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User: "wombn"
Date: 17 Jul 2004 12:16:10 AM
Object: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT)
Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.
*sigh*
I just don't know what to do.
The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.
I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.
Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.
And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.
The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?
Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.
The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.
I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.
But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com
I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?
*sigh*
decisions decisions.
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User: "Hap Arnold"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 02:01:13 PM
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

Could you dig up on of the non-working head and take it to HomeDepot or Ace
and get the guys to find a replacement part?
Is there some kind of documentation about the system or just a switch and a
green path where the pipes leak under the ground?

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

So it may be time to dig up the sprinklers.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

I don't know. I have never heard of stump remover working. The folks
around here are pretty to committed to either getting a grinder or a
back-***** or decorating the stump. We tried planting some bulb things in a
root area. Digging the roots out was major hassle, but even so the growing
was very reduced. I think tree roots poison the soil against competing
plants. I would ask a garden expert about the specific root and new plant.


Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

Probably didn't want to tunnel under a sidewalk or brick wall or
something... or maybe they were added after the system.


The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.


They have those around here.
The labor is outrageous. The hourly rates vary widely. One shop charges
$200/hour for a crew of two plus equipment. Another shop charges $100/hour
for a crew of four and equipment. You need to find out what they can do in
hour though. The high priced crew brings a bucket truck, power saws,
climbing ropes, both guys are loggers- not laborers, they will bring extra
equipment at no cost- like grinders, shredders, wheelbarrows, rakes etc.
The low priced crew is four laborers who will not climb, the come in a
pick-up, they don't rake up their debris etc. Unlicensed, uninsured
'tinkers' around here work cheaply and for set fees instead of hourly, but
if they pierce the earth's core it is your insurance 'cause they haven't
any.
On the other hand, I tried my hand at cutting down trees. After only eight
or nine, I was out of it. I couldn't even face chopping them into sections,
or cutting the stumps off at the ground, or shredding the branches (there
were few of those 'cause it was so dense a stand). I called the tree people
out, BOOM. Trees down, branches turned into mulch, big ol' flatbed truck
carries away logs over ten feet long each.. two hours and you have a nice
yard area where a bunch of scraggy pines stood. You can get a good value if
you have the cash.
--
E Sempre l'Ora
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User: "wombn"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 02:56:55 PM
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:01:13 -0400, "Hap Arnold" <hap.arnold@cox.net>
wrote:

"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nlchf01a2j608oqbuc0dhtb0n2lqmqb6cp@4ax.com...


Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.


Could you dig up on of the non-working head and take it to HomeDepot or Ace
and get the guys to find a replacement part?

Probably. If I could figure out how to do that. I can't figure out
where the shut off valve is.

Is there some kind of documentation about the system or just a switch and a
green path where the pipes leak under the ground?

no leaks. Just dead sprinklers. Different causes. One won't rotate
anymore, one's broken off and sends a fountain into the air. One
ended up behind the shed my parents put in. No one thought to replace
it with a plug thing.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.


So it may be time to dig up the sprinklers.

That's what I wondered


The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?


I don't know. I have never heard of stump remover working. The folks
around here are pretty to committed to either getting a grinder or a
back-***** or decorating the stump. We tried planting some bulb things in a
root area. Digging the roots out was major hassle, but even so the growing
was very reduced. I think tree roots poison the soil against competing
plants. I would ask a garden expert about the specific root and new plant.

ah, that's a good idea.


Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.


Probably didn't want to tunnel under a sidewalk or brick wall or
something... or maybe they were added after the system.

could be.


The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.



They have those around here.
The labor is outrageous. The hourly rates vary widely. One shop charges
$200/hour for a crew of two plus equipment. Another shop charges $100/hour

WOW.

for a crew of four and equipment. You need to find out what they can do in
hour though. The high priced crew brings a bucket truck, power saws,
climbing ropes, both guys are loggers- not laborers, they will bring extra
equipment at no cost- like grinders, shredders, wheelbarrows, rakes etc.
The low priced crew is four laborers who will not climb, the come in a
pick-up, they don't rake up their debris etc. Unlicensed, uninsured
'tinkers' around here work cheaply and for set fees instead of hourly, but
if they pierce the earth's core it is your insurance 'cause they haven't
any.

We'd probably have a couple of our employees come in and do a lot of
the hard part.

On the other hand, I tried my hand at cutting down trees. After only eight

we brought in a service to do that. They had a cherry picker, a chain
saw and chipper. It was cool watching them. ALthough I didn't get to
watch them grind the stumps.

or nine, I was out of it. I couldn't even face chopping them into sections,
or cutting the stumps off at the ground, or shredding the branches (there
were few of those 'cause it was so dense a stand). I called the tree people
out, BOOM. Trees down, branches turned into mulch, big ol' flatbed truck
carries away logs over ten feet long each.. two hours and you have a nice
yard area where a bunch of scraggy pines stood. You can get a good value if
you have the cash.

We're giving the wood to Kym and Dean (former ASDers). They have only
a wood stove and propane heater. And they live in snow country.
These two trees will take them a long way into the winter this year.
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User: "Teilhard Knight"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 01:54:09 AM
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nlchf01a2j608oqbuc0dhtb0n2lqmqb6cp@4ax.com...


Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.

Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I personally,
have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean when I
was in pre-school. :o)
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox
.
User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 01:57:58 AM
"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.


Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I

personally,

have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean when

I

was in pre-school. :o)

--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial

Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox


and look at how far your lifestyle has gotten you
.

User: "wombn"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 03:38:07 AM
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:54:09 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:


Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I personally,
have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean when I
was in pre-school. :o)

:-D
I grew a few beans this year. 6, I think it was.
I've got a purple thumb.
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User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 03:43:02 AM
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:54:09 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:


Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I

personally,

have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean

when I

was in pre-school. :o)


:-D

I grew a few beans this year. 6, I think it was.

I've got a purple thumb.

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i have a Jack Pine
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User: "Janithor"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 03:52:15 AM
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% wrote:

"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:54:09 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:


Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I


personally,

have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean


when I

was in pre-school. :o)


:-D

I grew a few beans this year. 6, I think it was.

I've got a purple thumb.

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And yet, somehow, I'm considered far right wing...


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i have a Jack Pine

I have a jack *****
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User: "%"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 03:58:44 AM
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% wrote:

"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:54:09 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:


Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I


personally,

have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean


when I

was in pre-school. :o)


:-D

I grew a few beans this year. 6, I think it was.

I've got a purple thumb.

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And yet, somehow, I'm considered far right wing...



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i have a Jack Pine


I have a jack *****

they just love sofa's
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User: "Janithor"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 04:14:05 AM
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:54:09 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:



Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I


personally,


have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean


when I


was in pre-school. :o)


:-D

I grew a few beans this year. 6, I think it was.

I've got a purple thumb.

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And yet, somehow, I'm considered far right wing...



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i have a Jack Pine


I have a jack *****



they just love sofa's

and welfare
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Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 04:19:07 AM
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:54:09 -0500, "Teilhard Knight"
<teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:



Sell your house and buy a condo. All this is too complicated. I


personally,


have planted *nothing* in my life. Well, wait a minute, I grew a bean


when I


was in pre-school. :o)


:-D

I grew a few beans this year. 6, I think it was.

I've got a purple thumb.

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i have a Jack Pine


I have a jack *****



they just love sofa's



and welfare

i wish canada had welfare or ... at least the part where i live had welfare
, we get nothing
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User: "Whiskers"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 06:31:23 AM
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:16:10 +0000, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
snip

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the sprinkler
heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

snip
Why not plant things that are native to your climate and don't need
sprinklers and watering-cans? Far more eco-friendly, probably easier to
look after, and in the long run cheaper as well. Artificial irrigation
in naturally dry regions is only ever a temporary solution before the soil
becomes so salty that it won't grow anything (even though it might work
for a century or so, with steadily accelerating costs).
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-- Whiskers
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User: "Patricia"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 07:02:41 AM
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:16:10 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:

Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

And these are only some of the reasons I am now, after 25 years of
house-ownership, a happy little renter who smiles when she hears the
landlord cutting the grass.
You have my sympathy, wombn, you really do.
Patricia
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User: "Whateverafter"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 10:02:28 AM

Subject: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT)
From: Patricia


Date: 7/17/2004 6:02 AM Central America Standard Time
Message-id: <b75if09a7gtlogjhlem1bsa22mebjlviad@4ax.com>

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:16:10 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:

Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

Putting the trees in to provide some privacy sounds like a very good plan.
and the only other thing I am thinking is> we all should have such problems.
Right now I would just like the personal space of my own to be in.


And these are only some of the reasons I am now, after 25 years of
house-ownership, a happy little renter who smiles when she hears the
landlord cutting the grass.

Well, that's how I felt, until... the new landlord moved in upstairs from
me. I rent an apartment in a large old house. Nice large covered front porch,
where I used to sit in the mornings with my coffee. Now the two, he and his
'girlfriend', (girlfriend is a loose word here, since all and I mean all, they
do is scream and fight), They both weigh like 250-300 lbs, so when they fight
and they throw each other around, I think the ceiling is going to fall through.
Plus the stairway to their apartment is over my head in my bedroom and it
sounds like a sonic boom everytime they pound up the stairs.
Now, they have put their table that they use outside, a full size table,
which was on their side of the porch, right in front of my picture window in my
diningroom. Like if I walk through my house, instead of hiding in my bedroom ,
which that reduces me to, they are right there facing into my space. and they
have all kinds of junk sitting on that table, like screw boxes, she does piece
work to support her smoking habit, potato chip bags, pop cans, papers, trash
old dirty clothes and rags, various junk like that. So that is what I see when
I look out my window. They are kind of piggy. So it's been like that for two
days, cause they were sitting there. And they have a bunch of kids that she
watches, and they are running all over the place right outside my window, and a
baby crying all the time.
so last night when they were gone I put it back to their side. I was going
to talk to the man, the landlord, who actually cares about what I think, since
I am the only one who pays the rent on time and in full, but he wasn't around,
so I just moved it.
I am having my daughter bring my little round table and chairs that look like
wrought iron, designed to look like it is made out of a plant, hard to
describe, but it is very pretty and will fit nicely in the corner, and then
they can't fit there table in front of my window. I had lent it to my daughter
for her deck until she got one of her own. So I hope that will fix the
problem, but now I am afraid to run ito the woman, as she is very mean acting
and sounding. So right now, I am wishing I had a home of my own.

You have my sympathy, wombn, you really do.

Patricia







.

User: "wombn"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 02:57:14 PM
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:02:41 -0400, Patricia
<treeotter@vermont.usa.net> wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:16:10 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:

Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*


And these are only some of the reasons I am now, after 25 years of
house-ownership, a happy little renter who smiles when she hears the
landlord cutting the grass.

You have my sympathy, wombn, you really do.

:-)
I just wish it was easier to figure this stuff out.
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User: "Velvet Elvis"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 04:21:34 PM
pink flamingos
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origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from
the true accounts which it invents later.
-Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
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User: "wombn"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 04:35:50 PM
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:21:34 GMT, Velvet Elvis
<gamboltREMOVE@softhomTHIS.com> wrote:

pink flamingos

:-D
They're on my Xmas list.
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User: "epicphart"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 06:45:03 PM
wombn wrote:

Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.


im puttin up a 6' cedar privacy fence....now all i need is a hot tub to
get nekkid in.
.
User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 07:07:46 PM
"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9B9FF.7030204@nahh.net...

wombn wrote:

Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.



im puttin up a 6' cedar privacy fence....now all i need is a hot tub to
get nekkid in.

i go nakkid here all the time there isn't anyone around who could see me
anyway , no fences where i live
.
User: "epicphart"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 07:22:50 PM
% wrote:

"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9B9FF.7030204@nahh.net...

wombn wrote:

Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.



im puttin up a 6' cedar privacy fence....now all i need is a hot tub to
get nekkid in.




i go nakkid here all the time there isn't anyone around who could see me
anyway , no fences where i live


who sQueezed your head?
.
User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 17 Jul 2004 07:21:37 PM
"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9C2DA.6060906@nahh.net...

% wrote:

"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9B9FF.7030204@nahh.net...

wombn wrote:

Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.



im puttin up a 6' cedar privacy fence....now all i need is a hot tub to
get nekkid in.




i go nakkid here all the time there isn't anyone around who could see me
anyway , no fences where i live



who sQueezed your head?

you did so you could swallow that last drop , Slap Nutts


.
User: "epicphart"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 08:55:14 AM
% wrote:

"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9C2DA.6060906@nahh.net...

% wrote:

"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9B9FF.7030204@nahh.net...


wombn wrote:


Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually* look
in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems of
the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff ok
to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a bed
along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30 miles
away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I wonder
if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me do
the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.



im puttin up a 6' cedar privacy fence....now all i need is a hot tub to
get nekkid in.




i go nakkid here all the time there isn't anyone around who could see me
anyway , no fences where i live



who sQueezed your head?




you did so you could swallow that last drop , Slap Nutts



you are one sick fucker..
.
User: "% surfs@uniserve"

Title: Re: Home ownership woes (landscaping issues, very OT) 18 Jul 2004 10:22:32 AM
"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40FA8142.4030005@nahh.net...

% wrote:

"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9C2DA.6060906@nahh.net...

% wrote:

"epicphart" <nahhhYouDontWantIt@nahh.net> wrote in message
news:40F9B9FF.7030204@nahh.net...


wombn wrote:


Decisions, decisions, budgets, decisions, hem & haw, read some more.

*sigh*

I just don't know what to do.

The sprinkler system is more than 12 yrs old. Only one of the
sprinkler heads still works. We don't know how to fix any of it.

I want to plant a hedgerow of dwarf citrus across the front and west
side of the front yard. Our front bedroom windows are level with the
street, so passersby can see all the way into the master bedroom at
the back of the house. I'm not aiming for 100% screening, just
creating enough of a screen than that it's not easy to *casually*

look

in. You'd have to stop and deliberately peer through the branches.
I'd also like to be able to work in the front yard without having to
wave at every damn person driving by (I'm incredibly antisocial).
There's too much shade in the back to do any real gardening. So the
front yard is all I have to work with.

Anyway, putting in a hedge there would mean having to move the only
working sprinkler (and its pipes) downhill at least 4 more feet. I
think.

And probably redesigning that section entirely because of the hedge.

The side is already spaced for a hedge, but it has the root systems

of

the overgrown privet that was cut down this spring in order to reach
the dying trees. So how do I plant among those roots without renting
a backhoe to yank the damn things out?? Is that Stump Remover stuff

ok

to use in an area that will grow edible fruits?

Then there are the areas never included in the sprinkler systems.
Stupid. A brick enclosed section across the front of the house, a

bed

along the side of the garage leading to the front door, raised
(terraced) beds on the west side of the driveway and the weedpatch on
the east side of the driveway. Never included in the sprinkler
system. Stupid. So they have to be hand watered. STUPID.

The weedpatch is currently covered by about a foot of wood chips/leaf
shreddings from the downed tree canopies. I'm hoping it'll be ready
to plant by fall or spring. But I'll have to figure out a better way
to water it.

I wrote to a couple of dwarf citrus growers who gave me very good
tips.

But I didn't ask about sprinkler systems or planting among old roots.
One of them only ships in the fall and spring, so that would dictate
when the planting would be done. The other one is only about 30

miles

away from here and has trees ready to plant all year 'round. I

wonder

if it really matters here. Both have good ratings at
gardenwatchdog.com

I wonder if a professional landscaper would help me plan but let me

do

the grunt work? and how much they'd charge...?

*sigh*

decisions decisions.



im puttin up a 6' cedar privacy fence....now all i need is a hot tub

to

get nekkid in.




i go nakkid here all the time there isn't anyone around who could see

me

anyway , no fences where i live



who sQueezed your head?




you did so you could swallow that last drop , Slap Nutts




you are one sick fucker..

right on Slap Nutts


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