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"Schitzu" |
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01 Jan 2006 01:10:10 AM |
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HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
since we seem to have been forgotten by those over there, hopeful new
year to us.
now that i've made the toast, who's got the marmalade? wait, it's this
side of the pond, let's have French Toast monsieurs et mesdames.
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:Schitzu
:Thought for the journey:
How come no matter what color the liquid is the froth is always white?
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 01:18:38 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:10:10 +0100, Schitzu <schittzu@netscape.net>
wrote:
since we seem to have been forgotten by those over there, hopeful new
year to us.
now that i've made the toast, who's got the marmalade? wait, it's this
side of the pond, let's have French Toast monsieurs et mesdames.
I think that's Freedom Toast to us merkins. some sort of sillyness
that got started somewhere. What's the German traditions for the day?
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| User: "bunny" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 02:15:45 AM |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:bg0fr1p7ga78vl0c3o4ei2ud6tpkh7s9fr@4ax.com...
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:10:10 +0100, Schitzu <schittzu@netscape.net>
wrote:
since we seem to have been forgotten by those over there, hopeful new
year to us.
now that i've made the toast, who's got the marmalade? wait, it's this
side of the pond, let's have French Toast monsieurs et mesdames.
I think that's Freedom Toast to us merkins. some sort of sillyness
that got started somewhere. What's the German traditions for the day?
A friend told me a few days ago that Freedom Fries is nothing new -- that
during WW2, sauerkraut was renamed "Freedom Cabbage". That was a new one on
me.
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 02:21:56 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:15:45 GMT, "bunny"
<bunnynospam@nospam.blarg.net> wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
news:bg0fr1p7ga78vl0c3o4ei2ud6tpkh7s9fr@4ax.com...
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:10:10 +0100, Schitzu <schittzu@netscape.net>
wrote:
since we seem to have been forgotten by those over there, hopeful new
year to us.
now that i've made the toast, who's got the marmalade? wait, it's this
side of the pond, let's have French Toast monsieurs et mesdames.
I think that's Freedom Toast to us merkins. some sort of sillyness
that got started somewhere. What's the German traditions for the day?
A friend told me a few days ago that Freedom Fries is nothing new -- that
during WW2, sauerkraut was renamed "Freedom Cabbage". That was a new one on
me.
I wonder what was sushi those days. I do remember a lot of ill will
towand the Japanese, not so much toward the Germans. I don't know if
I got it in real time, or from reading books and magazines that my dad
had saved, it could have been either way. So much of what people
consider history was current events.
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| User: "bunny" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 02:27:08 AM |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote
I wonder what was sushi those days. I do remember a lot of ill will
towand the Japanese, not so much toward the Germans. I don't know if
I got it in real time, or from reading books and magazines that my dad
had saved, it could have been either way. So much of what people
consider history was current events.
No kidding! I felt so old the day I said the question used to be, where
were you when Kennedy was shot, and a twenty-something said "Ted Kennedy was
shot?"
Were merkins chi-chi enough to eat sushi then? I don't even remember people
eating much sushi when I was a tad -- were there many sushi restaurants
before the 80s?
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 02:32:06 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:27:08 GMT, "bunny"
<bunnynospam@nospam.blarg.net> wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote
I wonder what was sushi those days. I do remember a lot of ill will
towand the Japanese, not so much toward the Germans. I don't know if
I got it in real time, or from reading books and magazines that my dad
had saved, it could have been either way. So much of what people
consider history was current events.
No kidding! I felt so old the day I said the question used to be, where
were you when Kennedy was shot, and a twenty-something said "Ted Kennedy was
shot?"
Were merkins chi-chi enough to eat sushi then? I don't even remember people
eating much sushi when I was a tad -- were there many sushi restaurants
before the 80s?
I don't think so, although during the time period I was thinking about
we didn't eat all that much meat. War used to be serious, with
rationing and such, now it seems to be a lesiure time activity.
except for the people doing it, of course, but for the rest of us it's
just something on the news.
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| User: "bunny" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 02:56:24 AM |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote
I don't think so, although during the time period I was thinking about
we didn't eat all that much meat. War used to be serious, with
rationing and such, now it seems to be a lesiure time activity.
except for the people doing it, of course, but for the rest of us it's
just something on the news.
Yeah, that's very true, and I feel conflicted about that. I mean, we're so
lucky that so many of us have the luxury of living like that, and I feel
that keenly, but I also worry that it's -- well, that it's like the electric
blanket discussion in that old movie, My Dinner With Andre. Andre and Wally
Shawn debated whether it was good to use an electric blanket, with Andre
saying that he thought it removed us just a little too far from nature, from
the seasons, from the reality of cold. Wally was like, yeah, but you know,
I'd never give up my electric blanket!
Until they outsourced our jobs to India and closed the Seattle office this
past summer, I worked for United Airlines. Every day I talked to guys and
gals in the service just going out to Iraq, or coming back from Iraq, on
leave, and their family members trying to arrange flights. It was sort of
heart-rending. They told me a lot of stories, and it was a daily reminder
that the war is very real for a lot of families these days, and yet so
unreal for a lot of people, too, just like you said. It's such a divide in
experience.
I'd like to think that every one of those kids I talked to is still safe and
alive. I know that's probably not true, and it makes me want to cry. I
can't forget them.
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| User: "Charles" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 03:13:41 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:56:24 GMT, "bunny"
<bunnynospam@nospam.blarg.net> wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote
I don't think so, although during the time period I was thinking about
we didn't eat all that much meat. War used to be serious, with
rationing and such, now it seems to be a lesiure time activity.
except for the people doing it, of course, but for the rest of us it's
just something on the news.
Yeah, that's very true, and I feel conflicted about that. I mean, we're so
lucky that so many of us have the luxury of living like that, and I feel
that keenly, but I also worry that it's -- well, that it's like the electric
blanket discussion in that old movie, My Dinner With Andre. Andre and Wally
Shawn debated whether it was good to use an electric blanket, with Andre
saying that he thought it removed us just a little too far from nature, from
the seasons, from the reality of cold. Wally was like, yeah, but you know,
I'd never give up my electric blanket!
Until they outsourced our jobs to India and closed the Seattle office this
past summer, I worked for United Airlines. Every day I talked to guys and
gals in the service just going out to Iraq, or coming back from Iraq, on
leave, and their family members trying to arrange flights. It was sort of
heart-rending. They told me a lot of stories, and it was a daily reminder
that the war is very real for a lot of families these days, and yet so
unreal for a lot of people, too, just like you said. It's such a divide in
experience.
I'd like to think that every one of those kids I talked to is still safe and
alive. I know that's probably not true, and it makes me want to cry. I
can't forget them.
Yeah, there's probably some who won't come back, or won't be whole
when they do, and there's real families whose way of life will be
destroyed. I wish it were as real for our "leaders."
I read something recently regarding the first Gulf War, where there
were early estimates that 30,000 American soldiers would be lost. We
went in anyway. It's appalling to me that our leadership would think
that those lives are theirs to use, and dispense with, as they see
fit.
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| User: "bunny" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 04:16:00 AM |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote
Yeah, there's probably some who won't come back, or won't be whole
when they do, and there's real families whose way of life will be
destroyed. I wish it were as real for our "leaders."
I'm afraid you're right. And I wish the same thing. There was something to
be said for the old style combat, you know the kind you see in movies?,
where the king or leader was fighting with his men in battle, right there in
the middle of it, seeing it, sharing it.
I read something recently regarding the first Gulf War, where there
were early estimates that 30,000 American soldiers would be lost. We
went in anyway. It's appalling to me that our leadership would think
that those lives are theirs to use, and dispense with, as they see
fit.
That bothers me all the time. It seems like more and more, the families of
the powerful seldom go to war, and even more rarely do they see action.
It's a fearsome responsibility, commanding all those lives hanging in the
balance. I hope for more shock and awe at how big a deal that is, how
devastating to so many families when lives are lost..and by the way, give
them the damned body armour before they go in!
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| User: "Charles" |
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01 Jan 2006 04:31:09 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:16:00 GMT, "bunny"
<bunnynospam@nospam.blarg.net> wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote
Yeah, there's probably some who won't come back, or won't be whole
when they do, and there's real families whose way of life will be
destroyed. I wish it were as real for our "leaders."
I'm afraid you're right. And I wish the same thing. There was something to
be said for the old style combat, you know the kind you see in movies?,
where the king or leader was fighting with his men in battle, right there in
the middle of it, seeing it, sharing it.
I read something recently regarding the first Gulf War, where there
were early estimates that 30,000 American soldiers would be lost. We
went in anyway. It's appalling to me that our leadership would think
that those lives are theirs to use, and dispense with, as they see
fit.
That bothers me all the time. It seems like more and more, the families of
the powerful seldom go to war, and even more rarely do they see action.
It's a fearsome responsibility, commanding all those lives hanging in the
balance. I hope for more shock and awe at how big a deal that is, how
devastating to so many families when lives are lost..and by the way, give
them the damned body armour before they go in!
Right, but that was 41, who actually had seen service. Macho boy 43
who was insulated from the experience, and his whole cohort, seem to
accept the idea that the people in the military are theirs to do with
as they see fit. Granted, there are bad people in the world, and
sometimes something has to be done about them, but the cost should be
considered
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 05:48:30 PM |
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In message <obbfr1hqkl7c10lgfumt05um16feaa8t4v@4ax.com>, Charles
<ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> writes
Right, but that was 41, who actually had seen service. Macho boy 43
who was insulated from the experience, and his whole cohort, seem to
accept the idea that the people in the military are theirs to do with
as they see fit. Granted, there are bad people in the world, and
sometimes something has to be done about them, but the cost should be
considered
If the Vietnamese had weighed the likely costs at Western values, would
they have overthrown Pol Pot, who beat Saddam Hussain into a cocked hat
in the bad people stakes.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 06:32:20 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
In message <obbfr1hqkl7c10lgfumt05um16feaa8t4v@4ax.com>, Charles
<ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> writes
Right, but that was 41, who actually had seen service. Macho boy 43
who was insulated from the experience, and his whole cohort, seem to
accept the idea that the people in the military are theirs to do with
as they see fit. Granted, there are bad people in the world, and
sometimes something has to be done about them, but the cost should be
considered
If the Vietnamese had weighed the likely costs at Western values, would
they have overthrown Pol Pot, who beat Saddam Hussain into a cocked hat
in the bad people stakes.
Well, the Cambodians had to deal with Pol Pot first, citizens killed
(some for wearing glasses, being educated, monks) and driven from cities
for his perfect solely agrarian society.
Then the war with the Vietnamese, which was about borders. The Viet Cong
left Cambodia after the US withdrawal. It was Pot's zeal to kill those
of Vietnamese heritage that led to refugees going into Vietnam and the
Khmer Rouge following them.
Then, while Mr. Pot was stuck in his little corner of the west because
Vietnam ran him out quickly...he was still given diplomatic support by
the western governments because his communism flavor was anti-soviet
instead of the Vietnamese flavor.
So what were we saying about 40 some people, I got lost at ~1.5 million
in Cambodia?
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
02 Jan 2006 01:09:20 AM |
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In message <41rakmF1fph2tU1@individual.net>, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote:
In message <obbfr1hqkl7c10lgfumt05um16feaa8t4v@4ax.com>, Charles
<ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> writes
Right, but that was 41, who actually had seen service. Macho boy 43
who was insulated from the experience, and his whole cohort, seem to
accept the idea that the people in the military are theirs to do with
as they see fit. Granted, there are bad people in the world, and
sometimes something has to be done about them, but the cost should be
considered
If the Vietnamese had weighed the likely costs at Western values,
would they have overthrown Pol Pot, who beat Saddam Hussain into a
cocked hat in the bad people stakes.
Well, the Cambodians had to deal with Pol Pot first, citizens killed
(some for wearing glasses, being educated, monks) and driven from
cities for his perfect solely agrarian society.
Then the war with the Vietnamese, which was about borders. The Viet
Cong left Cambodia after the US withdrawal. It was Pot's zeal to kill
those of Vietnamese heritage that led to refugees going into Vietnam
and the Khmer Rouge following them.
Then, while Mr. Pot was stuck in his little corner of the west because
Vietnam ran him out quickly...he was still given diplomatic support by
the western governments because his communism flavor was anti-soviet
instead of the Vietnamese flavor.
So what were we saying about 40 some people, I got lost at ~1.5 million
in Cambodia?
We in the West are responsible for an awful lot of the crap in 'less
developed' countries. I suppose Afghanistan is the best known example.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Schitzu" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
02 Jan 2006 10:16:04 PM |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:09:20 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
We in the West are responsible for an awful lot of the crap in 'less
developed' countries. I suppose Afghanistan is the best known example.
i don't think any one culture can be singled out as being the worst. or
that we of the present are worse. it has been going on since the
barbarians upped tent and started walking west to Ireland. or since
Genghis went walk about. or since Alexander the Great. or since . . .
i'm pretty sure we can blame Cain or was it Abel, whatever, they started
it.
we are human, we kill each other. and if we can, we kill in great
numbers. we are human, we can count, we like great numbers.
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:Schitzu
:Thought for the journey:
Do people with big eyes see at a wider range than people with smaller eyes?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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03 Jan 2006 04:30:46 AM |
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Schitzu wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:09:20 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
We in the West are responsible for an awful lot of the crap in 'less
developed' countries. I suppose Afghanistan is the best known example.
i don't think any one culture can be singled out as being the worst. or
that we of the present are worse. it has been going on since the
barbarians upped tent and started walking west to Ireland. or since
Genghis went walk about. or since Alexander the Great. or since . . .
i'm pretty sure we can blame Cain or was it Abel, whatever, they started
it.
we are human, we kill each other. and if we can, we kill in great
numbers. we are human, we can count, we like great numbers.
You're generalzing the subject, which was not the original intent of the
thread. The intent was the actions of recent killings and the
ideology/motivations behind some of humanities murderous actions in
those specific areas.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 05:31:18 PM |
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In message <1s6fr15n64idigq9s4tb7pm8kuareh3n52@4ax.com>, Charles
<ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> writes
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 08:56:24 GMT, "bunny"
<bunnynospam@nospam.blarg.net> wrote:
"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote
I don't think so, although during the time period I was thinking about
we didn't eat all that much meat. War used to be serious, with
rationing and such, now it seems to be a lesiure time activity.
except for the people doing it, of course, but for the rest of us it's
just something on the news.
Yeah, that's very true, and I feel conflicted about that. I mean, we're so
lucky that so many of us have the luxury of living like that, and I feel
that keenly, but I also worry that it's -- well, that it's like the electric
blanket discussion in that old movie, My Dinner With Andre. Andre and Wally
Shawn debated whether it was good to use an electric blanket, with Andre
saying that he thought it removed us just a little too far from nature, from
the seasons, from the reality of cold. Wally was like, yeah, but you know,
I'd never give up my electric blanket!
Until they outsourced our jobs to India and closed the Seattle office this
past summer, I worked for United Airlines. Every day I talked to guys and
gals in the service just going out to Iraq, or coming back from Iraq, on
leave, and their family members trying to arrange flights. It was sort of
heart-rending. They told me a lot of stories, and it was a daily reminder
that the war is very real for a lot of families these days, and yet so
unreal for a lot of people, too, just like you said. It's such a divide in
experience.
I'd like to think that every one of those kids I talked to is still safe and
alive. I know that's probably not true, and it makes me want to cry. I
can't forget them.
Yeah, there's probably some who won't come back, or won't be whole
when they do, and there's real families whose way of life will be
destroyed. I wish it were as real for our "leaders."
I read something recently regarding the first Gulf War, where there
were early estimates that 30,000 American soldiers would be lost. We
went in anyway. It's appalling to me that our leadership would think
that those lives are theirs to use, and dispense with, as they see
fit.
60,000 British casualties on the first DAY of the battle of the Somme in
1916. The battle went on for months. They really knew how to squander
young men's lives in those days.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Schitzu" |
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| Title: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR GMT & CET |
01 Jan 2006 11:47:38 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 07:18:38 GMT, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net>
wrote:
I think that's Freedom Toast to us merkins. some sort of sillyness
that got started somewhere. What's the German traditions for the day?
Berliners. filled donuts which you have a midnight with your Sekt. if
you don't like someone, you give them a Berliner filled with mustard.
--
:Schitzu
:Thought for the journey:
An original idea can never emerge from committee in the original.
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