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Topic: Sociology > Depression
User: "Alan Harding"
Date: 24 Dec 2006 03:26:41 PM
Object: I don't do Xmas
So why am I so fucking down?
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just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.

User: "%"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 03:49:20 PM
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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So why am I so fucking down?

--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

your answer should be your question ,
and your question is your answer
.
User: "slunky"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 03:53:43 PM
_/ % wrote \_

your answer should be your question ,
and your question is your answer

That was profound.
--
-slunky
.
User: "%"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 04:18:45 PM
"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
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_/ % wrote \_

your answer should be your question ,
and your question is your answer


That was profound.

--
-slunky

ta da
.



User: "cal"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 07:20:51 PM
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?

it doesn't seem to matter if i do xmas or not. it does me either way. i need
to figure out how not to be victimized by it. it's like death by slow
poisoning for five or six weeks every year. this year, worse than usual.
anyway, it's over now, thank goodness. the one thing i do like about it is
how quickly and completely it goes away when it's done.
no, but really. i shouldn't just let it go. i should try to figure something
out. an antidote, immunization. it wrecks too much of my life.
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 26 Dec 2006 04:20:22 AM
In message <emptdk$88t$1@news.datemas.de>, cal <cal@gmNOSPAMail.com>
writes

"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?


it doesn't seem to matter if i do xmas or not. it does me either way. i need
to figure out how not to be victimized by it. it's like death by slow
poisoning for five or six weeks every year. this year, worse than usual.
anyway, it's over now, thank goodness. the one thing i do like about it is
how quickly and completely it goes away when it's done.

no, but really. i shouldn't just let it go. i should try to figure something
out. an antidote, immunization. it wrecks too much of my life.

I reckon I was lucky it was only one day for me. It's just that it isn't
usually even one.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.


User: "spy vs spy"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 26 Dec 2006 07:42:42 AM
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?

--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

Because everbody tells you to be "happy".
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 26 Dec 2006 11:01:10 AM
In message <mF9kh.1024$cI.539@trnddc05>, spy vs spy <spyvsspy@mad.com>
writes

"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?


Because everbody tells you to be "happy".

I think I've trained my family not to say that. I'm not sure I've got
them not to expect it. I'm not sure I've learned not to expect it myself
- life's a continuous disappointment.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.


User: "Bruce."

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 05:44:57 PM
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?

Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented Christmas
to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.
Bruce.
.
User: "%"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 05:46:44 PM
"Bruce." <bachasNOSPAMtain@sbcNOSPAMglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?


Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented

Christmas

to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.

Bruce.


yea , the big bang is do to nothing having nothing to be happy about
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 04:22:49 AM
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<persent@gmail.com> writes

"Bruce." <bachasNOSPAMtain@sbcNOSPAMglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?


Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented

Christmas

to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.


yea , the big bang is do to nothing having nothing to be happy about

I read they thought they'd found an echo of a big bang before the Big
Bang, so we can't even look forward to the end of the universe.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "cal"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 07:22:27 PM
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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So why am I so fucking down?


Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented
Christmas to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.


yea , the big bang is do to nothing having nothing to be happy about


I read they thought they'd found an echo of a big bang before the Big
Bang, so we can't even look forward to the end of the universe.

wow, i hadn't heard that. but i always figured it had to be something of the
kind. the big bang a single pulse in the beating of a heart.
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 26 Dec 2006 04:15:27 AM
In message <emptgk$8bh$1@news.datemas.de>, cal <cal@gmNOSPAMail.com>
writes

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"Bruce." <bachasNOSPAMtain@sbcNOSPAMglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?


Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented
Christmas to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.


yea , the big bang is do to nothing having nothing to be happy about


I read they thought they'd found an echo of a big bang before the Big
Bang, so we can't even look forward to the end of the universe.


wow, i hadn't heard that. but i always figured it had to be something of the
kind. the big bang a single pulse in the beating of a heart.

Did you ever have those thoughts about the universe being a big, living
organism, with us alive in its gut, or components of its brain, if
you're feeling good about yourself? Imagine how big it must be if its
big bangs are heartbeats. Everything would be so slow that we could
never figure it out.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "cal"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 26 Dec 2006 05:16:36 AM
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <emptgk$8bh$1@news.datemas.de>, cal <cal@gmNOSPAMail.com>
writes

"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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<persent@gmail.com> writes

"Bruce." <bachasNOSPAMtain@sbcNOSPAMglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?


Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented
Christmas to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.


yea , the big bang is do to nothing having nothing to be happy about


I read they thought they'd found an echo of a big bang before the Big
Bang, so we can't even look forward to the end of the universe.


wow, i hadn't heard that. but i always figured it had to be something of
the kind. the big bang a single pulse in the beating of a heart.


Did you ever have those thoughts about the universe being a big, living
organism, with us alive in its gut, or components of its brain, if you're
feeling good about yourself?

yup. i was 8 when i came up with the notion that the universe might be a
vast steam radiator like the one in my bedroom. the idea of it being a
living organism came later, when i was a teen. i remember, because i wrote
poems about it. i see it as more of a poetic hypothesis than a scientific
one. but that could just be compartmentalized thinking on my part, or not
sufficiently disciplined thinking.

Imagine how big it must be if its big bangs are heartbeats. Everything
would be so slow that we could never figure it out.

but there may be other intelligent beings whose life span is so immensely
long that they've been able to do it. and the universal being itself, is it
intelligent? are there others? maybe the universe is just one person waiting
for a train in a crowded station.
.
User: "nay"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 27 Dec 2006 07:24:00 AM
I came crashing down this Xmass too....I sat up and blogged most of the
night. the only good thing that came from my crash is that I got to
meet all of you wonderful folk. My family called the whole day to ask
me to come down and have "fun" with them. I was bawling my eyes out
and ended up looking like Rudolf the reindeer with a red nose. Needless
to say, I didnt go and still didnt go. this time of year can suck.
cal wrote:

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"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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So why am I so fucking down?


Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented
Christmas to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.


yea , the big bang is do to nothing having nothing to be happy about


I read they thought they'd found an echo of a big bang before the Big
Bang, so we can't even look forward to the end of the universe.


wow, i hadn't heard that. but i always figured it had to be something of
the kind. the big bang a single pulse in the beating of a heart.


Did you ever have those thoughts about the universe being a big, living
organism, with us alive in its gut, or components of its brain, if you're
feeling good about yourself?


yup. i was 8 when i came up with the notion that the universe might be a
vast steam radiator like the one in my bedroom. the idea of it being a
living organism came later, when i was a teen. i remember, because i wrote
poems about it. i see it as more of a poetic hypothesis than a scientific
one. but that could just be compartmentalized thinking on my part, or not
sufficiently disciplined thinking.

Imagine how big it must be if its big bangs are heartbeats. Everything
would be so slow that we could never figure it out.


but there may be other intelligent beings whose life span is so immensely
long that they've been able to do it. and the universal being itself, is it
intelligent? are there others? maybe the universe is just one person waiting
for a train in a crowded station.

.






User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 04:21:15 AM
In message <_hEjh.17828$QU1.8762@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>, Bruce.
<bachasNOSPAMtain@sbcNOSPAMglobal.net> writes

"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zWo1uMKRCvjFFwAb@harding.demon.co.uk...

So why am I so fucking down?


Personally I think the depression came first. Later they invented Christmas
to try and cheer people up. It just doesn't work on some.

I my case I think it's coincidence. I've never been down for Xmas
before. Maybe it was just yesterday. I'll do a questionnaire after
coffee so I'll know how I'm feeling.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.


User: "Contrarian"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 08:42:25 PM
Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:

So why am I so ****ing down?

Part of depression, isn't it?
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 04:25:23 AM
In message <lUGjh.926$dd.647@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
Contrarian <adrba65@gmail.com> writes

Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:

So why am I so ****ing down?


Part of depression, isn't it?

I was just wondering why then. I try to make a point of being around at
Xmas for those who feel down, rather than feel down myself.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.


User: "used2be"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 06:30:39 PM
Alan Harding wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?

we get our expectations up way too high at Xmas time. if we focused on
what was truly important during the Xmas season instead of all the
things we WISH would happen, we'd be more at peace.
*hugs*
~traveling u2b
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 04:24:14 AM
In message <1167006639.303229.181360@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
used2be <ludymaetx@yahoo.com> writes

Alan Harding wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?


we get our expectations up way too high at Xmas time. if we focused on
what was truly important during the Xmas season instead of all the
things we WISH would happen, we'd be more at peace.

My wife, who's Jewish, told me yesterday that she liked trees. This
could be the end of Xmas as we know it.

*hugs*

Ta, and back at you.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "Jesters mummy"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 04:43:36 PM
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:24:14 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

<(((*>My wife, who's Jewish, told me yesterday that she liked trees. This
<(((*>could be the end of Xmas as we know it.

I have a coworker who is Jewish, and married to a (Catholic) French Canadian.
I don't know how they've resolved the religious issues regarding the children,
but I do know that every year at Hannakuh, there is one night when they
celebrate their own family tradition of "Poutinakuh". This is the night when
they make a huge mess of poutine (a French Canadian speciality which mixes
cheese curds, french fries, and gravy) for their dinner.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 06:10:16 PM
In message <kok0p25bve1fmm0me0kt3bn0dbc7uf3bp6@4ax.com>, Jester's mummy
<cocky2@nest.egg> writes

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:24:14 +0000, Alan Harding <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

<(((*>My wife, who's Jewish, told me yesterday that she liked trees. This
<(((*>could be the end of Xmas as we know it.


I have a coworker who is Jewish, and married to a (Catholic) French Canadian.

I don't know how they've resolved the religious issues regarding the children,
but I do know that every year at Hannakuh, there is one night when they
celebrate their own family tradition of "Poutinakuh". This is the night when
they make a huge mess of poutine (a French Canadian speciality which mixes
cheese curds, french fries, and gravy) for their dinner.

Since my wife's Jewish, Wynne's Jewish, Bar Mitzvah and all, but is
currently rejecting all religions. He accepts Chanukah and Xmas presents
though. Over here, since Jews are legally a racial group, he counts as
mixed race, too.
Life's rich tapestry, and all that.
Yours, planning the Xmas lights for the outside of the house the year
after next.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "cal"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 07:23:52 PM
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:EsRYweHohGkFFwMr@harding.demon.co.uk...

In message <kok0p25bve1fmm0me0kt3bn0dbc7uf3bp6@4ax.com>, Jester's mummy
<cocky2@nest.egg> writes

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:24:14 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

<(((*>My wife, who's Jewish, told me yesterday that she liked trees. This
<(((*>could be the end of Xmas as we know it.


I have a coworker who is Jewish, and married to a (Catholic) French
Canadian.

I don't know how they've resolved the religious issues regarding the
children, but I do know that every year at Hannakuh, there is one night
when they celebrate their own family tradition of "Poutinakuh". This is
the night when they make a huge mess of poutine (a French Canadian
speciality which mixes cheese curds, french fries, and gravy) for their
dinner.


Since my wife's Jewish, Wynne's Jewish, Bar Mitzvah and all, but is
currently rejecting all religions. He accepts Chanukah and Xmas presents
though. Over here, since Jews are legally a racial group, he counts as
mixed race, too.

Life's rich tapestry, and all that.

i come from a jewish family which kept christmas, for reasons originating
with my mother being orphaned at the age of three. it had a huge sentimental
and neurotic importance to her, not least because it provided her with a
fantastic tool for tormenting and manipulating the living bejeezus out of
her kids. it's probably the main reason for my neurotic fear and loathing of
"the season", although there are one or two others.
.





User: "Brianversion"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 24 Dec 2006 09:37:09 PM
Alan Harding wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?

I didn't do Christmas for the past 5 years. Did it tonight. Really was
great. Except for 1 person. And as I was whining about it to my
sister, she said, "There can be 98 people in the room who love you, and
you'll focus on that one that doesn't." Oh, how true.
brian


--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

.
User: "cal"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 07:21:50 PM
"Brianversion" <brianguitar@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167017829.315372.268000@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...


Alan Harding wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?


I didn't do Christmas for the past 5 years. Did it tonight. Really was
great. Except for 1 person. And as I was whining about it to my
sister, she said, "There can be 98 people in the room who love you, and
you'll focus on that one that doesn't." Oh, how true.

nobody likes to ***** up, but obsessing about it can make it worse.
.

User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 04:26:37 AM
In message <1167017829.315372.268000@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
Brianversion <brianguitar@gmail.com> writes


Alan Harding wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?


I didn't do Christmas for the past 5 years. Did it tonight. Really was
great. Except for 1 person. And as I was whining about it to my
sister, she said, "There can be 98 people in the room who love you, and
you'll focus on that one that doesn't." Oh, how true.

Always look on the dark side of life <insert inane whistling>.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.
User: "cal"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 07:22:49 PM
"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vBrCbACdd6jFFwyF@harding.demon.co.uk...

In message <1167017829.315372.268000@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
Brianversion <brianguitar@gmail.com> writes


Alan Harding wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?


I didn't do Christmas for the past 5 years. Did it tonight. Really was
great. Except for 1 person. And as I was whining about it to my
sister, she said, "There can be 98 people in the room who love you, and
you'll focus on that one that doesn't." Oh, how true.


Always look on the dark side of life <insert inane whistling>.

i'll be down for christmas
you can count on me...
<croon>
<hum>
.

User: "Brianversion"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 07:55:16 PM
Alan Harding wrote:

In message <1167017829.315372.268000@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
Brianversion <brianguitar@gmail.com> writes


Alan Harding wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?


I didn't do Christmas for the past 5 years. Did it tonight. Really was
great. Except for 1 person. And as I was whining about it to my
sister, she said, "There can be 98 people in the room who love you, and
you'll focus on that one that doesn't." Oh, how true.


Always look on the dark side of life <insert inane whistling>.

Isn't that (kind of) 'the life of brian?'
brian
(alright, who threw that stone...come on..."
"But you said 'Jehovah' "
"Look, no one throws a stone until I say Jehovah"(Pummel, crash, ouch)


--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

.

User: "pinot"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 25 Dec 2006 09:07:30 AM
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:26:37 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Always look on the dark side of life <insert inane whistling>.

This would sound good appended to RT's "Psycho Street" song.
p
.



User: "Hexe"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 27 Dec 2006 03:08:28 AM
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:26:41 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?

because we are bombarded on all sides with everybody else's idea of what
Christmas should be. and the images reach back into the psyche and
tweak memories we don't remember and don't want to remember. we are
left with the disappointments of Christmases past but not what triggered
them.
--
:Hexe
:Thought for the journey:
Amnesia used to be my favorite word, but then I forgot it.
.
User: "Alan Harding"

Title: Re: I don't do Xmas 27 Dec 2006 06:19:57 AM
In message <6kd4p29drnlkfm5dsmcovnthkkj73frvo0@4ax.com>, Hexe
<greywitche@yahoo.com> writes

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:26:41 +0000, Alan Harding
<Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote:

So why am I so fucking down?


because we are bombarded on all sides with everybody else's idea of what
Christmas should be. and the images reach back into the psyche and
tweak memories we don't remember and don't want to remember. we are
left with the disappointments of Christmases past but not what triggered
them.

But I've seen Xmas as a purely commercial phenomenon for decades, and
even if I bought myself a prezzy (CDs) it was something I'd have bought
over the next few months anyway.
No pressure in this household to behave in any particular way, even
Chanukah is a very low key event; I missed it every night, and my wife
forgot the candles as often as not.
Oh, well. It happened.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
.



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