625000
| >
| >
|
|
| do an internet search then act like you know ,
| then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
|

Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my job, yeah,

something

you wouldn't know about.

then i guess i'm a furnance ,
cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 11:54:34 PM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| news:45c2cf49$0$9772$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| >
| > "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:8IqdnRS3Qe0qVl_YnZ2dnUVZ_rylnZ2d@giganews.com...
| > |
| > | "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| > | news:45c2cb1e$0$16557$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > | >
| > | > "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:34nwh.6833$O02.988@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | I don't think this one is ceramic. It has the appearance of
| being
| > | > | compressed carbon. There's a picture of part "Round Hot Surface
| > | Ignitor
| > | > | IG102" on page:
| > | > |
| > | > | http://www.arnoldservice.com/york_ignitors.htm
| > | > |
| > | > | Bruce.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Yeah, I see the one you have, not of good quality by the look of
| it,
| > | and
| > | > like Franz mentioned there are upgrades, model numbers below look
| > | more
| > | > durable and would be a retro fit kit with all hardware required.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > #473-20937-001
| > | > #02532625000
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > | do an internet search then act like you know ,
| > | then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
| > |
| >
| >
| > Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my job, yeah,
| something
| > you wouldn't know about.
| >
| >
|
| then i guess i'm a furnance ,
| cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light
|
Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin already ***** for
brains.
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:01:31 AM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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Surface

| > | Ignitor
| > | > | IG102" on page:
| > | > |
| > | > | http://www.arnoldservice.com/york_ignitors.htm
| > | > |
| > | > | Bruce.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Yeah, I see the one you have, not of good quality by the

look of

| it,
| > | and
| > | > like Franz mentioned there are upgrades, model numbers below

look

| > | more
| > | > durable and would be a retro fit kit with all hardware

required.

| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > #473-20937-001
| > | > #02532625000
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > | do an internet search then act like you know ,
| > | then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
| > |
| >
| >
| > Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my job, yeah,
| something
| > you wouldn't know about.
| >
| >
|
|

Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin already *****

for

brains.

ok , i'll try a checker ,

| then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,

well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:07:23 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| > | > |
| > | > | do an internet search then act like you know ,
| > | > | then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my job, yeah,
| > | something
| > | > you wouldn't know about.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
|
| > |
| >
| >
| > Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin already *****
| for
| > brains.
| >
| >
|
| ok , i'll try a checker ,
|
| > | then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| > | cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,
| well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
| uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
|
yeah, and as usual, you make no sense at all, have another drink bozo.
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:09:17 AM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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*****

| for
| > brains.
| >
| >
|
| ok , i'll try a checker ,
|
| > | then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| > | cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,
| well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
| uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
|

yeah, and as usual, you make no sense at all, have another drink

bozo.

yea and you get a fresh towel for the next jpeg
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:20:57 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| news:45c2d519$0$16556$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| >
| > "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:m5KdncG3yOWGSV_YnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@giganews.com...
| > |
| >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | do an internet search then act like you know ,
| > | > | > | then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my job, yeah,
| > | > | something
| > | > | > you wouldn't know about.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin already
| *****
| > | for
| > | > brains.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > | ok , i'll try a checker ,
| > |
| > | > | then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| > | > | cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,
| > | well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
| > | uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
| > |
| >
| >
| >
| > yeah, and as usual, you make no sense at all, have another drink
| bozo.
| >
| >
|
|
| yea and you get a fresh towel for the next jpeg
|
Post something interesting for a change, perhaps how hard done by you are,
yeah, that would make a good topic.
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:23:12 AM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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yeah,

| > | > | something
| > | > | > you wouldn't know about.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin

already

| *****
| > | for
| > | > brains.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > | ok , i'll try a checker ,
| > |
| > | > | then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| > | > | cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,
| > | well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
| > | uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
| > |
| >
| >
| >
| > yeah, and as usual, you make no sense at all, have another

drink

are,

yeah, that would make a good topic.

it would also be a lie ,
compared to the hell you live in ,
you're sick , screwed up and depressed
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:32:51 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| news:45c2d847$0$16555$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| >
| > "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:jsudnYowN_NzSF_YnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@giganews.com...
| > |
| > | "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| > | news:45c2d519$0$16556$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > | >
| > | > "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:m5KdncG3yOWGSV_YnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@giganews.com...
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | do an internet search then act like you know ,
| > | > | > | > | then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my job,
| yeah,
| > | > | > | something
| > | > | > | > you wouldn't know about.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin
| already
| > | *****
| > | > | for
| > | > | > brains.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | ok , i'll try a checker ,
| > | > |
| > | > | > | then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| > | > | > | cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,
| > | > | well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
| > | > | uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > yeah, and as usual, you make no sense at all, have another
| drink
| > | bozo.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > | yea and you get a fresh towel for the next jpeg
| > |
| >
| >
| > Post something interesting for a change, perhaps how hard done by you
| are,
| > yeah, that would make a good topic.
| >
| >
|
| it would also be a lie ,
| compared to the hell you live in ,
| you're sick , screwed up and depressed
|
Hey, but you just told me the other day I don't suffer with depression, or
was that just another of your delusional moments? Love your projection by
the way, it really portrays you well.
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:39:16 AM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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job,

| yeah,
| > | > | > | something
| > | > | > | > you wouldn't know about.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin
| already
| > | *****
| > | > | for
| > | > | > brains.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | ok , i'll try a checker ,
| > | > |
| > | > | > | then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| > | > | > | cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,
| > | > | well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
| > | > | uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > yeah, and as usual, you make no sense at all, have another
| drink
| > | bozo.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > | yea and you get a fresh towel for the next jpeg
| > |
| >
| >
| > Post something interesting for a change, perhaps how hard done by

you

depression, or

was that just another of your delusional moments? Love your

projection by

the way, it really portrays you well.

everything i say is true ,

and i'm sure you admire my protruberances
giving you have so little of you'rn and the you'rn ain't a typo ,
there are some here that know what it is

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 12:58:44 AM

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| "Justin" <.> wrote in message
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| >
| > "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:MqCdnULMneKvRF_YnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@giganews.com...
| > |
| > | "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| > | news:45c2d847$0$16555$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > | >
| > | > "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:jsudnYowN_NzSF_YnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@giganews.com...
| > | > |
| > | > | "Justin" <.> wrote in message
| > | > | news:45c2d519$0$16556$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:m5KdncG3yOWGSV_YnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@giganews.com...
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | do an internet search then act like you know ,
| > | > | > | > | > | then format your head and install , WHAT.3.01
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Come back for more ignorant little *****, it's my
| job,
| > | yeah,
| > | > | > | > | something
| > | > | > | > | > you wouldn't know about.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Try a spell checker, or perhaps another jug, ya slippin
| > | already
| > | > | *****
| > | > | > | for
| > | > | > | > brains.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | ok , i'll try a checker ,
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | then i guess i'm a furnace ,
| > | > | > | > | cause i'm the only thing you service , pilot light ,
| > | > | > | well , that a far cry from that fk up you made Dixe Lee ,
| > | > | > | uually , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > yeah, and as usual, you make no sense at all, have another
| > | drink
| > | > | bozo.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | yea and you get a fresh towel for the next jpeg
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Post something interesting for a change, perhaps how hard done by
| you
| > | are,
| > | > yeah, that would make a good topic.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > | it would also be a lie ,
| > | compared to the hell you live in ,
| > | you're sick , screwed up and depressed
| > |
| >
| >
| > Hey, but you just told me the other day I don't suffer with
| depression, or
| > was that just another of your delusional moments? Love your
| projection by
| > the way, it really portrays you well.
| >
| >
| >
| > everything i say is true ,
| and i'm sure you admire my protruberances
| giving you have so little of you'rn and the you'rn ain't a typo ,
| there are some here that know what it is
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
If you honestly believe that everything you say is true, then you are a
bigger fool than I thought you were. Go and take a long hard look at
yourself in the mirror, it aint nice.
Oh, and don't flatter yourself, there is nothing I admire about you!
PS: Are Jane and Rhi really sluts? they must be, you said it, it's gotta
be true, right?
.

User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 11:24:04 AM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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PS: Are Jane and Rhi really sluts? they must be, you said it, it's
gotta
be true, right?

That's how afraid he is of real life human interaction. Anyone who's had
any is a *****.
--
Rhi
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 11:23:20 AM

"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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PS: Are Jane and Rhi really sluts? they must be, you said it,

it's

gotta
be true, right?

That's how afraid he is of real life human interaction. Anyone who's

had

any is a *****.

--
Rhi

yea , you really scare me , but i still love what i've turned you in to
.

User: "Rhiannon"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 11:37:44 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Rhiannon" <rhianon@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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PS: Are Jane and Rhi really sluts? they must be, you said it,

it's

gotta
be true, right?

That's how afraid he is of real life human interaction. Anyone who's

had

any is a *****.

--
Rhi

yea , you really scare me , but i still love what i've turned you in to

Laugh!
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:01:27 AM

If you honestly believe that everything you say is true, then you are

bigger fool than I thought you were. Go and take a long hard look at
yourself in the mirror, it aint nice.

Oh, and don't flatter yourself, there is nothing I admire about you!

PS: Are Jane and Rhi really sluts? they must be, you said it, it's

gotta

be true, right?

| > everything i say is true ,
| and i'm sure you admire my protruberances
| giving you have so little of you'rn and the you'rn ain't a typo ,
| there are some here that know what it is

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:08:56 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
|
| >
| > If you honestly believe that everything you say is true, then you are
| a
| > bigger fool than I thought you were. Go and take a long hard look at
| > yourself in the mirror, it aint nice.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > Oh, and don't flatter yourself, there is nothing I admire about you!
| >
| >
| > PS: Are Jane and Rhi really sluts? they must be, you said it, it's
| gotta
| > be true, right?
| >
| >
|
|
| > | > everything i say is true ,
| > | and i'm sure you admire my protruberances
| > | giving you have so little of you'rn and the you'rn ain't a typo ,
| > | there are some here that know what it is
|
Just what I expected, hide behind your insipid cut and paste collection of
*****, then deny all responsibility.
Why don't you change your nic to chameleon?
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:09:26 AM

|
| > | > everything i say is true ,
| > | and i'm sure you admire my protruberances
| > | giving you have so little of you'rn and the you'rn ain't a typo

| > | there are some here that know what it is
|

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:19:25 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
|
| > |
| > | > | > everything i say is true ,
| > | > | and i'm sure you admire my protruberances
| > | > | giving you have so little of you'rn and the you'rn ain't a typo
| ,
| > | > | there are some here that know what it is
| > |
| >
| >
|
| >
|
For someone that thinks he's everyone's hero, you sure back down pretty
quick, but then again, you are so predictable.
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:24:27 AM

For someone that thinks he's everyone's hero, you sure back down

pretty

quick, but then again, you are so predictable.

This month
113

, in one day and i owe it all to Justout
.

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:35:49 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
|
| This month
| 113

, in one day and i owe it all to, ummm, who can
I blame next?
|
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:44:16 AM

thank you for being used to increase my post count

User: "Justin ."
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:47:29 AM

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
|
| thank you for being used to increase my jug count
| >
|
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Furnace	02 Feb 2007 01:54:12 AM

"Justin" <.> wrote in message
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"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message

|
| thank you for being used to increase my justout count
| >
|

User: "Frett"
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 11:52:15 AM

On Feb 1, 9:47 am, "Bruce." <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Justin" <.> wrote in message

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Is it electronic ignition?

I'm not sure what you mean there. If you're asking if it's a gas pilot
light or am electrical spark, no. It's a spiral wound carbon glow coil.
When the thermostat calls for heat, the furnace computer energizes the coil
which then glows almost white hot. The coil is sitting off to the side but
in a gas stream, and the result is igniting the gas. Once the flame
thermocouple senses the burning flame, the igniter is deenergized.

The biggest problem isn't that it glows white hot for a short period, the
problem is that the igniter coils sits in gas flow and so the flame. The
main burner flame slowly erodes the carbon coil and eventually eats
completely though the coil.

I've also had coils crack and so become electrically open.

The first igniter (I bought this townhouse new in 1994) lasted 4 years and I
called for service to fix it. I asked him about it and he said igniters
lasting 3-4 years was entirely normal for this York furnace. I was pissed
at the time knowing I would have to go through this nonsense every few
years.

if so, the flame sensor/ignitor is only used
when a call for heat is sent from the room thermostat.

If it is just a
standing pilot, then a thermocouple may be what is causing your problem,
an overly adjusted pilot flame will shorten the life of such.

2-4 years does
not seem to be right, whatever the situation is.

My first one lasted 4 years. Every one since then has been 2-3 years. The
repair guy said that was normal. I call it a horrible design.

Another type is like a ceramic block with a glow type plug on it? They
are
very fragile and easy to damage, same deal as above though, only on
demand from the room stat.

I don't think this one is ceramic. It has the appearance of being
compressed carbon. There's a picture of part "Round Hot Surface Ignitor
IG102" on page:

http://www.arnoldservice.com/york_ignitors.htm

Bruce.

You cats and your gas....brave, if you ask me. I have oil heat. But
you guys know the ins and outs of it, gas no less.
I burned the hell out of both arms yesterday putting logs in the WB
stove. I do it every year. So I got a long leather glove out and
will use it. The stove is in the solarium, which has a sloping
cathedral ceiling. So I have to get the thing cooking, then open the
doors, turn on the overhead tropical fan, and it warms the entire
house. My oil guy is gonna expect me to have used more. Using 125
gallons a month, at 2.39 a gallon. If I didn't have to heat the house
to warm up my friend and a sick cat, I'd never use the furnace. Plus,
splitting wood removes the frustrations..."You son of a
'Whack'.....Dirty freakin' Whack'....That lowlife 'Whack'
Ahhhh...release.
--Frett
.

User: "Bruce."
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 12:05:01 PM

Well, I don't know about being brave, but I can say I've never burned myself
on my gas furnace or clothes drier. But my gas stove is another story. I
have burned myself there.

Using 125
gallons a month, at 2.39 a gallon.

With this very mild winter, my worst month this year has been $80. But last
year was another story. My worst month last year was $250, but just for one
month.

Plus,
splitting wood removes the frustrations..."You son of a
'Whack'.....Dirty freakin' Whack'....That lowlife 'Whack'

Ahhhh...release.

Yep, sounds very tension releasing. :-)
Bruce.
.

User: "Frett"
Title: Re: Furnace	01 Feb 2007 03:56:32 PM

On Feb 1, 1:05 pm, "Bruce." <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:

Well, I don't know about being brave, but I can say I've never burned myself
on my gas furnace or clothes drier. But my gas stove is another story. I
have burned myself there.

Using 125
gallons a month, at 2.39 a gallon.

With this very mild winter, my worst month this year has been $80. But last
year was another story. My worst month last year was $250, but just for one
month.

Yeah, I'm getting screwed. It was 1.19 a gallon 2 years ago. 1.59
last year.

Plus,
splitting wood removes the frustrations..."You son of a
'Whack'.....Dirty freakin' Whack'....That lowlife 'Whack'

Ahhhh...release.

Yep, sounds very tension releasing. :-)

Yeah, I had a treeman cut a huge oak limb over the house, so that's
seasoning for next years whacking. This house has a wood burning
FURNACE in the basement, I had them unhook it. The place was built in
'74, gas crisis/embargo and all. Might hook it up again someday.
Pain in the hooters, I bet, feeding it 5 times a day. And no exterior
door to get in the cellar (the add on solarium buried it).
Carrying wood, good for the biceps. Yeah, I'm huge. If I could just
carry it on my gut....I'd be Batman.
--Frett

Bruce.

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