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"wombn" |
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24 Jan 2004 05:10:46 AM |
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I don't get it (politics, Howard Dean) |
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
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24 Jan 2004 07:09:18 AM |
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I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1fk410h663sj8rej9ubchp7n2n6lascu4r@4ax.com...
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
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24 Jan 2004 12:54:00 PM |
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"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message news:<40126e84$0$7344$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1fk410h663sj8rej9ubchp7n2n6lascu4r@4ax.com...
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
I thought his behavior was a little weird.I was a bit
suprised.But I think it was very much exaggerated by the media.I like
John Edwards.I just hope he isn't considered by many people to be too
inexperianced for the job.
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| User: "Clark" |
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25 Jan 2004 11:23:01 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2004 10:54:00 -0800, (alvintchase)
wrote:
"SortaLily" <up.down@near.far> wrote in message news:<40126e84$0$7344$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1fk410h663sj8rej9ubchp7n2n6lascu4r@4ax.com...
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
I thought his behavior was a little weird.I was a bit
suprised.But I think it was very much exaggerated by the media.I like
John Edwards.I just hope he isn't considered by many people to be too
inexperianced for the job.
face it alvin, the only canidate who stands a chance at the president
is Joe leiberman.... and they are too blind to see it... hell even *I*
would take a close look at leiberman, but these other clowns are
losers on the democratic side.... shame really.
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26 Jan 2004 07:05:53 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:23:01 -0600, Clark
<wm-clarkSPAMNOT@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<(((*> face it alvin, the only canidate who stands a chance at the president
<(((*> is Joe leiberman.... and they are too blind to see it... hell even *I*
<(((*> would take a close look at leiberman, but these other clowns are
<(((*> losers on the democratic side.... shame really.
I know, I know. Political threads lead to some pretty vicious
fights in asd. (You should see what they lead to in some of the
other newsgroups. Better yet, you shouldn't.)
But I can't help it, bill. I'm curious as hell to know why you
feel this way about Lieberman. What qualities do you see in him?
(You have my email address, you can email your comments if you
feel more comfortable.)
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "zer0 the her0" |
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26 Jan 2004 07:11:48 PM |
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wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:23:01 -0600, Clark
<wm-clarkSPAMNOT@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<(((*> face it alvin, the only canidate who stands a chance at the president
<(((*> is Joe leiberman.... and they are too blind to see it... hell even *I*
<(((*> would take a close look at leiberman, but these other clowns are
<(((*> losers on the democratic side.... shame really.
I know, I know. Political threads lead to some pretty vicious
fights in asd. (You should see what they lead to in some of the
other newsgroups. Better yet, you shouldn't.)
But I can't help it, bill. I'm curious as hell to know why you
feel this way about Lieberman. What qualities do you see in him?
(You have my email address, you can email your comments if you
feel more comfortable.)
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
why do you give a ***** about my country that you like to bad mouth so
often?
hehehhe
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| User: "Clark" |
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27 Jan 2004 02:09:13 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:11:48 GMT, zer0 the her0
<plazmadroidSPAMICIDE@yahoo.com> wrote:
thehouse@pooh.corner wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:23:01 -0600, Clark
<wm-clarkSPAMNOT@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<(((*> face it alvin, the only canidate who stands a chance at the president
<(((*> is Joe leiberman.... and they are too blind to see it... hell even *I*
<(((*> would take a close look at leiberman, but these other clowns are
<(((*> losers on the democratic side.... shame really.
I know, I know. Political threads lead to some pretty vicious
fights in asd. (You should see what they lead to in some of the
other newsgroups. Better yet, you shouldn't.)
But I can't help it, bill. I'm curious as hell to know why you
feel this way about Lieberman. What qualities do you see in him?
(You have my email address, you can email your comments if you
feel more comfortable.)
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
why do you give a ***** about my country that you like to bad mouth so
often?
hehehhe
because she realizes that what the united states does effects many
different countries, canada and mexico a bit more than others
becauseof the border situation. she is intelligent enough to know
that the US can, if it wants to, do whatever it wants and we in the
united states have to be careful who we elect, not only to the
presidency, but also to our congress. she does not bad mouth the US
very much in my opinion as she does the policies that come from our
government that effect canada as well as many other countries. she is
very intelligent in my opinion and i respect her opinions, although we
do not agree too often with each other.
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| User: "zer0 the her0" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:24:20 AM |
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Clark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:11:48 GMT, zer0 the her0
<plazmadroidSPAMICIDE@yahoo.com> wrote:
thehouse@pooh.corner wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:23:01 -0600, Clark
<wm-clarkSPAMNOT@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<(((*> face it alvin, the only canidate who stands a chance at the president
<(((*> is Joe leiberman.... and they are too blind to see it... hell even *I*
<(((*> would take a close look at leiberman, but these other clowns are
<(((*> losers on the democratic side.... shame really.
I know, I know. Political threads lead to some pretty vicious
fights in asd. (You should see what they lead to in some of the
other newsgroups. Better yet, you shouldn't.)
But I can't help it, bill. I'm curious as hell to know why you
feel this way about Lieberman. What qualities do you see in him?
(You have my email address, you can email your comments if you
feel more comfortable.)
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
why do you give a ***** about my country that you like to bad mouth so
often?
hehehhe
because she realizes that what the united states does effects many
different countries, canada and mexico a bit more than others
becauseof the border situation. she is intelligent enough to know
that the US can, if it wants to, do whatever it wants and we in the
united states have to be careful who we elect, not only to the
presidency, but also to our congress. she does not bad mouth the US
very much in my opinion as she does the policies that come from our
government that effect canada as well as many other countries. she is
very intelligent in my opinion and i respect her opinions, although we
do not agree too often with each other.
she aint intelligent....
ive reviewed her posts....
rianonon is an ignorant *****, who likes to reply to flame wars...
nothing more...
all that dizzy broad needs to know is that the USA is in charge..and she
should bow to all americans and thier greatness.
with out us, shed be dead! as with most of you pathetic fucks who whine
about the US.
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27 Jan 2004 06:35:06 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:09:13 -0600, Clark
<wm-clarkSPAMNOT@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<(((*> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:11:48 GMT, zer0 the her0
<(((*> <plazmadroidSPERMICIDE@yahoo.com> wrote:
<(((*> >why do you give a ***** about my country that you like to bad mouth so
<(((*> >often?
<(((*> >
<(((*> >hehehhe
<(((*>
<(((*> because she realizes that what the united states does effects many
<(((*> different countries, canada and mexico a bit more than others
<(((*> becauseof the border situation. she is intelligent enough to know
<(((*> that the US can, if it wants to, do whatever it wants and we in the
<(((*> united states have to be careful who we elect, not only to the
<(((*> presidency, but also to our congress. she does not bad mouth the US
<(((*> very much in my opinion as she does the policies that come from our
<(((*> government that effect canada as well as many other countries. she is
<(((*> very intelligent in my opinion and i respect her opinions, although we
<(((*> do not agree too often with each other.
Thanks, bill. Some of you here know that I did go to school in
the US for a couple of years, and I have a great deal of respect
for the principles on which the US was founded.
I think I would have more respect for US foreign policy if I
perceived that it focused more on encouraging other countries to
adopt those principles and less on maintaining the preeminence of
the US economy.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| User: "Clark" |
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27 Jan 2004 02:05:02 AM |
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well, Tara, you know I am pretty much right leaning, and leiberman
comes off as honest in his centrist views. ordinarily, democrats,
during the primaries, try to show that they can be liberal. not
leiberman. he doesn't back down from why he voted to give the
president power to take action in iraq, and he doesn't back down for
why he voted for the extra funding for it. i feel like he has the best
foreign policy mind of all the dems and his domestic stands, while a
little liberal for my taste, are tolerable. Right now there is no
doubt i would vote to re-elect the president, but if leiberman were on
the other side, i would most certainly take what he says more
seriously and uncer greater consideration than any of the others.
Kerry,,, flip flopper on his votes on foreign policy... war hero stuff
is deep bakground.
Clark,,, i dont think he really KNOWS what a democrat is or what he is
suppose to stand for... seems to learn a new stand every day.
Dean,,, no foreign policy experience at all... and foreign policy is
what we need from a president right now.
Edwards,,, little more experience than clark and dean... i think in
time when he gets his philosophy totally put together, he could be a
leading democrat.
Kucinich... wacko
sharpton... wacko
anyway, that is the basic reasons why i would take a serious look at
leiberman, and also why i think he has the best chance of any of the
dems of knocking the president out of a second term.
take care my friend.
Bill
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:05:53 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:23:01 -0600, Clark
<wm-clarkSPAMNOT@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I know, I know. Political threads lead to some pretty vicious
fights in asd. (You should see what they lead to in some of the
other newsgroups. Better yet, you shouldn't.)
But I can't help it, bill. I'm curious as hell to know why you
feel this way about Lieberman. What qualities do you see in him?
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| User: "zer0 the her0" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:25:33 AM |
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Clark wrote:
well, Tara, you know I am pretty much right leaning, and leiberman
comes off as honest in his centrist views. ordinarily, democrats,
during the primaries, try to show that they can be liberal. not
leiberman. he doesn't back down from why he voted to give the
president power to take action in iraq, and he doesn't back down for
why he voted for the extra funding for it. i feel like he has the best
foreign policy mind of all the dems and his domestic stands, while a
little liberal for my taste, are tolerable. Right now there is no
doubt i would vote to re-elect the president, but if leiberman were on
the other side, i would most certainly take what he says more
seriously and uncer greater consideration than any of the others.
Kerry,,, flip flopper on his votes on foreign policy... war hero stuff
is deep bakground.
Clark,,, i dont think he really KNOWS what a democrat is or what he is
suppose to stand for... seems to learn a new stand every day.
Dean,,, no foreign policy experience at all... and foreign policy is
what we need from a president right now.
Edwards,,, little more experience than clark and dean... i think in
time when he gets his philosophy totally put together, he could be a
leading democrat.
Kucinich... wacko
sharpton... wacko
anyway, that is the basic reasons why i would take a serious look at
leiberman, and also why i think he has the best chance of any of the
dems of knocking the president out of a second term.
take care my friend.
Bill
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:05:53 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:23:01 -0600, Clark
<wm-clarkSPAMNOT@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I know, I know. Political threads lead to some pretty vicious
fights in asd. (You should see what they lead to in some of the
other newsgroups. Better yet, you shouldn't.)
But I can't help it, bill. I'm curious as hell to know why you
feel this way about Lieberman. What qualities do you see in him?
inform yourself, you obviously havent...
clark. another self diagnosed intellect..
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| User: "Mike Walton" |
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26 Jan 2004 07:37:49 AM |
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What kind of an idiot do you have to be, to support this man?
http://www.geocities.com/bobeshope/howard.htm
and this is before the HOWL !
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24 Jan 2004 09:14:27 AM |
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Subject: Re: I don't get it (politics, Howard Dean)
From: "SortaLily"
Date: 1/24/2004 5:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <40126e84$0$7344$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>
I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
It bugs the hell out of me that his brother was so stupid as to think he could
backpack in the Mekong Delta in 1974. Did he think he cd flash these people the
peace sign, say he was against the war and everything wd be a-okay?? I mean
really, how could anyone be that naive???
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| User: "wombn" |
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24 Jan 2004 03:49:53 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2004 15:14:27 GMT, (Deminimii) wrote:
Subject: Re: I don't get it (politics, Howard Dean)
From: "SortaLily"
Date: 1/24/2004 5:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <40126e84$0$7344$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>
I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
It bugs the hell out of me that his brother was so stupid as to think he could
backpack in the Mekong Delta in 1974. Did he think he cd flash these people the
peace sign, say he was against the war and everything wd be a-okay?? I mean
really, how could anyone be that naive???
nod! like that reporter dude a couple years back (I forget his name)
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| User: "Deminimii" |
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24 Jan 2004 05:36:30 PM |
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Subject: Re: I don't get it (politics, Howard Dean)
From: wombn
Date: 1/24/2004 1:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <a3q51017o0pmmirv93uof76340ip0qt4f1@4ax.com>
On 24 Jan 2004 15:14:27 GMT, (Deminimii) wrote:
Subject: Re: I don't get it (politics, Howard Dean)
From: "SortaLily"
Date: 1/24/2004 5:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <40126e84$0$7344$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>
I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
It bugs the hell out of me that his brother was so stupid as to think he
could
backpack in the Mekong Delta in 1974. Did he think he cd flash these people
the
peace sign, say he was against the war and everything wd be a-okay?? I mean
really, how could anyone be that naive???
nod! like that reporter dude a couple years back (I forget his name)
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Reporter dude??! You mean Daniel Pearl? At first I thought, was the level of
risk comprable? It seemed like SE Asia in the 70's was more dangerous. Then I
started remembering all the crazy stuff that happened in Lebannon in the 80's
when they were kidnapping people right and left. In a strange way, I feel
somewhat desenstitize to all the recent danger. I guess one can get use to
anything. So, yeah, arranging a meeting with a terrorist in Pakistan 2002 was
way up there on the naivete/stupidity scale. I do think when you have a child
soon to be born you have a duty to not get decapitated. Then there was that
french ahole who wrote that ridiculous book on Pearl. One of many ridiculous
french books these days. Boy, that whole country needs to be slapped along side
of the head.
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| User: "wombn" |
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25 Jan 2004 12:01:48 AM |
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On 24 Jan 2004 23:36:30 GMT, (Deminimii) wrote:
Subject: Re: I don't get it (politics, Howard Dean)
From: wombn
Date: 1/24/2004 1:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <a3q51017o0pmmirv93uof76340ip0qt4f1@4ax.com>
On 24 Jan 2004 15:14:27 GMT, (Deminimii) wrote:
Subject: Re: I don't get it (politics, Howard Dean)
From: "SortaLily"
Date: 1/24/2004 5:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <40126e84$0$7344$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>
I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
It bugs the hell out of me that his brother was so stupid as to think he
could
backpack in the Mekong Delta in 1974. Did he think he cd flash these people
the
peace sign, say he was against the war and everything wd be a-okay?? I mean
really, how could anyone be that naive???
nod! like that reporter dude a couple years back (I forget his name)
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Reporter dude??! You mean Daniel Pearl?
ah. yes. That's him.
At first I thought, was the level of
risk comprable? It seemed like SE Asia in the 70's was more dangerous. Then I
started remembering all the crazy stuff that happened in Lebannon in the 80's
when they were kidnapping people right and left. In a strange way, I feel
somewhat desenstitize to all the recent danger.
I think I am too.
I guess one can get use to
anything. So, yeah, arranging a meeting with a terrorist in Pakistan 2002 was
way up there on the naivete/stupidity scale. I do think when you have a child
soon to be born you have a duty to not get decapitated.
Amen!
Then there was that
french ahole who wrote that ridiculous book on Pearl. One of many ridiculous
french books these days. Boy, that whole country needs to be slapped along side
of the head.
agreed!
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24 Jan 2004 12:59:10 PM |
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SortaLily wrote:
I don't know what is about him .. but he gives me the 'willies' .. I just
don't like him.
He has shifty eyes. Then again, Leiberman has too many teeth in his mouth,
Kerry's head is too big, and Clack always has a deer caught in the
headlights look. We've just got a funny looking crop of democrats this
year.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are
to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt
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24 Jan 2004 02:05:13 PM |
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It confirms feelings people hold just below their awareness.
Dean is a dangerous person who reacts first and thinks later. He has said
that he leads with his heart first and his head second. This could be a
good thing in a companion, but in a leader it is a disaster. He is very
smart, so his instincts have usually served him well, but it is fairly
arrogant to believe that your heart is a better judge of public policy than
the collected wisdom of people who have devoted their lives to it.
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E Sempre l'Ora
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1fk410h663sj8rej9ubchp7n2n6lascu4r@4ax.com...
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
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| User: "Criswell The Psychic Weatherman" |
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27 Jan 2004 04:31:23 PM |
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Hap Arnold wrote:
It confirms feelings people hold just below their awareness.
Dean is a dangerous person who reacts first and thinks later. He has said
that he leads with his heart first and his head second. This could be a
good thing in a companion, but in a leader it is a disaster. He is very
smart, so his instincts have usually served him well, but it is fairly
arrogant to believe that your heart is a better judge of public policy than
the collected wisdom of people who have devoted their lives to it.
If Dean was being serious with John Stewart, he said he [Dean] is also a medical
doctor.
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1fk410h663sj8rej9ubchp7n2n6lascu4r@4ax.com...
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
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ssenate@mindless.com
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27 Jan 2004 11:37:54 PM |
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According to the media, Howard Dean is the epitome of the Democratic
activist -he has mobilized the peace movement and he has single-handedly
managed to control the Internet -a delusion which is extremely serious,
compared to past efforts to ridicule a Democrat through the silly suggestion
that Al Gore invented the Internet. Howard Dean's media profile is an
absolute joke and it is safe to say that the only thing that his "peace
activist" Internet savvy profile inspires --on the count of three now --one,
two three...gag!
Reality:
Howard Dean is the biggest con artist in American history since Richard
Nixon. He has promised to take the government out of the hands of special
interest groups and give it back to ordinary voters, yet Howard Dean has
also indicated that it is futile to try to reform the health care system
because Congress will not let him do it. Anybody who takes this idiot
seriously should be in therapy. Clearly, if Howard Dean cannot even reform
the health care system what makes him think that he is in a position to take
the government out of the hands of special interest groups? Perhaps, Howard
Dean ought to define what he means by special interest groups because if he
continues to dole out silly rhetoric through both sides of the mouth, George
Bush will ask him to be his running mate, and ***** Cheney will finally be
able to retire.
First and foremost, the notion that Howard Dean is a peace activist is
absolutely fraudulent. To be sure, Howard Dean publicly opposed attacking
Iraq to set him apart from fellow Democratic, but this feigned opposition
has been repeatedly contradicted by the war hawk that Dean has conveniently
repressed, for the sake of political expediency. Despite the popular
misrepresentation that Howard Dean is a peace activist who opposes war, Dean
even endorsed the Bush doctrine of preemptive war, saying that he would not
rule out using military force to disarm either North Korea or Iran, and that
makes him the biggest warmonger of all. In fact, Howard Dean is as crafty as
Richard Nixon was. Have all the so called, peace activists forgotten Richard
Nixon, the crafty warmonger who wrote The Real Peace to claim John Lennon's
"constituency" after he was assassinated. To be sure, Lennon was not even an
American, but he was the face of the peace movement, and Richard Nixon, the
former master of the hostile takeover, believed that real peace was about
waging and winning wars.
If you are a peace activist and you think that Howard Dean is your man,
watch your back. Like Nixon before him, Howard Dean understands the
distraction that peace advocates can potentially impose, and he thinks he
has discovered a way to hijack their political influence. In particular,
Senator John Kerry is the Democrat with a balanced view about war and peace,
and Howard Dean's effort to create the impression that he is in fact the
architect of the real peace reflects the very same, manifest delusion that
preoccupied Richard Nixon. If you want to know who the real Howard Dean is,
you have to compare his record to that of John Kerry, and then you will
clearly understand the difference between a Democrat and a crafty, political
opportunist.
Who is the real, Howard Dean? The real Howard Dean is best understood
through his regressive and draconian view of the criminal justice system. As
Governor, he underfunded public defense, and poured money into state's
attorneys, police, and corrections. Dean managed to fill the prisons, not
because crime increased, but because the public was treated like it was
always wrong and the state was always right. Howard Dean is one of those
arrogant extremists who thinks that he has the right to be judge, jury and
executioner, and the climate he creates is best described by famed Attorney,
Gerry Spense, who speaks from experience when he says;
"There is a presumption of innocence, not a presumption of guilt, and
everybody in this country has lost his presumption of innocence and goes
into the courtroom, presumed guilty. People who do not have first hand
experience with the justice system might be surprised to note that the
problem appears to be so widespread that anybody who is oblivious to the
fact that miscarriages of justice are very common, is promoting the myth
rather than the reality. The average American in this country cannot get a
fair trial. Ninety-seven per cent of the people charged eventually get
convicted --now that is a frightening statistic. And I will tell you that a
fair trial in this country is the biggest myth that's been laid out on the
American people since the beginning of time."
Howard Dean espouses the philosophy that the government is always right and
ordinary people are always wrong and he is so extreme that he even thinks
that George Bush is a moderate. To use own words, Howard Dean said that, "in
his soul" Bush is a moderate, and that is not at all surprising, because "in
his soul" Howard Dean is John Ashcroft.
Clearly, the campaign of this would-be tyrant who thinks that he is entitled
to control the Democratic Party because the Internet can easily be used to
launder the money of special interest groups, has peaked and is about to
crash. The Iowa caucus is just one week away, and although the conventional
wisdom claims that Howard Dean is still the front-runner, it is only a
matter of time...
Indeed, Howard Dean does not have very much to say lately because he is too
busy trying to deflect one gaffe after another, and the temper of this
wanabe dictator is beginning to show. "I'm a little tired of the 'gotcha'
politics of this campaign," Dean fumed on CNN as his campaign went into full
defense mode, and this is just the beginning. If he is tired now, how does
he expect to survive a race against George Bush? Needless to say, when the
Democrats discover the real Howard Dean, he will not have to, because John
Kerry and John Edwards will re-inherit the votes that belong to them.
As Governor, Howard Dean endorsed the National Governors Association policy
opposing the Kyoto Protocol and recommending that the United States "not
sign or ratify any agreement that would result in serious harm to the US
economy." For environmentalists, EP, under Dean's leadership, came to mean
"Expedite Permits", rather than Environmental Protection and business
leaders were impressed with the way Dean went to bat for them against
Vermont's stringent environmental regulations. Why is Al Gore supporting
this guy?
Dean is supposed to be so popular that he has allegedly raised over $40
million, and the average donation, it is frequently pointed out, is well
under $100. The zeal to create the impression that everybody except Howard
Dean is influenced by special interests, is absolutely preposterous. Special
interest groups are not morons, they use the Internet to direct money to the
candidate of their choice, and they are better at it than anybody else
because they let their money do all the talking. The claim that the people
who are funding Dean's campaign do not expect anything in return, is an
obscene fraud. Howard Dean's entire campaign is based on well orchestrated
lies, distortions and deceptions and they are clearly too deliberate to fail
to betray the pattern and the conduct of lobbyists who spend millions of
dollars, to distort the truth. The claim that Howard Dean's campaign is
driven by grass-root supporters is clearly a desperate fraud, and the
exuberant enthusiasm of those who have taken the bait, is based on the
failure to recognize the real Howard Dean.
According to popular misconception, Howard Dean has used the Internet to
prove that the Republican and Democratic parties are no longer the most
effective ways to organize like-minded people to achieve political ends.
Clearly, the suggestion that Howard Dean has single-handedly upstaged the
Democratic Party is the wet dream of crafty political operatives who have
generated the perception that Howard Dean is essentially a third-party
candidate who has used Internet technology to achieve a takeover of the
Democratic Party. But perception is not reality. Like Richard Nixon, who
collected million dollar, cash donations in brown paper bags to bribe
eyewitnesses who were in a position to expose corruption, Howard Dean should
not brag about the size of his war chest, because if all of his fans are
correct, then the Internet has the power to take away that which it has so
generously granted --the false perception that Howard Dean is John Kerry and
John Edwards, rolled into a single candidate. Howard Dean claims that he is
the only distinct candidate when John Edwards is the only Democratic
candidate who has not spend his entire adult life in politics and John Kerry
is the Democrat with the progressive record that Howard Dean is trying to
hijack, through his so called ability to upstage the Democratic party.
The media loves to promote the wonderful delusion that Howard Dean has used
the Internet to create his own party, his own hierarchy, his own lists, his
own money, and his own organization, but that does not make any sense at
all, Indeed, if that were true, Howard Dean would not even need the
Democratic Party, he could simply use all his so called Internet resources
to run as an Independent.
Howard Dean is on his way out because he has used the resume of Senator John
Kerry to create the false perception that he deserves to be the Democratic
front-runner, and that is clearly counterproductive because a hostile
takeover demands more complicity than Howard Dean has managed to secure.
Gore and Bradley are not enough.
Make no mistake about it, the Internet is not Dr. Frankenstein. The
Republican and the Democratic parties still dominate and the Internet is
merely the docile recipient of Republican and Democratic resources. If the
Republicans, who are always obsessed by the effort to control the media,
think that Dean's hostile takeover of the Democratic party will enhance
George Bush's re-election prospects, they are correct. If they have filled
Dean's head with the fantasy that he can use the Internet to subvert the
will of the entire Democratic party, the arrogance is understood. But a
democracy is not about creating your own party, it's about joining or
leading the party, and Howard Dean is not even a player, in either capacity.
While governor of Vermont, Howard Dean accepted personal pay from special
interests at least five times for speeches and also received at least
$60,000 in checks and pledges from insurers who benefited from a state tax
break,
In 1993, the two insurers sent the governor a gift, described only as a
"package" after Dean met with them to discuss a bill that would provide new
tax breaks and Dean signed the bill into law later that year. Is this the
guy who uses the Internet, to by-pass special interest groups, or are
special interest groups financing dean's campaign?
Despite the fact that Howard Dean spent 2 years trying to manipulate the
people of Iowa, the Des Moines Register endorsed John Edwards and three
other Iowa newspapers endorsed Massachusetts Senator John Kerry. Al Gore was
successfully conned into thinking that Howard Dean is a Democrat like John
Kerry and John Edwards, but the people of Iowa appreciate the difference.
http://reelnews.4t.com/election2004.htm
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That's just way too freaking long to read.
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28 Jan 2004 07:29:05 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:17:32 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
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That's just way too freaking long to read.
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and besides, it slams Nixon...
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30 Jan 2004 02:31:40 PM |
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in
news:713f10904bskaggd0givnpuq2jhrsh7nv1@4ax.com:
That's just way too freaking long to read.
<snipped the whole thing>
It was a pretty good read though.
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31 Jan 2004 01:02:58 AM |
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On 30 Jan 2004 20:31:40 GMT, old coyote <the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com>
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in
news:713f10904bskaggd0givnpuq2jhrsh7nv1@4ax.com:
That's just way too freaking long to read.
<snipped the whole thing>
It was a pretty good read though.
I can only handle one small paragraph at a time these day.
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31 Jan 2004 04:21:33 PM |
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in
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On 30 Jan 2004 20:31:40 GMT, old coyote <the_oldcoyote@yahoo.com>
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in
news:713f10904bskaggd0givnpuq2jhrsh7nv1@4ax.com:
That's just way too freaking long to read.
<snipped the whole thing>
It was a pretty good read though.
I can only handle one small paragraph at a time these day.
I know the feeling all too well. I have no attention span.
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24 Jan 2004 05:33:07 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:10:46 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
I don't either, it sorta reminded me of Steve Balmer's performance at
a Microsoft rally a few years ago. Only Balmer is much better at it.
Alot of it is generational, the old farts are shocked and get
confused, while younger people tend to view it as enthusiasm.
I don't know why you would ever elect someone who is calm and
collected, they will never accomplish anything, but that's another
thing I'v noticed about older people (asians as well surprisingly)
they are more concerned about the group dynamics, appearances,
everything that doesn't matter, rather than hard accomplishments.
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24 Jan 2004 05:57:25 PM |
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Joe User wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:10:46 GMT, wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net>
wrote:
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
I don't either, it sorta reminded me of Steve Balmer's performance at
a Microsoft rally a few years ago. Only Balmer is much better at it.
Alot of it is generational, the old farts are shocked and get
confused, while younger people tend to view it as enthusiasm.
I don't know why you would ever elect someone who is calm and
collected, they will never accomplish anything, but that's another
thing I'v noticed about older people (asians as well surprisingly)
they are more concerned about the group dynamics, appearances,
everything that doesn't matter, rather than hard accomplishments.
I thought you would admire what the Japanese were able to accomplish:
Unit 731, Bataan, et. al. Lots of bashed in heads, they were gods for a
brief moment in time.
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24 Jan 2004 11:01:35 AM |
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was unusual at first but now senses are overloaded from all the replays.
not so unusual now.
"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1fk410h663sj8rej9ubchp7n2n6lascu4r@4ax.com...
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
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24 Jan 2004 12:33:26 PM |
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A guy writing in Slate said he was there and didn't even notice that moment and
that the effect was exaggerated on TV. On the other hand, my boyfriend heard it
on the radio and was very taken aback by it.
Naomi D.
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24 Jan 2004 06:34:04 PM |
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> spake thusly:
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
It would have been funny if it hadn't been so scary. I thought he was gonna
blow a gasket or go postal there for a couple of minutes. Definitely not
the kind of temperment I want with its finger on the so-called 'button'. I
have anger issues and in the past they have been a lot worse than they are
now but I can still see a lot of me in his actions that night. I think he's
got some issues that need some work. What if he becomes president and gets
ticked off at China like he got ticked off at Iowa? Scary thought.
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25 Jan 2004 12:02:49 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:34:04 -0700, "Indigo Moon Man"
<indigomoon@bonbon.net> wrote:
wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> spake thusly:
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
It would have been funny if it hadn't been so scary. I thought he was gonna
blow a gasket or go postal there for a couple of minutes. Definitely not
the kind of temperment I want with its finger on the so-called 'button'. I
have anger issues and in the past they have been a lot worse than they are
now but I can still see a lot of me in his actions that night.
hmmmm interesting. Hadn't thought of it that way.
I think he's
got some issues that need some work. What if he becomes president and gets
ticked off at China like he got ticked off at Iowa? Scary thought.
And people thought Bush moved too fast.....
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24 Jan 2004 05:42:26 PM |
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wombn <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1fk410h663sj8rej9ubchp7n2n6lascu4r@4ax.com:
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
<shrug>
I just don't get it.
The issue seems to be that he did it in front of the cameras. He wasn't
just addressing his supporters, he was addressing The Nation. And that just
wasn't a presidential (candidate) way of addressing the nation.
I agree though. It's idiotic. It's the classic "I do what you do but you
just got caught doing it so you're a bad man" stuff we always see from
politicians. Kill the whole lot of them, I say.
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24 Jan 2004 05:39:12 AM |
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"wombn" <wombnhearmeroar@comcast.net> wrote:
Why is everyone making such a big deal over that hooting in Iowa??
1) He was rallying the troops
2) He had "campaign voice" (on the verge of losing his voice)
I don't like him, but it's not because of his campaign rantings,
ravings or hootin' & hollerin. They *all* do that. His voice just
happened to break in the middle of it.
Its the election campaign. Anything which remotely looks
similar to dirt or mud will get thrown around in mass quantities.
People who already dislike Dean will not like him any better
after that speech. Thus, that speech can and will be exploited in the
mud slinging contest, just as his four year old statement
about caucuses was, or Bush's three 1970s violations of law were.
Thomas
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