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"Alan Harding" |
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23 Dec 2003 01:39:24 PM |
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Hot blooded Latins |
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
Afterwards they had three - basium, kiss on the lips; osculum, kiss on
the cheek; and suavium, give it tongues. I wonder if that's why they
talk of James Bond as being suave.
I love books of useless information. :)
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
23 Dec 2003 05:19:28 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:39:24 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
snip
You could be right:
<http://www.pauldavies.net/cornish/lexicon.cfm> "Sorry, that word is not
in the Lexicon."
<http://www.agantavas.org.uk/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&file=search>
"No Results in Term's Text..."
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Den/5400/ecdict.htm> Not listed
there either.
None of those lists "sex" either - but I can assure you that both
practices are known ;))
I think there is just a conspiracy to stop the Sawsens from knowing the
interesting stuff <G>
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
24 Dec 2003 02:18:36 AM |
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In message <pan.2003.12.23.23.19.24.25247@ID-107770.user.uni-berlin.de>,
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:39:24 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
snip
You could be right:
<http://www.pauldavies.net/cornish/lexicon.cfm> "Sorry, that word is not
in the Lexicon."
<http://www.agantavas.org.uk/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&file=search>
"No Results in Term's Text..."
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Den/5400/ecdict.htm> Not listed
there either.
None of those lists "sex" either - but I can assure you that both
practices are known ;))
I think there is just a conspiracy to stop the Sawsens from knowing the
interesting stuff <G>
It's difficult to believe, isn't it? As if they couldn't kiss because
they didn't have a word for it. Like the old saw about the Eskimo having
seventeen words for snow (1), and so being able to recognise seventeen
types of snow - implying that we can't because we don't have the words.
(1) Or whatever the Eskimo are called these days in N America. And
whatever the number was. And whatever the number really is.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
24 Dec 2003 04:56:00 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:18:36 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <pan.2003.12.23.23.19.24.25247@ID-107770.user.uni-berlin.de>,
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:39:24 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
snip
You could be right:
<http://www.pauldavies.net/cornish/lexicon.cfm> "Sorry, that word is not
in the Lexicon."
<http://www.agantavas.org.uk/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&file=search>
"No Results in Term's Text..."
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Den/5400/ecdict.htm> Not listed
there either.
None of those lists "sex" either - but I can assure you that both
practices are known ;))
I think there is just a conspiracy to stop the Sawsens from knowing the
interesting stuff <G>
It's difficult to believe, isn't it? As if they couldn't kiss because they
didn't have a word for it.
There isn't a word for 'yes' or 'no' either.
Like the old saw about the Eskimo having
seventeen words for snow (1), and so being able to recognise seventeen
types of snow - implying that we can't because we don't have the words.
What is 'snow'?
(1) Or whatever the Eskimo are called these days in N America. And
whatever the number was. And whatever the number really is.
Ask Jurnau, but I think 'Innuit' is the polite name.
--
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-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
25 Dec 2003 01:40:57 AM |
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In message
<pan.2003.12.24.22.55.54.308013@ID-107770.user.uni-berlin.de>, Whiskers
<catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:18:36 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <pan.2003.12.23.23.19.24.25247@ID-107770.user.uni-berlin.de>,
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:39:24 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
snip
You could be right:
<http://www.pauldavies.net/cornish/lexicon.cfm> "Sorry, that word is not
in the Lexicon."
<http://www.agantavas.org.uk/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&file=search>
"No Results in Term's Text..."
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Den/5400/ecdict.htm> Not listed
there either.
None of those lists "sex" either - but I can assure you that both
practices are known ;))
I think there is just a conspiracy to stop the Sawsens from knowing the
interesting stuff <G>
It's difficult to believe, isn't it? As if they couldn't kiss because they
didn't have a word for it.
There isn't a word for 'yes' or 'no' either.
But I'll bet they have ways of indicating agreement or disagreement.
Like the old saw about the Eskimo having
seventeen words for snow (1), and so being able to recognise seventeen
types of snow - implying that we can't because we don't have the words.
What is 'snow'?
Dry slush. ;)
(1) Or whatever the Eskimo are called these days in N America. And
whatever the number was. And whatever the number really is.
Ask Jurnau, but I think 'Innuit' is the polite name.
Sounds right. I'd forgotten it - the sign of an old depressive. Mind
you, I don't recall ever having heard the story except about 'Eskimo'. I
wonder if there's only one language from Greenland to Alaska. I have a
book, somewhere...
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "Floyd Davidson" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
25 Dec 2003 05:34:25 PM |
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Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
....
There isn't a word for 'yes' or 'no' either.
Don't you suppose that just because the word used prior to that time
has been lost to history, and we just don't know what it is, that it
is a little absurd to suggest that people didn't either do those things
or have words for them before the particular words that we know of today
entered the language?
Actually, that's *very* absurd! :-)
But I'll bet they have ways of indicating agreement or disagreement.
Like the old saw about the Eskimo having
seventeen words for snow (1), and so being able to recognise seventeen
types of snow - implying that we can't because we don't have the words.
What is 'snow'?
Dry slush. ;)
(1) Or whatever the Eskimo are called these days in N America. And
whatever the number was. And whatever the number really is.
Ask Jurnau, but I think 'Innuit' is the polite name.
Inuit, if you are referring to Inuit Eskimos. Of course, not all Eskimos
are Inuit, so if you want to refer to all of them, use "Eskimo".
Sounds right. I'd forgotten it - the sign of an old depressive. Mind
you, I don't recall ever having heard the story except about 'Eskimo'. I
wonder if there's only one language from Greenland to Alaska. I have a
book, somewhere...
The Inuit language (and culture) split off from what is considered
Proto-Eskimo about 1500-2000 years ago. It spread from western Alaska
to Greenland very rapidly (3-500 years), and is spoken today in
a continuum of dialects which, except at the extreme ends of the
range, are very close and quite understandable.
The Yupik language extends from southcentral Alaska (Prince William
Sound and Kodiak Island) all along the Bering Sea coast and into
Siberia. However, Yupik has been in place much longer than Inuit,
and the dialects are so distinct that some people only a hundred miles
apart might not be able to understand each other at all. In fact,
it takes a linguist to even determine they speak the same language!
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Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
26 Dec 2003 02:33:25 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 14:34:25 -0900, Floyd Davidson <floyd@barrow.com>
wrote:
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
...
There isn't a word for 'yes' or 'no' either.
Don't you suppose that just because the word used prior to that time has
been lost to history, and we just don't know what it is, that it is a
little absurd to suggest that people didn't either do those things or have
words for them before the particular words that we know of today entered
the language?
Actually, that's *very* absurd! :-)
As you'll see from another of my articles in this thread, the concepts
are well understood and practiced, without the language needing to have a
one-word translation for the word used to describe something similar in
another language. The lexicons I linked to are far from complete, but
Kernewek (Cornish) has no word for 'yes' or 'no', and I don't know one for
'kiss' either (but then I am a batchelor, and not a native speaker).
Cymraig (Welsh) is the other modern tongue descended from the ancient
British dialects, and I think it too has neither 'yes' nor 'no'. Again, I
don't know about 'kiss' (but my Welsh granny could do it, alright).
I think Alan was intrigued by the linguistic oddity. I also think there
is a distinct possibility that kissing wasn't practiced in Britain; it is
a cultural thing, and not universal even today (and still much less
frequent in Britain than in Italy).
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The Inuit language (and culture) split off from what is considered
Proto-Eskimo about 1500-2000 years ago. It spread from western Alaska
to Greenland very rapidly (3-500 years), and is spoken today in a
continuum of dialects which, except at the extreme ends of the range,
are very close and quite understandable.
The Yupik language extends from southcentral Alaska (Prince William
Sound and Kodiak Island) all along the Bering Sea coast and into
Siberia. However, Yupik has been in place much longer than Inuit, and
the dialects are so distinct that some people only a hundred miles apart
might not be able to understand each other at all. In fact, it takes a
linguist to even determine they speak the same language!
Rather like Britain ;))
I don't think we've met before, so Hello :))
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| User: "Whiskers" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
25 Dec 2003 01:50:39 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 07:40:57 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message
<pan.2003.12.24.22.55.54.308013@ID-107770.user.uni-berlin.de>, Whiskers
<catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:18:36 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message
<pan.2003.12.23.23.19.24.25247@ID-107770.user.uni-berlin.de>, Whiskers
<catwheezel@operamail.com> writes
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:39:24 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
snip
You could be right:
<http://www.pauldavies.net/cornish/lexicon.cfm> "Sorry, that word is
not in the Lexicon."
<http://www.agantavas.org.uk/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&file=search>
"No Results in Term's Text..."
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Den/5400/ecdict.htm> Not listed
there either.
None of those lists "sex" either - but I can assure you that both
practices are known ;))
I think there is just a conspiracy to stop the Sawsens from knowing the
interesting stuff <G>
It's difficult to believe, isn't it? As if they couldn't kiss because
they didn't have a word for it.
There isn't a word for 'yes' or 'no' either.
But I'll bet they have ways of indicating agreement or disagreement.
Without any doubt! Very expressively ;))
Like the old saw about the Eskimo having seventeen words for snow (1),
and so being able to recognise seventeen types of snow - implying that
we can't because we don't have the words.
What is 'snow'?
Dry slush. ;)
Oh, OK.
(1) Or whatever the Eskimo are called these days in N America. And
whatever the number was. And whatever the number really is.
Ask Jurnau, but I think 'Innuit' is the polite name.
Sounds right. I'd forgotten it - the sign of an old depressive. Mind you,
I don't recall ever having heard the story except about 'Eskimo'. I wonder
if there's only one language from Greenland to Alaska. I have a book,
somewhere...
Russian, French, Icelandic, Cantonese, Korean, Gaelic, ... I'm sure there
used to be a Cornish-speaking community in Newfoundland, but I don't know
if it survived.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^ Interested in Citroens?
-- Whiskers <http://www.aacit.net>
-- ~~~~~~~~~~ <news:alt.autos.citroen>
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
23 Dec 2003 02:39:06 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
Afterwards they had three - basium, kiss on the lips; osculum, kiss on
the cheek; and suavium, give it tongues. I wonder if that's why they
talk of James Bond as being suave.
I love books of useless information. :)
:)
Maybe the celts hadn't a word for 'kiss' (were they really *that* tough?) but the latin word 'basium' ('kiss') from which the spanish word 'beso' derives is actually from celtic origin (I don't know its original meaning in the celtic languages). The later anglosaxons and danes had 'coss' and 'kus' respectively.
It's been a surprise to me to see that the word 'suave' also exists in english. A quick search yielded: suave, from french suave, from latin suavis sweet, pleasant. So I'm afraid it's not a derivation from 'suavium'...
(Incidentally, the word 'osculo' still means 'kiss' in spanish, but the word 'beso' is more common nowadays. Maybe because people preferred kissing on the lips than on the cheeks :)
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| User: "Teilhard Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
23 Dec 2003 02:39:06 PM |
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"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote in message
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Alan Harding wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
Afterwards they had three - basium, kiss on the lips; osculum, kiss on
the cheek; and suavium, give it tongues. I wonder if that's why they
talk of James Bond as being suave.
I love books of useless information. :)
:)
Maybe the celts hadn't a word for 'kiss' (were they really *that* tough?)
but the latin word 'basium' ('kiss') from which the spanish word 'beso'
derives is actually from celtic origin (I don't know its original meaning in
the celtic languages). The later anglosaxons and danes had 'coss' and 'kus'
respectively.
It's been a surprise to me to see that the word 'suave' also exists in
english. A quick search yielded: suave, from french suave, from latin suavis
sweet, pleasant. So I'm afraid it's not a derivation from 'suavium'...
(Incidentally, the word 'osculo' still means 'kiss' in spanish, but the
word 'beso' is more common nowadays. Maybe because people preferred kissing
on the lips than on the cheeks :)
The things one gets to know here!!! ;o)
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Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox
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| User: "SortaLily" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
23 Dec 2003 02:41:15 PM |
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The word Buss means to kiss .. where is that from?
"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote in message
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Alan Harding wrote:
Until the Romans invaded, the British had no word for kissing.
Afterwards they had three - basium, kiss on the lips; osculum, kiss on
the cheek; and suavium, give it tongues. I wonder if that's why they
talk of James Bond as being suave.
I love books of useless information. :)
:)
Maybe the celts hadn't a word for 'kiss' (were they really *that* tough?)
but the latin word 'basium' ('kiss') from which the spanish word 'beso'
derives is actually from celtic origin (I don't know its original meaning in
the celtic languages). The later anglosaxons and danes had 'coss' and 'kus'
respectively.
It's been a surprise to me to see that the word 'suave' also exists in
english. A quick search yielded: suave, from french suave, from latin suavis
sweet, pleasant. So I'm afraid it's not a derivation from 'suavium'...
(Incidentally, the word 'osculo' still means 'kiss' in spanish, but the
word 'beso' is more common nowadays. Maybe because people preferred kissing
on the lips than on the cheeks :)
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| User: "neoholistic" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
23 Dec 2003 03:01:59 PM |
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SortaLily wrote:
The word Buss means to kiss .. where is that from?
It's from old english basse, derived (maybe via french? I don't know) from latin 'basium'. So it's got the same root as 'beso'.
(There's an online version of Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary; that's where I got the info from).
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Hot blooded Latins |
23 Dec 2003 04:04:59 PM |
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"neoholistic" <ekqbwpo@terra.es> wrote in message
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SortaLily wrote:
The word Buss means to kiss .. where is that from?
It's from old english basse, derived (maybe via french? I don't know) from
latin 'basium'. So it's got the same root as 'beso'.
(There's an online version of Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary;
that's where I got the info from).
Aren't dictionaries wonderful things?
Middens of the mind.
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