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"Nina" |
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14 Oct 2004 09:03:28 PM |
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I did the best that I could |
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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14 Oct 2004 09:08:20 PM |
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"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:6haum0hjtf0u7a6a7i563smpm6p1f43dfp@4ax.com...
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an
invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
yep , its hard , one of the hardest lessons i ever learned ,
but when it comes time to let it go ,
all you can do is let it go
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14 Oct 2004 09:26:27 PM |
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I am sorry Nina that things just didn't work out. It is so incredibly sad when
a marriage breaks up (been there, done that). I am sure down deep inside in
that spot that refuses to let your husband tell you---I am sure he knows it was
time to go.
It hurts so much and you feel at that point that while you are going to be free
some time down the road, thinking of the process of starting all over
again----is so depressing.
Stop blaming yourself and just keep trying to remember that you did everything
you could to make it work and that means you did your best. You can't fault
yourself for that.
Put the would've, should'ves to rest and now try to piece something together
for your future.
May it bring you happiness---which you greatly deserve!
Becky
"I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild;
when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and
moody. And in all its moods, I see myself."
-Martin Buxbaum
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15 Oct 2004 04:09:29 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:26:27 GMT, (BGumm) wrote:
I am sorry Nina that things just didn't work out. It is so incredibly sad when
a marriage breaks up (been there, done that). I am sure down deep inside in
that spot that refuses to let your husband tell you---I am sure he knows it was
time to go.
The funny thing is, I don't know that he does. He's so oblivious that
I think that some part of him believes that everything is just ok, and
that this is simply some whim of mine. Yes, I know that's deeply sick
and wrong. But when you're told again and again that you're seeing
the world wrong, that blind faith is almost contagious. You start
wondering if perhaps you ARE wrong.
It hurts so much and you feel at that point that while you are going to be free
some time down the road, thinking of the process of starting all over
again----is so depressing.
It's frightening.
Stop blaming yourself and just keep trying to remember that you did everything
you could to make it work and that means you did your best. You can't fault
yourself for that.
Put the would've, should'ves to rest and now try to piece something together
for your future.
May it bring you happiness---which you greatly deserve!
Thank you. :-) I've realized in thinking about this, that I'm
terrible at endings. It's like Steven King novels... I haven't read
one in years, so no one needs to tell me which ones are not like this,
but a lot of his early books... it's like he'd just get going and get
all meshed in the story, and simply have no clue how to end it, so
he'd wrap it all together in some nonsense way. And the effect of
that was to make the reader go, oh, that really wasn't worth it.
I want to wrap this all up in a neat little package that I can store
in the attic, and that isn't the way that life works. I am more
comfortable when everything is neatly ordered and pretty and calm.
But you can't get anywhere that way.
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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19 Oct 2004 04:25:52 PM |
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In message <6ne0n09jitbddfd3ajvrm6anb1kmpi2mc1@4ax.com>, Nina
<ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> writes
I've realized in thinking about this, that I'm
terrible at endings. It's like Steven King novels... I haven't read
one in years, so no one needs to tell me which ones are not like this,
but a lot of his early books... it's like he'd just get going and get
all meshed in the story, and simply have no clue how to end it, so
he'd wrap it all together in some nonsense way. And the effect of
that was to make the reader go, oh, that really wasn't worth it.
I wonder what proportion of humanity feels that on their deathbeds - it
really wasn't worth it.
Yes, I am feeling a bit low. It'll be better in the morning.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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15 Oct 2004 10:13:24 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:09:29 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I want to wrap this all up in a neat little package that I can store
in the attic, and that isn't the way that life works. I am more
comfortable when everything is neatly ordered and pretty and calm.
But you can't get anywhere that way.
Nina
I got stealth-dumped real-good, and I learn from others' works
the only part that I screwed up on was obeying her demand that
I not hunt her down/find her. later, I heard thats' what she wanted
*****, someone even dumped a Maria-sized burlap bag in the carport
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15 Oct 2004 04:20:14 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:26:27 GMT, (BGumm) wrote:
I am sorry Nina that things just didn't work out. It is so incredibly sad when
a marriage breaks up (been there, done that). I am sure down deep inside in
that spot that refuses to let your husband tell you---I am sure he knows it was
time to go.
The funny thing is, I don't know that he does. He's so oblivious that
I think that some part of him believes that everything is just ok, and
that this is simply some whim of mine. Yes, I know that's deeply sick
and wrong. But when you're told again and again that you're seeing
the world wrong, that blind faith is almost contagious. You start
wondering if perhaps you ARE wrong.
It hurts so much and you feel at that point that while you are going to be free
some time down the road, thinking of the process of starting all over
again----is so depressing.
It's frightening.
Stop blaming yourself and just keep trying to remember that you did everything
you could to make it work and that means you did your best. You can't fault
yourself for that.
Put the would've, should'ves to rest and now try to piece something together
for your future.
May it bring you happiness---which you greatly deserve!
Thank you. :-) I've realized in thinking about this, that I'm
terrible at endings. It's like Steven King novels... I haven't read
one in years, so no one needs to tell me which ones are not like this,
but a lot of his early books... it's like he'd just get going and get
all meshed in the story, and simply have no clue how to end it, so
he'd wrap it all together in some nonsense way. And the effect of
that was to make the reader go, oh, that really wasn't worth it.
I want to wrap this all up in a neat little package that I can store
in the attic, and that isn't the way that life works. I am more
comfortable when everything is neatly ordered and pretty and calm.
But you can't get anywhere that way.
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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15 Oct 2004 12:00:52 AM |
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"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:6haum0hjtf0u7a6a7i563smpm6p1f43dfp@4ax.com...
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
That's right Nina, you did. And it's time to move forward. About time.
Ed
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an
invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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15 Oct 2004 04:09:28 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:00:52 GMT, "chaptal" <chaptal@earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:6haum0hjtf0u7a6a7i563smpm6p1f43dfp@4ax.com...
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
That's right Nina, you did. And it's time to move forward. About time.
Yes, it is. Overtime. Long past time.
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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15 Oct 2004 04:14:43 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:00:52 GMT, "chaptal" <chaptal@earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:6haum0hjtf0u7a6a7i563smpm6p1f43dfp@4ax.com...
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
That's right Nina, you did. And it's time to move forward. About time.
Yes, it is. Overtime. Long past time.
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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15 Oct 2004 04:26:29 PM |
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Oh, hell, first nothing was connecting, and now it's double posting
everything. Sorry about that....
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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15 Oct 2004 04:28:22 PM |
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"Nina" <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> wrote in message
news:33g0n0t1l71pcup4d2ucgjnqrmr6p0dci2@4ax.com...
Oh, hell, first nothing was connecting, and now it's double posting
everything. Sorry about that....
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an
invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
everybody gets an answer accept me , the first to respond ,
well , it doesn't matter , i know how you feel ,
i've gone through the same thing lots of times ,
you'll be ok
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15 Oct 2004 10:25:38 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:26:29 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
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Oh, hell, first nothing was connecting, and now it's double posting
everything. Sorry about that....
isn't bothering me. I'm have no short-term memory loss
....even behind hypnotics I got a stealth buffer for that *****
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15 Oct 2004 10:22:33 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:14:43 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
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Yes, it is. Overtime. Long past time.
Nina
I'm running the hold-on-for-one-more-day program
and there are the catz to consider, but there are
sharp delinations when it comes to that hassle
yep. he knows what I'm thinking, and leapt-up...
love me, love my cat. no duct-taping this one
of course, this cat isn't a demon-from-hell=20
possessed cat that needs to be duct-taped
or, a bird-killer. the question about the birds
I haven't been able to resolve. did she want
me to rescue the bird, or just let it cack-off?
whoops. the other cat has been mindreading, too
skinny Jasmine-grrl. she still has security issues
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| User: "Filpriros" |
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14 Oct 2004 09:17:30 PM |
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Dear Nina,
Your post brought me to tears. All I want to tell you -- if it matters at all
-- is that you are not alone in these feelings. I too, when it came time to do
the papers, wanted my ex to somehow see how much I had been put in, how much I
had tried and that he wasn't discarded. And like you, I felt in an odd way as
if it was him who discarded me too.
I know this hurts even though you love someone else now, and even though the
divroce is "right," in the sense that it frees you to build a joyous life --
still it hurts -- perhaps it is not wanting to fail at something I know you
took seriously.
But you didn't fail. I know you only from your posts, but I can tell that you
are a woman who gives all she can and is steadfast and only stops when there is
no there anymore.
You are in my prayers -- truly.
Rosena
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| User: "Nina" |
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15 Oct 2004 04:10:34 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:17:30 GMT, (Filpriros) wrote:
Dear Nina,
Your post brought me to tears. All I want to tell you -- if it matters at all
-- is that you are not alone in these feelings. I too, when it came time to do
the papers, wanted my ex to somehow see how much I had been put in, how much I
had tried and that he wasn't discarded. And like you, I felt in an odd way as
if it was him who discarded me too.
I know this hurts even though you love someone else now, and even though the
divroce is "right," in the sense that it frees you to build a joyous life --
still it hurts -- perhaps it is not wanting to fail at something I know you
took seriously.
But you didn't fail. I know you only from your posts, but I can tell that you
are a woman who gives all she can and is steadfast and only stops when there is
no there anymore.
Part of me knows that I didn't fail, and it's more of me all the time.
Something happened today that was utterly unrelated to this... a silly
school thing... and it really made me think about how important
closure and feeling that I did the right thing... and that other
people understand that is was the right thing... is to me.
But I see, too, how deeply unhealthy that need is, and how much I need
to walk away from it. I'm better at it now than I ever was, but it's
still a long way from right.
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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| User: "Nina" |
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15 Oct 2004 04:20:36 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:17:30 GMT, (Filpriros) wrote:
Dear Nina,
Your post brought me to tears. All I want to tell you -- if it matters at all
-- is that you are not alone in these feelings. I too, when it came time to do
the papers, wanted my ex to somehow see how much I had been put in, how much I
had tried and that he wasn't discarded. And like you, I felt in an odd way as
if it was him who discarded me too.
I know this hurts even though you love someone else now, and even though the
divroce is "right," in the sense that it frees you to build a joyous life --
still it hurts -- perhaps it is not wanting to fail at something I know you
took seriously.
But you didn't fail. I know you only from your posts, but I can tell that you
are a woman who gives all she can and is steadfast and only stops when there is
no there anymore.
Part of me knows that I didn't fail, and it's more of me all the time.
Something happened today that was utterly unrelated to this... a silly
school thing... and it really made me think about how important
closure and feeling that I did the right thing... and that other
people understand that is was the right thing... is to me.
But I see, too, how deeply unhealthy that need is, and how much I need
to walk away from it. I'm better at it now than I ever was, but it's
still a long way from right.
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I did the best that I could |
19 Oct 2004 04:27:51 PM |
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In message <6haum0hjtf0u7a6a7i563smpm6p1f43dfp@4ax.com>, Nina
<ninaNOSPAM@economika.net> writes
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
Get a good lawyer before he realises what he's losing.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "kerfoker" |
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| Title: Re: I did the best that I could |
16 Oct 2004 01:08:34 PM |
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Nina wrote:
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
And that's all you can do Nina. Best wishes to you in this
difficult time.
-Fred
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| User: "wombn" |
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14 Oct 2004 09:44:29 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I did do the best that I could.
I believe that.
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If laughter is the best medicine,
then kittens should be covered by our health insurance. :-)
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| User: "Nina" |
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15 Oct 2004 04:09:29 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:44:29 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I did do the best that I could.
I believe that.
Thank you. That means a great deal to me, because some of the time,
it's so hard for me to believe it. I always feel, in some inner
place, that it's something defective about me. I know that's wrong,
but that small voice of self-sabotage still says it.
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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| User: "=^.^=" |
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| Title: Re: I did the best that I could |
15 Oct 2004 10:07:16 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:09:29 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:44:29 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I did do the best that I could.
I believe that.
Thank you. That means a great deal to me, because some of the time,
it's so hard for me to believe it. I always feel, in some inner
place, that it's something defective about me. I know that's wrong,
but that small voice of self-sabotage still says it.
someone-else uploaded that program...
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| User: "Nina" |
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15 Oct 2004 04:19:20 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:44:29 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I did do the best that I could.
I believe that.
Thank you. That means a great deal to me, because some of the time,
it's so hard for me to believe it. I always feel, in some inner
place, that it's something defective about me. I know that's wrong,
but that small voice of self-sabotage still says it.
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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15 Oct 2004 12:15:09 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
that seems to be the way normie relationships go...
I've only experienced one; I can relate to your situation
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
***** his alleged concern. want and need are not the same...
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
many twoleggeds go dead in the head; the fire goes out...
I just need to learn the warning indicators. I can't do it again
I rather have some fight, make-up, and *****, than blankness
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could." =20
sounds appropriate
<snip>
I did do the best that I could.
Nina
indeed
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| User: "Nina" |
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15 Oct 2004 04:03:25 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:15:09 GMT, =^.^= <=^.^=@=^.^=> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
that seems to be the way normie relationships go...
I've only experienced one; I can relate to your situation
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
***** his alleged concern. want and need are not the same...
Yeah. Exactly right. This is what I need, not what I want. This is
not what I ever wanted, until I was pushed there. And it took nearly
a decade of pushing to give me the courage to get here... so that's a
lot of pushing.
Nina
_____________
"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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15 Oct 2004 10:06:17 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:03:25 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:15:09 GMT, =3D^.^=3D <=3D^.^=3D@=3D^.^=3D> wrote:
***** his alleged concern. want and need are not the same...
Yeah. Exactly right. This is what I need, not what I want. This is
not what I ever wanted, until I was pushed there. And it took nearly
a decade of pushing to give me the courage to get here... so that's a
lot of pushing.
Nina
time gets more precious when there's less of it to waste...
it usually does take me more time to get moving and the most
damage gets absorbed towards the end...almost took me down
the last time, and I got pursued even after I'd escaped, az-well
I felt much safer, out in the desert wasteland, too...
when I was lured-back by economics and politics I got tracked
right to my kitchen window, where I was grinding coffee. *****!
I've worked-out the Invizo-thing, and practical cloaking devices
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15 Oct 2004 03:08:53 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
Yes you did. You still are.
(((((((((((((Nina)))))))))))))
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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yuluwirri
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Fish know.
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yuluwirri@hotmail.com
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15 Oct 2004 03:59:26 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:08:53 +1000, yuluwirri <yuluwirri@hotmail.com>
wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:03:28 -0400, Nina <ninaNOSPAM@economika.net>
wrote:
I've been married for 20 years. Unimaginable, isn't it? But the last
eight years or so... half of the marriage, really... has been barely
anything like a relationship. We don't sleep together, do anything
together, barely talk most of the time. And we are finally getting a
divorce. This is a very good thing, but I find everything about it
excruciating.
Today he said, what are you going to tell our son about why we are
getting a divorce? Because as far as I'm concerned, the reason is
only because you want it.
And I was so angry. I didn't really say that to him, what's the
point? But I mulled it over in my mind, and talked to Michael about
it, and tried to figure out why it makes me so angry. I don't know,
really, but part of it is that, for some reason, I just want some kind
of acknowledgement from him, of how much I put into this, of how long
I put into this, of everything I did before, finally, I just gave up.
That I didn't just throw him and the relationship away, that I loved
him and did everything that I could for as long as I could. I don't
want his blessing or absolution or anything like that... although,
sure, it would make it easier. But I wish that I believed that he
understood.
Michael said, what do you want your medal to read? He's right, of
course. That's what I want, some sort of award that says... I don't
know, something. I had to think long and hard about what that
something was, but I think that it's "You did the best that you
could."
And, damn it, I did. I didn't do everything right. I did a lot of
things really wrong, and I was wrong, too, to just give up but stay
married... but then, I couldn't have done anything different. I
believed that it was the right thing to do for my son, and I was too
intrinsically screwed up to be able to walk away, then. But I spent a
hell of a long time trying really hard, of blaming myself for
everything that was wrong, of taking care of everything, of trying to
talk to someone who would just look at me and say nothing. I gave him
everything that I had, and I loved him for a very long time, and I
didn't give up until I realized that it was killing me. And the
recognition of that sent me into what I can only call a disassociative
break, so that I was someone else for about six months, and then the
worst depression of my life, although there were many things that
caused that.
At the end of it all, I just want him to understand that. I don't
know why it matters to me... perhaps because I did love him, and I saw
what he could be, if he chose to, and I want him to know that I didn't
just discard him. He discarded me, for all that I think he'll never
get that. And I didn't understand it, and in a way, it broke my heart
a bit. I understand it better now, I think, because I've seen what
kind of courage it takes to try to break old patterns, and he doesn't
have that or want it.
And where does all that leave me? I don't know. Filled with
admiration for Michael, who works at this sort of thing all the time,
no matter what the cost. With bitterness, just a little, for the
knowledge that I'll never get the acknowledgment that I want... that
medal... because if my husband (and for so many years, it has felt
just wrong to call him that) could really understand that, we probably
wouldn't be here. With a vague kind of hope that at some point, this
will all be DONE, and that at last I can break free, once and for all,
from the guilt and the history and the past.
I did do the best that I could.
Yes you did. You still are.
(((((((((((((Nina)))))))))))))
Thanks, Grace. I know this will all be better on the other side of
it.
Nina
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"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me lay an invincible summer."
-Albert Camus
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