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"lisa in mass." |
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19 Apr 2007 08:10:29 PM |
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I don't want to go |
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is that?
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19 Apr 2007 08:20:57 PM |
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"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is that?
I find it very coherent. And if it is stupid, enjoy the cheese anyway.
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19 Apr 2007 08:23:26 PM |
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Teilhard Knight wrote...
"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
I find it very coherent. And if it is stupid, enjoy the
cheese anyway.
I will.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:06:32 PM |
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In message <Xns9917D75EB6BA6mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in mass.
<mccats@rcn.com> writes
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is that?
What have you got to go? Anything special?
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The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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20 Apr 2007 02:29:49 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917D75EB6BA6mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
What have you got to go? Anything special?
It's close to hospital time. And I don't wanna.
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| User: "%" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:30:25 PM |
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"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917D75EB6BA6mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
What have you got to go? Anything special?
It's close to hospital time. And I don't wanna.
then don't
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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20 Apr 2007 02:36:40 PM |
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% wrote...
"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917D75EB6BA6mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
What have you got to go? Anything special?
It's close to hospital time. And I don't wanna.
then don't
So far, I'm not. If I have to, I will even if I don't want to.
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| User: "" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:35:17 PM |
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On Apr 20, 12:29 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:
Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917D75EB6BA6mccatsjavanet...@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> writes
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
What have you got to go? Anything special?
It's close to hospital time. And I don't wanna.
Hi Lisa! How are you?
Rose
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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20 Apr 2007 02:37:43 PM |
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wrote...
On Apr 20, 12:29 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:
Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917D75EB6BA6mccatsjavanet...@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> writes
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
What have you got to go? Anything special?
It's close to hospital time. And I don't wanna.
Hi Lisa! How are you?
Rose
Long, hard day so far. I'm probably going to take a nap soon,
since I only slept a few broken hours last night.
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| User: "" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:44:20 PM |
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On Apr 20, 12:37 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:
wrote...
On Apr 20, 12:29 pm, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:
Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917D75EB6BA6mccatsjavanet...@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mcc...@rcn.com> writes
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
What have you got to go? Anything special?
It's close to hospital time. And I don't wanna.
Hi Lisa! How are you?
Rose
Long, hard day so far. I'm probably going to take a nap soon,
since I only slept a few broken hours last night.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Naps break up the day if it's a bad one for me. Hope it helps. I'm
leaving soon for doctor's appt. Get some rest.
Rose
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| User: "Bacon" |
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19 Apr 2007 08:57:19 PM |
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On 20 Apr 2007 01:10:29 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is that?
that sounds very rational to me actually, what kind of cheese and are
there crackers?
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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19 Apr 2007 09:30:23 PM |
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Bacon wrote...
On 20 Apr 2007 01:10:29 GMT, "lisa in mass."
<mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
that sounds very rational to me actually, what kind of
cheese and are there crackers?
There's an Irish cheddar, a havarti with dill, a good gruyere.
Stoned Wheat Thin crackers.
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| User: "%" |
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19 Apr 2007 09:35:16 PM |
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"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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Bacon wrote...
On 20 Apr 2007 01:10:29 GMT, "lisa in mass."
<mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
that sounds very rational to me actually, what kind of
cheese and are there crackers?
There's an Irish cheddar, a havarti with dill, a good gruyere.
Stoned Wheat Thin crackers.
what state did you have to travel to to buy all that
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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19 Apr 2007 09:37:05 PM |
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% wrote...
"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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Bacon wrote...
On 20 Apr 2007 01:10:29 GMT, "lisa in mass."
<mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid
is that?
that sounds very rational to me actually, what kind of
cheese and are there crackers?
There's an Irish cheddar, a havarti with dill, a good
gruyere. Stoned Wheat Thin crackers.
what state did you have to travel to to buy all that
A supermarket in Amherst.
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| User: "%" |
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19 Apr 2007 09:38:52 PM |
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"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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% wrote...
"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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Bacon wrote...
On 20 Apr 2007 01:10:29 GMT, "lisa in mass."
<mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid
is that?
that sounds very rational to me actually, what kind of
cheese and are there crackers?
There's an Irish cheddar, a havarti with dill, a good
gruyere. Stoned Wheat Thin crackers.
what state did you have to travel to to buy all that
A supermarket in Amherst.
oh , i didn't think they had food where you live
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| User: "Bacon" |
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19 Apr 2007 09:40:15 PM |
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On 20 Apr 2007 02:30:23 GMT, "lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
Bacon wrote...
On 20 Apr 2007 01:10:29 GMT, "lisa in mass."
<mccats@rcn.com> wrote:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
that sounds very rational to me actually, what kind of
cheese and are there crackers?
There's an Irish cheddar, a havarti with dill, a good gruyere.
Stoned Wheat Thin crackers.
that sounds really good...now i'm hungry
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| User: "BoredToTears" |
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19 Apr 2007 08:17:02 PM |
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On 20 Apr, 02:10, "lisa in mass." <mcc...@rcn.com> wrote:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is that?
;o)
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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20 Apr 2007 01:28:55 AM |
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On 4/19/07 7:10 PM, lisa in mass. was all like:
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is that?
Cheese is portable
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| User: "slunky" |
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19 Apr 2007 09:03:49 PM |
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_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is that?
I just realized where you're talking about I think. I say, eat the
cheese up. Soon enough you'll be on Parnate, and cheese won't be an
option.
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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19 Apr 2007 09:31:18 PM |
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slunky wrote...
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
I just realized where you're talking about I think. I say,
eat the cheese up. Soon enough you'll be on Parnate, and
cheese won't be an option.
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his birthday
dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I can eat on
Parnate.
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| User: "%" |
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19 Apr 2007 09:37:36 PM |
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"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
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slunky wrote...
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid is
that?
I just realized where you're talking about I think. I say,
eat the cheese up. Soon enough you'll be on Parnate, and
cheese won't be an option.
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his birthday
dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I can eat on
Parnate.
Walker, Scott E. MScPhm. Shulman, Kenneth I. MD, SM, FRCP(C).
Tailor, Sandra A.N. PharmD. Gardner, David BScPhm. Tyramine Content of
Previously Restricted Foods in Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor Diets.
Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology. 16(5):383-388, October 1996"
"It has been clearly demonstrated that individuals who are taking
MAOIs are more sensitive to the pressor effects of tyramine. [15] A
critical issue in dietary restriction relates to the amount of tyramine
that will produce an increase in blood pressure. Both Blackwell and
Mabbitt [16] as well as Horowitz and associates [17] have observed
increases in blood pressure with the ingestion of only 6 mg of tyramine.
However, Blackwell and Mabbitt [16] were unable to reproduce these
results on rechallenge with 6 mg in the same subject. Bieck and Antonin
[15] demonstrated that an 8-mg oral dose of tyramine is sufficient to
increase systolic pressure by 30 mm Hg in 50% of subjects receiving
tranylcypromine. However, they also demonstrated a wide intra-individual
variation in responses in some patients that may be due to variability
in both the rate and extent of absorption. Furthermore, many foods have
been reported to contain variable amounts of other pressor agents
[18-21] that may also increase blood pressure, possibly contributing to
variable response. [15,16] Therefore, we have used a conservative upper
limit of 6 mg of tyramine as a guideline for safe ingestion. This is
identical to the limit that we have used previously. [7,8,11]
Chianti
In this study, we again analyzed an Italian Chianti wine and found
no tyramine. This is in agreement with the low or negligible levels
reported by others. [8,13] Chianti wine has been widely restricted for
many years based on a single report of a tyramine concentration of 25.4
mg/liter. [17] However, case reports of hypertensive crises associated
with this or other wines are lacking.
It is of interest to note that in our assay, if we eliminate sodium
lauryl sulfate (which acts as a counter ion) from our mobile phase, a
compound in Chianti wine coelutes with tyramine. Liquid chromatographic
columns can separate this coeluting peak with varying degrees of
success. Therefore, it seems possible that the long-standing restriction
of Chianti wine may have been due to analytical interference that led to
an overestimation of the tyramine content. This points out the need to
carefully validate the analytical method before reporting tyramine
concentrations.
Cheese
By far, most reported fatal and nonfatal MAOI-related hypertensive
reactions have been associated with the ingestion of cheese. [8] The
restriction of all aged cheeses is universally accepted. However, not
all cheeses should be banned. In this study, we analyzed mozzarella
cheese and found extremely low amounts (0.01 mg/g), even when stored at
room temperature for 5 days. The content of this part-skim mozzarella
cheese is much lower than the 0.16 mg/g observed in our previous report
of mozzarella cheese (28% milk fat). [8] Nevertheless, both
concentrations would be regarded as safe when less than 30 g of cheese
is ingested. Furthermore, the tyramine content provided in the current
report is similar to the low concentrations reported for other mild and
fresh varieties of cheeses such as cottage cheese, cream cheese,
ricotta, and processed cheeses. [8,19,13,16] In this study, we also
analyzed the tyramine content of the packaged cheese powder found in a
Kraft Macaroni & Cheese Dinner (Kraft Foods, Inc., Glenview, IL) and
found no tyramine.
Beer
In this study, we analyzed only one beer, a bottled German beer
(Beck's, Brauerei Beck & Co., Bremen, Germany) and found it to contain
small amounts of tyramine (1.0 mg/liter). This is in agreement with the
results of the analysis of other bottled beers analyzed by our group
[8,11] and others. [17,22,23] However, we have previously reported
alarmingly high tyramine concentrations of tyramine (27.05-112.91
mg/liter) in four tap beers [11] and suggest that storage and
contamination of the hose from the keg to the tap may provide conditions
conducive to the production of tyramine. We recommend that tap beers be
avoided by patients who are taking MAOIs, and because no bottled or
canned beers from North American breweries have been identified as
containing dangerous amounts of tyramine, we acknowledge that these can
be consumed in moderation.
Bananas
A number of investigators have reported that banana pulp is safe,
[8,24] although the peel has been observed to contain moderate to high
amounts of several vasoactive substances, including serotonin, dopamine,
and noradrenaline in addition to tyramine. [25] In this study, we
observed the skin of a blackened banana to contain 2.58 mg of tyramine,
whereas the pulp of each of two blackened bananas contained less than
half this amount. Both of these bananas had been stored at room
temperature for more than 1 week beyond the time when they were a
ripened yellow. In our previous study, the tyramine content of a fresh
banana was below the limit of detection and one whole peel was observed
to have 1.42 mg of tyramine. [8] Although the tyramine content does
appear to have increased with storage, this could easily be due to the
variability in content between bananas. Furthermore, the bananas tested
in this study, even after prolonged storage, did not contain dangerous
amounts of tyramine. Therefore, we conclude that the pulp of an overripe
banana is safe.
Raspberries
Coffin [24] reported that raspberries contain 0.048 mg/g of tyramine
(range: 0.013-0.093 mg/g). Our own analysis of raspberries with
different presentations (e.g., stored at room temperature or
refrigerated for 4 days, with or without mold, in jam, and frozen)
yielded tyramine concentrations ranging from 0 to 0.001 mg/g for berries
and 0.021 mg/g for a frozen berry product. Based on our results and
those of Coffin as well as the observation that there are no reports
linking raspberries to hypertensive episodes, we conclude that
raspberries are safe.
Prepared and sliced meat products
Fresh, sliced cold meat and other meat products were analyzed in
this study and generally found to contain low amounts of tyramine per
30-g serving. This is in agreement with our previous report. [8] We also
chose to analyze some canned meat and pasta products (Chef Boyardee,
American Home Products, Inc., Madison, NJ) and found them to contain
safe amounts of tyramine per serving.
The freshness of meat, specifically chicken livers, has been
identified as a factor affecting the amount of tyramine. [26] In this
study, we observed fresh chicken liver to contain very small amounts of
tyramine. However, after 9 days' storage at room temperature, the
tyramine content had soared to 2.13 mg/g. Although the chicken liver
stored for 9 days at room temperature could not have been mistaken as
fresh, and would not likely have been prepared and eaten by anyone, it
does illustrate a point about freshness. A previous evaluation of
chicken liver indicated that storage in the refrigerator for 5 days
increased the tyramine concentration from 0 to 0.051 mg/g. [8] The
current method adjusted the storage conditions only to create a
definitive test of freshness on tyramine in chicken liver.
Sausage
As for cheeses, the degree of aging and variety of cured meats
(e.g., salami, mortadella, pastrami) are tremendous and tyramine content
can range from low and safe amounts to dangerously high levels. [8,9,21]
Of most concern are the air-dried sausages, for example, salami. As
sausages dry, an increase in the liberation of free amino acids has been
observed to occur. [27] Because sausage can contain microorganisms with
decarboxylase activity, [28] tyrosine can be converted to tyramine
during the drying process. In this study, we tested a variety of
air-dried sausages, analyzing samples taken both from the core and outer
rim (next to the skin). In three of the four samples, the sample nearest
the skin contained 20 to 360% more tyramine, whereas in the fourth
sample the concentration in the center of the sausage was sevenfold
higher than the sample taken from the area next to the skin. Of the 10
sausages tested, 2 were observed to contain more than 6 mg of tyramine
per 30-g serving, and 2 others were observed to contain between 4 and 6
mg. Therefore, although there are no case reports associating air-dried
sausages with hypertensive episodes, we recommend that air-dried
sausages continue to be a dietary restriction for patients receiving
MAOIs because of the variability in tyramine content among sausages and
because of the likelihood that a serving will be greater than 30 g.
However, as was pointed out previously, this restriction does not
include fresh sliced-meat products, such as sliced cooked ham.
Sauerkraut
In this study, sauerkraut was observed to have a significant
tyramine content per serving, (0.031 mg/g). This amount is lower than
previously reported by Shulman and colleagues [8] (0.055 mg/g) but still
within the range (0.020-0.095 mg/g) reported by Lovenberg [25] and Da
Prada and associates. [9] All of these reports suggest a potentially
dangerous tyramine content per serving, yet there are no case reports
linking sauerkraut to hypertensive episodes. It is possible that the
tyramine in sauerkraut may not be completely bioavailable or that the
rate of absorption of tyramine from sauerkraut is slow, producing little
change in blood pressure. However, in view of the confirmed high
tyramine concentration per serving of sauerkraut, we recommend that it
be restricted in patients on a regimen of MAOIs.
Storage
Improperly stored or spoiled food can create an environment where
tyramine concentrations may increase. These foods must have either free
tyrosine or tyrosine liberated on storage, which is then converted to
tyramine by microorganisms with decarboxylase enzymes. [27] This was
shown to occur with the chicken livers stored at room temperature for 9
days and is the postulated mechanism for production of tyramine in
air-dried sausages and tap beers. [11] However, for a number of other
foods (raspberries, mozzarella cheese, and bananas), improper or
prolonged storage did not increase the tyramine content to unsafe
levels. In these later cases, although conditions of growth were
present, it is likely that either tyrosine was not liberated, was
liberated in only small quantities, or decarboxylation activity was
lacking.
Chocolate
Our analysis of a single chocolate bar (Toblerone, Kraft General
Foods Canada Inc., Don Mills, Ontario, Canada; 35-g bar) failed to
demonstrate measurable quantities of either tyramine or
phenylethylamine, yet we did observe significant quantities of
theobromine (2.78 mg/g) and caffeine (1.07 mg/g). The choice of a
Toblerone chocolate bar arose from a case in which a young woman
maintained on tranylcypromine (Parnate, SmithKline Beecham
Pharmaceuticals, Oakville, Ontario, Canada) reported symptoms of
dizziness, light-headedness, blurred vision, and headache 45 min after
ingesting an unspecified amount of a Toblerone chocolate bar. The
patient arrived at a hospital emergency department and was found to have
normal blood pressure and heart rate, although she demonstrated slurred
speech and pallor. We believe that many case reports, with only
subjective findings that are not validated by objective measures, have
led to the restriction of many foods. Headaches, which can occur for a
variety of reasons, can also occur with chocolate ingestion in patients
who are not taking MAOIs. In these cases, the cause does not appear to
be related to either tyramine or phenylethylamine. We would suggest that
this reaction may have been due to the stimulant effects of the
methylxanthines (theobromine and caffeine).
Soy
Soy sauce and other soy bean preparations have been found to contain
tyramine in significant concentrations, [9,10,29] whereas others have
reported low concentrations. [8,13] From an analysis of Far Eastern
cuisine, Da Prada and Zurcher [10] reported tyramine concentrations of
293 mg/liter and 878 mg/liter in two samples of soy sauce. Similarly,
high concentrations (941 mg/liter) of tyramine were observed in the
single soy product tested in this study. As with some other foods, the
variation in tyramine content reported in various studies and between
different soy sauce products creates a potential hazard. We recommend
that soy sauce be avoided by patients taking MAOIs but acknowledge that
patients may be able to ingest some brands without serious
consequences...."
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19 Apr 2007 10:07:11 PM |
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"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9917E51166767mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4...
slunky wrote...
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid
is that?
I just realized where you're talking about I think. I
say, eat the cheese up. Soon enough you'll be on
Parnate, and cheese won't be an option.
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his birthday
dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I can eat on
Parnate.
Walker, Scott E. MScPhm. Shulman, Kenneth I. MD, SM,
FRCP(C).
Tailor, Sandra A.N. PharmD. Gardner, David BScPhm. Tyramine
Content of Previously Restricted Foods in Monoamine Oxidase
Inhibitor Diets. Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology.
16(5):383-388, October 1996"
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he seems
to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and ate Chicken
Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180. I'm lucky I
didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese like mozzarella,
but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I have to make sure
that pizza contains nothing but plain mozzarella cheese before
I eat it.
-lisa
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
20 Apr 2007 04:36:09 PM |
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In message <Xns9917EB2632A05mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in mass.
<mccats@rcn.com> writes
% wrote...
"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9917E51166767mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4...
slunky wrote...
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How stupid
is that?
I just realized where you're talking about I think. I
say, eat the cheese up. Soon enough you'll be on
Parnate, and cheese won't be an option.
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his birthday
dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I can eat on
Parnate.
Walker, Scott E. MScPhm. Shulman, Kenneth I. MD, SM,
FRCP(C).
Tailor, Sandra A.N. PharmD. Gardner, David BScPhm. Tyramine
Content of Previously Restricted Foods in Monoamine Oxidase
Inhibitor Diets. Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology.
16(5):383-388, October 1996"
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he seems
to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and ate Chicken
Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180. I'm lucky I
didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese like mozzarella,
but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I have to make sure
that pizza contains nothing but plain mozzarella cheese before
I eat it.
Lots more pizza is advertised as being just mozzarella these days than
was when I started on tranylcypromine. Then I assumed I couldn't eat
pizza unless I made it. People seem to be more food conscious than they
were.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "lisa in mass." |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
20 Apr 2007 05:02:32 PM |
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Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917EB2632A05mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes
% wrote...
"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9917E51166767mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4...
slunky wrote...
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How
stupid is that?
I just realized where you're talking about I think. I
say, eat the cheese up. Soon enough you'll be on
Parnate, and cheese won't be an option.
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his
birthday dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I
can eat on Parnate.
Walker, Scott E. MScPhm. Shulman, Kenneth I. MD, SM,
FRCP(C).
Tailor, Sandra A.N. PharmD. Gardner, David BScPhm.
Tyramine Content of Previously Restricted Foods in
Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor Diets. Journal of Clinical
Psychopharmacology. 16(5):383-388, October 1996"
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he
seems to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and
ate Chicken Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180.
I'm lucky I didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese
like mozzarella, but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I
have to make sure that pizza contains nothing but plain
mozzarella cheese before I eat it.
Lots more pizza is advertised as being just mozzarella
these days than was when I started on tranylcypromine. Then
I assumed I couldn't eat pizza unless I made it. People
seem to be more food conscious than they were.
I always ask. At a place where we used to eat, they used a
four cheese blend, and several places have told me they use
cheddar in their mix.
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| User: "Alan Harding" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
20 Apr 2007 05:21:54 PM |
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In message <Xns9918B783DF34Fmccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>, lisa in mass.
<mccats@rcn.com> writes
Alan Harding wrote...
In message <Xns9917EB2632A05mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4>,
lisa in mass. <mccats@rcn.com> writes
% wrote...
"lisa in mass." <mccats@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9917E51166767mccatsjavanetcom@130.133.1.4...
slunky wrote...
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
because I want to stay home and eat cheese. How
stupid is that?
I just realized where you're talking about I think. I
say, eat the cheese up. Soon enough you'll be on
Parnate, and cheese won't be an option.
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his
birthday dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I
can eat on Parnate.
Walker, Scott E. MScPhm. Shulman, Kenneth I. MD, SM,
FRCP(C).
Tailor, Sandra A.N. PharmD. Gardner, David BScPhm.
Tyramine Content of Previously Restricted Foods in
Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor Diets. Journal of Clinical
Psychopharmacology. 16(5):383-388, October 1996"
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he
seems to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and
ate Chicken Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180.
I'm lucky I didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese
like mozzarella, but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I
have to make sure that pizza contains nothing but plain
mozzarella cheese before I eat it.
Lots more pizza is advertised as being just mozzarella
these days than was when I started on tranylcypromine. Then
I assumed I couldn't eat pizza unless I made it. People
seem to be more food conscious than they were.
I always ask. At a place where we used to eat, they used a
four cheese blend, and several places have told me they use
cheddar in their mix.
Three or four years ago, they all did. Now it's all mozzarella only at
the same places.
--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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| User: "slunky" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
19 Apr 2007 10:08:56 PM |
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_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he seems
to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and ate Chicken
Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180. I'm lucky I
didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese like mozzarella,
but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I have to make sure
that pizza contains nothing but plain mozzarella cheese before
I eat it.
When I took 450mg Effexor and drank four or more red bulls a day,
210/180 was normal for me.
--
-slunky
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
20 Apr 2007 01:35:30 AM |
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On 4/19/07 9:08 PM, slunky was all like:
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he seems
to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and ate Chicken
Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180. I'm lucky I
didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese like mozzarella,
but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I have to make sure
that pizza contains nothing but plain mozzarella cheese before
I eat it.
When I took 450mg Effexor and drank four or more red bulls a day,
210/180 was normal for me.
I like scaring my wife and dipping down to around 90/60 sometimes.
I've seen the stereotype of sleeping with a nurse. The reality is that
sometimes you wake up to find that you're getting your blood pressure
checked or there's a cold stethoscope on your back because you were
making a wheezing noise while sleeping. The combination of working the
night shift means that she's way too alert and night sometimes and seems
to "work from home", but there's only one patient on the ward then.
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| User: "Bacon" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
20 Apr 2007 01:48:07 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:35:30 -0600, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/19/07 9:08 PM, slunky was all like:
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he seems
to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and ate Chicken
Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180. I'm lucky I
didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese like mozzarella,
but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I have to make sure
that pizza contains nothing but plain mozzarella cheese before
I eat it.
When I took 450mg Effexor and drank four or more red bulls a day,
210/180 was normal for me.
I like scaring my wife and dipping down to around 90/60 sometimes.
I've seen the stereotype of sleeping with a nurse. The reality is that
sometimes you wake up to find that you're getting your blood pressure
checked or there's a cold stethoscope on your back because you were
making a wheezing noise while sleeping. The combination of working the
night shift means that she's way too alert and night sometimes and seems
to "work from home", but there's only one patient on the ward then.
that would be fun to wake up to, did she wear the nurses outfit...
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| User: "Franz Bestuchev" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
20 Apr 2007 01:53:49 PM |
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On 4/20/2007 12:48 AM, Bacon was all like:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:35:30 -0600, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/19/07 9:08 PM, slunky was all like:
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
I have a copy of this paper someplace. It's the best I've
seen. Thanks for posting this. Alan's lucky in that he seems
to have a high tolerance for tyamine. I forgot and ate Chicken
Marsala and had a blood pressure of 210/180. I'm lucky I
didn't have a stroke. I do eat fresh cheese like mozzarella,
but I'm careful to avoid aged cheeses. I have to make sure
that pizza contains nothing but plain mozzarella cheese before
I eat it.
When I took 450mg Effexor and drank four or more red bulls a day,
210/180 was normal for me.
I like scaring my wife and dipping down to around 90/60 sometimes.
I've seen the stereotype of sleeping with a nurse. The reality is that
sometimes you wake up to find that you're getting your blood pressure
checked or there's a cold stethoscope on your back because you were
making a wheezing noise while sleeping. The combination of working the
night shift means that she's way too alert and night sometimes and seems
to "work from home", but there's only one patient on the ward then.
that would be fun to wake up to, did she wear the nurses outfit...
Yea, it's so sexy.
http://www.allheart.com/nursingscrubs.html
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| User: "slunky" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
19 Apr 2007 10:00:56 PM |
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_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his birthday
dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I can eat on
Parnate.
That's too bad. I took my parents out to dinner two days after my dad
found out he had diabetes. They didn't have anything he could eat. He
had to have a salad.
--
-slunky
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| User: "%" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to go |
19 Apr 2007 10:04:33 PM |
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"slunky" <slunky@globalzero.org> wrote in message
news:slrnf2gb2h.12g.slunky@evo.zero...
_/ lisa in mass. wrote \_
I know. I also want to go out with my son for his birthday
dinner. There's almost nothing on their menu I can eat on
Parnate.
That's too bad. I took my parents out to dinner two days after my dad
found out he had diabetes. They didn't have anything he could eat. He
had to have a salad.
--
-slunky
no meat , no fish , no eggs
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