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"Miserable" |
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27 Jan 2007 11:50:41 AM |
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humans are bad |
It's obvious to me that humans are sinful by nature. You see evil on a
large scale in war zones around the world. On a smaller scale, violent
crime is rampant in American cities. People that don't engage in criminal
activities do or say things that are morally wrong, everywhere, every day.
The human race is destroying our planet. The process of environmental
destruction is already progressing rapidly. Animal and plant species are
becoming extinct at an alarming rate because of human activities. It is
likely that we are also causing the climate to change, with disastrous
consequences.
The risk of a global nuclear war remains. It would make humans, as well as
many animals and plants, extinct in an instant.
- miserable
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| User: "Bruce." |
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27 Jan 2007 12:59:50 PM |
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"Miserable" <nobody@misery.net> wrote in message
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The human race is destroying our planet. The process of environmental
destruction is already progressing rapidly. Animal and plant species are
becoming extinct at an alarming rate because of human activities. It is
likely that we are also causing the climate to change, with disastrous
consequences.
I have no doubt that one day the rest of the planet will threaten Americans
with violence and destructions if we don't stop emitting so much pollution
and greenhouse gases. We're like a uncontrolled virus gobbling up the
planet's natural resources and none will be left for future generations.
Bruce.
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| User: "cal" |
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27 Jan 2007 02:19:44 PM |
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"Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Miserable" <nobody@misery.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98C5642E2728Dnobodynobodynobodyno@207.115.17.102...
The human race is destroying our planet. The process of environmental
destruction is already progressing rapidly. Animal and plant species are
becoming extinct at an alarming rate because of human activities. It is
likely that we are also causing the climate to change, with disastrous
consequences.
I have no doubt that one day the rest of the planet will threaten
Americans with violence and destructions if we don't stop emitting so much
pollution and greenhouse gases. We're like a uncontrolled virus gobbling
up the planet's natural resources and none will be left for future
generations.
don't feel singled out. a lot of countries are responsible. but several are
taking a more progressive position on emission control than the america has
under two bush administrations, as remarkable for living with their heads up
their asses in this area as they are in every other.
this is my message to america: please stop being so scared of your enemies
and return to electing leaders of intelligence, vision, principle, and
compassion, who really will uphold your constitution and respect human
freedom, as well as other species, the world's resources, and the
environment we all have to share. you know how to do this. please do it
before it's too late for you and everyone else.
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| User: "Bruce." |
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27 Jan 2007 02:44:26 PM |
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"cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote in message
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don't feel singled out. a lot of countries are responsible. but several
are
taking a more progressive position on emission control than the america
has
under two bush administrations, as remarkable for living with their heads
up
their asses in this area as they are in every other.
In that Bush isn't leading the way. I doubt he can find his *****.
Bruce.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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28 Jan 2007 01:15:06 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:19:44 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
this is my message to america: please stop being so scared of your enemies
and return to electing leaders of intelligence, vision, principle, and
compassion, who really will uphold your constitution and respect human
freedom, as well as other species, the world's resources, and the
environment we all have to share. you know how to do this. please do it
before it's too late for you and everyone else.
This is my message to Cal: Please invent a totally inert and limitless
source of power to keep me warm in the Winter before expecting me to change
my ways.
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| User: "cal" |
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28 Jan 2007 02:27:03 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:oftpr2924aej0pe5lbor23355cbvrbmabh@news.easynews.com...
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:19:44 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
this is my message to america: please stop being so scared of your enemies
and return to electing leaders of intelligence, vision, principle, and
compassion, who really will uphold your constitution and respect human
freedom, as well as other species, the world's resources, and the
environment we all have to share. you know how to do this. please do it
before it's too late for you and everyone else.
This is my message to Cal: Please invent a totally inert and limitless
source of power to keep me warm in the Winter before expecting me to
change my ways.
noted, thank you.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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28 Jan 2007 03:45:57 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:27:03 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:oftpr2924aej0pe5lbor23355cbvrbmabh@news.easynews.com...
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:19:44 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
this is my message to america: please stop being so scared of your enemies
and return to electing leaders of intelligence, vision, principle, and
compassion, who really will uphold your constitution and respect human
freedom, as well as other species, the world's resources, and the
environment we all have to share. you know how to do this. please do it
before it's too late for you and everyone else.
This is my message to Cal: Please invent a totally inert and limitless
source of power to keep me warm in the Winter before expecting me to
change my ways.
noted, thank you.
Whoa, wait a minute. If you go ahead and do it, I trust you'll offer me a
percentage for inspiring you... :)
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| User: "%" |
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28 Jan 2007 03:46:33 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message news:1b6qr2pnpvtmtl4gub6c3knpqatci7lcpr@news.easynews.com...
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:27:03 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:oftpr2924aej0pe5lbor23355cbvrbmabh@news.easynews.com...
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:19:44 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
this is my message to america: please stop being so scared of your enemies
and return to electing leaders of intelligence, vision, principle, and
compassion, who really will uphold your constitution and respect human
freedom, as well as other species, the world's resources, and the
environment we all have to share. you know how to do this. please do it
before it's too late for you and everyone else.
This is my message to Cal: Please invent a totally inert and limitless
source of power to keep me warm in the Winter before expecting me to
change my ways.
noted, thank you.
Whoa, wait a minute. If you go ahead and do it, I trust you'll offer me a
percentage for inspiring you... :)
Hi Calvin , did you miss me
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| User: "Janithor" |
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27 Jan 2007 02:29:18 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
cal wrote:
"Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:GiNuh.23162$yC5.22310@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
"Miserable" <nobody@misery.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98C5642E2728Dnobodynobodynobodyno@207.115.17.102...
The human race is destroying our planet. The process of environmental
destruction is already progressing rapidly. Animal and plant species are
becoming extinct at an alarming rate because of human activities. It is
likely that we are also causing the climate to change, with disastrous
consequences.
I have no doubt that one day the rest of the planet will threaten
Americans with violence and destructions if we don't stop emitting so much
pollution and greenhouse gases. We're like a uncontrolled virus gobbling
up the planet's natural resources and none will be left for future
generations.
don't feel singled out. a lot of countries are responsible. but several are
taking a more progressive position on emission control than the america has
under two bush administrations, as remarkable for living with their heads up
their asses in this area as they are in every other.
this is my message to america: please stop being so scared of your enemies
and return to electing leaders of intelligence, vision, principle, and
compassion, who really will uphold your constitution and respect human
freedom, as well as other species, the world's resources, and the
environment we all have to share. you know how to do this. please do it
before it's too late for you and everyone else.
Thank you, I'll bring this with me to the polls next time I vote.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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28 Jan 2007 01:13:05 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:59:50 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Miserable" <nobody@misery.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98C5642E2728Dnobodynobodynobodyno@207.115.17.102...
The human race is destroying our planet. The process of environmental
destruction is already progressing rapidly. Animal and plant species are
becoming extinct at an alarming rate because of human activities. It is
likely that we are also causing the climate to change, with disastrous
consequences.
I have no doubt that one day the rest of the planet will threaten Americans
with violence and destructions if we don't stop emitting so much pollution
and greenhouse gases. We're like a uncontrolled virus gobbling up the
planet's natural resources and none will be left for future generations.
Umm, you might want to look at the current figures again. Are they going to
attack India and China also?
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| User: "Bruce." |
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28 Jan 2007 02:45:49 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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Umm, you might want to look at the current figures again. Are they going
to
attack India and China also?
As the world resources are depleted, everyone will attack everyone else over
whatever is left.
Eventually, the human race, those that are left, will be living in huts and
caves again.
Bruce.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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28 Jan 2007 04:03:12 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:45:49 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:vbtpr2lf0lcnpi69cohnd56sd491oevig2@news.easynews.com...
Umm, you might want to look at the current figures again. Are they going
to
attack India and China also?
As the world resources are depleted, everyone will attack everyone else over
whatever is left.
Eventually, the human race, those that are left, will be living in huts and
caves again.
That's one possibility. I'd run out of ammo for my AR-15 eventually.
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
It's a technological crossroad.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the climate.
So let's just use it. It's cheap and plentiful for now. If you really want
to help, then promote space exploration and a return to the moon.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What America
also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors again. But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
As I said to Cal, the whiners need to stop whining and either come up with
a solution or get out of the way of known solutions.
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| User: "cal" |
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28 Jan 2007 07:26:11 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:45:49 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:vbtpr2lf0lcnpi69cohnd56sd491oevig2@news.easynews.com...
Umm, you might want to look at the current figures again. Are they going
to
attack India and China also?
As the world resources are depleted, everyone will attack everyone else
over whatever is left.
Eventually, the human race, those that are left, will be living in huts
and caves again.
That's one possibility. I'd run out of ammo for my AR-15 eventually.
yup, and probably before you ran out of hostile neighbors. it would make a
reasonably good club, but you'd definitely have to upgrade your archery,
catapult and slingshot skills. you'd like it. you might get offed by a stray
rock before your time, but the flower of your loins, sheikh buddha bin
droog, would subdue the surrounding clans and rule the region with enhanced
martial implements like, uh... poison darts.
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
It's a technological crossroad.
we're nowhere near that kind of technological crossroad.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the climate.
So let's just use it. It's cheap and plentiful for now. If you really want
to help, then promote space exploration and a return to the moon.
and hey, the sun is an infinitely large source of nuclear energy. all we
need to do is build a really long pipe and suck some of it down here. if
saddam could build a rifle that could shoot halfway around the world, we can
certainly do this.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What America
also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors again. But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
fine with me, so long as the next chernobyl happens downwind.from here and
all the seven-fingered puppies are squeezed out in your town, you paragon of
social conscience you.
solar and wind energy are better r&d alternatives. i've read about a
wind-powered generator that can provide a small town with electricity. we
have one here that can power a city block. houses with solar panels in the
roof have been a reality for some time. they don't entirely replace fossil
fuels in all climates, but they help. they make a difference without adding
risk.
As I said to Cal, the whiners need to stop whining and either come up with
a solution or get out of the way of known solutions.
your idea of a solution is to defend the status quo and propose sci-fi
fantasies.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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29 Jan 2007 10:43:09 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:26:11 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
yup, and probably before you ran out of hostile neighbors. it would make a
reasonably good club, but you'd definitely have to upgrade your archery,
catapult and slingshot skills. you'd like it. you might get offed by a stray
rock before your time, but the flower of your loins, sheikh buddha bin
droog, would subdue the surrounding clans and rule the region with enhanced
martial implements like, uh... poison darts.
sheikh buddha bin droog? You are likening my child to the worlds most
sought after terrorist?
That's big of you. But on par considering the unrealistic hysteria in which
you are caught up.
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| User: "cal" |
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29 Jan 2007 04:17:58 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:us8sr258lmbvmlktkk06g4s6o2ep500s9r@news.easynews.com...
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:26:11 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
yup, and probably before you ran out of hostile neighbors. it would make a
reasonably good club, but you'd definitely have to upgrade your archery,
catapult and slingshot skills. you'd like it. you might get offed by a
stray
rock before your time, but the flower of your loins, sheikh buddha bin
droog, would subdue the surrounding clans and rule the region with
enhanced
martial implements like, uh... poison darts.
sheikh buddha bin droog? You are likening my child to the worlds most
sought after terrorist?
in these "back to basics" visions of the future, his generation
may come to see the virtue of radical islam.
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| User: "CyberDroog" |
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29 Jan 2007 06:54:08 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:17:58 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:us8sr258lmbvmlktkk06g4s6o2ep500s9r@news.easynews.com...
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:26:11 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
yup, and probably before you ran out of hostile neighbors. it would make a
reasonably good club, but you'd definitely have to upgrade your archery,
catapult and slingshot skills. you'd like it. you might get offed by a
stray
rock before your time, but the flower of your loins, sheikh buddha bin
droog, would subdue the surrounding clans and rule the region with
enhanced
martial implements like, uh... poison darts.
sheikh buddha bin droog? You are likening my child to the worlds most
sought after terrorist?
in these "back to basics" visions of the future, his generation
may come to see the virtue of radical islam.
Radical islam is quite a bit different than anarchy.
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| User: "cal" |
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29 Jan 2007 08:09:41 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:17:58 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:26:11 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com>
wrote:
yup, and probably before you ran out of hostile neighbors. it would make
a reasonably good club, but you'd definitely have to upgrade your
archery, catapult and slingshot skills. you'd like it. you might get
offed by a stray rock before your time, but the flower of your loins,
sheikh buddha bin droog, would subdue the surrounding clans and rule the
region with enhanced martial implements like, uh... poison darts.
sheikh buddha bin droog? You are likening my child to the worlds most
sought after terrorist?
in these "back to basics" visions of the future, his generation
may come to see the virtue of radical islam.
Radical islam is quite a bit different than anarchy.
that it is.
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| User: "Bruce." |
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28 Jan 2007 05:11:14 PM |
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"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
I hope so but I fear it won't come in time. At the moment all we have are
hopes and dreams of a better future. I see nothing on the technological
horizon that could save our way of life. Certainly not in our lifetimes
anyway.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the climate.
I do. I believe we've already ignorantly set the planet on a path that only
immediate and drastic changes can slow our downfall. Our demise is
inevitable. The most we can hope to do is delay it.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What America
also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors again.
I agree with that, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Public
resistance to building them in their back yards will so slow progress, that
nuclear power will never amount to enough to make a difference in our
eventual fate.
But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
Exactly. And the politicians take the easy way out and listen to those
cries instead of acting in our long term best interest.
Bruce.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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28 Jan 2007 06:17:42 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:14 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
I hope so but I fear it won't come in time. At the moment all we have are
hopes and dreams of a better future. I see nothing on the technological
horizon that could save our way of life. Certainly not in our lifetimes
anyway.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the climate.
I do. I believe we've already ignorantly set the planet on a path that only
immediate and drastic changes can slow our downfall. Our demise is
inevitable. The most we can hope to do is delay it.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What America
also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors again.
I agree with that, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Public
resistance to building them in their back yards will so slow progress, that
nuclear power will never amount to enough to make a difference in our
eventual fate.
But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
Exactly. And the politicians take the easy way out and listen to those
cries instead of acting in our long term best interest.
Bruce.
That's quite a depressing outlook. We have at least enough oil and
natural gas for the next 50 years, and by we'll look back at internal
combustion vehicles and laugh.
Plus, if we get into a worldwide crisis, there's enough coal here in
the states to last 250 years...which surprisingly provides over 50% of
U.S. electricity use.
http://www.balancedenergy.org/abec/
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| User: "cal" |
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28 Jan 2007 07:26:48 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:14 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
I hope so but I fear it won't come in time. At the moment all we have are
hopes and dreams of a better future. I see nothing on the technological
horizon that could save our way of life. Certainly not in our lifetimes
anyway.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the
climate.
I do. I believe we've already ignorantly set the planet on a path that
only immediate and drastic changes can slow our downfall. Our demise is
inevitable. The most we can hope to do is delay it.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What
America also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors
again.
I agree with that, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Public
resistance to building them in their back yards will so slow progress,
that nuclear power will never amount to enough to make a difference in our
eventual fate.
But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
Exactly. And the politicians take the easy way out and listen to those
cries instead of acting in our long term best interest.
Bruce.
That's quite a depressing outlook. We have at least enough oil and
natural gas for the next 50 years, and by we'll look back at internal
combustion vehicles and laugh.
they were saying that back in the 1950s. literally. what i say is, forget
about it. the jetsons were just cartoon critters and tomorrowland only
happened in disneyland.
prognosticators in the late 20th century who said the 21st was going to look
like the 20th, only more dirty, tacky, crowded and fractious, are likely to
be the closest to the mark.
Plus, if we get into a worldwide crisis, there's enough coal here in
the states to last 250 years...
maybe, at the present rate of consumption. then again, you might have enough
for more, as great numbers of americans die off because of blacklung. then
the 23d century will look more like the 19th than the 20th.
which surprisingly provides over 50% of U.S. electricity use.
and is about the dirtiest fuel there is.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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28 Jan 2007 08:58:40 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:26:48 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com>
wrote:
"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:s7eqr2t81p7go85kpu5ne3ta4j31rqpp8s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:14 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
I hope so but I fear it won't come in time. At the moment all we have are
hopes and dreams of a better future. I see nothing on the technological
horizon that could save our way of life. Certainly not in our lifetimes
anyway.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the
climate.
I do. I believe we've already ignorantly set the planet on a path that
only immediate and drastic changes can slow our downfall. Our demise is
inevitable. The most we can hope to do is delay it.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What
America also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors
again.
I agree with that, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Public
resistance to building them in their back yards will so slow progress,
that nuclear power will never amount to enough to make a difference in our
eventual fate.
But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
Exactly. And the politicians take the easy way out and listen to those
cries instead of acting in our long term best interest.
Bruce.
That's quite a depressing outlook. We have at least enough oil and
natural gas for the next 50 years, and by we'll look back at internal
combustion vehicles and laugh.
they were saying that back in the 1950s. literally. what i say is, forget
about it. the jetsons were just cartoon critters and tomorrowland only
happened in disneyland.
prognosticators in the late 20th century who said the 21st was going to look
like the 20th, only more dirty, tacky, crowded and fractious, are likely to
be the closest to the mark.
Plus, if we get into a worldwide crisis, there's enough coal here in
the states to last 250 years...
maybe, at the present rate of consumption. then again, you might have enough
for more, as great numbers of americans die off because of blacklung. then
the 23d century will look more like the 19th than the 20th.
which surprisingly provides over 50% of U.S. electricity use.
and is about the dirtiest fuel there is.
Air quality in America is better than it has been in over 30 years --
these improvements occurred during a time when the use of coal to
generate electricity almost tripled...
http://www.ceednet.org/ceed/index.cfm?cid=7529
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:26:48 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmNOSPAMail.com>
wrote:
"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:14 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source
of which may be the moon.
I hope so but I fear it won't come in time. At the moment all we have
are hopes and dreams of a better future. I see nothing on the
technological horizon that could save our way of life. Certainly not in
our lifetimes
anyway.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the
climate.
I do. I believe we've already ignorantly set the planet on a path that
only immediate and drastic changes can slow our downfall. Our demise is
inevitable. The most we can hope to do is delay it.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What
America also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors
again.
I agree with that, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Public
resistance to building them in their back yards will so slow progress,
that nuclear power will never amount to enough to make a difference in
our eventual fate.
But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
Exactly. And the politicians take the easy way out and listen to those
cries instead of acting in our long term best interest.
Bruce.
That's quite a depressing outlook. We have at least enough oil and
natural gas for the next 50 years, and by we'll look back at internal
combustion vehicles and laugh.
they were saying that back in the 1950s. literally. what i say is, forget
about it. the jetsons were just cartoon critters and tomorrowland only
happened in disneyland.
prognosticators in the late 20th century who said the 21st was going to
look like the 20th, only more dirty, tacky, crowded and fractious, are
likely to be the closest to the mark.
Plus, if we get into a worldwide crisis, there's enough coal here in
the states to last 250 years...
maybe, at the present rate of consumption. then again, you might have
enough for more, as great numbers of americans die off because of
blacklung. then the 23d century will look more like the 19th than the
20th.
which surprisingly provides over 50% of U.S. electricity use.
and is about the dirtiest fuel there is.
Air quality in America is better than it has been in over 30 years --
these improvements occurred during a time when the use of coal to
generate electricity almost tripled...
http://www.ceednet.org/ceed/index.cfm?cid=7529
these guys seem to be a mouthpiece for the coal mining industry. i'd like to
see side-by-side pollution stats for coal, gas, oil, hydro, nuclear. but ok,
it's a point of view.
improvement in north american air quality over the past 30 years is probably
due more to better vehicle emission control than anything else.
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28 Jan 2007 06:28:39 PM |
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"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That's quite a depressing outlook. We have at least enough oil and
natural gas for the next 50 years, and by we'll look back at internal
combustion vehicles and laugh.
I hope so Bacon. For me, the only doable answer at the moment is nuclear
power and electric vehicles. All other doable sources of electricity
produce too much greenhouse gases. If we can't free ourselves from carbon
based fuels, I think we're screwed.
While alternatives like solar and wind power are interesting, I think those
are impossible to scale up to what's needed now, let alone the future.
Plus, if we get into a worldwide crisis, there's enough coal here in
the states to last 250 years...which surprisingly provides over 50% of
U.S. electricity use.
That is surprising, but I don't think the human race has 250 years left, or
life for that matter, if we don't change course. If we can't stop spouting
greenhouse gases, we have another Venus in the making.
We have to make changes NOW.
Bruce.
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29 Jan 2007 05:15:35 AM |
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Bacon wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:14 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
I hope so but I fear it won't come in time. At the moment all we have are
hopes and dreams of a better future. I see nothing on the technological
horizon that could save our way of life. Certainly not in our lifetimes
anyway.
I don't believe there is enough oil left in the world to ruin the climate.
I do. I believe we've already ignorantly set the planet on a path that only
immediate and drastic changes can slow our downfall. Our demise is
inevitable. The most we can hope to do is delay it.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What America
also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors again.
I agree with that, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Public
resistance to building them in their back yards will so slow progress, that
nuclear power will never amount to enough to make a difference in our
eventual fate.
But
whenever we try, the very same people who cry about oil destroying the
climate whine about building reactors.
Exactly. And the politicians take the easy way out and listen to those
cries instead of acting in our long term best interest.
Bruce.
That's quite a depressing outlook. We have at least enough oil and
natural gas for the next 50 years, and by we'll look back at internal
combustion vehicles and laugh.
Plus, if we get into a worldwide crisis, there's enough coal here in
the states to last 250 years...which surprisingly provides over 50% of
U.S. electricity use.
http://www.balancedenergy.org/abec/
Some family member won't listen what the family member said or
suggest, earnt free speach, or outside family member says and suggest,
a earnt free speach but that plus A public voice or indivisual say or
suggests fit for everyone`s in the regulation where some be blinded by
own habits earnt over politics and a regulation in the pain or in the
painless develops out of the self will.
Who knows the painless and who doesn't know a pain.
Get done of the firefighters from various places try to put out
someones leftedover buring oilfields added went along with technicaly
in the sandy place. I felt the pain.
Some coals undergrond still slowly burning.
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29 Jan 2007 10:37:32 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:17:42 -0600, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:14 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
Plus, if we get into a worldwide crisis, there's enough coal here in
the states to last 250 years...which surprisingly provides over 50% of
U.S. electricity use.
http://www.balancedenergy.org/abec/
And to that the fact that coal is becoming cleaner and cleaner to burn
thanks to new technologies.
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29 Jan 2007 10:05:02 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:14 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
news:5s6qr2hmmg4l8vij4lnhl3spvfl7ged7qd@news.easynews.com...
Another possibility is that we'll discover much more efficient power
sources, such as fusion reactors powered by Helium-3 - a good source of
which may be the moon.
I hope so but I fear it won't come in time. At the moment all we have are
hopes and dreams of a better future. I see nothing on the technological
horizon that could save our way of life. Certainly not in our lifetimes
anyway.
Just like every other generation that faced hard conditions: weather,
pestilence, famine, etc. Somehow we made it.
The U.S., via the Orion Project, is finally doing that again. What America
also needs to do is go full bore in building nuclear reactors again.
I agree with that, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Public
resistance to building them in their back yards will so slow progress, that
nuclear power will never amount to enough to make a difference in our
eventual fate.
Probably not, because it's the same tree-huggers who complain about global
warming that don't want nuclear power either. They even complain about wind
turbines killing birds, or being an eyesore off the coast line. There is no
winning with them - aside from everybody living as the Amish do.
But those people use as much energy as everybody else. Robert Kennedy Jr.
flies from one end of the country to the other on a private jet telling the
rest of us to conserve energy.
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01 Feb 2007 12:35:41 PM |
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CyberDroog wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:59:50 GMT, "Bruce." <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Miserable" <nobody@misery.net> wrote in message
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The human race is destroying our planet. The process of environmental
destruction is already progressing rapidly. Animal and plant species are
becoming extinct at an alarming rate because of human activities. It is
likely that we are also causing the climate to change, with disastrous
consequences.
I have no doubt that one day the rest of the planet will threaten Americans
with violence and destructions if we don't stop emitting so much pollution
and greenhouse gases. We're like a uncontrolled virus gobbling up the
planet's natural resources and none will be left for future generations.
Umm, you might want to look at the current figures again. Are they going to
attack India and China also?
PARIS (AP) - The most authoritative report on climate change is using
the strongest wording ever on the source of global warming, saying it is
"very likely" caused by humans and already is leading to killer heat
waves and stronger hurricanes, delegates who have seen the report said
Thursday.
Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats from 113 countries are editing the
new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in
closed-door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
approved, is to be released Friday and is considered an authoritative
document that could influence government and industrial policy worldwide....
....The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which means
a 99 percent chance.
The U.S. government delegation was not one of the more vocal groups in
the debate over the "very likely" statement for man-made warming, said
other countries' officials. However, several officials credited the head
of the panel session, Susan Solomon, a top U.S. government climate
scientist, with pushing through the agreement in just 90 minutes.
The Bush administration acknowledges that global warming is man-made and
a problem that must be dealt with, Bush science adviser Jack Marburger
told The Associated Press late last year
The Chinese delegation was resistant to strong wording on global
warming, said Barbados delegate Leonard Fields and Zimbabwe delegate
Washington Zhakata.
China has increasingly turned to fossil fuels, which emit the greenhouse
gases blamed for boosting the Earth's temperature, to feed its huge and
growing energy needs. The Chinese also asked the panel to remove the
official definition of "very likely" from the text.
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01 Feb 2007 01:07:10 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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PARIS (AP) - The most authoritative report on climate change is using the
strongest wording ever on the source of global warming, saying it is "very
likely" caused by humans and already is leading to killer heat waves and
stronger hurricanes, delegates who have seen the report said Thursday.
Not long ago, I saw Al Gore's movie An Inconvenient Truth. I found his
arguments for human caused global warming to be extremely convincing.
For his movie An Inconvenient Truth and for his work in countless countries
spreading the warning about global warming, he's just been nominated for a
Nobel Peace Prize. His movie/documentary has also been nominated for a
Oscar.
I recommend all doubters see it.
Bruce.
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01 Feb 2007 01:11:32 PM |
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Bruce. wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45C232FD.7090907@comcast.net...
PARIS (AP) - The most authoritative report on climate change is using the
strongest wording ever on the source of global warming, saying it is "very
likely" caused by humans and already is leading to killer heat waves and
stronger hurricanes, delegates who have seen the report said Thursday.
Not long ago, I saw Al Gore's movie An Inconvenient Truth. I found his
arguments for human caused global warming to be extremely convincing.
For his movie An Inconvenient Truth and for his work in countless countries
spreading the warning about global warming, he's just been nominated for a
Nobel Peace Prize. His movie/documentary has also been nominated for a
Oscar.
I recommend all doubters see it.
Bruce.
You missed the part in my post where the Bush administration didn't
fight the statement that global warming is very likely causing global
warming, while the Chinese did fight that statement.
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| User: "cal" |
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01 Feb 2007 01:25:32 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Bruce. wrote:
"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45C232FD.7090907@comcast.net...
PARIS (AP) - The most authoritative report on climate change is using the
strongest wording ever on the source of global warming, saying it is
"very likely" caused by humans and already is leading to killer heat
waves and stronger hurricanes, delegates who have seen the report said
Thursday.
Not long ago, I saw Al Gore's movie An Inconvenient Truth. I found his
arguments for human caused global warming to be extremely convincing.
For his movie An Inconvenient Truth and for his work in countless
countries spreading the warning about global warming, he's just been
nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. His movie/documentary has also been
nominated for a Oscar.
I recommend all doubters see it.
Bruce.
You missed the part in my post where the Bush administration didn't fight
the statement that global warming is very likely causing global warming,
while the Chinese did fight that statement.
the chinese are a developing nation who have the brass ring in sight. they
aren't about to be held back by some booshwah crap like global warming.
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01 Feb 2007 01:22:00 PM |
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"Janithor" <Janithor@comcast.net> wrote in message
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You missed the part in my post where the Bush administration didn't fight
the statement that global warming is very likely causing global warming,
while the Chinese did fight that statement.
I recommend we send copies of An Inconvenient Truth to China.
Bruce.
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