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01 Nov 2005 05:44:27 PM |
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How the Hell Can A Decent Man |
throw a crippled woman even if it is against the couch? I mean, I am
old fashion and I tend to let "men" do a lot of ***** under the banner
of that men are strange creatures. Actually, I have gotten flak here
for being sexist and taking crap off men. But holy *****, this isn't
right! Even though it didn't hurt me physically, just the idea that he
would do it!! It is ugly and wrong. Maria pounded him.
WHAT the ***** am I doing? Everyday I try to order Maria and I - get our
ducks in a row, bring light, respect, warmth, and curiousity about the
world to Maria - nobility, purpose, selflessness, a bit of sass and
attitude too - to pass on this to her even if her mom is a failure, BUT
then Leif comes home and it all goes to hell.
I am not good at many things. Leif helped through the years with those
sort of things - picking up, getting all errands done in timely
fashion, saving money etc. BUT HE isn't nice!!!!
I wish I had parents who were decent and alive - I'd take Maria there.
ROsena
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01 Nov 2005 10:07:59 PM |
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On 1 Nov 2005 15:44:27 -0800, "Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
throw a crippled woman even if it is against the couch? I mean, I am
old fashion and I tend to let "men" do a lot of ***** under the banner
of that men are strange creatures. Actually, I have gotten flak here
for being sexist and taking crap off men. But holy *****, this isn't
right! Even though it didn't hurt me physically, just the idea that he
would do it!! It is ugly and wrong. Maria pounded him.
WHAT the ***** am I doing? Everyday I try to order Maria and I - get our
ducks in a row, bring light, respect, warmth, and curiousity about the
world to Maria - nobility, purpose, selflessness, a bit of sass and
attitude too - to pass on this to her even if her mom is a failure, BUT
then Leif comes home and it all goes to hell.
I am not good at many things. Leif helped through the years with those
sort of things - picking up, getting all errands done in timely
fashion, saving money etc. BUT HE isn't nice!!!!
I wish I had parents who were decent and alive - I'd take Maria there.
ROsena
Why do you choose to let this happen?
Yeah, I think I'm in the kill file or the one right next to it...but
someone has to ask.
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| User: "Luna" |
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02 Nov 2005 05:28:42 AM |
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"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 1 Nov 2005 15:44:27 -0800, "Rosena" <filpriros@aol.com> wrote:
throw a crippled woman even if it is against the couch? I mean, I am
old fashion and I tend to let "men" do a lot of ***** under the banner
of that men are strange creatures. Actually, I have gotten flak here
for being sexist and taking crap off men. But holy *****, this isn't
right! Even though it didn't hurt me physically, just the idea that he
would do it!! It is ugly and wrong. Maria pounded him.
WHAT the ***** am I doing? Everyday I try to order Maria and I - get our
ducks in a row, bring light, respect, warmth, and curiousity about the
world to Maria - nobility, purpose, selflessness, a bit of sass and
attitude too - to pass on this to her even if her mom is a failure, BUT
then Leif comes home and it all goes to hell.
I am not good at many things. Leif helped through the years with those
sort of things - picking up, getting all errands done in timely
fashion, saving money etc. BUT HE isn't nice!!!!
I wish I had parents who were decent and alive - I'd take Maria there.
ROsena
Why do you choose to let this happen?
She needs to leave or get him out. Once this starts it doesn't stop.
Yeah, I think I'm in the kill file or the one right next to it...but
someone has to ask.
First time, shame on you, second time...
Big part of the problem, imo. I was in a situation like this and not just
once, either. I never considered myself weak, either. It has a way of
robbing you of things - the one thing I learned was pretty simple - you need
to get away from it as fast as possible.
Jean
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| User: "ponette" |
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02 Nov 2005 09:24:55 AM |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:28:42 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
Why do you choose to let this happen?
She needs to leave or get him out. Once this starts it doesn't stop.
Let the whole thing happen. Not just this incident.
Anyway, it was against my better judgment I posted the question.
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| User: "Luna" |
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02 Nov 2005 09:49:11 AM |
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"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:28:42 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
Why do you choose to let this happen?
She needs to leave or get him out. Once this starts it doesn't stop.
Let the whole thing happen. Not just this incident.
Anyway, it was against my better judgment I posted the question.
It's a good question though - it's THE question. [You shouldn't feel badly
about it.]
That is the line I considered deleting, you're not the only one.
Jean
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| User: "Rosena" |
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02 Nov 2005 09:31:50 AM |
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It isn't a bad question. As I have said, usually these situations
(including mine) are complicated especially when it is mild abuse that
sort of looks terrible but also sort of looks mild in the context -
ambiguity. When I locate funds/work we will leave to a seperate home.
When I decided to try pooling resources three years ago, there was no
hint or history to suggest this kind of thing would happen.
Everyone is right that I must act.
Rosena
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02 Nov 2005 10:26:03 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:24:55 -0800, ponette <ponette0000@yahoo.com>
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->On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:28:42 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
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->>> Why do you choose to let this happen?
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->>She needs to leave or get him out. Once this starts it doesn't stop.
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->Let the whole thing happen. Not just this incident.
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->Anyway, it was against my better judgment I posted the question.
She needs MONEY to leave. Quit badgering her until she figures out a
way to do it. It's clear she understands she must.
When people ask why do abusees stay, none of them are offering any
assistance.
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I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
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02 Nov 2005 10:59:50 AM |
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Wow - thanks Claudia. As you well know making a change often boils
down to having damn cash. But I don't mind what people say for in
truth I do not act on everything I should. At least this has been with
Maria a wake up call to me to make more effort looking for funds/work
etc.
Thanks again
Rosena
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| User: "Tim Kett" |
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02 Nov 2005 01:12:48 PM |
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Rosena wrote:
Wow - thanks Claudia. As you well know making a change often boils
down to having damn cash. But I don't mind what people say for in
truth I do not act on everything I should. At least this has been with
Maria a wake up call to me to make more effort looking for funds/work
etc.
Thanks again
Rosena
And I/we wish you the best of luck with it!
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| User: "" |
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02 Nov 2005 01:44:17 PM |
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->Rosena wrote:
->> Wow - thanks Claudia. As you well know making a change often boils
->> down to having damn cash. But I don't mind what people say for in
->> truth I do not act on everything I should. At least this has been with
->> Maria a wake up call to me to make more effort looking for funds/work
->> etc.
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->> Thanks again
You're welcome. You're doing very hard work to make your and Maria's
life better. I've always wished you well, even when I'm angry at you.
I am seeing glimpses of the strong woman inside you, and it makes me
happy.
I get tired of people screaming "just leave!" with no understanding of
the considerable financial and energy resources it takes to "just
leave". Especially when there's no family to help.
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I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
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| User: "%" |
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02 Nov 2005 01:21:22 PM |
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hows it going now ay
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| User: "Tim Kett" |
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02 Nov 2005 01:30:58 PM |
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% wrote:
hows it going now ay
Good. Hows it going, young man?
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| User: "ponette" |
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02 Nov 2005 01:07:58 PM |
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notchimera wrote:
She needs MONEY to leave. Quit badgering her until she figures out a
way to do it. It's clear she understands she must.
Considering I've responded to Rosena on this issue -- once? and a
rephrase? -- I'd hardly consider myself badgering anyone.
P
When people ask why do abusees stay, none of them are offering any
assistance.
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I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
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| User: "Rosena" |
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02 Nov 2005 04:47:00 PM |
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No No, I didn't think you badgering at all!!! Good question - the kind
to keep in front of one's mind while making decisions.
Rosena
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02 Nov 2005 06:17:09 AM |
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Luna wrote:
First time, shame on you, second time...
Big part of the problem, imo. I was in a situation like this and not just
once, either. I never considered myself weak, either. It has a way of
robbing you of things - the one thing I learned was pretty simple - you need
to get away from it as fast as possible.
Jean
Wait, you were with a physically abusive guy?
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| User: "Luna" |
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02 Nov 2005 06:14:44 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Luna wrote:
First time, shame on you, second time...
Big part of the problem, imo. I was in a situation like this and not
just
once, either. I never considered myself weak, either. It has a way of
robbing you of things - the one thing I learned was pretty simple - you
need
to get away from it as fast as possible.
Jean
Wait, you were with a physically abusive guy?
*****, yeah. Why? Does that 'explain' something about me? :) (It explains
my being single for the past over five years, for sure).
My ex who killed himself could have just as easily killed me, it was close.
He was pretty brutal.
Jean
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02 Nov 2005 06:48:04 AM |
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Luna wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Luna wrote:
First time, shame on you, second time...
Big part of the problem, imo. I was in a situation like this and not
just
once, either. I never considered myself weak, either. It has a way of
robbing you of things - the one thing I learned was pretty simple - you
need
to get away from it as fast as possible.
Jean
Wait, you were with a physically abusive guy?
*****, yeah. Why? Does that 'explain' something about me? :) (It explains
my being single for the past over five years, for sure).
My ex who killed himself could have just as easily killed me, it was close.
He was pretty brutal.
Jean
No, I just didn't know, sorry. :-/
OK, to be honest, yeah, it's a data point that's hard to ignore. It
just seems so out of character for you.
Just found out that a couple who worked for me, the woman is moving out
of town. Turns out the guy was hitting her. She's super sweet. She
gave him 2 daughters, one born this August. I don't get it.
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| User: "Luna" |
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02 Nov 2005 07:26:39 AM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Luna wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Luna wrote:
First time, shame on you, second time...
Big part of the problem, imo. I was in a situation like this and not
just
once, either. I never considered myself weak, either. It has a way of
robbing you of things - the one thing I learned was pretty simple - you
need
to get away from it as fast as possible.
Jean
Wait, you were with a physically abusive guy?
*****, yeah. Why? Does that 'explain' something about me? :) (It
explains
my being single for the past over five years, for sure).
My ex who killed himself could have just as easily killed me, it was
close.
He was pretty brutal.
Jean
No, I just didn't know, sorry. :-/
OK, to be honest, yeah, it's a data point that's hard to ignore. It
just seems so out of character for you.
I think it's a myth that to find yourself in that situation means you're
weak. I've come to conclude that it really says very little about the
person in the situation - more about the person inflicting.
Just found out that a couple who worked for me, the woman is moving out
of town. Turns out the guy was hitting her. She's super sweet. She
gave him 2 daughters, one born this August. I don't get it.
You do understand rage though. Domestic violence really isn't about the man
being evil and the woman being weak. That's why women who end up there
never believe the rhetoric because it just isn't true. Nom de Plume made a
really interesting post about moral character - I think it's more
complicated than that, even.
Jean
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| User: "gravity" |
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02 Nov 2005 01:59:27 PM |
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Luna,
i'm sorry to hear about the violence. you definitely deserve better
treatment.
Gravity
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02 Nov 2005 09:27:50 AM |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:26:39 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's a myth that to find yourself in that situation means you're
weak.
I didn't mean to suggest that "weaK" was the issue -- in Rosena's case
or, by extrapolation (which was not something I intended; I asked
Rosena only, knowing a bit about her history), anyone else.
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| User: "Luna" |
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02 Nov 2005 09:51:37 AM |
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"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:26:39 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's a myth that to find yourself in that situation means you're
weak.
I didn't mean to suggest that "weaK" was the issue -- in Rosena's case
or, by extrapolation (which was not something I intended; I asked
Rosena only, knowing a bit about her history), anyone else.
Yeah, I know. It's a touchy subject with me.
I have always felt like a strong person and getting punched never diminished
that in me. It actually confused me, why the hell am I putting up with
this? Fortunately I ended up getting out, unfortunately it took longer than
it should have.
Jean
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| User: "Gayle" |
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02 Nov 2005 10:44:04 AM |
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Luna wrote:
I have always felt like a strong person and getting punched never diminished
that in me. It actually confused me, why the hell am I putting up with
this?
Sometimes I think it takes incredible
levels of strength (and stubbornness) to
stay. Sometimes there is an unshakable
belief that things will improve. Staying
may be a commitment to act on that
belief. That isn't the definition of
weakness to me. And, SOMETIMES, women
who believe that do find the strength to
lay down the law and things do change
for the better.
And, although I've never been hit, I
have asked myself why the hell I put up
with this or that. After much
soul-searching, and with a little help
from one of Beattie's co-dependent no
more books, a lot of my confusion as to
'why' dispersed. One thing I realized
was that my ability to put up with *****
was tied up with how I measured my
strength. Kooky, eh?
Fortunately I ended up getting out,
unfortunately it took longer than
it should have.
It takes as long as it takes. I wish
you'd give yourself some credit for
raising your standards for behavior you
will/won't accept from others. No need
to diminish that achievement, imo ...
better late than never and all that jazz.
Gayle
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02 Nov 2005 12:14:09 PM |
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"Gayle" <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote in message
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Luna wrote:
I have always felt like a strong person and getting punched never
diminished
that in me. It actually confused me, why the hell am I putting up with
this?
Sometimes I think it takes incredible
levels of strength (and stubbornness) to
stay. Sometimes there is an unshakable
belief that things will improve. Staying
may be a commitment to act on that
belief. That isn't the definition of
weakness to me. And, SOMETIMES, women
who believe that do find the strength to
lay down the law and things do change
for the better.
And, although I've never been hit, I
have asked myself why the hell I put up
with this or that. After much
soul-searching, and with a little help
from one of Beattie's co-dependent no
more books, a lot of my confusion as to
'why' dispersed. One thing I realized
was that my ability to put up with *****
was tied up with how I measured my
strength. Kooky, eh?
No, not kooky at all! The beginning of my whole processing of it began with
a battered woman's person telling me, "strong enough to stay, strong enough
to leave". I'm repeating myself here, I've put this out here many times but
it really was one of those "click" moments that Ms. magazine used to write
about.
Fortunately I ended up getting out,
unfortunately it took longer than
it should have.
It takes as long as it takes. I wish
you'd give yourself some credit for
raising your standards for behavior you
will/won't accept from others. No need
to diminish that achievement, imo ...
better late than never and all that jazz.
Leaving anything is rarely clean, eh? It happens in increments and it can
take time. Besides which, an abusive partner doesn't usually wear
wifebeaters and swill beer in front of the tv. It's a fact of life that
violence doesn't extinguish love for most of us, man or woman.
Jean
Gayle
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02 Nov 2005 10:13:27 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:51:37 -0500, Luna wrote:
"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:26:39 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's a myth that to find yourself in that situation means you're
weak.
I didn't mean to suggest that "weaK" was the issue -- in Rosena's case
or, by extrapolation (which was not something I intended; I asked
Rosena only, knowing a bit about her history), anyone else.
Yeah, I know. It's a touchy subject with me.
I have always felt like a strong person and getting punched never diminished
that in me. It actually confused me, why the hell am I putting up with
this? Fortunately I ended up getting out, unfortunately it took longer than
it should have.
Pardon me while I open this can of worms...
Why does it seem like the worse a man treats a woman, the more likely she
is to fight to stay with him?
--
The U.S. Government today announced that it is changing its emblem from an
Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's
political stance... A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys
the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of
security while you're being screwed.
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02 Nov 2005 12:04:50 PM |
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"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:51:37 -0500, Luna wrote:
"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:26:39 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's a myth that to find yourself in that situation means
you're
weak.
I didn't mean to suggest that "weaK" was the issue -- in Rosena's case
or, by extrapolation (which was not something I intended; I asked
Rosena only, knowing a bit about her history), anyone else.
Yeah, I know. It's a touchy subject with me.
I have always felt like a strong person and getting punched never
diminished
that in me. It actually confused me, why the hell am I putting up with
this? Fortunately I ended up getting out, unfortunately it took longer
than
it should have.
Pardon me while I open this can of worms...
Why does it seem like the worse a man treats a woman, the more likely she
is to fight to stay with him?
Hi Ivan,
It may seem this way from the outside looking in but it never seemed that
way when I was 'in'. Seemed more like fighting to get out. Oprah says that
the first time you get hit is the time to leave - ahh, to have a bazillion
dollars.
Jean
--
The U.S. Government today announced that it is changing its emblem from an
Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's
political stance... A condom allows for inflation, halts production,
destroys
the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of
security while you're being screwed.
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02 Nov 2005 01:15:31 PM |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:04:50 -0500, Luna wrote:
"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:51:37 -0500, Luna wrote:
"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:26:39 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com>
wrote:
I think it's a myth that to find yourself in that situation means
you're
weak.
I didn't mean to suggest that "weaK" was the issue -- in Rosena's
case or, by extrapolation (which was not something I intended; I
asked Rosena only, knowing a bit about her history), anyone else.
Yeah, I know. It's a touchy subject with me.
I have always felt like a strong person and getting punched never
diminished
that in me. It actually confused me, why the hell am I putting up
with this? Fortunately I ended up getting out, unfortunately it took
longer
than
it should have.
Pardon me while I open this can of worms...
Why does it seem like the worse a man treats a woman, the more likely
she is to fight to stay with him?
Hi Ivan,
It may seem this way from the outside looking in but it never seemed
that way when I was 'in'. Seemed more like fighting to get out. Oprah
says that the first time you get hit is the time to leave - ahh, to have
a bazillion dollars.
It seems that way from my experience. I haven't seen women trying to get
out... I've heard a lot of "Oh, but he loves me he just can't help it".
My mom and sister have been in relationships with abusive men... and they
both kept going back even after they had gotten out. I've seen this same
behavior from a lot of the women I've known.
My mom only left after dear ole' dad started turning it on the kids.
My sister's relationship ended shortly after the day, after hearing about
yet another black eye, my brother and I ended up on their doorstep. We had
both come from over 500 miles away and had no idea the other was on his
way and we both showed up at different times. We didn't realize we had
both been there until we had the "I paid him a visit" phone call with each
other later that month.
Needless to say her husband got the idea very quickly that if it happened
again he would find himself in a shallow grave.
Amusingly enough they weren't together much longer after that. I guess we
took all the fun out of their relationship.
I've never raised my hand in anger to anyone except in self defense. Which
is ironic considering I'm an extremely violent person.
I guess nice guys are just too boring.
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The U.S. Government today announced that it is changing its emblem from an
Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's
political stance... A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys
the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of
security while you're being screwed.
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02 Nov 2005 12:24:58 PM |
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ya know when i was younger i used to parrot that saying
"why would anybody let themselves get hit more then once"
Then it happend to me. I was all of 21 and thought myself all grown up.
I took it for a few months then one day he started to take a swing at me
and with out thinking I ducked and BLAM .. hit him between the eyes and
broke his sun glasses.
It was the last time he touched me and about the last time we ever saw each
other.
I don't advocate hitting back. ***** I could have been killed the guy was
crazy and hyped up on coke .. but I understand why women .. some women
stay.
Not saying they should and sometimes I want to jump and and down and scream
at some women I know GET OUT .. DO SOMETHING ..
HOW CAN I HELP YOU LEAVE!!!
but they still don't act.
"Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:51:37 -0500, Luna wrote:
"ponette" <ponette0000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:26:39 -0500, "Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's a myth that to find yourself in that situation means
you're
weak.
I didn't mean to suggest that "weaK" was the issue -- in Rosena's case
or, by extrapolation (which was not something I intended; I asked
Rosena only, knowing a bit about her history), anyone else.
Yeah, I know. It's a touchy subject with me.
I have always felt like a strong person and getting punched never
diminished
that in me. It actually confused me, why the hell am I putting up with
this? Fortunately I ended up getting out, unfortunately it took longer
than
it should have.
Pardon me while I open this can of worms...
Why does it seem like the worse a man treats a woman, the more likely she
is to fight to stay with him?
Hi Ivan,
It may seem this way from the outside looking in but it never seemed that
way when I was 'in'. Seemed more like fighting to get out. Oprah says
that
the first time you get hit is the time to leave - ahh, to have a bazillion
dollars.
Jean
--
The U.S. Government today announced that it is changing its emblem from
an
Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's
political stance... A condom allows for inflation, halts production,
destroys
the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of
security while you're being screwed.
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| User: "" |
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02 Nov 2005 10:24:38 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:13:27 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now>
wrote:
->Pardon me while I open this can of worms...
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->Why does it seem like the worse a man treats a woman, the more likely she
->is to fight to stay with him?
Don't assume this is universally true.
Some of us hit back harder, and the whole mess stops right there.
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I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
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02 Nov 2005 10:27:04 AM |
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"notchimera" <dont@bother.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:13:27 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now>
wrote:
->Pardon me while I open this can of worms...
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->Why does it seem like the worse a man treats a woman, the more likely
she
->is to fight to stay with him?
Don't assume this is universally true.
Some of us hit back harder, and the whole mess stops right there.
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I've always loved me, I was just taught that I didn't.
- %
i got dumped once for what i thought was no real reason ,
and later on a friend told me that the woman told him ,
she dumped me because i wasn't firm enough with her ,
i never shoved her around or hit her so she new i didn't really care about
her
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: How the Hell Can A Decent Man |
02 Nov 2005 12:14:54 PM |
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"%" <persent@Gmail.com> wrote in message
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i got dumped once for what i thought was no real reason ,
and later on a friend told me that the woman told him ,
she dumped me because i wasn't firm enough with her ,
i never shoved her around or hit her so she new i didn't really care about
her
She was a mess.
Jean
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| User: "%" |
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02 Nov 2005 12:28:23 PM |
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"Luna" <lunajean@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"%" <persent@Gmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
i got dumped once for what i thought was no real reason ,
and later on a friend told me that the woman told him ,
she dumped me because i wasn't firm enough with her ,
i never shoved her around or hit her so she new i didn't really care
about
her
She was a mess.
Jean
in so very many ways , but then that's what i always get ,
for example , look at us
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