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"matticus" |
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28 May 2006 11:24:44 AM |
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hi im new, need serious help though =( (sorta long) |
hi my name is matt and my girlfriend is what i believe to be severely
depressed. both of us are 20 and her depression really snuck up on us.
a month ago she ended up being hospitalized for 12 days. she told me
that she was diagnosed with depression with psychotic features. she was
placed on paxil, risperdal and cogentin. recently about a week ago she
was taken off the risperdal and cogentin will soon go the same way.
she's on 12.5mg of paxil at the moment and im not really sure if that
amount is going to be going up or down.
the effects depression has had on her have devestated her. she cant
concentrate, she has a lot of trouble remembering things, and she has a
very hard time reading. she is plagued by an uncontrollable guilt about
everyone she has a relationship with. this guilt she describes as
"Feeling like a *****" whenever she talks to her friends, her family,
and even me. she slowly began more and more to distance herselves from
her friends. her family does not help very much. they act as if this is
just going to fix itself. the way she describes her actions is that she
feels like they believe that she just has a motivational problem, and
that she is just wallowing in her depression. she cant really go
anywhere because they dont let her out. all she does is stay inside at
home. she wants to go out but her parents are blind to the fact that it
is beginning to make her feel caged like an animal. her family blames
me and her friends for everything that is happening to her. she knows
though that this is not true, they're just trying to find a scapegoat.
it is really sad.
i have been her only outlet throughout this whole ordeal. we have
gotten so close in the past that i guess our connection was strong
enough to handle the guilt. the ineptness her family has displayed has
furthered that connection between us. none of them are sensitive to her
depression (think she's lazy, say things that tear her down). nobody
tells her any of the side effects of the medicines she's on, so she
ends up blaming herself for the emotions, mood swings, etc etc. at
times it takes hours to convince her of these things. she tells me
anything and everything about how she feels and what she thinks about
this and that. so far i have been doing a good job of dispelling many
of the negative feelings she has been having.
the problem came about just a few days ago. she called me and told me
that the guilt that she had was too overwhelming. she told me that she
can't take hurting me anymore. she says that all she ever does is hurt
me and never make me happy. i figured she was delusional because that
is completely untrue.she kept telling me how much she cares about me
and how much she loves everything that we do together. she told me she
loves the way i make her feel. she told me that she wants to be with me
but the guilt was just too much. it was so sad. it was like she was
giving herself the death penalty for jaywalking or shoplifting. i tried
and tried, telling her that one of the main ways that depression
perpetuates itself is by causing you to give up the things that make
you happy. i told her that instead of outward agression, depression is
inward agression. i begged her not to hurt herself like this, that her
hand was on the stove but she couldnt feel the pain.
i ended up failing that night but the next day her friend was able to
get through to her. in order to sort of "get around" the guilt, her
friend took the angle of US wanting to be a part of HER life, and that
it would be a privilege. she came around and agreed that if she is
going to get better and stay better she should keep everyone she cares
about, not shut them out. this brings us to the next battle. we got
together again, that was cool. the problem lies in the fact that now
that the guilt is circumvented, inadequacy still torments her. she all
she has been telling me is that i can "do better" . she repeatedly
tells me that she just keeps "taking" from me. she says that she is too
ugly for me. she says that she doesnt want me to love her because i'm
not obligated to "Deal with her. this tears me up inside whenever i
hear it. she tells me that she thinks that she is ruining my life and
weighing me down. all of these things that she are saying are
completely untrue. every time we hang out i plan out these elaborate
suprises to make her feel special and loved. each of those times she
DOES feel special and happy and loved. the problem is that in between
those times that we get to hang out she sinks into her thoughts of
inadequacy. this doesnt exist between us just as a boyfriend and
girlfriend of course. this also extends to her relationships with her
family and friends.
rewinding a little bit. she was diagnosed with depression while she was
17. while she was depressed that time, she cut herself off from her
friends the same way she nearly did the other day. she told me about
how she stayed home and did nothing. many times in the past she has
mentioned that she wished she did things differently in the past, and
that she didnt throw away 2 years of her life. if she is overwhelmed by
the guilt so much that she cuts herself off, i know that she will be
regretting this the same way. i have to prevent that from happening.
its like a cycle of depression that will just keep repeating itself,
and that it will get worse each time. she even told me that the first
time it was not nearly this bad, like she could still read and go to
school and stuff. i cant let her flush it all down the drain again. i
dont want her to let the guilt/inadequacy enslave her.
she is starting cognitive behavioral therapy on thursday and i really
hope that will start to turn things around. i know that its not an
overnight thing but every little bit helps, and those little bits add
up to a lot over time. i have tried so many different things to dispel
this inadequate feeling she has.her friends are actively calling her
much more often after i told them that things suddenly got worse when
we all thought it was getting better. we're having a little success but
i am feeling like we're running out of time. i feel that eventually her
guilt will overrun her again and this time she'll be so deep in that
nobody will be able to reach her. i have been reading various groups
for help this past month and i have learned a lot of very useful
information. i am hoping that some of you on this board will be able to
help me out. she means everything to me and its killing me inside that
she has to feel this way. she doesnt deserve it.
please help. thanks for reading this. i will greatly appreciate any
ideas anyone has to say about this. thanks again
-matt
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: hi im new, need serious help though =( (sorta long) |
28 May 2006 11:31:44 AM |
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"matticus" <mlega001@ucr.edu> wrote in message
news:1148833483.959377.271410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi my name is matt and my girlfriend is what i believe to be severely
depressed. both of us are 20 and her depression really snuck up on us.
a month ago she ended up being hospitalized for 12 days. she told me
that she was diagnosed with depression with psychotic features. she was
placed on paxil, risperdal and cogentin. recently about a week ago she
was taken off the risperdal and cogentin will soon go the same way.
she's on 12.5mg of paxil at the moment and im not really sure if that
amount is going to be going up or down.
the effects depression has had on her have devestated her. she cant
concentrate, she has a lot of trouble remembering things, and she has a
very hard time reading. she is plagued by an uncontrollable guilt about
everyone she has a relationship with. this guilt she describes as
"Feeling like a *****" whenever she talks to her friends, her family,
and even me. she slowly began more and more to distance herselves from
her friends. her family does not help very much. they act as if this is
just going to fix itself. the way she describes her actions is that she
feels like they believe that she just has a motivational problem, and
that she is just wallowing in her depression. she cant really go
anywhere because they dont let her out. all she does is stay inside at
home. she wants to go out but her parents are blind to the fact that it
is beginning to make her feel caged like an animal. her family blames
me and her friends for everything that is happening to her. she knows
though that this is not true, they're just trying to find a scapegoat.
it is really sad.
i have been her only outlet throughout this whole ordeal. we have
gotten so close in the past that i guess our connection was strong
enough to handle the guilt. the ineptness her family has displayed has
furthered that connection between us. none of them are sensitive to her
depression (think she's lazy, say things that tear her down). nobody
tells her any of the side effects of the medicines she's on, so she
ends up blaming herself for the emotions, mood swings, etc etc. at
times it takes hours to convince her of these things. she tells me
anything and everything about how she feels and what she thinks about
this and that. so far i have been doing a good job of dispelling many
of the negative feelings she has been having.
the problem came about just a few days ago. she called me and told me
that the guilt that she had was too overwhelming. she told me that she
can't take hurting me anymore. she says that all she ever does is hurt
me and never make me happy. i figured she was delusional because that
is completely untrue.she kept telling me how much she cares about me
and how much she loves everything that we do together. she told me she
loves the way i make her feel. she told me that she wants to be with me
but the guilt was just too much. it was so sad. it was like she was
giving herself the death penalty for jaywalking or shoplifting. i tried
and tried, telling her that one of the main ways that depression
perpetuates itself is by causing you to give up the things that make
you happy. i told her that instead of outward agression, depression is
inward agression. i begged her not to hurt herself like this, that her
hand was on the stove but she couldnt feel the pain.
i ended up failing that night but the next day her friend was able to
get through to her. in order to sort of "get around" the guilt, her
friend took the angle of US wanting to be a part of HER life, and that
it would be a privilege. she came around and agreed that if she is
going to get better and stay better she should keep everyone she cares
about, not shut them out. this brings us to the next battle. we got
together again, that was cool. the problem lies in the fact that now
that the guilt is circumvented, inadequacy still torments her. she all
she has been telling me is that i can "do better" . she repeatedly
tells me that she just keeps "taking" from me. she says that she is too
ugly for me. she says that she doesnt want me to love her because i'm
not obligated to "Deal with her. this tears me up inside whenever i
hear it. she tells me that she thinks that she is ruining my life and
weighing me down. all of these things that she are saying are
completely untrue. every time we hang out i plan out these elaborate
suprises to make her feel special and loved. each of those times she
DOES feel special and happy and loved. the problem is that in between
those times that we get to hang out she sinks into her thoughts of
inadequacy. this doesnt exist between us just as a boyfriend and
girlfriend of course. this also extends to her relationships with her
family and friends.
rewinding a little bit. she was diagnosed with depression while she was
17. while she was depressed that time, she cut herself off from her
friends the same way she nearly did the other day. she told me about
how she stayed home and did nothing. many times in the past she has
mentioned that she wished she did things differently in the past, and
that she didnt throw away 2 years of her life. if she is overwhelmed by
the guilt so much that she cuts herself off, i know that she will be
regretting this the same way. i have to prevent that from happening.
its like a cycle of depression that will just keep repeating itself,
and that it will get worse each time. she even told me that the first
time it was not nearly this bad, like she could still read and go to
school and stuff. i cant let her flush it all down the drain again. i
dont want her to let the guilt/inadequacy enslave her.
she is starting cognitive behavioral therapy on thursday and i really
hope that will start to turn things around. i know that its not an
overnight thing but every little bit helps, and those little bits add
up to a lot over time. i have tried so many different things to dispel
this inadequate feeling she has.her friends are actively calling her
much more often after i told them that things suddenly got worse when
we all thought it was getting better. we're having a little success but
i am feeling like we're running out of time. i feel that eventually her
guilt will overrun her again and this time she'll be so deep in that
nobody will be able to reach her. i have been reading various groups
for help this past month and i have learned a lot of very useful
information. i am hoping that some of you on this board will be able to
help me out. she means everything to me and its killing me inside that
she has to feel this way. she doesnt deserve it.
please help. thanks for reading this. i will greatly appreciate any
ideas anyone has to say about this. thanks again
-matt
exactly what is it that you want help with
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| User: "cal" |
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| Title: Re: hi im new, need serious help though =( (sorta long) |
28 May 2006 12:06:49 PM |
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"matticus" <mlega001@ucr.edu> wrote in message
news:1148833483.959377.271410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
the problem came about just a few days ago. she called me and told me
that the guilt that she had was too overwhelming. she told me that she
can't take hurting me anymore. she says that all she ever does is hurt
me and never make me happy. i figured she was delusional because that
is completely untrue.
this is an issue i've had in some relationships. when they pull this routine
out of the bag, i can't tell if it's really about them being tormented by
overwhelming guilt, or i'm just being dumped. you know, "it isn't you,
it's me."
not that it matters in the end. there's no relationship-building way to
respond. your power to contribute positively has been taken away. unless she
changes her tune, it's over. but even if she does change her tune, next week
or next month, think about it. what kind of future do you have with someone
who's going to do this to you every time she gets depressed?
here's the thing. i get depressed too. if i'm with someone at the time, for
some weird reason i never feel guilty about what i'm "putting them through".
it's their choice to stay or leave, and as long as they stay of their own
free will (and why else would they?) i have no reason to feel guilty for
perhaps not being quite as pretty as i'd like to be for them just at the
moment.
she kept telling me how much she cares about me
and how much she loves everything that we do together. she told me she
loves the way i make her feel. she told me that she wants to be with me
but the guilt was just too much. it was so sad.
uh huh. it really is, you know. but i feel more for you than i do for her.
vibes of empathy. i suggest you break up with her and look for a partner who
can be depressed without playing these soul-sucking mind games.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: hi im new, need serious help though =( (sorta long) |
28 May 2006 01:15:36 PM |
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your heartless cal. Its a good thing your not a therapist!
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| User: "cal" |
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28 May 2006 02:28:49 PM |
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<MLWalton27@gmail.com> wrote in message
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your heartless cal.
i'm the exact opposite, alas.
Its a good thing your not a therapist!
that's probably true. otoh if i were one, i'd consider myself bound by
ethics not to give relationship advice of any kind.
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| User: "Jesters mummy" |
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28 May 2006 02:21:36 PM |
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On 28 May 2006 11:15:36 -0700, wrote:
<(((*>your heartless cal. Its a good thing your not a therapist!
I'd say cal's being realistic, not heartless. This girl sounds like she's
playing the OP like a frickin' violin.
Unless the OP wants to play the role of the heartbroken suitor, he's better off
to cut his losses and walk away.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "gravity" |
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28 May 2006 01:20:16 PM |
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i believe one can feel they are not a good partner for someone. i have been
in that situation, actually, however, i also view it as an excuse. it is
possible for it to be neither "him" nor "her", but simply an incompatibility
that can't be handled.
summary: move on?
Gravity
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| User: "gravity" |
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28 May 2006 01:25:09 PM |
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women read up on techniques to dump nice guys. they use websites, and
magazines like the one that Bacon reads, Cosmopolitan. i have also looked
up such material, curious how to gently drop someone without them being
aware of the real reasons. however, not giving a sincere reason, may fuel a
pattern of their own, in which all their relationships fail for the exact
same reason. that is why, to some extent, heartless bitches play a good
role.
i digress.
it appears she wants to dump you, so take it like a man. (although you may
find it quite satisfying to flood an innocent Usenet group.)
Gravity
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| User: "Jane" |
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28 May 2006 02:14:22 PM |
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"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4479eb46$0$79459$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
women read up on techniques to dump nice guys. they use websites, and
magazines like the one that Bacon reads, Cosmopolitan. i have also looked
up such material, curious how to gently drop someone without them being
aware of the real reasons. however, not giving a sincere reason, may fuel
a
pattern of their own, in which all their relationships fail for the exact
same reason. that is why, to some extent, heartless bitches play a good
role.
Or do it publicly on Valentines Day by humiliating them and saying they have
HIV, they're nothing but a *****, and are lousy in bed, and do I need to go
on? Honestly Michael do you really think you're a candidate to be dishing
advice out on how to dump someone gently?
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| User: "%" |
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28 May 2006 02:18:57 PM |
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"Jane" <jarsenal66nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HJKdnbMucc8Qa-TZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4479eb46$0$79459$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
women read up on techniques to dump nice guys. they use websites, and
magazines like the one that Bacon reads, Cosmopolitan. i have also
looked
up such material, curious how to gently drop someone without them being
aware of the real reasons. however, not giving a sincere reason, may
fuel
a
pattern of their own, in which all their relationships fail for the
exact
same reason. that is why, to some extent, heartless bitches play a good
role.
Or do it publicly on Valentines Day by humiliating them and saying they
have
HIV, they're nothing but a *****, and are lousy in bed, and do I need to go
on? Honestly Michael do you really think you're a candidate to be dishing
advice out on how to dump someone gently?
AHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHH
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| User: "gravity" |
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28 May 2006 02:36:10 PM |
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Or do it publicly on Valentines Day by humiliating them and saying they
have
HIV, they're nothing but a *****, and are lousy in bed, and do I need to go
on? Honestly Michael do you really think you're a candidate to be dishing
advice out on how to dump someone gently?
this is sort of ad hominem, that the validity of the statement is dependent
'on the character of the speaker. it really depends, in my case, i'm
certainly no expert on relationships. you, on the other hand, may be more
qualified. but there is a general concensus (Cal, Tara, etc) that the OP is
being stringed along by a game player, "i need to break up because i'm
hurting you". in some cases, there may a grain of truth to this, someone
abusive may have an insight into their own self-destructive nature.
Gravity
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| User: "gravity" |
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28 May 2006 03:03:05 PM |
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Jane says:
Or do it publicly on Valentines Day by humiliating them and saying they
have
HIV, they're nothing but a *****, and are lousy in bed, and do I need to go
on? Honestly Michael do you really think you're a candidate to be dishing
advice out on how to dump someone gently?
begin semi-coherent spillage of thoughts ... V-Day was certainly not one of
"his" finer hours. i think that actions should be integrated, over the
course of weeks or months. too much emphasis on sound bites that pander to
the masses.
Agua pasada no mueve molino.
i think that in relationships, i have quixotic tendencies, a wish for
perfection, not being perfect myself, this causes issues. are you happy,
Jane? that's all i care about, or did care about. finding my own inner joy
is something of a Sisyphean effort, and it comes in transient and fleeting
moments, e.g. mid January.
Gravity
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| User: "%" |
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28 May 2006 03:07:35 PM |
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"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jane says:
Or do it publicly on Valentines Day by humiliating them and saying they
have
HIV, they're nothing but a *****, and are lousy in bed, and do I need to
go
on? Honestly Michael do you really think you're a candidate to be
dishing
advice out on how to dump someone gently?
begin semi-coherent spillage of thoughts ... V-Day was certainly not one
of
"his" finer hours. i think that actions should be integrated, over the
course of weeks or months. too much emphasis on sound bites that pander
to
the masses.
Agua pasada no mueve molino.
i think that in relationships, i have quixotic tendencies, a wish for
perfection, not being perfect myself, this causes issues. are you happy,
Jane? that's all i care about, or did care about. finding my own inner
joy
is something of a Sisyphean effort, and it comes in transient and fleeting
moments, e.g. mid January.
Gravity
the poor victim me , this one always makes me laugh
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| User: "matticus" |
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| Title: Re: hi im new, need serious help though =( (sorta long) |
28 May 2006 03:18:24 PM |
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i dont really know how to post on here so i just hit reply after the
last post. thx all for your inputs. i am very aware that i may have to
call it quits sometime in the near future. i know that i cant let this
destroy me too. even then though, she's still my friend too. even if
we're done i'm still going to try to help her through this. but that
could easily be just as bad. i'll have to have a looksie when i get
closer to that point. thx again ppls
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: hi im new, need serious help though =( (sorta long) |
29 May 2006 09:48:07 AM |
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"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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i think that in relationships, i have quixotic tendencies, a wish for
perfection, not being perfect myself, this causes issues. are you happy,
Jane? that's all i care about, or did care about.
Happy as a Bipolar II can be...
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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29 May 2006 01:15:49 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:447a023a$0$77191$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i think that in relationships, i have quixotic tendencies, a wish for
perfection, not being perfect myself, this causes issues. are you happy,
Jane? that's all i care about, or did care about.
Happy as a Bipolar II can be...
So really, really, really happy.
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| User: "Jane" |
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29 May 2006 04:41:02 PM |
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"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:447a023a$0$77191$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i think that in relationships, i have quixotic tendencies, a wish for
perfection, not being perfect myself, this causes issues. are you
happy,
Jane? that's all i care about, or did care about.
Happy as a Bipolar II can be...
So really, really, really happy.
LOL yeah this week I'm on top of the world, next week I'll be in the pit,
couple days after I'll be on top of the world, but for now the pit's looking
pretty deep.
How are ya Franz, how's the wedding plans coming along?
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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29 May 2006 08:54:43 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e0s2iF1bilgdU1@individual.net...
Jane wrote:
"gravity" <gravityzrainbow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:447a023a$0$77191$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
i think that in relationships, i have quixotic tendencies, a wish for
perfection, not being perfect myself, this causes issues. are you
happy,
Jane? that's all i care about, or did care about.
Happy as a Bipolar II can be...
So really, really, really happy.
LOL yeah this week I'm on top of the world, next week I'll be in the pit,
couple days after I'll be on top of the world, but for now the pit's looking
pretty deep.
How are ya Franz, how's the wedding plans coming along?
I'm alright, happy as can be. Nothing going on with the wedding plans at
the moment...as far as I know. I'm not involved in such things - I just
have to shower, shave and show up.
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